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No More NOTAMs In North America  
User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

(Reuters) By a joint decision between FAA and CAA, NOTAM will cease to exist in North America. Those NOtices To AirMen were frowned upon by female pilots' associations.
More politically correct NOTAP (NOtices To AirPeople) will take over.
JAA have yet to comment about this annoucement.


What do you think of it ?
Personnally, I'd say stop the PC cr*p, NOTAMs have been known and used by pilots for decades, why change something that worked perfectly fine ?

707

31 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1165 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3287 times:

please tell me this is an april fools joke...

we are all huMAN

airmen... seamen... repairmen.... flagmen.... is the air force going to change thier rank to airperson and the navy to seaperson...


User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

airmen... seamen... repairmen.... flagmen.... is the air force going to change thier rank to airperson and the navy to seaperson...

Exactly my point ! As a co-worker pointd out earlier today, while they're at it, they could as well go to NOTALF (NOtice To Airborne Life Forms) !

707, hopping the JAA will not go for that...


User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

In fact, this has already happened here in Ireland, following a complaint filed by a feminist group; roadsigns stating "Men At Work" were replaced by "Persons AT Work".
Where is the world going to  Wow! !

UTA



Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

One of the main stereotypes women have to deal with in life is that they can be unneccesarily petty, controlling and nasty. When a woman "makes a big deal" about something, she is less likely to be listened to than a man. This is because it is commonly believed that women are more likely to make a big deal about things that really don't matter than a man is.

The behavior of feminist groups do NOTHING to counter this. It is as though they are deliberatly trying to make themselves (and unfortunatly, innocent women) look like a stereotype. If feminists want to advance sexism in the western world, I can think of nothing better they can do then to try to bend every little petty thought and word in the language to their spoiled-child like will. That is exactly what the true cheuvanists think all women who have opinions are like, and actually being like that will do nothing to fight them. It will merely give the (false) appearance of proving the bigots right.


User currently offlineBen From Switzerland, joined Aug 1999, 1391 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

I smell an Elbonian conspiracy.

User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Please tell me that this decision has something to do with today's date!!!

At some point I can already see the word "human" being changed to "huperson"...

Happy contrails,
Frank



Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

Please, Ben, don't throw Elbonia (tm) in it, we have already enough problems with Scott Addams regarding that issue...

707


User currently offlineBragi From Iceland, joined May 2001, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

Did you know, that according to JAA rules, if an aircraft is crewed by female pilots only, the term box office is used instead of cockpit?! Big grin


Muhammad Ali: "Superman don’t need no seat belt." Flight Attendant: "Superman don’t need no airplane, either."
User currently offlineBMAbound From Sweden, joined Nov 2003, 660 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3097 times:

LMAO!

That's hilarious!

In Sweden (entire Scandinavia?), male nurses (as Starlionblue mentioned in another thread) are referred to as "female nurses". It would be great to see the male nurses start whining about this! Politcians and the society as a whole would just wave them off and think they're being silly.

In this issue, the "we are all equal, but some are more equal than others" - term certainly applies.

johan



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User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3088 times:

"we are all huMAN"

Beat me to it!

The funny thing is, it comes from the "feMALE pilots association"!



Dave Mark - Intrinsic Algorithm - Reducing the world to mathematical equations!
User currently offlineIllini_152 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2959 times:

I had a long involved post regarding this, but then I searched news.google.com for "NOTAM" and came up with 3 hits, shown here
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&filter=0&q=notam

none of which mention this story. Further more, a search for NOTAP ( http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&filter=0&q=notap ) turns up only one hit, regarding the National Office for Technology Acquisition and Production.

Provide a link to verify this, or I'm calling BS.

--
Mike
(it WAS a good one though!)



Happy contrails - I support B747Skipper and Jetguy
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2857 times:

Cloudy, it's also known as being a b***h (stereotypically).

NOTAP was the first thing I thought of when I saw the title of this thread.

I only know of one female pilots' association, and it's the women something something.



April Fool's, guys. Or is "guys" not gender neutral, either?


User currently offlineIllini_152 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

April Fool's, guys. Or is "guys" not gender neutral, either?

MD-90, I believe the prefered gender-neutral inpersonal pronoun to refer to a group of people is "y'all" or if refering to a large group "all y'all"

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

And I can think of two women's aviation organizations, Women in Aviation (WIA) and the 99's. Neither one would be bitchy enough to try and change NOTAM. Most female pilots I've had the oppertunity to associate with have been like one of the guys; fun to hang around with and not uppity and pretensious.




Happy contrails - I support B747Skipper and Jetguy
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2709 times:

Whether this is nothing more than some April Fools tomfoolery, or is actually true, wouldn't Notice To Air Crews (NOTAC) be a more appropriate term to use as opposed to Notice To Air Persons?

User currently offlineRadarbeam From Canada, joined Mar 2002, 1310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2695 times:

By a joint decision between FAA and CAA

What's the CAA? The Canadian Automobile Association? In case you were referring to the Canadian agency that regulates aviation it's Transport Canada also known as TC.



User currently offlineFlightSimFreak From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Wasn't the CAA the precurser to the FAA? They came back from the dead to work with the FAA

User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

Sorry, you can't say perSON either - "SON" is a male offspring.

BITCH is an acronym for Boys I'm Taking Charge Here

I've long believed that some cynical and self-serving persons in the feminist movements as well as some politicians just love these silly little gender-related phraseology changes because they attract a lot of attention (something is being done for women) but they are a lot cheaper than actually paying them a wage equal to mens' wages. An illusion of fairness that is easier than a fair reality.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16977 posts, RR: 67
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

Amen to that, SlamClick.

In Sweden the "jämställdhetsminister" (equality minister. Yes I'm serious) stated last year that at least 25% of the board members of listed companies should be women. "Because they need a female perspective". Needless to say, this proposal was greeted with suspicion, especially by the female executive. Those women want to rise on merit, not quota.

Needless to say, the proposal (they're threatening to make it a law) has not been a success.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2522 times:

NOTAH- NOtice To Airheads:


Get a life (as in referring to those in subject of this topic)  Smile.


User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Radarbeam,
there is a world outside of North America...

/Fred



I thought I was doing good trying to avoid those airport hotels... and look at me now.
User currently offlineRadarbeam From Canada, joined Mar 2002, 1310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

FredT

Read the topic, No More NOTAMs In North America, not no more NOTAMs in Europe. Fact is that there are 3 administrations in NA for the matter of aviation.

1) The Federal Aviation Administration (US)
2) Transport Canada
3) Secretaría de Comunicaciones y Transportes (Mexico)



User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

Radarbeam,
my sincere apologies. What I took for lack of awareness was indeed a good catch. I'll try to be slower on the trigger next time!  Smile

Cheers,
Fred



I thought I was doing good trying to avoid those airport hotels... and look at me now.
User currently offlineRadarbeam From Canada, joined Mar 2002, 1310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

No worries Fred  Smile

Nick


User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

Call it what you want, we will still call it NOTAMs.


At worst, you screw up and die.
25 Post contains images Illini_152 : Call it what you want, we will still call it NOTAMs Just like it's still the "Airman's Information Manual" and you're still flying in Control Zones an
26 XFSUgimpLB41X : haha..well everyone still calls it SIDS instead of DP's... go figure.
27 Flyf15 : So wait, this isn't an April Fools joke?
28 TWAMD-80 : Oh palease! I hope this is all a joke. we are all huMAN I couldn't agree more. Political correctness is now just getting stupid if this is indeed true
29 Aloha717200 : It would be nice to know if this is an April Fools joke...
30 TWAMD-80 : Here's something I forgot to add onto my above post. I stand by what I said above, but I do believe in equality between males and females. TW
31 PPGMD : Just like it's still the "Airman's Information Manual" and you're still flying in Control Zones and Terminal Control Areas... Some of the older pilots
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