TheBigOne From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 240 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4435 times:
I have often wondered about the number of windows on the upperdeck of early B747 aircraft. I can recall seeing photos of a number of early 747 (100 and 200 series) with only three windows on the upperdeck. Since then many of the same aircraft have got 10 windows on the upperdeck. Were these new windows added when the lounges were changed to regular seating? Did airline maintenance personnel cut new windows into the aircraft or were they always there, but just covered up?
Lorm From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 409 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4227 times:
Both the early 100 and 200 variants were produced with only 3 windows on each side. Eventually 10 became the standard on all production models, and some airlines even had modifications on early delivered aircraft, such as United and Continental.
Some carriers retained the 3 window standard and on later deliveries, TWA had seven windows plugged by Boeing with aluminum plates.
Interestingly and tragically TWA flight 800 (N93119) crash coverage on TV showed that some of these plugs were dislodged in the crash on the right side. Though left side covers remained in place.
Miami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3581 times:
Qantas' first 747s (-200s) had 10 windows when delivered, even though the UD was used as a lounge - The "Captain Cook" Lounge. I remember reading the 10 windows were at QF's request, leading me to believe the were the first airline to have this option.
TheBigOne From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 240 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2320 times:
Thank you for clearing that up. Its a question that has bugged me for many years! I have actually been to Air India's 747 crew training mock-up in Bombay, that still has a lounge on the upper deck. If only the lounges were still around today.....
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Tbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2113 times:
My first 747 take-off was in the old "Red Carpet Room" of UA's first 747. In the delivery model, there were ~7 gold fabric swivel chairs. Not a great arrangement as a lounge. After they retro'ed the -100's to the 10 window cabin, they created a terrific Polynesian style lounge with a circular sofa, card tables, a full service bar, and snacks for cocktails. Rarely did were any pax seated there - all the paxs were on the lower deck and would wander up to see and maybe have a drink. First class was first class then!
American never changed their few 747 aircraft. In fact, one of those old birds was flying SFO/HNL in '94. The UD had 16 business class seats and only three windows on each side. Comfortable, but sort of cramped.