Downingbarry From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 34 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3951 times:
A few questions re: commercial pilots
1) What provisions do airlines make for their pilots at destinations away from their home base? Are you expected to provide your own accommodation out of your own money, or is it handled for you? And transport to/from the airport to your accomodation? Does your airline look after you, or is it very much 'you're on your own!'
Cx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6364 posts, RR: 56 Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3838 times:
As crew for a major airlime, we get all the things one would expect...transport to and from the airport, accomodation in a hotel and allowances. The standard of hotel has dropped over the years from a 5 star to around 3 star. There are also agreements in place with the hotels to give us discounts on laundry, internet, food etc.
B747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3608 times:
Dear Downingbarry -
All airlines do differently.
For my airline, we are provided hotel room with breakfast included, transport from and to airport, and some money for expenses or incidentals. For short layovers, less than 24 hours, we are normally located at hotels nearest to the airport, for longer layovers, we are located in the city. Further, hotels selected must be able to provide meals (or room service) day and night.
The amount of money received depends on the length of the stay (number of meals we will have) and the currency received. In Madrid, we receive a lot since it is rather expensive, money in Euros. In Miami, about half that amount, and in US Dollars.
Flykal From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 441 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3592 times:
All of what has been said above applies: decent hotel, transportation to/from airport, meals and allowances.
Most of our "leisure" destinations also keep 3 sets of golf clubs for the crew to use at the closest golf course on their day off during layover (such as at SYD, BNE, GUM, HNL, IAD, LAX, AKL, CHC, etc etc).
Some airport station managers have also been kind enough to organize special deals and discounts with various tourist spots. Of course, all depends on how much time you have.
One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time
B747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3562 times:
Dear KYIP -
What we often do, we get a car and cockpit crew (we are 3) share the cost.
Seen the cabin crews do that too. Rent a VW bus, and pile 12 of them in it.
They give us special rates, airline discounts.
Station managers got deals with rent-a-car companies for us.
On very long layovers, company would pay for one.
I rather take taxis most places we go, besides, no parking problems.
Sabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2698 posts, RR: 48 Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3532 times:
-) a crew transport to/from the hotel.
-) a hotel of good category as per European standard that offers all facilities to make the stay abroad as comfortable as a stay at home. (TV, internet, minibar, bad, etc...) This means a 4 (when local standards are poor, occasionally a 5) star hotel.
-) an individual airconditioned room, with soundproof doors to guarantee a good rest.
-) the hotel must have a restaurant which can cater after our arrival time, or must have 24hr room service.
-) often a free welcome drink.
-) a full buffet breakfast in the restaurant or in case the pick-up time is too early for the restaurant to be open, a special early bird breakfast.
-) for a short lay-over: an airport hotel; for a long lay-over: a hotel near the centre.
-) crew reduction on laundy services, room service, mini bar, pay TV and other facilities should they have to be paid for.
-) 1 relative may stay at the room at no extra charge.
-) an allowance to cover all additional costs like: diner, excursion, etc....
That's about it...
Sounds like we are spoiled, but when you spend 10 days a month on hotel, you better have all these facilities...
B747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3450 times:
Dear ANA777Master -
Most pilots are married, of which many have a happy family and a nice wife...
I adore hookers... and when they start hitting on me, I pull a $5 or 5 Euro bill from my wallet and ask them if it is enough... and look at their face...
Hookers - give me a break - no more than F/As... most of these F/A ladies are friends (real friends) and it is about time that people outside of the airline industry realise that we, pilots, are, by a large majority, decent honest people, and that we are not sexual freaks... I have a pretty, attractive and intelligent wife, mother of our kids. I do not want to mess our marriage. It is too valuable to both of us.
Out of 100 pilots that I know well, maybe 2 fit in your classification. Or shall we talk about doctors and nurses, lawyers and their legal assistants, teachers and students... facts of life ARE quite different. Maybe in YOUR trade, but not in ours. For the rest, address yourself to the National Enquirer. It does not apply to us.
N77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 22 hours ago) and read 2854 times:
Much of these provisions are guaranteed per the collective bargaining agreement between our company and the pilot labor group.
For example, we provide "suitable" accommodations during layovers. Extended layovers are at a hotel near the center of the metropolitan area. There is a hotel committee which regularly audits hotels in the areas of comfort, sanitation, safety of the area, etc. Transportation to and from the airport is provided. A per-diem is also granted.
Ba299 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 173 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 2821 times:
- transport from/to the airport
- good quality hotel (4-5 stars) with breakfast included. If the departure are before 07.00 am local time normally you have the breakfast onboard
- an amount of money for the food and other little expanses.
Cx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6364 posts, RR: 56 Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2453 times:
With us, although layover days are not NORMALLY treated as days off, when things get really busy, the one day off in 7 that we legally require can be given to us as a layover day, and although I have not had this, some of our training captains have (They always have the busiest rosters).
Av8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2191 times:
I have heard that some International carriers provide their crews with cash upon arriving at their layover for expenses. That must be nice! I get a paid hotel room and a shuttle to and from the airport. Only two hotels that I stay at provide any free food. Expenses are out of pocket but we are paid per diem of $1.45/hr for every hour we are away from base on layovers. Hopefully, it will cover ones expenses!