Coa764 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 328 posts, RR: 4 Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1402 times:
These new procedures are should be in effect 22/MAR/04
1) No more of the "first come/first serve" theory. This will allow controllers to move aircraft around i.e. moving the faster aircraft ahead of the slower ones
2) No more gaming the system for general aviation aircraft. Meaning that when a city is in a ground delay program the GA folks cannot file to a secondary airport then, at the last minute, divert to the city under the program (thus by passing the delay). Now, if no emergency is declared, the flights will be held between 45-90 minutes or not be given the permission to divert. Also the VFR/IFR trick has been addressed with the changes. If a flight attempts to take off VFR (to an airport that is in a program) the crew will not be given their IFR clearance until over 300 miles from the departure airport.
3) Airports that are taking departure delays that are over 90 minutes, the users can request, via the ATC Command Center, that the flush the airport.
This doesn't fix all the issues but is should help out the commercial folks in the coming summer months.
Please oh please Mr Moderator Nazi, dont delete my thread.
CFIcraigAPA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 223 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1367 times:
Jhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6193 posts, RR: 15 Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1298 times:
Also the VFR/IFR trick has been addressed with the changes. If a flight attempts to take off VFR (to an airport that is in a program) the crew will not be given their IFR clearance until over 300 miles from the departure airport.
I see some potential safety issues here.....Anyone else think so???
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Coa764 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 328 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1266 times:
No safety issue if your playing by the rules. Currently the GA community has been able to get around the delays that the commercial airlines have been taking for years by dong this. Fractional/biz jets have been luring the lucrative business traveler by advertising that they do not take the delays that the scheduled airlines do and thus far have had an unfair advantage. Currently when a Ground Delay Program(GDP) is put into place there is no way to regulate late filers, unscheduled and VFR/IFR flights. TO give you an example of were this really hurts the scheduled airlines is in south Florida. FLL, on the occasional Saturday, will have a GDP. So the scheduled airlines that are running their normal flights are getting tagged with one to two hour delays while the GA folks (the reason for the increased demand that drive the airport into a program) fly without delay. This new rule just puts restrictions on the GA folks so if you cannot maintain VFR for 300 miles then you cannot go.
Please oh please Mr Moderator Nazi, dont delete my thread.
Jhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6193 posts, RR: 15 Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1258 times:
well, there have been times when I have needed (perhaps foolishly) an IFR clearance (and I need it now!, not 300 miles from where I took off.) Unforecast weather can sometimes lead a GA pilot to seek an IFR clearance when he wouldn't have otherwise done do; for safety reasons, not to skirt around the system. I guess the only way around this now is to declare an emergency and get the clearance that way, if you really need it...
Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
Coa764 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 328 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1254 times:
The rule will only applies to flights that are going to an airport that has a Ground Delay Program in effect. So if, for example, you are going DAY-EWR when you want your clearance you have to wait or go to DAY-TEB. Again this is meant to control the biz jets and such so that they will have to be under the same restrictions as everyone else.
CFIcraigAPA..
Saw a memo on it, came down from some higher ups that attended a three day conference with the FAA and the users to address this issue.
Please oh please Mr Moderator Nazi, dont delete my thread.
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