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Why We Pilots Should Follow Noise Abatement Procs  
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4100 times:

Well guys, at my local airport, there is a gentleman by the name of Tom Zweck. He owns a farm just to the north of the runway and severely hates airplanes...and lets say, he complains often.

Check out the following for a nice laugh  Big thumbs up

http://www.wrongmont.com/noise.html

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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

Nice laugh? Ive been laughing for a solid 10 minutes over this...its way more than that!

Greg



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User currently offlineKAUSpilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1959 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

6. 2/17. Tom Zweck, 776-1171 called at 3:45 p.m. to complain about the skydivers opening their chutes over his farm making popping noises, the skydiving plane flying north over his farm and litter on his property from the skydivers. Tom also called Barb Huner twice and Phil DelVecchio once about the same.


Ahhaaahahahaha......


User currently offlineIllini_152 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

While it was kind of amusing; it also struck close to home. Many airports have fallen into the trap of bending over backwards to cater to the whims of a few people.

Though THIS one really takes the cake (from avweb http://www.avweb.com/newswire/10_15a/briefs/187024-1.html )
Race Fan Shoots Noisey Cropduster

A NASCAR fan who apparently took exception to a crop-duster's drowning out the televised coverage of a race will spend six months in jail for trying to shoot down the offending aircraft. Anthony Gene Moore, 36, of Lenoir County, N.C., was convicted of a single count of firing into an occupied vehicle after he hit Don Wayne Slaughter's Air Tractor with at least three shots from a .270 rifle. Two shots went through the airplane's left wing and another hit the battery, causing it to explode. Slaughter, 53, heard the shots before he saw a man on the ground firing a rifle at him. He headed for a nearby airport and called authorities. Police found Moore at his home a short time later where he admitted to firing on the plane "because it was annoying him" while he was watching the race. Police seized a Browning .270 caliber rifle and several spent shell casings. They say they think Moore had been drinking


--
Mike



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3924 times:

I think that Tom Zwick needs to get Laid.


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User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1571 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

In airports which have noise abatement procedures ,the follow of procedures are controlled by noise monitor points.This is done by putting noise recorder to certain points and recording the dB level of overflying aircraft.If an aircraft passes the noise limit it is reported to civil aviation authorities and to its company headquarters.

There is a penalty to be paid incase of noise busting and this makes your Flight operations menager very upset and unhappy which evantually end up ruining your day also.

Like every other procedure we pilots have to follow all rules strictly as it dictates, which will prevent horrific meeting with chief pilot or FOM,and makes us live longer too...





Widen your world
User currently offlineLiamksa From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

At an AD near my base circuit training is prohibited after about 2100 local for noise reasons. Some instructors choose to give a "full stop" call turning base, do a touch-and-go and then give the "going around" call (ie: do circuits).

Well on the 3rd 'go-around' Farmer Joe under the take-off path has usually had about enough and pulls out is 10,000 (?) watt spotlight and blinds everyone in the cockpit and toally destroys any night vision. The offending aircraft usually gets the point and decides to practice his circuits elsewhere.

I've found that being able to see is quite important when flying so I guees this goes on the list of "Why We Pilots Should Follow Noise Abatement Procs"  Big grin


User currently offlineScootertrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 569 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Well one must admire Mr. Zwek's persistence, if not his mental stability. I really must make a trip to Longmont, CO. I think I will do it in a nice noisy Cessna T210... They have an especially annoying high pitched buzz to them.

Scooter  Smokin cool


User currently offlineRyan h From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

Just to annoy Mr Zwek even more let the air force perform supersonic dives over his house.


South Australian Spotter
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3818 times:

I think that Mr. Zweck is in need of some professional help.

User currently offlineBhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 969 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

A person SHOT AT AN AIRPLANE??!!!!..I would've had his ass in jail, and charged with attempted murder!! idiot!!

Bob



Carpe Pices
User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3731 times:

92. 6/9. Tom Zweck called to say he hasn’t heard an airplane all day and that it has been eerily quiet today. He wanted to know why nobody was flying today. He said the last time the airport was this quiet was September 12th.


This guy officially has too much time on his hands. How "retired" is he?


User currently offlineScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3724 times:

He said the “jackass” flew over his house three times and that the pilot disrespects my authority.

Reminds me of Eric Cartman..."You will respect my authoritay!"



But that was when I ruled the world
User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Oddly enough Longmont is only around 80-100 miles from Park County where South Park takes place SH...perhaps Trey and Matt stole the Cartman line from our esteemed Mr. Zwick?

Greg



Chief A.net college football stadium self-pic guru
User currently offlineBragi From Iceland, joined May 2001, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3705 times:

Maybe someone should make a low-pass over his house, and drop ear plugs so the poor guy could get some sleep during daytime.... Big grin




Muhammad Ali: "Superman don’t need no seat belt." Flight Attendant: "Superman don’t need no airplane, either."
User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3690 times:

In the county where I live is a small airport (general aviation) that can and does accomodate some jet traffic. The airport has been around since the 1940's. Growth in my city has moved southward and is now close to the airport. The county has a "no single family residential development" rule that stipulates no homes can be built within 1 mile of the airport. But a developer bought about 80 acres of land less than one mile from the airport that he wanted to build a subdivision. It's on the downwind leg. The city approved the deal, but the county has refused (so far) the application. That's what bugs me...they'll build $300,000 homes less than a mile from an airport that has been there for 60 YEARS, and end the end, the new homeowners will have more of a say in the future of the airport than anybody else. If for whatever reason the county changes it's mind and ALLOWS this development to start, I think I'll spend my weekends with a sign on the corner that says "Airport 3/4 mile" so that potential homebuyers can't say they didn't know (as if airplanes flying over every couple of minutes wasn't enough of a clue).

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

Goingboeing...thats exactly what happened at my local airport back in PA...the airport was founded in the 1920's, houses and schools were put just slightly offset on both sides of the final approach path in the 70's...and the neighbors cursed up a storm when they expanded the runway to be jet-capable...

Greg



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4200 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

Goal for the summer- touch and goes in the duchess this summer at 2V2....keep the props at a nice high RPM.  Smile


Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineIllini_152 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

A person SHOT AT AN AIRPLANE??!!!!..I would've had his ass in jail, and charged with attempted murder!! idiot!!

What surprised me was that, while he was drunk, he was STILL able to hit the plane with a rifle.


Oh- and for Mr. Zwick, howabouta couple of real loud airplanes doing some early morning training. Like, I dunno, maybe a one of the last flying Connies? Or how long would it take to get a B-36 back in the air? Make a few low approaches. When the windows break from the vibrations, maybe then he'll quiet down (or lose all hearing...)





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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

Illini_152,

We have a few AT-6 Texans based here in Longmont. He has a total and complete fit when they decide to go up...

His lastest idea is that he wants tethered balloons put up by the city surrounding his property that go up to pattern altitude. This would then assure that the people on downwind could not "buzz" his house.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

Heh... I lived in Longmont for a few months. Never heard a thing.

Crazy.

N


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3213 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3553 times:

God that was the funniest thing i've red in ages!

I think somebody should call up fedex and get them to do touch and goes over his house.... or better yet the USAF..he can't complain about them. Get them to send an Unhushed 707 for a flyby!

seriously, its guys like this that justify governments spending money on pyscologists. It would be cheaper in the long run than attending the the trouble he causes.


User currently offlineIllini_152 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1000 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

His lastest idea is that he wants tethered balloons put up by the city surrounding his property that go up to pattern altitude. This would then assure that the people on downwind could not "buzz" his house.

Hmmm, I wonder how the noise of an airplane crashing into his backyard because it's wing was sheered off by one of these teathered balloons compares to the occasional takeoff?

The banner tow place I worked at over the past few summers had to jump through all kinds of legal hoops to get their airfield approved. Eventually taking it all the way to the State Supreme Court. The end result was, we were very carful about noise complaints, and went way out of our way to be good neighbors. To the tune of making VERY weird traffic patterns to avoid nosie sensative areas nearby-

Downwind was flown at 300' just 600' from the runway. Abeam the touchdown point power was brought to idle and a tight descending 180 degree turn was entered. The problem was, you couldn't see the runway because the trees on either side were 100' tall; we'd be in a descending turn "diving" through a treeline and rolling out on final at around 20'-30' AGL. And did I mention our runway was only 1500' long?

After two seasons of that, I have to remind myself at "real" airports the "correct" traffic pattern...

Mike



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User currently offlineBMAbound From Sweden, joined Nov 2003, 660 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

Illini 152, that sounds like a kick ass field, remember, if you fly there, I bet nothing will scare you later on...  Big thumbs up

BMA suffers from these problems. It has been there since the 30's and suddenly, those whiners move to a house nearby and then figure out there's an airport nearby. If I got to decide, I'd make them stay there and then let the AVRO RJ 100's cancel IFR and fly a downwind leg at about 25 ft above...

johan



Altitude is Insurance - Get Insured
User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3432 times:

Is this guy for real???

I am only on number 55 so far but I think we should;

1 - Call in a long line of B52's to do some low flights over his farm
2 - Call in the Thunderbirds and other display teams
3 - Use his farm for target practice
4 - Expand the airport and send in 747's and 737-200's
5 - Build a new runway which cuts across his farm (or aims at his house)
6 - Build some nice shiny and bright approach lights
7 - Build some new larger Apron lights
8 - Perhaps get a tannoy shouting "Welcome to Longmont Airport" near his house
9 - Film a new movie in which an aircraft 'crashes' in his field (The look on his face when he opens his curtains and sees a plane wreck there)
10 - Offer him a skydiving trip

I'll pop back at 100

Phil
FlyingColours



Lifes a train racing towards you, now you can either run away or grab a chair & a beer and watch it come - Phil
25 FlightSimFreak : It gives his phone number... everyone should call him saying that they are neighbors wiht the people he complains to and that the phone calls are RUIN
26 FlyingColours : Maybe we should have an A.Nutters meet at the airport, we could then toddle over to his house and show him our DVD's and Videos of aircraft and maybe
27 Post contains images Illini_152 : BMAbound, It was more intimidating when you first started than anything else. Once you got into the habit of controlling your descent rate with back p
28 USAFHummer : We found out via Google he graduated high school in 1965 so that puts him around 57 or so...also, his family has had that farm since way before the ai
29 Cancidas : sadly, people like that really do have an effect on the beurocrats. one question, if the airport bothers his that much why doesn't he just move? more
30 Drgreen757 : I'm going to pass out "I love jet noise" stickers in the neighborhood around my airport.
31 USAFHummer : Cancidas, read my reply 29, that aint the case here, and just browsing around on the website, this guy is unbelievable in terms of what influence he h
32 L-188 : ....shot buckshot into the side of airport hangars. Why didn't the property owner sue the hell out of him for that. And why wasn't he charged with pro
33 Post contains images Starlionblue : I dearly hope the airport is expanded for jet traffic. Please
34 USAFHummer : Apparently it gets a Lear every few weeks Starlion, not to mention that a King Air jump plane is based there...and Im sure Mr. Zweck curses up a storm
35 MD11Engineer : Maybe the runway is long enough to support freight service with an IL-76. Or get the Marines there with their Harriers (the noisiest aircraft I´ve ev
36 Post contains images Baw2198 : Have the USAF setup camp, install a base for B1b's, and have them in a constant state of practice high alert takeoff's (like the SAC movies with the B
37 Aloha717200 : I read the whole thing over through last night and this morning. What an idiot...and after having read the replies about him to this thread, I think h
38 Downingbarry : As a student lawyer, it's actually quite an interesting area of law to learn about (in the UK). I won't bore you with the the nitty gritty, but here i
39 Illini_152 : Downingbarry- Interesting view from across the pond, but here in the states, airspace is a public commodity. Property owners have no control over the
40 Post contains links BA777 : Hmm this Tom Zweck guy....would this be him??? http://www.longmonttrojans.com/gradsz/tom_zweck.htm Heheh Henry
41 SSTjumbo : Illini_152, I believe you could theoretically say that in a sparsely populated area, residents own the airspace up to 500' around themselves and their
42 Videns : Interesting last name he's got. "Zweck" means Purpose in German...
43 Aloha717200 : Whoa, thanks for the picture. He looks kinda dorky if you ask me.
44 Post contains links USAFHummer : ttp://www.frontrangeliving.com/cooking/Zweckfarm.htm Here's his wife, and his precious veggie stand...wonder what his wife thinks of his shenanigans..
45 Post contains images Pilotpip : Maybe, just maybe, if you had a large flight of aircraft fly in formation over his house at the minimum safe altitude at full power, while driving dum
46 Aloha717200 : Greg, that last link is broken.
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