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2 Aircraft Same Reg?  
User currently offlineWork4bmi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

All,

Is it possible for an aircraft to share its reg? What I mean is, I photographed an aircraft today that is soon to join another airline. I was issued with the registration and entered it into a.net - To my suprise, the reg is in the database but with another airline, from the 70's...

Please help as I am unsure.

Thanks

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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2083 times:

I´m certain that a registration can´t be shared, but it can be re-used.

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13985 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

At any given time only one plane is supposed to have a certain registration. If you´ve seen a picture from the 70s, this would mean that e.g. the old airplane has been scrapped or removed from service, or sold abroad, so that the alloted registration number became free again.

I know of only one case concerning a FAA issued registration number, where two planes used te same number (illegaly). This was a guy in Germany, who didn´t want to bother with German regulations (maintenance checks, insurance) and tax, and therefore painted a fake N-number on his single engined plane, figuring that since he was operating the plane exclusively in Europe, the FAA wouldn´t catch him and the German authorities, seeing the American number, wouldn´t bother with him. His downfall came after a visiting FAA inspector noticed the number and remembered that he used to be working on a police helicopter in some American city with exactly the same number. He notified both the FAA and the German LBA, and from then on the German pilot found himself in deep doodoo. His plane got confiscated, I don´t know if they jailed him or just fiined him, and if he ever sets his foot into the US, he´ll face legal action.

Jan


User currently offlineWork4bmi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Klaus,

Thanks, this oculd be the reason then. From what I can gather, the 70's aircraft has not been since photographed, so am guessing its a re-issue for the new one.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

MD11Engineer, good story! Big grin

User currently offlineWork4bmi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

MD11!!!

Wow, thanks! And yes, a great story!


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

I've seen pictures of one aircraft wearing 2 N#s at the same time....

User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2791 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

At JetBlue, we started our aircraft registrations at N503JB. Why? Because 501 and 502 were already taken? We're about to take delivery of N591JB but we certainly don't have 90/ish airplanes. Instead, these numbers skipped and jumped based on registrations that are already in use.

User currently offlineIanatstn From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

Flyf15,

I think I have seen a pic also, with a different registration on the fuselage and under the wing.... however I think this was taken a while back, when regulations might not have been as tight. Obviously, this would have happened when the aircraft transfers to a different carrier in a different country, as in most circumstances it would require a brand new registration.

More recently I think I have seen Airbus aircraft with both their test registration and there eventual 'proper' registration on at the same time.

Cheers  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Ian@STN



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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1975 times:

A lot of times, planes that are having work being done at Boeing get new registrations, as well as planes that are on pre-delivery flights.

I remember a Delta plane that got re-painted, but the wrong registration was applied. I believe that the photo had more information, but I cannot find it in the database.

 Smile
-Will



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User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 629 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1958 times:

Happened before between China and Taiwan, I heard there is a B24?? on both sides, but since they would never been seen on each others soil, it wasn't problematic. I believe that is why Taiwan now uses 3/5 digits and China 4 digits.

And you can find reg are recycled, for example 9V-SQA is both a 747-200 in 1973 and 777-200ER in 1997.

Regards
Kev



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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1958 times:

The pictures I've seen are of a business jet (Raytheon Premier if I remember right)....one N# on one side, another N# on the other side. Kind of strange looking. Had something to do with pre-delivery test flights.

User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

This beauty has two regs, and I don't think LH would have done that without approval:

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Photo © Luc Van Belleghem

It's probably for historical reasons, I remember D-AQUI was the registration of a LH Ju52 many moons ago.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13985 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

Yes, the original registration back in the 30s was D-AQUI. Since today the A letter on the modern German system is reserved to multiengined aircraft with a take-off weight of greater than 20 tons (which didn´t exist back then), the Ju-53 3m would belong into the C class, multiengined between 5,6 and 20 tons.
D-CDLH is it´s official registration. D-AQUI is only stencilled on the plane for historical reasons.

Jan


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

Not possible to have two Aircrafts with the same registration in service at the same time,probably an older aircraft was deregistered & the available registration was then available for the new one.
regds
HAWK



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User currently offlineWillo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

Check registration D-ICMS in the database. I got a bit of shock when using autocomplete to find the aircraft I had just snapped had undergone a fairly radical conversion Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Andrew Scott


User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1716 times:

Recycling regs is fairly common. If you check out Thai International's fleet, you'll find a large number of registrations recycled with earler aircraft in their fleet of fairly recent vintage. For eg. HS-TGA was initially a DC-6B of TG, it was then their first B747-200 and today HS-TGA is a B744 and so on.

rgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1707 times:

If you go up to Renton, and look at the flight line, you will often times see several 737's with the same tail numbers.

Boeing has a number of "house registations" that they slap on aircraft for ferrying and flight testing reasons. Again only one aircraft with that number is allowed to be airborne at one time, but several aircraft can wear the same number.



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User currently offlineWhiskeyflyer From Ireland, joined May 2002, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

check the old EL Liberian registration, many double registrations.
here extract from UN report

"Several countries (including Belgium, South Africa, U.K. and Spain) have in recent years banned Liberian registered aircraft from their airspace and airports, in part because of fraudulent activity in relation to their registration.

The illegal registration of more than one plane with the same number, for example, is a practice frequently mentioned by airport inspectors throughout Africa. "

REPORT OF THE PANEL OF EXPERTS

APPOINTED PURSUANT TO
UN SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 1306 (2000), PARAGRAPH 19
IN RELATION TO SIERRA LEONE

December 2000




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