Anxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5182 times:
Airbus has received approval from European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) for 180-minute extended range twin engine operations (ETOPS) with its A319, A320 and A321 single aisle aircraft including corporate jet versions.
Airbus is also in the process of obtaining approval for the lastest family member
According to Airbus, the A320 family has now accumulated over 31 million flight hours since entry into service and more than 10 years worth of 120-minute ETOPS operations worldwide.
This is a good notice for Airbus and CFM/IAE.
Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4741 posts, RR: 42 Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4885 times:
I thought that the etops certification comes related to the airlines maintenance practices along with the aircraft types. The rules on what mechanics do what, and when etc with etops go beyond just clearing Airbus for etops 180
Anxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4799 times:
...and it's a very intelligent slogan
Prebennorholm, yes, EASA gave approval for CFM56 and V2500
This is a very good notice (good news are given in sales ) and it indicates that Airbus and CFM/IAE go for the right way.
Anxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4707 times:
No,Ts-ior, with the exception (I think) A319CJ.
USAFHummer... The 180' ETOPS is ideal for flights over water (or over a desolate place/desert)in short-medium routes.Example, for flights within some areas of Pacific Ocean, or like Concordboy say, for US-West Cost to Hawaii
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4698 times:
Anxebla, I don't think that there are any short to medium routes that would require ETOPS 180... wouldn't logic dictate that a flight requiring ETOPS 180 (or 3 hours) would have to be at least 6 hours long? With anything shorter, you'd always be less than 180 minutes away from either your departure or arrival airport... or am I missing something?
Anxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4685 times:
You are right, Leskova.But remember some A320 family "members" can fly for more than 6 hours and sometimes the shortest way between two points is over water or over desert (for example, the Sahara's air ways)Anyway, 180' ETOPS is a show of trust in Airbus and CFM/IAE than an useful issue. In many cases ETOPS 120' is enough.
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4581 times:
ConcordeBoy, I hadn't missed reply #6 - I just thought that US West Coast to Hawaii wasn't really a "medium" length route any more... but I guess it does still count as one of those.
What actually is the definition of "medium" in this sense? I always thought that it was something up to 5 hours (ok, true - that would include USWest/Hawaii - the eastbound flights are just under 5 hours if I recall correctly)?
I knew I shouldn't have added the words "to medium" to my reply...
Starlionblue From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 15904 posts, RR: 66 Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4373 times:
777ualsfo, yes they are longer. But the 180 minutes refer to the distance to a diversion airport. So the segment can be any length as long as you are always within 180 minutes of somewhere you can land. In your example, the plane would turn back before the half way point and keep going after it.
The West Coast<-> Hawaii case is of course a bit extreme since there is nothing in between. Normally there would be other places to divert to.
"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots." - from Citadel by John Ringo
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4322 times:
Anxebla, with "wide planes", do you mean "widebodies"? Then the answer is no - there are dozens of B757s flying between the west coast and Hawaii, and on some routes, I think, you'll even find B737NGs (I think Aloha flies with B737-700s).