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Speedbird092 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 169 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1749 times:

Hey all you aviation experts!

I've come across this photo and am left scratching my head. Could someone tell me how to execute such an extreme crosswind landing?

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Photo © Frank Schaefer

Thanks in advance,
Speedbird092

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Sabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2697 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

Crosswind Landing????
I call that a CFIT!
(Controlled Flight Into Terrain)

JETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1570 times:

To execute such a crosswind landing one has to be completely oblivious that there is a rudder. Or that the rudder has failed, or it has just been completely blown off the aircraft.

Falling asleep might induce such a landing along with unconciousness.

Qauntas 747 flights are quite long so I'm putting my vote in for "asleep"

JET

Mikeybien From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

To land like that, just crab into the wind and land.
Jetpilot, the pilots aren't being lazy. In a 747 the pilots cant slip wing low into the crosswind because they have engines hanging off halfway down the wing! Take a closer look at the picture and look at how close the engines are to the ground wings level.

JETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1538 times:

The DC8, which I have flown, is more restrictive of bank angle when in ground efect than the 747. The max bank allowed on a DC8 is 7 degrees. Anything more and you are in danger of scraping an engine.

The proper procedure for landing in a crosswind is to approach in a crab and kick in the rudder just before touchdown. You are limited in your bank but not prohibitted.

The rudder in the above picture is completely faired wit hthe stabilizer. It's a sloppy landing. It happens. But If I were the captain and I saw the first officer landing like this I would have been screaming "how about some rudder".

The landing is poor.

JET

XFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3952 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

How do they do that?

Answer: Forget everything they were ever taught about landing in a crosswind. That is the absolute worst crosswind landing ive ever seen. You do not land an airplane crabbed..it can screw up the landing gear and toasts the tires- even if it has wide engines. My dad used to fly the 747 and he performed normal crosswind landings in that puppy... It looks like the pilot also maybe misaligned on final.

Chicks dig winglets.

UA752 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 142 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

Bad landning....YES......but it does make for one hell of an interesting shot!

FBU 4EVER! From Norway, joined Jan 2001, 998 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1473 times:

I think this guy screwed up the landing some way or another,but some planes are actually recommended to land with a crab in x-wind conditions.
Dornier told us that their DO-228 should be landed with a crab,and the x-wind landings actually turned out better that way!
Many jet fighters also land with a crab.

"Luck and superstition wins all the time"!

CX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6337 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1472 times:

Mr. Boeing's 747s can take a far worse battering than that on landing!!! No doubt you have seen HKGSpotter1's photos of the Air China landing at Kai Tak with a huge crab angle, or my sequence of the NCA landing, also at Kai Tak with a huge crab angle? Both times, little or no damage was done to the aircaft. People land like that all the time!!!

Mikeybien From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

jetpilot, i stand corrected, i guess i've been talking to too many ex b-52 pilots.

JETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

Yeah the B52 has those castering Bogey's. I hear they are good for parallel parking.

When a forum member stands corrected they must add the other person to their respected users list. Smile/happy/getting dizzy

JET

Chopper From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1400 times:

wish I could see the rest of that story

Speedbird092 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1348 times:

Thanks for all the replies, but could someone just let me in on what crabbing an aircraft actually means?

Speedbird092

Iainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

Crabbing is where you put your nose into the wind to correct for wind drift, they do this so the wind does not blow them of course.
Iain

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