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Aircraft Types Progression For Pilots On AA  
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5048 posts, RR: 8
Posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5123 times:

I've seen some very young 763 Captains and some older M80 First Officers on AA flights I've taken and was wondering what the progression is for a pilot. Does it go:

First Officer:


Then as Captain:


Or is the A300 at the top of the lists because it carries the most pax?

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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3589 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5083 times:

Your list is appropriate if the only consideration is pay. For most younger pilots that may be true, but as you age your priorities tend to change. AA pilots have historically placed (1) Quality-of-Life (monthly schedule & home location) and (2) Retirement at a much higher level than pay rates. While there was a "blurp" in that historical perspective during the early 1990's [when the new group of "progressives" took control of APA], the historical priorities have been gradually re-emerging as that group has aged as well.

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User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

It should be a bidding process to get upgraded and moved among the various types.

At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17654 posts, RR: 65
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5054 times:

This is a very American thing of course. In most of the rest of the world pay is not dependent on aircraft type once you get off turboprops and RJs.

"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5099 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

I know this is a little off-topic for AA but I have seen some older grey-haired gents flying CRJ's for Comair. I thought that mostly the young "kids" fly the CRJs you know, as an entry level type of commercial pilot. Especially since the pay is so low.


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 29177 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4823 times:

Not 100% familiar with AA, however some airlines like Continental and United have contract that lump together several types of aircraft for pay purposes.

At CO, 737-300/500 is one type, 737NG/MD-80/B757-200 is another, while the 757-300/767-200/400/777 is the third.

At UA, the 737/A320 is one, the 757/767 is another, while the 777 and 747-400 are the third.

By lumping together and reducing types of equipment for pay purposes the desire to keep swapping to a larger and larger aircraft in ones career is reduced. For instace at both CO and UA, you would really only have two upwards steps to take versus and airline that pays differently for each aircraft they own.

This ultimately saves the airline million of dollars in reduced training cycles.

From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineInfiniti757 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4776 times:

A lot of the older commuter captains I've met or know are ex-mainline or guys that just liked commuter flying. As for pay some of the guys I know are making around $100k per year at one of the larger commuters. At somepoint in your career progression it becomes more about quality of life than anything else.

Give me the luxuries in life and I will gladly do without the necessities. (Frank Lloyd Wright)
User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2642 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4722 times:

My uncle curfrently flies for AA as a 757/767 Capt. and is in his late 40's. His progression went:

First Officer, MD-80
Captain MD-80
Captain 757/767

I believe it has to do with wether the pilot wants to become one of the more senior FO's and go to larger aircraft type as an FO, or wait as an FO on smaller aircraft then move up after a few years, as my uncle did.

[Edited 2004-08-24 22:57:27]

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User currently offlineAccidentally From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 648 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4669 times:

Friend of mine went:

F/E - 727
F/O - 727
Capt - 727
Capt - 757/767

AA btw.

Indianapolis, IN
User currently offlineCalpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1002 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4626 times:

I went,

A300 F/E
MD80 F/O
MD80 F/O
and now back to B737 CA again. Maybe with todays bid I can hold B756 CA?

User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4609 times:

Hope you get that B756A bid, Calpilot! (maybe far enough up to hold a line too!) Big grin Let us how know it goes.


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