N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3676 posts, RR: 4 Posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2370 times:
Call me lucky, but I got to experience my second missed approach in less than 3 weeks this past Friday!
First was at the end of May on an AA A300 MIA-SJU.
Most recent was Friday night on AA 1999, a trusty 757 EWR-MIA. We were on final approach to 8L and were below 1000' (my estimate) and we did a sharp left turn, maybe climbed up to 4000' or so and within about 2 minutes landed on rwy 12.
Question #1: For an airline the size of AA, given the number of flights they operate each day, are missed approaches fairly common? Example, at least 1 per day?
Question #2: Is there any additional paperwork that a Captain has to file upon arrival?
Wilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8473 posts, RR: 78 Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2355 times:
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Hi N62NA,
well, for AA it seems to be a really common situation! But I cannot tell how often!
2. It depends! If I do a missed approach, nobody asks why! It is absolutely no problem! There is no more paperwork or anything else! Just go around and try again!
In other airlines a go around is a shame! The Captain needs to go to his boss and explain why! But I don't know where and I hope it is very rare...
A go around is mostly done because of safety reason: unstable approach, too high, to fast, something on the RWY, weather (windshear) or 1000 other reasons... So, shouldn't be a problem to do it! For my airline it is no problem, thank god!
PPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2205 times:
I highly doubt that a go around would result in you seeing your boss with an American airline. The FAA are pushing pilots to err on the side of caution and would discourage such behavior.
Buckfifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1314 posts, RR: 21 Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2186 times:
I know someone who was fired because of a missed approach. However, the reasoning was that the missed approach was totally unnecessary and a bad judgement call, and added onto the previous record of this said pilot, which perhaps was not too sterling.
But in the real world, missed approaches are not penalty items. Better to waste a bit more fuel than to risk an incident report.
Wilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8473 posts, RR: 78 Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2065 times:
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I heard of Asian Airlines (and talked to F/O's) who had to meet the head of the fleet and explain why they performed the go around! They wont get fired usually! But he had to explain. I have never heard either that in the US (or Europe) someone had to go to the head of the fleet to explain a go around!
Sure it is better to go around than crash the AC into the ground, but it costs money. We calculate for a go around and additional approach 600kg (1320 lbs)! Not so much, but it is fuel you have aboard and so additional weight!
Ba299 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 173 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1940 times:
some days ago we have recived a comunication from aour fleet manager about the go-around wich remeber that if we don't feel safe we have to go around. About the paperwork it depend by the cause of the go-around, so if we go-around due to an airprox or a TCAS RA or a GPWS warning we have to fill the compulsory safety report, in al the other case we can fill a voluntary report if we wish
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