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Question About Transoceanic Routings  
User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4516 posts, RR: 15
Posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

Hi all,


Have a question about two specific air routings over the ocean from Europe to the USA and back..


In particular, the routing from ARN-EWR on SAS....I'm curious as to whether this flight takes a direct..."great circle" routing which takes it over the north atlantic, passing just south of Greenland, over eastern Canada, before finally dropping down into Newark....or if it takes a polar route...flying over the north pole and then south over Canada to Newark?



Second routing, LAX-FRAnkfurt on LH. Does this route fly eastbound over the USA, before crossing the Atlantic...and does this also fly to the south of Greenland? OR, does it fly north, over the pole, and then down into Germany....OR...does this flight actually go transpacific?


Do airlines prefer polar flights or great circle routes?


Thanks for your help.

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User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

Well, don't know how accurate it'd be, but you could always just download the star screensaver and watch the flights.  Big thumbs up

Regards



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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4516 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2079 times:

The what??  Confused

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User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

http://www.staralliance.com

Very bottom of the screen. Really cool! You can set it so that it is no in real time mode and the planes move fast.

Regards



YES URLS in signature!!!
User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

star alliance screensaver
http://www.aua.com/at/eng/Fascination/Fun/screensaver/


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6887 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

EWR to ARN direct = 6324.4 km

EWR to ARN via North Pole = 8882.2 km


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

I believe the North Atlantic track system changes quite frequently and there are a variety of tracks available, so I imagine it would be very hard to find out in advance...

Greg



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User currently offline411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

The North Atlantic Tracks change on a daily basis, so as to take advantage of winds aloft.
Therefore, these flights would have a slightly different routing each day, however it generally would be in the same area...:ie: no massive route changes.
Aircraft can also file 'random routes'. These are sometimes very close to great circle routings however, care must be exercised so as not to select a routing that crosses too many (daily) fixed tracks, as optimum altitudes may not be available due to crossing traffic, at certain times of the day.

Polar routing for the flights mentioned would not be advantageous, due to the distance involved.


User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2706 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

Here is SAS902 tonight, from EWR to Kastrup.
KEWR..MERIT..HFD..PUT..ALLEX.N93B.CYMON..DENDU..5100N/05000W..5300N/04000W..5500N/03000W..5600N/02000W..MIMKU.UP6.MORAG.UN563.GOW.UL983.TUDLO.UT53.LUGAS..EKCH

Here is DLH451 from LAX to AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA.
KLAX./.TRM031014..VBI..5130N/09000W..5430N/08000W..5540N/07000W..HO..LOACH..5600N/05000W..5600N/04000W..5600N/03000W..5600N/02000W..NIBOG.UN551.BESOP.UP6.REMSI.UL603.TEBRO.T150.OTKUR.OTKUR1W.EDDF

Nick


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6887 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

LH flightplan is LAX to the Thermal 031 radial 14 nm, then direct to Sioux Narrows? Boy... I knew once airborne they could hope for direct routings like that, but I didn't think flight plans had 1000+ miles of direct.

Wonder why they don't go via Daggett?


User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

"KEWR..MERIT..HFD..PUT..ALLEX.N93B"

Right over my house!!!!


User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4516 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

JohnJ, is that for the LH or SK flight?

User currently offlineSwadispatcher From United States of America, joined May 2004, 427 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

You can view a listing of the daily NAT tracks here:


https://www.notams.jcs.mil/common/nat.html


This is my first post to the forums.. be gentle..

-Dave





Maintain 2300 until Boiler, cleared for the VOR-A approach, report BATLE inbound..
User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3488 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1467 times:


Polar Tracks or NAT Tracks are chosen depending on weather conditions.

Track A would be suitable for both routes,and if this track goes south then a Polar Track would be flown on the AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA-LAX route.


User currently offlineBMAbound From Sweden, joined Nov 2003, 660 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

I flew ORD-ARN on SK last year and we passed (if I remember it correctly) a little north of New Foundland and over Greenland and since Chicago is further away from Stockholm than New York is, there's no crossing of the pole on the EWR-ARN route.

johan



Altitude is Insurance - Get Insured
User currently offlineYikes! From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1348 times:

Hey there: Welcome!

FWIW. I've been off this forum for a few years. Nice link!

Yikes!


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