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User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1668 times:

For the families of aircraft that Airbus produces, with all of their similarities and characteristics that are shared across the entire family of frames produced, is there a single simulator that can be built for operators?

More specifically, can one simulator, with modular changes to the software that might adjust for the different handling characteristics of the particular family work for the entire spectrum?




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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2805 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

I don't know if 1 simulator can be built, but I know that Airbus' training facility in Miami has both A320 and A330 simulators. This doesn't answer your question, but maybe some inferences can be made...

User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1566 times:


The A320 simulator can handle the A318,A319,A320, & A321 simulators. It is just a software change, now I am not sure if it can handle the A330 & A340 simulators, I will ask about that.



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User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

As far as I know, the narrowbodied airbus sims are different to the wide bodied ones...

bmi have 2 or 3 different sims including the A320, A330 and A340. They do some training for Virgin AFAIK as well...



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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

The A340-600 simulator covers the A345 and A346 aircraft which is why SQ have recently purchased one. Airbus have tried to make the handling of the A340 - 5/600 very similar to the A340 - 2/300.

User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3084 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1441 times:

No because a 32X sim only has TWO throttle and engine controls while a 34X has 4.....So with the 32X where are the extra controls?

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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21478 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

Don´t the long range models also have somewhat different auxiliary systems?

Control behaviour of the FBW models should be similar (and most differences would be in the simulation software anyway), but I´d guess the overhead panels and some other cockpit hardware components would still differ to a certain extent (in addition to the number of engines and related systems in the A340´s case).

Even if the differences were only minor (like exact placement of switches or displays), training pilots for blindly handling standard emergency situations wouldn´t make much sense if they would have to spend time re-orienting for differences between the simulator and the actual cockpit in the actual situation...


User currently offlineAirbus_A340 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1411 times:

Greasespot
"No because a 32X sim only has TWO throttle and engine controls while a 34X has 4.....So with the 32X where are the extra controls?"

I have seen an A330/A340 simulator, To meet demand they can be interchanged.



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3084 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

Ok then I guess they can then....

Greasespot.

What do I know. I am the fixer and not the driver. I was just guessing anyway...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1372 times:

Couldn't the 757 and 767 run on the same unit, with just different software?


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User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

Delta 57-67 have similar cockpit layouts but there are differences. I think systems differences could be handled by software but I don't know how the physical layout diffs could be addressed.


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User currently offlineSchooner From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

Apparently in 757/767 sims the cockpit can be changed between aircraft by swapping the overhead panel. Everything else is pretty much the same.


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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

I know that there are 757 & 767 simulators, I guess that you can use one simulator to handle both, but, it would depend on the airline training program. I will research this a little bit, now I am curious.


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User currently offlineQantasA332 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1500 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1313 times:

Flight International included a civil simulator directory in a recent issue, and from the look of it, whether 330/340 simulators (for example) are common depends on the specific simulator. Most airlines that have both A330s and A340s seem to have joint "A330/A340" simulators (the same exact simulator with software and throttle-quadrant changes, I guess), but occasionally they have additional simulators specific to one type or another. Also, A330/A340 simulators are never shared with any A320 family aircraft, but there is often "sharing" within the latter. It all depends...

As for 757/767 joint simulators, there are some of those as well - Air China, for example, has one. Like Airbus, though, there are also seperate 757 and 767 simulators, so it definitely varies.

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User currently offlineBuckfifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1316 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1316 times:

We have two A330/A340 simulators, both of which are interchangeable. The overhead panels and the throttle quadrant can be changed within two hours, as long as the software changeover doesn't cause any problems.

User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1256 times:

Thanks to all for the informative answers.


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