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Aircraft Types Progression For Pilots On AA  
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4593 posts, RR: 7
Posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

I've seen some very young 763 Captains and some older M80 First Officers on AA flights I've taken and was wondering what the progression is for a pilot. Does it go:

First Officer:

M80
738
757/767
A300
777

Then as Captain:

M80
738
757/767
A300
777

Or is the A300 at the top of the lists because it carries the most pax?

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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3494 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

Your list is appropriate if the only consideration is pay. For most younger pilots that may be true, but as you age your priorities tend to change. AA pilots have historically placed (1) Quality-of-Life (monthly schedule & home location) and (2) Retirement at a much higher level than pay rates. While there was a "blurp" in that historical perspective during the early 1990's [when the new group of "progressives" took control of APA], the historical priorities have been gradually re-emerging as that group has aged as well.



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User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

It should be a bidding process to get upgraded and moved among the various types.


At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17180 posts, RR: 66
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

This is a very American thing of course. In most of the rest of the world pay is not dependent on aircraft type once you get off turboprops and RJs.


"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5067 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

I know this is a little off-topic for AA but I have seen some older grey-haired gents flying CRJ's for Comair. I thought that mostly the young "kids" fly the CRJs you know, as an entry level type of commercial pilot. Especially since the pay is so low.

bruce



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

Not 100% familiar with AA, however some airlines like Continental and United have contract that lump together several types of aircraft for pay purposes.

At CO, 737-300/500 is one type, 737NG/MD-80/B757-200 is another, while the 757-300/767-200/400/777 is the third.

At UA, the 737/A320 is one, the 757/767 is another, while the 777 and 747-400 are the third.

By lumping together and reducing types of equipment for pay purposes the desire to keep swapping to a larger and larger aircraft in ones career is reduced. For instace at both CO and UA, you would really only have two upwards steps to take versus and airline that pays differently for each aircraft they own.

This ultimately saves the airline million of dollars in reduced training cycles.




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User currently offlineInfiniti757 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

A lot of the older commuter captains I've met or know are ex-mainline or guys that just liked commuter flying. As for pay some of the guys I know are making around $100k per year at one of the larger commuters. At somepoint in your career progression it becomes more about quality of life than anything else.


Give me the luxuries in life and I will gladly do without the necessities. (Frank Lloyd Wright)
User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

My uncle curfrently flies for AA as a 757/767 Capt. and is in his late 40's. His progression went:

First Officer, MD-80
Captain MD-80
Captain 757/767

I believe it has to do with wether the pilot wants to become one of the more senior FO's and go to larger aircraft type as an FO, or wait as an FO on smaller aircraft then move up after a few years, as my uncle did.

[Edited 2004-08-24 22:57:27]


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User currently offlineAccidentally From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3454 times:
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Friend of mine went:

F/E - 727
F/O - 727
Capt - 727
Capt - 757/767

AA btw.



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User currently offlineCalpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 999 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

I went,

A300 F/E
MD80 F/O
B727F/E
MD80 F/O
B727F/E
B727F/O
B756F/O
B737CA
B756F/O
and now back to B737 CA again. Maybe with todays bid I can hold B756 CA?


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

Hope you get that B756A bid, Calpilot! (maybe far enough up to hold a line too!) Big grin Let us how know it goes.

DeltaGuy


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