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What Airplane Did You Get Your ATP In?  
User currently offlineLHcapt2007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 235 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

Airline Transport Pilot - PA44-180 Piper Seminole

Gotta love the counter rotating props, I feel for those of you who held your altitude during your single engine hold with your critical engine gone(traditional).

The most difficult part was keeping it inside 1 dot(donut in the seminole) single engine considering it is a light twin.


TNCM
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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

The DC-3

But I think this thread would fare better in the Polls and Preferences forum.




Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

There are few things more in life that I want than to have flown the DC-3!



FSP


User currently offlineDC3CV3407AC727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 314 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

7/8/89,N54604,DC-3C ,Century Airlines, Dayton,Ohio, my first command, still fly C47's at airshows, the Dc3 is still the best ship ever !


the rumble of round engines is like music to me,likewise the thunder of thr JT8D
User currently offlineNightFlyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 95 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

I did my ATP in an EMB120. She's not a classic like the DC3 but she will always be a classic to me.

NightFlyer


User currently offlineFlymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7253 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

You dont use Autopilot in ATP check do you? I would imagine that you dont. Is it just one check ride or do you need to get a type rating and then take a few check rides and the exams? I hope to get my ATP some day. Still got to just get my PPL first.


"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Flymia If an autopilot is installed, you will probably use it. Not as a crutch, but rather, to demonstrate the use of the aircraft equipment. In a two-pilot aircraft like the DC-3 or EMB120 mentioned above, you are also expected to make use of your copilot.

Proper use. Again, not as a crutch, but as an aid to the operation. CRM is part of the checkride.

Should be just one checkride. You can get ATP, type rating, and company proficiency check all in one, if it works out that way. You'll see what I mean long before you are ready to go for it.

And LHcapt2007 seriously, this has been read over three hundred times and only posted to six? It needs to have you move it to Polls and Preferences. It is not a "technical" question.

P.S. The DC-3 was N33644, which is still flying.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineBMAbound From Sweden, joined Nov 2003, 660 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

SlamClick, is the MCC course required for U.S airline pilots? I took for granted that it was, but since you said that the ATP-applicant has to demonstrate that s/he's able to work as a team during the ATP checkride, maybe the pilot doesn't have to do that in a separate MCC course?

thanks,

johan



Altitude is Insurance - Get Insured
User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

BMAbound sorry, I don't know what the MCC course is. (does that mean it is not required?)

My reference to use of copilot etc. on a checkride applies to two-pilot aircraft. However, I think the current "practical test standards" for the Private, Airplane Single Engine requires something like a CRM (crew resource management) demonstration. I guess a private pilot is supposed to say something like "please hand me that sectional" It does make sense to use other occupants of the plane to lighten your workload but the picture is kind of comical.




Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineFLY 8 From Austria, joined Dec 2000, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Dornier 328. nothing more to say...


yes i can handle that alone. - - -famous last words
User currently offlineBMAbound From Sweden, joined Nov 2003, 660 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

SlamClick, if interested, here's the contents of a MCC course. It's not very different from the CRM concept, I'd say it's about the same... Anyways, on many European carriers, SAS being one of them, MCC equals about 20 hrs in a FFS and a handful of class room hours.

http://web.sasflightacademy.com/company/training/human/human.asp#MCC%20–%20Multi%20Crew%20Co-operation%20Course

johan

(I tried to link it, but it didn't work...)



Altitude is Insurance - Get Insured
User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Okay Johan, I get it. Not to my knowledge is anything like that required in an ATP syllabus but a demonstration of proper use of crew, including CRM concepts is part of any checkride and oral exam.

The CRM stuff here in the US has morphed, from a program which had been called "captain sensitivity" or "copilot mutiny" training, to a sort of underlying philosophy for the safety programs. It is mostly about error-trapping now, and in my opinion, one of the good things that has come along on my watch.

As each company has its own version, it is taugh by each company.

One company had employees who objected to being left out so the program was changed to PRM for Personnel Resources Management. Then some genius decided that left out the tools and equipment so they changed it back to CRM for "company" resources. That was all-inclusive enough for everyone but me.

I wanted to call it WORM for "whole organization . . ." but that is only because I could not think of a something to match "SQUIRM."



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2568 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2238 times:

Boeing 767-300ER simulator (along with the 757/767 type rating), Boeing/Flight Safety Intl., Seattle WA.

HAL



One smooth landing is skill. Two in a row is luck. Three in a row and someone is lying.
User currently offlineInfiniti757 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

Cessna Citation 650 simulator when I got my type, Flight Safety Wichita.


Give me the luxuries in life and I will gladly do without the necessities. (Frank Lloyd Wright)
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