A380900 From France, joined Dec 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 1 Posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6520 times:
It looks that the wings of airliners are all gray and never entirely painted like the fuselage. They are also always the same color. Why is it? Is it really always? Any pics of airliners with painted wings?
Kaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6457 times:
It is to reduce weight...
Do you know how much paint weighs... a TON! litteraly... And who is actually going to see it? no one on the approach cos they are below the wings and anyone on the aeroplane already knows about the airline they are flying on.
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CitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2614 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6368 times:
What do you mean nobody can see the painted rudder?
EVERYONE can see the rudder, except the 100 people onboard the aircraft. Based on your argument, the same goes for ANY painted surface such as the fuselage.
If nobody sees the painted rudders, then why do airlines spend money to put tail "logo lights" on the vertical tail?
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FlightSimFreak From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 720 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6306 times:
What are you talking about... The rudder is probably the most seen part of the aircraft, especially over fences or through a sea of jetways, other aircraft, and ground equipment. The rudder is practically a billboard for the airline.
Wilco From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6289 times:
This has been discussed time and time again over in civil aviation.... general consensus was that the weight/labor costs was more than the marketing potential.
Livery is marketing
Of course we are talking about livery painting, not just any old paint. obviously all wings have sort of coating painted on, usually a solid bland color.
So ask this question.... why isn't the roof of trains, buses or trucks painted? Well they are painted with a basic coat but not with a corporate logo/livery....
As for passengers in the plane... their viewing angle is insufficient to take-in a wing livery.... HOWEVER a wingtip at 90 degrees is ideal.... no surprise that these wingtips are often the only part of the wing structure with livery.
QantasA332 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1500 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6269 times:
It would reduce the aerodynamic performance of wings maybe?
To put it bluntly, no. Even 'unpainted' wings have a finish (of sorts) applied, and this finish is almost completely -- if not completely -- identical to paint in terms of causing skin friction drag. Even between bare metal and paint, differences in drag would be quite tiny. Rather, as everyone else has said, there are so few painted wings simply because of their high weight penalty. For a surface that is, for the most part, not highly visible, paint is a waste...
Greasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3101 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6245 times:
We used to have painted wings at 7F.......But the skydrol leaking from actuators peeled the paint and looks terrible.......at least with bare wings you just wipe them off...I believe some of our 737's have painted wings still..........
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Lehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6229 times:
What are you guys going on about, NOBODY said the RUDDER is not seen!
I figure from a non-technical point of view, nobody 'sees' the wing. that is why so many layfolks think it is the engine that gets the plane off the ground because along the sideprofile, no wing is visible to the layeye. They see the wing, but they don't 'see' it, like with their brain, as if it was supposed to do something...
From an advertising spec, there is no point to paint the wing, 'less you a combat plane, and your top/side profile interchange daily.
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Reply 18, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6046 times:
Finishing any surface with a protective coating is a good idea just like the wings, most of which are painted.
This prevents the loss and damage of the aluminum cladding of the airframe parts by air erosion and cleaning.
The pure aluminum cladding on the aluminum alloy skin is very thin and can be rubbed off.
With respect to composite parts (graphite, carbon fibre, fibreglass/kevlar) a protective coating prevents exposure to sunlight that can degrade the materials and from ingress of moisture through scratches and gouges.
Think of how long the wood on your house would last without some protective coating.
Of course some parts need to remain unpainted such as leading edges and engine intakes. These parts are made of stainless steel or some other durable material or are sometimes plated with chrome or other protective coating.
Continental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5557 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5504 times:
I've noticed the regs. on wings as well, I think it's to offer different views if you can't see the reg. on the back, it's easier to see. It's not on just JAL planes, I know Swiss have some, and Air Tahiti Nui does as well, there are probably plenty of others...
Smcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5359 times:
I've noticed the regs. on wings as well
Most, if not all Mexican planes I've seen have had their regs' on the top and bottom of each wing. As well as on the tail. I was wondering if this was something that the Mexican CAA (Not sure of the exact name) requires of all the Mexican registered aircraft. Any other countries that we know of that do this?
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: Since Florian has since posted that he was talking about the horizontal stabilisers and not the fin and rudder... I'm no expert, but might I suggest t
: As posted Color scheme is mostly a matter of marketing. On a wing, the only people that get to what it would be the passenger: those who already paid