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Boeing 757/767 Trip Cost?  
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 21124 times:

Hey everyone. Can anyone give me an idea of the trip cost for a Boeing 757-200 and a Boeing 767-300ER? If it makes a difference, RB.211 engines on the 752 and GE CF6 engines on the 763ER. I don't need too specific of a figure, I'd just like to know a ballpark figure.

Thanks,
DFW

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User currently offlineTFJamie From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 21117 times:

At a price of, say $2 pr. gallon jeta (in the high end) and a standard three hour flight the fuel costs would be $3000/hr (at MTOW) and maybe $2000/hr empty for the 757 flying at 30000 ft and Long Range Cruise.

Add to that the crew costs (hourly wages for f/a's maybe in the $20-$40 range and flight crew double or more that) and aircraft devaluation/loan payments/lease/maintenance and you have the cost.

Unfortunately fuel is the only info I can estimate with some confidence.

You could also try to find the wet-lease prices for such an aircraft and maybe multiply it by 0.6-0.95 (Depending on kind of agreement) to get close to realistic operationg costs all included (except fuel)


User currently offline5NEOO From Nigeria, joined Nov 2003, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 21091 times:

Add to that the crew costs (hourly wages for f/a's maybe in the $20-$40 range and flight crew double or more that) and aircraft devaluation/loan payments/lease/maintenance and you have the cost.

Don't forget to through into the equation, landing fees and engine pbh fees (if the engines are being leased).


[Edited 2004-07-23 19:43:18]


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User currently offlineSean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 770 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 20912 times:

Most airlines pay less than $1/gallon depending on quantity discount and hedging.

User currently offlineQantasA332 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1500 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 20900 times:

According to the FAA, the approximate operating costs per block hour (including all involved costs, not just fuel) for the 752 and 763 are US$2685 and US$3398, respectively. Sorry, I don't have any figures for the 763ER...

Cheers,
QantasA332


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 20893 times:

This is new to me, so forgive my igonrance, but the FAA makes estimates of opperating cost ?

User currently offlineQantasA332 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1500 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 20881 times:

Sorry, my mistake. The document I got the figures from is actually from the ICAO (I had saved it to my computer without writing the URL down and it doesn't have the source written on it at all, so I wrongly assumed it to be from the FAA), and can be found here.

Cheers,
QantasA332


User currently offlineOssprey From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 20790 times:

QantasA332
Do you have a more up to date operation cost than the year 2000?
Or a link where I can get it?
Thanks



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User currently offlineQantasA332 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1500 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 20786 times:

Nope, that's it. Sorry.

Cheers,
QantasA332


User currently offlineAuae From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 296 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 20745 times:

From Eclat Consulting, and Published in Aviation Daily, for 12 months ending Sept 2003 (data is based on Form 41 reports)

757-200
Average Block Hour Cost and CASM
AA $3,354 4.6
UA $3,688 4.9
DL $6,768 9.6
NW $2,859 4.0
CO $3,347 4.6
US $4,214 6.0

767-300

Average Block Hour Cost and CASM
AA $4,084 4.3
UA $4,051 4.2
DL $7,996 8.7




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User currently offlineTFJamie From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20739 times:

What explanes DL's wild deviation from the norm?

User currently offlineAuae From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 296 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 20744 times:

There are a lot of reasons, but a big reason can be summed up in crew costs. Assuming that crew costs include the cabin crew, but also assuming most cabin crew costs are close across the main carriers, then it points to pilot costs. Here are the Crew Costs as stated in the reference above:

757-200
Average Block Hour Crew Cost
AA $845
UA $821
DL $2205
NW $780
CO $602
US $1236

767-300

Average Block Hour Crew Cost
AA $894
UA $996
DL $2474

You will note that it doesn't make up the total difference. It looks like DL also has above average fuel costs for the period and above average aircraft costs. The aircraft cost difference looks like it might be related to high depreciation rates. The higher fuel cost is related to higher fuel burn (gal) per block hour.



Air transport is just a glorified bus operation. -Michael O'Leary, Ryanair's chief executive
User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11728 times:

Reviving and old thread... any idea what "ball park" trip costs / block hour costs are for the 767-200 and -300 today, at current fuel prieces? And what would similar figures be for the A330-200 and -300?

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