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What Does FedEx Think Of Their MD-10s?  
User currently offlineDuce50boom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3660 times:

I've heard alot of different things. The avionics are a pain in the ass. They love them, etc.

What do FedEx pilots and maintainers actually think of the aircraft?

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User currently offlineFoxHunter From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Great airplane to fly, though the MD-10-10 is a little underpowered. A flightcrew can fly the MD10 to a domestic location and then be scheduled to fly the MD11 overseas. I believe we fly 35 at present, plus another 4 coming this year, 11 next. I've heard we will have 83 or 89 at the end of the conversion program

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

Glad to hear the MD-10's are coming 'on-line'. I was out in AMA when FEDX started flying the former AA DC-10's out of there. Most where pretty well stripped out just after of the cockpit door and at that time looking pretty sad.


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

When I fly into IND, and taxi past the FedEx, are those DC-10's, MD 10's, or MD 11's?


User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

I work on the MD10's here in PHX all the time. They are great !!! Of course I loved the Dc10 anyway.... But like we always say " you can take a hog, put a wig and lipstick on it, you can even call it Marylou. But its still a hog."


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days ago) and read 3397 times:

When I fly into IND, and taxi past the FedEx, are those DC-10's, MD 10's, or MD 11's?

It could be d) all of the above.

The only visible difference between the MD10 and DC10 is the "MD10" written on the nose on FX planes.

The MD-11 is bigger, and has winglets.

N


User currently offlineDeskPilot From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

How come FedEx chose to go with DC-10/MD-10/MD-11 ?

Why don't the reasons why the passenger carriers dropped these types not apply to a pure cargo operator ?

Seen the same thing here in Aus with cargo carriers picking up ex passenger 727s for conversion to pure cargo.



By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?
User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1791 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 3129 times:

DeskPilot,
old airplanes are cheap to purchase. That justifies the cost of ordering brand new ones and making payments on them all the time. Also, DC10 and A300 are great platforms for cargo operators.
727 is also cheap and flies fast as well.

Hope this helps,

Baha



Earthbound misfit I
User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3408 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

Cargo operators ususaly fly older aircraft becauyse they will have a lower utilization. Becuase passenger aircraft fly more hours per day, the reduced cost in MX and gas makes up for the higher purchase price of a newer aircraft. Becuase cargo aircraft fly less, the aquisition cost is a larger part of the equation, so it makes sense to keep it down by buying cheaper aircraft (as bahadir said).


When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 2989 times:

Not to mention that cargo isn't going to complain about the lack of IFE on 727s versus JetBlue's much younger A320s.

User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

Why didn't Fed Ex find satisfaction with the 747 freighter?


Fly one thing; Fly it well
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25436 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

As of August 1st Fedex has 33 MD-10s in service. 4 more are slated to be converted by December, plus another 6 by mid 2005.

As far as the 747s, Fedex inherited a pretty mixed fleet of 747s from Flying Tigers. Fleet included -100s and -200s with a mix of 3 different engine types, JT9D-7A, 7Q and the 70A. The -100s were quickly shed and a small fleet of 6-8 -200Fs were operated until 96 or 97.

I believe the 747s were primarily let go as they were not economic in such a small fleet count, and also the 747 was not a good fit for the Fedex network. As the MD-11 fleet grew in size it quickly became the aircraft of choice for international flying plus the heavier domestic routes.

I also know the Fedex B747 fleet suffered from poor reliability compared to other fleet types at the company.




From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineFedex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2627 times:

nwafflyer,
As Gignil said, you can look at the nose for "MD-10" painted, or you can look at the top of the fuselage at the VHF blade antenna. On the DC-10's they are located on the centerline roughly above the middle of the main cargo door, while on the MD-10, they were relocated to the same position as an MD-11, which is much farther back towards the tail.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

How come FedEx chose to go with DC-10/MD-10/MD-11 ?

FedEx operated the DC-10 as new builds, and received the very first flying MD-11. There were a host of reasons, mostly that Boeing didn't make a plane that size and the L-1011 was harder to come by.

Since they made those choices, many DC-10 and MD-11s became available second-hand, and FedEx snapped those up.

I believe the 747s were primarily let go as they were not economic in such a small fleet count, and also the 747 was not a good fit for the Fedex network.

The 747s are great freighters, but poor package/parcel freighters. They're huge and cavernous, but that matters not when loading standard containers.

The DC-10 and MD-11 are great planes for that. The 380 will be too. I imagine the A330 and 777 would be as well.

N


User currently offlineBOSugaDL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2612 times:

I know that the MD-10's have a MD-11 style glass cockpit. But do the MD-10's have updated(like some 727 have been updated with MD-80 engines), engines or do they have the original engines?

p.s. I know nothing about techs (no more than the bands of engines i.e.:P&W, GE, CFM, RR) so I know that I'm using laymen terms, please be patient, thanks


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

I can make it as layman as possible.

No.

N


User currently offlineBOSugaDL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

Gigneil-
That is perfect, thanks


User currently offlineNightFlyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 95 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

Same engines as the DC10.


NightFlyer


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