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User currently offlineLuckySevens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (15 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1261 times:

I was wondering why American had so many problems with the DC-10s (They W/O 3 out of 27 in accidents)

It doesn't appear that any other carrier had as many accidents with them as American did.

I am by no means implying that either American or the DC10 is unsafe but I was wondering what your thoughts were on these incidents?
(N110AA Chicago May '79; N136AA DFW May '88; N139AA DFW Apr '93)

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User currently offlineFlying_steph From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (15 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1201 times:

The more DC10s you have, the more likely you'll be the one (among all the DC10 operators) who has problems with them. That's pure statistics...
 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Now seriously, all those DC10 accidents are not related to each other, and might have happened to any other type of aircraft or airline except the first one (Chicago, I think), due to wrong AA maintenance practices.

You shouldn't look for a pattern here, it's all "random". AA is a safe airline, even though they sometimes push their pilots in the back or fire a Captain who refused to fly because of bad weather. Nobody's perfect after all.
 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineLuckySevens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (15 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1187 times:

FEDEX operates 2x+ the number of DC10s that AA operated and they've only written off one (Hopefully the last, too)

United also operated more DC10s.

I know AA is a safe airline, I usually fly them. I was just wondering if mabye they took the Douglas Manual a little too seriously (The two Dallas incidents were when the brakes had problems when encountering the limit of their design, which Douglas admitted that they didn't test using worn brakes which is totally acceptable per FAA)

User currently offlineDC10hound From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 463 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (15 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

AAL ultimately operated 59 DC-10s, not just 27 (those were the original order). The DFW incidents were RTOs.
Chicago was catasthropic, and not easily forgotten by MX. Nobody ever mentions N128AA slidng into the cesspool at SJU. The fact remains, AAL was one of the largest and most efficent operators of the 10 in the world. All are retired now, but 13 live on leased to Hawaiian (Most still carry AAL N# and registration). And N132 slid into the water at PPT without it's leasors help.
So the whole point of discussing AAL DC-10s is history. I would be glad to talk about the history of the 10 at AAL, if anyone would like to continue this thread.

"Eagles soar. But weasels never get sucked into jet intakes.."
User currently offlineLuckySevens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (15 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

Thanks DC10hound for the info.
Was the incident at SJU a write-off?

How many of those 57 were leased?

How many 10-10s and 10-30s did they have?

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