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User currently offlineSpeedbird092 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 169 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2130 times:

Hey all you aviation experts!

I've come across this photo and am left scratching my head. Could someone tell me how to execute such an extreme crosswind landing?


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Thanks in advance,
Speedbird092

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User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1966 times:

Crosswind Landing????
I call that a CFIT!
(Controlled Flight Into Terrain)


User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1951 times:

To execute such a crosswind landing one has to be completely oblivious that there is a rudder. Or that the rudder has failed, or it has just been completely blown off the aircraft.

Falling asleep might induce such a landing along with unconciousness.

Qauntas 747 flights are quite long so I'm putting my vote in for "asleep"

JET



User currently offlineMikeybien From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

To land like that, just crab into the wind and land.
Jetpilot, the pilots aren't being lazy. In a 747 the pilots cant slip wing low into the crosswind because they have engines hanging off halfway down the wing! Take a closer look at the picture and look at how close the engines are to the ground wings level.


User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

The DC8, which I have flown, is more restrictive of bank angle when in ground efect than the 747. The max bank allowed on a DC8 is 7 degrees. Anything more and you are in danger of scraping an engine.

The proper procedure for landing in a crosswind is to approach in a crab and kick in the rudder just before touchdown. You are limited in your bank but not prohibitted.

The rudder in the above picture is completely faired wit hthe stabilizer. It's a sloppy landing. It happens. But If I were the captain and I saw the first officer landing like this I would have been screaming "how about some rudder".

The landing is poor.

JET


User currently onlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4200 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

How do they do that?

Answer: Forget everything they were ever taught about landing in a crosswind. That is the absolute worst crosswind landing ive ever seen. You do not land an airplane crabbed..it can screw up the landing gear and toasts the tires- even if it has wide engines. My dad used to fly the 747 and he performed normal crosswind landings in that puppy... It looks like the pilot also maybe misaligned on final.



Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineUA752 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 142 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Bad landning....YES......but it does make for one hell of an interesting shot!

User currently offlineFBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

I think this guy screwed up the landing some way or another,but some planes are actually recommended to land with a crab in x-wind conditions.
Dornier told us that their DO-228 should be landed with a crab,and the x-wind landings actually turned out better that way!
Many jet fighters also land with a crab.



"Luck and superstition wins all the time"!
User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6605 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

Mr. Boeing's 747s can take a far worse battering than that on landing!!! No doubt you have seen HKGSpotter1's photos of the Air China landing at Kai Tak with a huge crab angle, or my sequence of the NCA landing, also at Kai Tak with a huge crab angle? Both times, little or no damage was done to the aircaft. People land like that all the time!!!

User currently offlineMikeybien From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

jetpilot, i stand corrected, i guess i've been talking to too many ex b-52 pilots.

User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

Yeah the B52 has those castering Bogey's. I hear they are good for parallel parking.

When a forum member stands corrected they must add the other person to their respected users list.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

JET


User currently offlineChopper From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

wish I could see the rest of that story

User currently offlineSpeedbird092 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1729 times:

Thanks for all the replies, but could someone just let me in on what crabbing an aircraft actually means?

Speedbird092


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1722 times:

Crabbing is where you put your nose into the wind to correct for wind drift, they do this so the wind does not blow them of course.
Iain


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