Cmsgop From United States of America, joined May 2000, 142 posts, RR: 0 Posted (15 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2895 times:
Now this is one of those FAA type airports where you climb to 1000'ft and throttle back to reduce the noise,But coming back from my wedding going home to Seattle we did something different,we climbed to 1000' and made a hard left going over back bay is this something new?...Thanks
Cmsgop From United States of America, joined May 2000, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (15 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2567 times:
What "kind of T.O." are you refering to? SNA departures are in many ways the easiest takeoff/departures I've flown. ...............I have seen shows because Regan National and Orange County have the same T.O. FULL BRAKES,ENGINES FULL THROTTLE,CLIMB TO 1000',THROTTLE BACK, LEVEL AND THEN CLIMB TO 10,000'....some flight crews seem to think this can be dangerous,just to reduce the noise level!
AAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3568 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (15 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2577 times:
>I have seen shows because Regan National and Orange County have the same
>T.O. FULL BRAKES,ENGINES FULL THROTTLE,CLIMB TO 1000',THROTTLE BACK,
>LEVEL AND THEN CLIMB TO 10,000'....
SNA southbound departures are very simple and therefore very easy to perform:
1. line-up on runway.
2. hold brakes.
3. spool engines to mid-range power
(so they don't spool up unevenly for directional control)
4. release brakes.
5. apply takeoff power.
6. rotate as normal.
7. maintain initial climb speed to 800 feet.
8. set reduced power (noise abatement climb).
9. WAIT-you do nothing else but fly an airspeed and direction until above 3,000 feet (raise flaps) and 5 miles (add power if desired) from airport.
Numbers 1-6 are done at any airport. The order may change slightly depending on if you are doing a "rolling takeoff" or not.
Number 7 is only slightly different than AA standard procedure of maintaining initial climb speed to 1,000 feet AGL (600' used to be SOP until a couple of years ago).
Number 8 is different only in the power setting used. SNA departures use significantly less power than a "normal" departure, but the actions in the cockpit are the same.
Number 9 is where the differences are. In a "normal" departure power reduction, configuration changes and heading changes occur nearly simultaneously. In an SNA departure these are all spread out by a significant amount. Set the power and WAIT for 1 mile point (5-10 seconds); change heading 19 degrees left and WAIT
for 3,000' (40-60 seconds); raise flaps/slats and WAIT for 5 mile point (20-30 seconds); set climb power (if desired).
On the B757 you command the pilot not flying to do two things: "VNAV" (at 800') and "LNAV" (at 1 mile). On the MD90 you command the pilot not flying to do two things: "EPR Select" (at 800') and "NAV" (at 1 mile). All very simple and so spread out time-wise it is that much easier to do correctly.
>some flight crews seem to think this can be dangerous,just to reduce the noise level!
I've watched crews brief SNA departures for more than 30 minutes! Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill! As to being dangerous, it is less dangerous than "normal" departure since everything is spread out time-wise and IF anything goes wrong, you disregard the noise procedures entirely. i.e. if an engine fails during takeoff and I continue takeoff, I will climb straight ahead to 650'AGL, level off, raise flaps, then continue climb all while maintaining max power! 650' at max power over the noise monitors is gonna bust the limits big time. But heck, there are no obstructions and LGB is an easy right turn to land.
That's not to say SNA departures do not require precision flying to maintain below prescribed noise limits, they do. But they are neither dangerous nor difficult. Sadly, they do "read" in the Jepp pages 100 times worse than they "feel" in the aircraft and that has a lot of pilots very concerned about "safety."
FWIW, all my SNA takeoffs last week were rolling takeoffs. Much more "kick-in-the-pants" than holding the brakes while increasing power. At least on the MD90. Opposite is true for B757.
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