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Topic: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
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Posted 2006-12-22 18:08:33 and read 32767 times.


Air France 033
Houston (IAH) – Paris (CDG)
Airbus A330-2 (F-GZCC)
Seat: 2A
Scheduled Departure Time: 16:20
Actual Departure Time: 16:15
Scheduled Arrival Time: 08:50
Actual Arrival Time: 8:20

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Check In: After a slightly late arrival from Orlando, my Boeing 757 reached the gate at 11:15 causing me to arrive at the Air France counter at around 11:45. At that point it was completely desolate with only a single agent running around preparing the counters for the day’s influx of passengers. Meanwhile, I stood and watched the Northwest ground personnel check in a steady stream of passengers for the KLM flight to Amsterdam.
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Around 12:05 the Air France counters opened and a young Asian lady called me over with smile. We exchanged pleasantries; she was smiling, courteous and professional and did her job with remarkable enthusiasm. Both my boarding passes were issued with my pre reserved seats while my bags were tagged all the way to Mumbai. The agent wished me a “Bon Voyage” and I headed towards TSA with my bag. After a quick stroll towards security, I was on my way to departures located on the second floor.
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Lounge: I followed the instructions on the back of the lounge invitation and found the Air France lounge directly opposite Gate 10. As I handed it over to the agent behind the counter I was greeted with a “Bonjour, please make yourself comfortable.” The lounge was deserted at this point as it had just opened. I found myself a seat and grabbed a quick drink with some cookies. I chatted a bit on the phone and watched the club fill up. As I had a long wait, I got a few more drinks to pass the time.
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Boarding: The boarding pass stated that boarding would begin at 15:30, thus, once 15:20 rolled by, I made my way towards the gate to prepare for boarding.
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At exactly 15:35 boarding commenced with passengers traveling with children and for those needing assistance. At that moment, everyone started shoving their way to the front despite the ground staff saying general boarding had not commenced. I was standing to the side watching this spectacle unfold. A minute later they welcomed Business Class and Elites to board, so we all queued up like the orderly passengers we were on one side and had our boarding passes scanned, this was met with a smile and a “bon voyage.”
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Once on the aircraft I was greeted by a male purser with “Bonjour Monsieur.” After a quick glance at my boarding pass he pointed me towards the front of the aircraft. I stored my bags and picked up the hangar that had been placed on my seat with a blanket and a pillow. I had barely placed my jacket on the hangar when a middle aged male flight attendant appeared and held his hand out with a “Monsieur.” I sat down and noticed a bottle of water and a pair of headphones were waiting for me between the seat and the armrest. Upon further inspection I saw my amenity kit had been placed in a slot next to my leg-rest.
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The cabin started filling up and that male flight attendant was running around the cabin hanging up jackets. The captain welcomed us onboard once things had settled down and stated that our flying time today would be around eight hours and thirty minutes. A tray of orange juice and champagne was brought around just as the door was closed at around 16:10.
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A crew member made a quick round with the newspaper trolley followed by the chief purser welcoming us onboard. The safety demonstration was aired just as we commenced push back at exactly 16:20. For those interested, here is a link to an actual Air France safety video on youtube. The one aired on my flight was identical to this one with the exception being it was an A330 rather than the 747-400 depicted.

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The Flight: After a relatively quick take off and some great views of Houston, we turned Northeast towards Atlanta and began our long journey across the Atlantic. Hot towels were passed out and an announcement was made stating the video programming had begun, thus I eagerly pushed the button to release my PTV. However, it only popped up only half way through the armrest, the horror! No matter how much I pulled, pushed, prodded, cursed and yanked it would not budge. At this point in my seat mate was looking at me like I was some kind of wild animal at a zoo, though I can’t say I blame him entirely. I decided to head to the lavatory and deal with this mess when I came back.

Upon walking back to my seat, I found the male F/A handing out menus. I quickly informed him of my dilemma. He first looked at me and then the PTV, tried pushing, and prodding it with his one free hand. After a few seconds he grunted, threw the menus on my seat and got down on his knees to try and take a closer look at it. He was yanking and pulling all the while muttering something in French under his breath. Another male F/A saw this and came over to see what was going on. Before I knew they were both on their knees tugging and pulling. After another minute the chief purser graced us with her presence. She asked the two guys a question in French and then joined the struggle. I felt sorry for my poor seat neighbor who now had three cabin personal invading his space. About a minute later I heard a loud noise and the three of them stopped talking. The male F/A picked up the menus, walked up to me in the aisle and said
“Pardon Monsieur. It is fixed, sorry.”
I sat back down and decided that the PTV was not going to be moved by me for the rest of the flight. I just had enough time to glance over the menu quickly when the drink cart appeared.
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I opted for a contemporary glass of coke to go with my box of salted cashews. I noticed Air France does not use cans, but rather big liter bottles which I found interesting as it has been a long time since I last saw something like that.
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I flicked through the AVOD system to see what movies were available for today’s flight.
Cars
Le grand Meaulnes (French Movie)
Rumor Has It
Quand j’étais chanteur (French Movie)
Step Up
Pirates of the Caribbean 2
Miami Vice
Camping (French Movie)
Lady and the Tramp
Président (French Movie)
Scoop
My Super Ex Girlfriend


This is one of my biggest gripes with Air France, their AVOD system. Considering these are newly designed seats, their AVOD system leaves a lot to be desired. I had more choice with USAirways in economy back in 2002. KLM and NW have a far better AVOD system as do most other airlines out there with unlimited hours of entertainment consisting of movies, short features, comedies, games, music and much more. Air France seems to have missed the mark on this. Other than the movies there was one channel which had short features on a cycle, not on demand. I believe Air France needs to take a closer look at the system KLM uses. Never the less, I had to make do with what I had and selected “My Super Ex Girlfriend” as my dinner feature tonight.
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Once our trash was collected a white table cloth was laid out and the trolley was rolled by. This is what the dinner menu looked like tonight:

Traditional Service

Choice of Hor d’Oeurve

Foie gras, pears with fig sauce

Poached lobster and mango


Choice of Main Courses
Tournedos of beef and green peppercorns served with roasted potatoes and asparagus

Pan seared fillet of cod accompanied by broccoli and sautéed artichokes with basil


Plat du Jour (Plate of the Day)
Breast of marinated roast chicken
The chicken is marinated in ancho pepper a red pepper from Mexico, then oven roasted. This dish is accompanied by a lightly spiced mango sauce with coconut apricots


Our Special Selection of Cheese

Assortment of Desserts
Apricot clafouti, Brenton vanilla raspberry cake, sherbert served with cookies, choice of fresh fruit
Espresso is served at out bar Espace


Express Service
If you would like more time to work or relax, this chilled meal is offered in place of the traditional service: hors d’oeuvre of your choice, our special selection of cheese and pastry

Wine List
by Olivier Poussier, world’s best sommelier 2000, chief sommelier of Lenotre, a signature bran of Accor

Champagne
Bollinger Special Cuvee

This excellent wine is certainly the most perfected non-vintage brut of the entire Champagne region. Because it is composed mainly of reserved wines – 80% grand cru and premier cru – this champagne exhibits extraordinary complexity. This blending also allows an exceptional aging over three years, creating a refined bubble and an acidity that melds with the overall ensemble of the wine.
www.champagne-bollinger.fr

White Bordeaux
Pessac-Leognan Chateau Coucheroy 2004 Lurton

This wine is comprised of 90% Sauvignon Blanc, with a hint of the Semillon grape. The combination of wood cask fermentation and vinification in vats gives rise to fresh, fruity and refreshing wine. I recommend it with fish, shellfish and goat cheese.
www.andrelurton.com

Red Burgundy
Savigny-les-Beaune 2004 Jaffelin

This village of the northern Cote de Beaune is located between Pernand-Vergelesses and the town of Beaune itself. In this 2004 vintage, the Pinot Noir expresses itself with luscious fruit flavors. The supple texture and restrained power of this wine makes it well suited for white meats and poulty dishes

Red Bordeaux
Haut-Medoc Chateau Reysson 2003 Cru Superieur

This chateau is located in Vertheuil, in canton of Pauilac. Composed primarly of the Cabernet Sauvignon grape, this wine expresses density and mellowness. The 2003 vintage produces a rounder, fuller, structure. A perfect companion to flavorful meats such as beef, lamb and duck.

Not being much of a foie gras man, I requested the lobster for my first course. The tray was placed on my tray table with a question in French, which I can only assume was a “what would you like to drink?” I answered back with “Bordeaux please.” A bread basket was also placed beside me and I selected a mini baguette.
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All I can say was the appetizer was excellent as the Lemon Vinaigrette Dressing really brought out the flavor of the lobster. Overall this was one of the best appetizers I have ever had on an airplane. A few minutes later the plate was collected and I was asked what I would like for my main course.
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The steak was simply magnificent. It was soft and cooked to medium with a pink center, just the way I like it. Usually steaks are burnt to a crisp on planes, but this was excellent. The pepper corn sauce was a perfect combo to steak. The potatoes and asparagus were excellent side dishes as well. Once this was consumed, it was time for my favorite part of the meal, dessert. My tray was collected and I was asked what I would like for dessert.
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I selected the vanilla raspberry cake and the mango flavored sorbet, the other two being lemon and raspberry. A small packet of cookies were added to the plate to make the trio complete. All I can say is wow! Amazing work Air France, the cake was rich and just perfect. The sorbet was fantastic, of course I am a sucker for anything mango anyway and the Pepperidge Farm cookies were the perfect ending to this exquisite meal. I can honestly say this dinner was one of the best meals I have ever had in flight.
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After dinner I tried putting the seat in sleep mode and I could not stay in it for more than a few seconds. The worst part of this is that there are no buttons that separately control the leg-rest or recline. It became difficult to find an optimal position especially when the seat was doing what it wanted to do. I kept playing around with the positions until I got it to be somewhat comfortable. I played a few games of Hangman and Air France trivia, which helped pass the time. Eventually I put some European hits on and placed the pillow behind my head to try and catch some shut eye. Sadly, it was not to be as I could not get comfortable enough to sleep.
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Somewhere south of Iceland I was about to become comatose when the seatbelt sign came on accompanied by a booming voice telling passengers and crew to take their seats due to turbulence. After a few minutes of nothing I was just about to fall asleep again when the plane started to shudder. This was followed by a loud crash from the galley. By now the entire cabin was awake looking around dazed and confused. The turbulence continued for a good thirty minutes before it ceased just as fast as it appeared, however by this time I was totally awake. I put on the “comix” channel and saw some Tom & Jerry followed by the ever so classic Road Runner and Bugs Bunny.

Before I knew it, we were just south of Ireland when the cabin lights were started. I saw the crew for the first time since they served us dinner. The standard white table cloth was placed on my tray and I was asked what I would like to have for breakfast.

Breakfast

Fruit juice, coffee, tea, hot chocolate
Fresh fruit, yogurt

Fresh bakery selection, breakfast pastries, butter and preserves


Choice of Main Courses
Cheese omelette, chicken sausage and roasted potatoes

French toast with apple compote

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As you can tell I selected the French toast with some coffee. From the bread basket I took a mini croissant and a mini baguette. Just like dinner, breakfast did not disappoint, it was truly a masterpiece. The French toast was warm and slightly toasted and the apple compote was a perfect companion, much better than maple syrup. The fruits were fresh and chilled and the raspberry yogurt rounded it off perfectly.
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The crew collected the empty trays and passed out hot towels just as the sun started showing through the window. The captain came just then and informed us that we would start our descent into Charles De Gaulle within the next five minutes. He mentioned there would be a slight ATC delay due to some heavy traffic. However, since we were arriving well before out scheduled arrival time, we would still be early.
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Arrival & Transit: We touched down on a very wet runway near Terminal 1 which afforded me with some spectacular views of aircraft. However, one special aircraft that caught my attention was a Singapore Airlines 777-300ER. I could not help but be envious of those lucky passengers that had got to try out Singapore Airlines’ new travel concept.
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After another 10 minutes we taxied to our gate, the last gate in Terminal 2C. As we exited the aircraft we were each wished an “au revoir” by the cabin crew. Upon entering the terminal there was an Air France transfer desk where I handed a gentleman my boarding pass. “Mumbai is departing from gate A40, go downstairs and take a bus to Terminal 2A; not E or F, A!” I thanked him and attempted to follow the signs pointing downstairs.

Upon reaching the bottom floor there was a lady screaming at the top of her lungs “Terminals E and F, go to the bus.” I stood on the side but it was amazing to see the number of passengers still running to the bus without even checking where the bus was going. Once the bus was full it departed and another bus almost instantly came by, however it too was heading for E and F. By this point the small room was bustling with activity, there was hardly any room to stand. Eventually this bus left and one for A, B and D showed up. Before the glass doors had even opened everyone started pushing and shoving towards the door. Thankfully, I was already at the front when this happened and just stood my ground no matter how hard the crowd starting pushing behind me. The French lady manning the doors, smiled at me, opened the door and said “go for it.” Once every nook and cranny of the bus had been filled, we headed for Terminal A.

Once we reached Terminal A, I got off the bus and followed the signs for Gate 40. I walked to that security point and did the whole emptying the contents of my pocket and laptop all over again. This process took close to ten minutes due to the large crowd and extremely sluggish security personnel who were taking their sweet time processing each passenger. Eventually, I took the escalator up and proceeded towards a duty free shop to buy some cologne for myself.

After that I walked around between Gate A40 and A48. I could not spot a single Air France lounge. I saw signs for EL AL, Cathay Pacific, American’s Admirals Club, Continental’s Presidents Club, and Air Canada’s Maple Leaf Lounge. I was just about to give up and head to the Presidents Club when I spotted an Air France employee. I asked where the nearest AF Salon was and he said it was opposite gate 51, I would have to go upstairs and go around to the other side and go back down. Its times like this I longed for Amsterdam Schiphol and its user friendly layout.

Five minutes later I was at the Air France Salon where I was greeted with a smile. One look at my boarding pass and I was shown inside. I sat down at one of the tables and grabbed a cappuccino with a nice glass of sweet mango juice. There was more than enough choice in terms of food and drink in this lounge, the only thing missing was a selection of hot food. I sat down and relaxed for a bit and took in the views of the planes outside.
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Around 9:30, I headed on over to gate A40 the same way I got to lounge, going upstairs followed by going downstairs. On the way I spotted the Air Tahiti Nui crew and I must say they looked amazing in their different shades of blue. Maybe someday I will make it down to Tahiti, until then I will have to make do with staring at the A340 at airports across the globe.


Air France 134
Paris (CDG) - Mumbai
Boeing 777-300ER (F-GSQH)
Seat: 4L
Scheduled Departure Time: 10:35
Actual Departure Time: 11:51
Scheduled Arrival Time: 23:30
Actual Arrival Time: 0:36

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Boarding: As I approached the gate, a small group had already gathered in front of the boarding gate despite the fact that boarding had not even begun yet. Once again, I stood to the side and watched the impatient passengers go nowhere. At exactly 9:35 boarding commenced with passengers traveling with children and those needing assistance. Then everyone started shoving their way to the front despite the ground staff saying general boarding had not commenced. I was standing to the side watching this circus unfold when all of a sudden one of the agents throws his hands up in the air and screams at the crowd “look, we are just boarding first and business class only!” At that point all of us on the side looked at each other to make sure we heard right as no announcement had been made. Thankfully they were ready for First, Business and Elites so we all queued up orderly on one side and had our boarding passes scanned with a “bon voyage.”

On the jetway we were held up for at least ten minutes as I suspect the crew were not ready for us. Once onboard I was greeted with a smile by a female flight attendant who I later found out was the chief purser. “Monsieur Tamboowala, your seat is across the aisle and will be the second row behind the First Class cabin. Have a good flight.” What a greeting!

I stored my bags in the overhead bin and took my jacket off and hung it up on the hangar that had been placed at my seat. Just as I finished that a younger looking male F/A was in the aisle, “Monsieur, est-ce que je peux prendre votre manteau?” As I sat down I began to think about how different the crew was acting on this flight compared to the last. Soon enough my French neighbor showed up and we exchanged a “bonjour.” Just as the last flight, everything had already been placed on our seats.
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10:30 rolled by and we were still at gate and the front door was open. The pilot came on to welcome us onboard and inform us that we would be experiencing a delay today and as a number of passengers had been held up at security today. We would be close to 45 minutes late in departure as we were missing close to 60 passengers. To keep us happy, the crew brought around the standard orange juice and champagne tray as a pre departure drink.
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Close to 11:30 the captain came on again and said that we were missing around four passengers so we would have to incur a further delay as their bags had to be offloaded. Meanwhile, the crew came around with the newspaper trolley followed by some hot towels.
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We finally pushed back at 11:51 and taxied to the far end of the runway overtaking an Air France 744, Air France A340, and an Air Algeria A330.

The Flight: We rocketed down a rather wet and sunny runway into the French country side. This was my first Boeing 777-300ER flight and I must say, this thing is a beast, and more than just a little loud on take off.
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Once the seatbelt sign had turned off, the crew came around to distribute menus and hot towels. This was followed by an announcement that the AVOD system had been started so I eagerly pushed the “on” button. Sadly the result was not what I had hoped, a black screen. Dang it! Nothing would work; it looked like my entire system had frozen. I just sat there reading the menu over till the chief purser came by to greet me. “Monsieur Tamboowala, welcome onboard. My name is Jaqueline and I am your chief purser today. If there is anything you need today, please do not hesitate to ask me. I always like to take special care of our Elites.” I smiled, introduced myself and thanked her for being so on top of things. I also informed her of my PTV dilemma. “Oh. I will re-set the system. Till then do not touch any buttons. I will check back with you in a moment Monsieur.”

A minute later a middle aged female flight attendant came around with a tray of champagne and the standard box of salted cashews.
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The chief purser appeared a few minutes later, “Monsieur Tamboowala, I have re set the system, would you like to check to see if it is working?” Thankfully it was. I elected to watch “Miami Vice” this time round. Before I knew it, my empty champagne glass was collected and the appetizer cart came through the aisle. The white table cloth was ever so gently placed on my tray table and the middle aged flight attendant asked me, “Monsieur
vous font décider sur votre entrée?” Since French is not my language I assumed she was asking me for my choice of entrée. The lunch menu for today:


Traditional Service

Choice of Hor d’Oeurve

Foie gras with spices and fig chutney

Peppered fillet of salmon and pasta salad with trout roe


Choice of Main Courses
Fillet of red snapper served with vegetable ragout and saffron potatoes

Indian speciality: “Pulao, choley masala, bairgan masala,” rice with chickpeas and spiced eggplant


Plat du Jour (Plate of the Day)
Fillet of free-range chicken
A fillet of chicken is served with port wine sauce.
It is accompanied by cumin mashed potatoes and vegetables sautéed in sesame oil


Our Special Selection of Cheese
Camembert, Cabécou, Fourme d’Ambert

Assortment of Desserts
Farmer’s cheese entremets with mango, Peruvian chocolate cake, sherbet served with cookies, choice of fresh fruit
Espresso is served at out bar Espace


Express Service
If you would like more time to work or relax, this chilled meal is offered in place of the traditional service: hors d’oeuvre of your choice, our special selection of cheese and pastry
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As you can tell from the picture, I decided the salmon was the best option. I accompanied it with a small baguette and a nice glass of red Burgundy. All I can say is the salmon was wonderful, and the pasta salad was amazing. I am not a fan of roe but I could not even taste it, it was really an excellent appetizer dish, I could easily have asked for seconds.
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A short while later my empty appetizer plate was exchanged for the chicken dish along with another mini baguette and more wine. Once again, the meal was excellent. The chicken was soft and moist and the wine sauce was excellent. The cumin mashed potatoes were a nice twist on a classic dish.
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A cheese plate was offered while I was in the midst of my entrée and since I had declined it on the last flight, I figured this was my only chance to sample it. The cheese was excellent as well, even though I am not much of a cheese person, this plate was excellent and gave me a good chance to try something that I normally do not eat.
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Soon enough my favorite part of the meal came by, dessert. My face immediately lit up as I saw the trolley to which the middle aged flight attendant noticed and smiled with a “Monsieur ce qui vous aimez pour le dessert?” I selected the Peruvian chocolate cake, some cherry sorbet, and cookies to go with it. I declined the fruit basket as well as well as the cheese entremets with mango as I was scared the button was going to fly off my pants. Once again, Air France did a spectacular job with the dessert, simply amazing.

Once the tray had been collected I, reclined the seat and attempted to take a nap. I think all that alcohol finally caught up with me, I was out for a solid hour and half, which is amazing for me. I woke just as the sun was setting somewhere over Turkey.
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I put my PTV on and played some Air France trivia for a while. I eventually got up to use the lavatory and take a pen out of my lap top case in the overhead bin. Just as I did that, the chief purser approached me,
“Monsieur Tamboowala, how is the flight for you so far? Is there anything you need?”
“I am fine at the moment, thank you very much for asking.”
“If you need anything, please goes ahead and ask me. I will be in galley.”
I thanked her and sat back down and started up “Pirates of the Caribbean 2.”
Before I knew it, the crew were about with a pile of white table cloths placing them on our tray tables.
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Light Meal

Moroccan-style salmon pie with lemon balm cream sauce and Chinese-style Vegetables

Yogurt
Fresh fruit

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The pie was served with some bread and my choice of beverage, which was coke. The pie was outstanding and very unique. The fruits were fresh and had an excellent kick to them thanks to the ginger-fig concoction placed on top. The yogurt was as good as pre-packed yogurt goes, on the whole another fantastic meal from Air France.

The trays were cleaned up and landing cards were handed out by the crew. The pilot came on and announced that we would be beginning out descent shortly into Mumbai but due to some heavy traffic, we would circle once or twice before landing. I made another quick trip to the lavatory and was standing by the exit just as we hit some turbulence and the seatbelt sign came on. The young male flight attendant standing in the galley smiled at me and said “don’t worry, as long as you hold on to something you should be fine.” The other passenger and I let out a bit of a chuckle at that. The male flight attendant looked at my shirt and pointed to the upper left pocket and along with the best French-English accent I have ever heard said, “I luv Abercroumbie, dey are my favourite plaze to shop in de US of A.” I nearly fell over laughing as at that moment he was the splitting image of one of my French-Canadian friends who is currently a flight attendant with one of the legacy carriers in the US.
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Hot towels were passed out one last time and the crew prepared the cabin for landing. I put my PTV on the outside camera so I could get some night time views of the city I was born in.
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Arrival: After some hard breaking, we taxied off the runway and I got to spot some aircraft I have not seen before. Besides the standard Indian and Jet Airways aircraft, the ramp was littered with the new comers to the airline industry as well as a handful of International carriers.
Kingfisher A320
Air Sahara 737-800
Go A320 (Blue)
Go A320 (Green)
Spicejet 737-800
Indigo A320
Air Deccan A320
Indian Airlines A300
Swiss A330-200
Alitalia 767-300
Delta Air Lines 777-200 (just landed ahead of us)
Austrian Airlines 767-300 (Still in Lauda Air colors)
Singapore Airlines 777-300
Air India 747-400
Air India 777-200 (the one from EWR and CDG-landed 10 minutes before us)
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Once we docked at out gate, I wished the chief purser a good day and thanked her for a good flight. She smiled, thanked me and wished me a pleasant stay in Mumbai. I began the trek towards immigration trying to keep ahead of the entire 77W crowd that was about to follow behind me.

I headed towards the escalator where we converged with the passengers that were walking off their Delta flight from New York/JFK, the airport that I will be flying to in four weeks. This new immigration set up was excellent. There were a number of counters opened and everyone had to form a queue which moved extremely fast. I never thought I would ever see the day that immigration would be hassle free in Mumbai. Good job! There were a number of passengers yelling at officials as they were all being asked to fill out new immigration forms. Turns out good old Delta had given each passenger the wrong immigration forms. It is always good to see Delta winning the customer over with their “new and improved” service. I for one am sticking to my decision to stay away from Delta International until things actually improve. No matter how many new routes they start, new uniforms their staff wear, new tiled lavatory floors they add to their aircraft, or upholster new leather to their seats, I know things are the same. The immigration officer stamped my passport and I was on my way to baggage claim. Sadly this was still the small, dingy and crowded area it has always been.

The belt started a few minutes after I arrived and a bunch of priority bags came out and they were take off the belt and put on the side. Regular bags kept coming out and I started to get worried after 30 minutes. There was an Air France ground staff personnel standing next to the pilot and his wife. I asked her if I should be worried since it has been 30 minutes since the last Priority tagged bag came out.
“Don’t worry sir. We are having problems tonight. We have 22 pallets of bags and they have been offloaded randomly. Wait a bit more and I am sure your bag will come.” I was happy with that response but it did not seem like the pilot was. He was screaming at the poor girl,
“This happens every time I fly into Mumbai. My wife has been waiting here for 45 minutes, this is totally unacceptable. Where is the station manager? He should be over seeing this entire process at the airport. This is such crap, why does this only happen in India. What is wrong with your country?”
I felt sorry for the poor girl who was just nodding and trying to apologize to the pilot. I finally spotted my bag at 1:55am, almost an hour and 30 minutes after landing. Considering my bag had a priority tag, this was totally unacceptable on Air France’s part. What is the point of a priority tag if I am going to wait so long at baggage claim? I saw a number of pissed off faces picking up yellow priority tagged bags. As I left the carousel close to 2am, there were still close to 50 passengers waiting including the pilots wife. Customs was quick and within seconds I was out at the greeting area with my dad. Now it was time for the long drive home.

Verdict: On the whole I was not disappointed with Air France, but sadly I was far from impressed. Being a loyal KLM flyer myself, I was hoping that Air France would be along the same lines, if not better. The IFE needs to be looked at; KLM is light years ahead of Air France in this case. The seats are average at best, nothing overly special and lacking in any flexibility. Paris Charles De Gaulle is not a simple airport to maneuver around. I am however going to reserve judgment till all the construction is done as I am sure that causes a lot more problems than normal. One aspect I was really surprised with was the cabin crew, especially the Houston-Paris set. I had read about how friendly and hospitable they were on this website, sadly they did not even come close to the likes of KLM or Swissair (RIP) let alone their Asian counter parts. The lack of walk-arounds coupled with everything already being placed on the seat before boarding leads me to think they are on the lazier side, never have I seen cabin crew do so little on long haul; including US carriers.

If someone can shed some light as to why Air France does things this way, please feel free to enlighten me. Thankfully the Paris-Mumbai set of cabin crew left a far more favorable impression on me; though walk-arounds were still non existent. However I have to say that the catering was out of this world, Air France really knows what they are doing here. All four meals were outstanding and the dessert choices were breath-taking. I can honestly say the four meals I had on these two Air France flights may have been some of the best meals I have had in the air on any airline. Quality is certainly a well exercised word when it comes to Air France catering, I can not praise it enough.

In the future, if I have to spend money, I think I am going to try to stick to KLM. However I am not going to go out of my way to avoid Air France, on the contrary I think Air France has come a long way since some of my flights in the late 90’s, which left a lot to be desired. I think Air France is on the right track to becoming a well respected airline, but for the time being they have a bit more work to do before they can be in the top league like many other well reputable carriers. Good job so far Air France.

Score:
Air France 033
Check In: 10 (Friendly and hassle free, could not ask for anything more)
Lounge: 8 (For an outstation, very nice. Could use more food and free wireless)
Boarding: 9 (Good enough if not a little disorganized)
Seat: 7 (Needs some work, especially in sleep mode)
Aircraft: 10 (In perfect shape, or maybe I have been flying NW’s dinosaurs too long)
Crew: 5 (Big disappointment here, especially the disappearing act between meals)
Meal: 10 (Might be some of the best catering around)
Entertainment: 7 (AVOD does not cut it anymore these days, needs more choices)

CDG L’Espace Lounge: 8 (Needs showers in all lounges, not a select few. Some hot food options would be nice, otherwise it is a pretty good lounge)

Air France134
Boarding: 6 (Disorganized and no actual announcement for premium passengers was a turn off)
Seat: 7 (Same as the last flight)
Aircraft: 10 (Once again plane was immaculate inside and out)
Crew: 8 (This set was friendlier and much more personable than the last, however they fall short by KLM standards)
Meal: 10 (Once again, some of the best catering around)
Entertainment: 7 (Needs more choices)
Arrival: 5 (A mess and a half, but I blame this more on BOM than AF)

Total: 129/160=0.79
Air France scored an 79%

Please feel free to criticize or comment. I hope you found it a good read and if you have any tips or concerns for my future trip reports, please let me know. Thanks.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: 9V
Posted 2006-12-22 19:04:33 and read 32767 times.

Excellent - thanks for sharing. Food looked really good.

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: ANITIX87
Posted 2006-12-22 20:05:04 and read 32767 times.

Quoting SR 103 (Thread starter):
selected “My Super Ex Girlfriend” as my dinner feature tonight.

That's too bad. Scoop and Pirates of the Caribbean are both excellent movies. Unless, of course, you'd already seen them.

Great report, though. I want to fly on AF one day, I've heard only good things.

TIS

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: ContinentalEWR
Posted 2006-12-22 21:01:35 and read 32767 times.

Outstanding report. Loved the safety video, and the male flight attendant doing the english translation is HOT!

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: DALelite
Posted 2006-12-22 21:54:24 and read 32767 times.

Outstanding report. Great pics. Food looks very good!

Belive me, things are changing on DL int.flights. I went to N.Y.C. for christmas
shopping. Three weeks ago, and i must say that the service in coach was superb.

regards: DALelite

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Mk777
Posted 2006-12-22 23:22:05 and read 32767 times.

excellent report....however i guess traveling on biz class is different than economy and your trip seemed very relaxed and enjoyable, the food looks great. Besides you get the 77W from CDG-BOM, whereas they have the rickety old 744 from CDG-DEL, which is pathetic.

I shall see what AF will offer, will try to write a report as well

thanks for sharing  Smile

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: SOBHI51
Posted 2006-12-23 00:53:15 and read 32767 times.

I used to love flying with AF not anymore.
F seats new and old are the worst in the air there always a lump somewhere on their seats.
In my experience the food went from good to bad to terrible.
Wines served on this French airline are cheap and below average.
Flew with them CDG-BEY-CDG in F but dew to the war in Lebanon all AF flights were cancelled.When i returned my BEY-CDG coupon for refund i only got 30% of the ticket price and not 50%  

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Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Planemanofnz
Posted 2006-12-23 01:30:53 and read 32767 times.

Thanks, that was a great trip report! Can't wait to read about your DL flight to BOM soon!

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Ryanair!!!
Posted 2006-12-23 03:12:21 and read 32767 times.

Wow... great report. AF looks like they provide excellent catering from what I see.

Also, I love the way they have matched the colours in JCL. It looks so chic! Trust the French to do this right.

Quoting SR 103 (Thread starter):
The white table cloth was ever so gently placed on my tray table and the middle aged flight attendant asked me, “Monsieur
vous font décider sur votre entrée?”

I hate this. I don't think it is right for them to assume that you speak French. But nevertheless, it adds to the whole experience of flying AF, I guess!

Looking forward to more reports from you soon.

Ryan

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: 767747
Posted 2006-12-23 05:28:10 and read 32767 times.

Wow, amazing report! Air France Business Class looks really nice! Great photos of the food and of the views out the window.

767747

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: HB-IWC
Posted 2006-12-23 08:16:18 and read 32767 times.

Great report, once again, and glad to have you back posting trip reports after a year of international grounding. It seems as if you had a pretty typical Air France experience. Crews tend to be hit or miss, as are the aircraft interiors, for that matter. The 15 remaining non-retrofitted B772ERs leave a lot to be desired. That said, the reconfigured frames, as well as the entire A332 and A343 fleets, most of the B744s, and the flagship B773ERs are by and large in immaculate condition.

Just like you, I believe that Air France has completely missed the boat when it comes to IFE. Until recently, only 6 video channels were available, so the recent increase to 12 was announced as a big improvement. Air France should really take a look at the offerings of partner KLM in its B772/A332 fleet. There is really no comparison. And let's not even talk about EK's ICE system...

As a European, I tend to agree with you on Air France's catering - a decent meal with fair portions -, although I find the menus often times a bit uninspired a lacking variation for frequent AF flyers. That said, some of my Asian friends disagree with my judgment and don't like AF's food offerings at all. I do believe that they could offer a bit more choices, and they should really do something about the miserable menu booklet that is being handed out and is missing any sense of grandeur. Air France does have a problem with their F catering though. Menu options in F are largely the same as those in C and are severly lacking the exclusivity of a true international First Class.

Finally, and as a side note, I really wonder how long airlines like AF and KL will be able to hold on to a 2-3-2 lay out in the B777 C-class. Note that SQ has just launched a new travel concept on its new B773ER with the launching route being Singapore - Paris, in direct competition with Air France, which operates exactly the same aircraft type on the route. That is 1-2-1 at SQ vs 2-3-2 at AF. Not much of a choice really, and I truly believe that the days of the middle seat in C should soon be coming to an end.

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: SR 103
Posted 2006-12-23 13:52:00 and read 32767 times.

Quoting 9V (Reply 1):
Excellent - thanks for sharing. Food looked really good.

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 2):
That's too bad. Scoop and Pirates of the Caribbean are both excellent movies. Unless, of course, you'd already seen them.

Pirates of the Caribbean was my lunch feature out of CDG... You are right, it was a great movie.

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Reply 3):
Outstanding report.

Thanks for the praise.

Quoting DALelite (Reply 4):
Belive me, things are changing on DL int.flights. I went to N.Y.C. for christmas
shopping. Three weeks ago, and i must say that the service in coach was superb.

I hope you are right. I have been flying DL for years both up front and in the back. I can honestly say that I really do not have anything positive to say about the airline. Maybe someday I'll get the courage to try them internationally again.

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 5):
Besides you get the 77W from CDG-BOM, whereas they have the rickety old 744 from CDG-DEL, which is pathetic.

I never thought I would see the day when the 744 would be considered "rickety and old." Maybe once AF re-configures all their 744's, it may not be so bad for DEL

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 5):
I shall see what AF will offer, will try to write a report as well

I can't wait to read it.

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 6):
I used to love flying with AF not anymore.
F seats new and old are the worst in the air there always a lump somewhere on their seats.
In my experience the food went from good to bad to terrible.
Wines served on this French airline are cheap and below average.

I would not rate Air France overly high but I did not think they were that bad. Maybe I have been flying too many US airlines as of recent, my standards are not as high as they used to be.  Wink

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 7):
Thanks, that was a great trip report! Can't wait to read about your DL flight to BOM soon!

Thanks for the compliment. However I am already in BOM and I am not flying Delta back to JFK. I am flying Korean Air, but I will be sure to post a trip report.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 8):
Wow... great report. AF looks like they provide excellent catering from what I see.
Also, I love the way they have matched the colours in JCL. It looks so chic! Trust the French to do this right.

Those are the two things you can seem to rely on Air France for, food and decor.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 8):
I hate this. I don't think it is right for them to assume that you speak French. But nevertheless, it adds to the whole experience of flying AF, I guess!

It may add to the experience but it was some what annoying that they would continue to speak in French despite knowing that 90% of the cabin was not French. While I speak German, never once have the cabin crew on LH, OS, or SR assumed I understood them till I spoke to them in German first.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 8):
Looking forward to more reports from you soon.

Assuming everything goes to plan, I should have a Korean Air BOM-ICN-JFK trip report posted sometime next month. However I for one am not expecting an encore of the MH experience.

Quoting 767747 (Reply 9):
Wow, amazing report! Air France Business Class looks really nice! Great photos of the food and of the views out the window.

Thanks glad you liked the pictures.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
Great report, once again, and glad to have you back posting trip reports after a year of international grounding.

Thanks, its good to be traveling internationally again. You never know how much you miss it till you stop.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
Crews tend to be hit or miss, as are the aircraft interiors, for that matter.

I had always heard such great things about AF, so I was a little surprised to say the least with my experience.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
Just like you, I believe that Air France has completely missed the boat when it comes to IFE.

I really wonder what happened, why such sub par IFE offerings? They seemed to have poured enough money into everything else.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
although I find the menus often times a bit uninspired a lacking variation for frequent AF flyers.

As someone who has the NW and CO domestic F meals down to memory, I know exactly how you feel.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
some of my Asian friends disagree with my judgment and don't like AF's food offerings at all.

I can see why, the menu had a very Western theme and that may not be appreciated by some Asians.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
I do believe that they could offer a bit more choices, and they should really do something about the miserable menu booklet that is being handed out and is missing any sense of grandeur.

I hate to say it, but I think my standards have slipped dramatically to a point where as long as I get a menu, I am content. You are right though; a few more choices could not hurt.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
Air France does have a problem with their F catering though. Menu options in F are largely the same as those in C and are severly lacking the exclusivity of a true international First Class.

To think I nearly spent the extra miles to fly F. I think it would have been a total waste of miles.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
Finally, and as a side note, I really wonder how long airlines like AF and KL will be able to hold on to a 2-3-2 lay out in the B777 C-class.

I had complained about that back in 2004 when I flew KL's brand new(at that time) 777 in WBC.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
Note that SQ has just launched a new travel concept on its new B773ER with the launching route being Singapore - Paris, in direct competition with Air France, which operates exactly the same aircraft type on the route.

Seeing that SQ 77W at CDG made me long for the good old days when all I used to fly was CX, SQ, and SR. Now I understand why my father insisted on solely booking those three carriers when I was a kid.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Mk777
Posted 2006-12-23 14:54:44 and read 32767 times.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 11):
I never thought I would see the day when the 744 would be considered "rickety and old." Maybe once AF re-configures all their 744's, it may not be so bad for DEL

However, i am still excited to be flying on the 744 as it will be first since 2000 or 2001. I think HB-IWC will be able to tell for sure how good and nice the 744s are for the CDG-DEL flight!! My wife didn't like the fact that they didn't have ptvs...i guess she has been spoiled by KL and OS.

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2006-12-23 16:48:05 and read 32767 times.

Great report, and you are spot on about AF service. There are some good folks working for them, but it often leaves a lot to be desired. Food, OTOH, is a whole different ballgame.

Quoting SR 103 (Thread starter):
I for one am sticking to my decision to stay away from Delta International until things actually improve.

DALElite is right. In the past 12 to 18 months, things have gotten a world better.

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: EWS
Posted 2006-12-23 17:01:36 and read 32767 times.

Fantasic Report, well written and the pictures are superb. Many thanks for sharing.

Lew

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Lufthansa747
Posted 2006-12-23 18:42:44 and read 32767 times.

Great report as always!

I agree the AVOD looks weak, but the food looks like F class compared to the junk that Finnair and Lufthansa usually serve in C.

Lari

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Abrelosojos
Posted 2006-12-23 22:29:35 and read 32767 times.

First of all, an excellent trip report. I thought it was very objective and well structured. I like writing TRs and truly enjoy reading them as well. Good job. Your experience on AF sounds very typical of J-class. Nothing great; but not bad either. A few comments:

Quoting SR 103 (Thread starter):
“Monsieur Tamboowala, welcome onboard. My name is Jaqueline and I am your chief purser today. If there is anything you need today, please do not hesitate to ask me. I always like to take special care of our Elites.”

= Wow. There is hope for AF after all. I hope Jaqueline could tell her peers to do the same; irrespective of class of service. Good work Jaqueline.

Quoting SR 103 (Thread starter):
One aspect I was really surprised with was the cabin crew, especially the Houston-Paris set. I had read about how friendly and hospitable they were on this website, sadly they did not even come close to the likes of KLM or Swissair (RIP) let alone their Asian counter parts. The lack of walk-arounds coupled with everything already being placed on the seat before boarding leads me to think they are on the lazier side, never have I seen cabin crew do so little on long haul; including US carriers.

= This is my biggest problem with AF crew. They just disappear and don't do any runs or answer the call button ever. Try being in Y and ringing your call button. I have had many poor experiences that I stopped flying them altogether ... though, I have an LBV-CDG scheduled in 2 months in J.

Also, agreed that KL is FAR FAR superior to AF. Perhaps they should mix the crews a bit so they can learn from each other?

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
As a European, I tend to agree with you on Air France's catering - a decent meal with fair portions -, although I find the menus often times a bit uninspired a lacking variation for frequent AF flyers.

= In an age when Europe looks increasingly inward (and why I left), I am very impressed when Europeans add the disclaimer, "as a European..."; this shows maturity and appreciation for a globalized world with different tastes. Way to go.

Cheers,
A.

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Semsem
Posted 2006-12-23 22:52:19 and read 32767 times.

Even Y on AF was excellent on a recent flight to the USA. Except for Roissy airport which I don't like.

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Flpuck6
Posted 2006-12-24 04:33:25 and read 32767 times.

Quoting 9V (Reply 1):
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 10):
Air France does have a problem with their F catering though. Menu options in F are largely the same as those in C and are severly lacking the exclusivity of a true international First Class.

To think I nearly spent the extra miles to fly F. I think it would have been a total waste of miles.

I beg to differ. Have a look at my trip report in F (old and new) on AF :

Part I http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/85161/1/
Part II http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/85163/1/
Part III http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/85166/1/
Part IV http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/85167/1/

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: HB-IWC
Posted 2006-12-24 06:03:55 and read 32767 times.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 11):
Maybe once AF re-configures all their 744's, it may not be so bad for DEL

The problem with the CDG DEL route is that it is served with one of the 2 remaining non-reconfigured B744s this winter. As I said above, the 15 B772s that haven't had the cabin retrofit are shoddy and worn, and the same goes for the 2 remaining B744s in this configuration, which are bound to become freighters in the course of 2007. Next winter, DEL should see reconfigured AF B744s, although most of them don't feature PTVs in Y either. As a side note, KLM's B744s, both reconfigured and non-reconfigured, do not and will not have PTVs in Y either.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 11):
To think I nearly spent the extra miles to fly F. I think it would have been a total waste of miles.

Well, the food and wine selection is sub par for sure, and in the past couple of months I have seen a virtually identical menu in F as the one in C, with one extra option for each course. The IFE in F is obviously the same as in C as well. That said, and unlike one of the previous poster, I find the new F seats comfortable and spacious and the 4-seat F cabin in the B772 is very private. The non-reconfigured F-class, with is terrible 2-2-2 configuration, is to be avoided at all cost.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 16):
Also, agreed that KL is FAR FAR superior to AF.

Many people would disagree with you, and I tend to believe that both airlines have distinct strengths and weaknesses. KLM's biggest asset is its Schiphol homebase which is heaven when compared to AF's CDG quagmire. KLM is also the clear winner with its new IFE on the B772 and A332, but it should be mentioned that the entire 22-strong B744 fleet, operating some of the airline's longest sectors, will not be reconfigured with PTVs in Y.

On the other hand, I feel that AF beats KLM hands down when it comes to longhaul catering. Although their F offerings are abysmal, AF's Affaires catering is of very decent quality and portions are generous compared to some of the stuff I've had to eat on KLM longhauls recently. In all fairness, I have to add that KLM's longhaul catering has been revamped effective December 01 and that I haven't tried the new product yet.

A problem that both carriers are facing is the slippery slope business class seat. I find neither AF's nor KLM's new C-seat very conducive for sleeping on long overnight sectors and I actually much prefer the old KLM WBC seats, which may still be found on 20 non-reconfigured B744s, as well as the old AF Affaires seats on the non-retrofitted B772s. I don't understand how, in this day and age, both airlines (as well as quite some others) keep investing in seats that have received constant negative reviews from frequent flyers, while other airlines seem to be leaping ahead and are already installing seats which are 2 or 3 generations ahead of the tilted slippery creatures that one has to endure on AF, KL and quite some other companies.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 16):
In an age when Europe looks increasingly inward (and why I left), I am very impressed when Europeans add the disclaimer, "as a European..."; this shows maturity and appreciation for a globalized world with different tastes. Way to go.

Interesting remark there. I think my original remark stems from many years of living abroad, first as a student and now as an expat, during which many of the perceived differences between Europeans hailing from different nations have faded and I have come to focus on the values and heritage we share. Here in Indonesia, when asked about our origin, most of the Europeans I know as well as myself would always refer to Europe first before mentioning any individual country.

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(p
Username: B747-437B
Posted 2006-12-24 07:48:12 and read 32767 times.

Good report Anosh. I flew the same CDG-BOM route a few days after you albeit in F class and had a quite mixed experience. My primary gripe was that my seat didn't recline properly, so I had to spend the entire journey seated largely upright in the F suite. The crew were very apologetic, but did mention that this particular seat had been a DMI in the cabin log for a while now. Catering and service were of an extremely high standard though - and the crew were far better than what I usually experience with KLM. Ground services at CDG 2-A were worse than woeful however.

As for the 2-3-2 config in Business Class, I have once asked for a voluntary downgrade on a KL M11 when they tried to stick me in the middle seat. I told them I preferred to fly in a Y-aisle seat than a J-middle. After a little fussing around, they accomodated me in an aisle seat in J, but I truly would have preferred the Y-aisle to the J-middle.

[Edited 2006-12-24 07:53:42]

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Cgnnrw
Posted 2006-12-24 11:05:41 and read 32767 times.

Very good report. I enjoyed the many details which some posters here tend to leave out. The photos were great too.

I'm always amazed at the people who hang around the gate like vultures circling above roadkill. I wouldn't necessarily blame it on AF.

One question: the pre-flight drink on the IAH-CDG flight was served in glass. I thought this was not allowed on flights departing the US?

I'm a big AF fan. I usually choose them whenever I fly to the US because I think their econ product is much better than all US carriers. I hope to expierience AFs C Class sometime in near future.

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Zoom1018
Posted 2006-12-24 14:46:32 and read 32767 times.

Very good report with great details. Thanks for sharing.

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Brilondon
Posted 2006-12-24 15:19:56 and read 32767 times.

Excellent trip report thanks very much. I especially enjoyed your pictures.

I have one question. How could you not find a comfortable sleeping position in C class with all the options to adjust your seat. I usually find a comfortable position in Y class.  biggrin 

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: SR 103
Posted 2006-12-24 19:44:38 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 12):
However, i am still excited to be flying on the 744 as it will be first since 2000 or 2001.

I know the feeling. Once upon a time all I used to fly were 747's, now I have not flown one in almost two years and most likely won't anytime soon. My Seoul-New York flight is on a 772 believe it or not!

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
Great report, and you are spot on about AF service. There are some good folks working for them, but it often leaves a lot to be desired. Food, OTOH, is a whole different ballgame.

Thanks for the compliment. I think I now know what to expect on my future AF flights. I think I just caught off guard a little bit with the cabin crew.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
DALElite is right. In the past 12 to 18 months, things have gotten a world better.

Note taken. I will muster up the courage to fly them International some day. For now they keep my stress levels high enough when flying domestically.

Quoting EWS (Reply 14):
Fantasic Report, well written and the pictures are superb. Many thanks for sharing.

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 15):
but the food looks like F class compared to the junk that Finnair and Lufthansa usually serve in C.

My father (an LH Elite) made the exact same comment as you. Though I have been hearing some very positive stuff about their cabin crew lately, is LH on its way up?

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 16):
I like writing TRs and truly enjoy reading them as well. Good job.

Thank you. I have also enjoyed reading your reports in the past.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 16):
Also, agreed that KL is FAR FAR superior to AF. Perhaps they should mix the crews a bit so they can learn from each other?

While in theory that may be a good idea, I am not so sure it would have the positive effect you think it would. Back in the late 90's SR and DL exchanged cabin crew on their US-Switzerland flights. I remember the poor DL F/A sticking out like a sore thumb when compared to the SR F/A's serving the same cabin. I don’t think it did anyone any good.

Quoting Semsem (Reply 17):
Even Y on AF was excellent on a recent flight to the USA. Except for Roissy airport which I don't like.

The CDG experience always leaves a lot to be desired. It seems to be standard complaint amongst everyone flying through the airport.

Quoting Flpuck6 (Reply 18):
I beg to differ. Have a look at my trip report in F (old and new) on AF

I did read your excellent trip reports. I should have rephrased myself above. Flying Blue was trying to charge me full F miles redemption for the USA-BOM trip but would have still put me in C on the Trans Atlantic leg since most flights are now two class out of the US. That is why I think it would have been a waste of miles as I would have had to fly C on one leg

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 19):
I find the new F seats comfortable and spacious and the 4-seat F cabin in the B772 is very private.

Maybe sometime in the future I will spend the miles for F on AF. Though to be honest, if I spend such a large chunk of miles on F, KE or MH may yield better value.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 19):
KLM's biggest asset is its Schiphol homebase which is heaven when compared to AF's CDG quagmire.

You hit it on the nail there. I am sure everyone will agree with you 110%.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 19):
On the other hand, I feel that AF beats KLM hands down when it comes to longhaul catering.

The few meals I had on AF this time certainly beat anything I have received on KL in the past 5 years of flying them.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 19):
I don't understand how, in this day and age, both airlines (as well as quite some others) keep investing in seats that have received constant negative reviews from frequent flyers, while other airlines seem to be leaping ahead and are already installing seats which are 2 or 3 generations ahead of the tilted slippery creatures that one has to endure on AF, KL and quite some other companies.

I agree; the seat is not overly comfortable. I actually found British Airways' full flat Club World seat back in 2001 to be great. So far the airline I can tolerate the most with the angled seat are CX(soon to be no more) and believe it or not, NW.

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 20):
The crew were very apologetic, but did mention that this particular seat had been a DMI in the cabin log for a while now.

Good to see AF learning a thing or two from KLM; too bad its one of their bad habits.

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 20):
the crew were far better than what I usually experience with KLM.

Maybe they were attentive due to your special circumstances. Good to see AF is capable of surpassing KL in this area, though it was F.

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 20):
I have once asked for a voluntary downgrade on a KL M11 when they tried to stick me in the middle seat.

I remember that story. YYZ or YUL wasn't it?

Quoting Cgnnrw (Reply 21):
One question: the pre-flight drink on the IAH-CDG flight was served in glass. I thought this was not allowed on flights departing the US?

I believe that only applies to domestic flights. I have received pre departure drinks in glass on both NW and CO on International flights.

Quoting Cgnnrw (Reply 21):
I'm a big AF fan. I usually choose them whenever I fly to the US because I think their econ product is much better than all US carriers.

No argument there from me, I could not agree with you more. International Airlines over US Airlines whenever possible in my opinion.

Quoting Zoom1018 (Reply 22):
Very good report with great details. Thanks for sharing.

Thanks, glad you liked it.

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 23):
Excellent trip report thanks very much. I especially enjoyed your pictures.

Thanks for the kind words; I try my best with the camera.

Quoting Brilondon (Reply 23):
I have one question. How could you not find a comfortable sleeping position in C class with all the options to adjust your seat. I usually find a comfortable position in Y class.

Consider yourself lucky then. I am one of those unfortunate people that can not sleep on planes. Coach is an absolute no for me. I have flown Trans-Atlantic in coach and no matter how tired I am; sleep never comes to me. As far as business class, it rarely happens. The only time I ever had sound sleep was on a SFO-HKG flight on CX back when they had just introduced the angled sleeper seats in 2001. Four hours of solid sleep on a 15 hour and 45 minute flight is a miracle by my standards.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Mk777
Posted 2006-12-25 01:40:12 and read 32767 times.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 24):
My Seoul-New York flight is on a 772 believe it or not!

Well you could have flown from IAD-ICN, it would have been KE's 744  Wink

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: SkyteamLAX
Posted 2006-12-25 09:23:04 and read 32767 times.

Thanks for sharing, excellent report and pics!... You have captured what I exactly look for in a trip report... happy flying and keep those great trip reports coming!

Regards,
SkyteamLAX  Smile

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Karan69
Posted 2006-12-25 13:15:32 and read 32767 times.

Excellent report Anoosh, the pics taken are just great, but coming from a trip report guru like yourself we tend to expect only the best---keep up the good work.

But by the looks of it i will never consider spending premium bucks on AF service if i had a choice, also my dad has flown them on several occasions in economy, he says they are ok not that great, i think ill be better off flying even an EK dense config 772 compared to an AF on a european route.

Karan

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: SR 103
Posted 2006-12-26 10:27:26 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 25):
Well you could have flown from IAD-ICN, it would have been KE's 744

Truth be told, I wanted to fly to Atlanta. However the Mumbai-Seoul flight gets in at the obscure hour of 15:05. Thus I effectively miss the Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Los Angeles (1st flight and 2nd flight), New York (1st flight), and Washington DC as they all depart before 3pm. I am not entirely sure why Korean Air does things this way but there seem to be enough connections to West Coast which is where most of the passengers are heading.

Quoting SkyteamLAX (Reply 26):
Thanks for sharing, excellent report and pics!... You have captured what I exactly look for in a trip report... happy flying and keep those great trip reports coming!

Thank you for the kind words, especially coming from a great trip report writer such as yourself. I'll keep the reports coming just as long as you do the same!

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 27):
Excellent report Anoosh, the pics taken are just great, but coming from a trip report guru like yourself we tend to expect only the best---keep up the good work.

Wow, thanks for that compliment. I guess I have my work cut out for me with my future trip reports.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 27):
i think ill be better off flying even an EK dense config 772 compared to an AF on a european route.

I think we all know how I feel about Emirates. I can't say anything about coach on Air France but up front, I think my preference goes to Air France over Emirates. However Dubai is one heck of an airport to transit through. It’s a tough call though; both airlines seem to be very inconsistent when it comes to in flight service.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Vivekman2006
Posted 2006-12-26 13:31:19 and read 32767 times.

Nice trip report! And lovely pics  Smile

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: DernierVirage
Posted 2006-12-26 19:41:45 and read 32767 times.

Thanks to all who have contributed here - a very interesting post, and especially it is nice to read the civilised exchange of views, which sadly is not very frequent on the site now !

The thread has really forced me to rethink my views about AF, or at least to question them. As I am a very frequent flyer with them (for many years), I usually think that criticism of them is because of one-off incidents, and that you have to fly them often to have a good judgement. However, reading this thread makes me realise that the opposite is true, that if you are a very frequent flyer, then you tend to become less critical, not least because you adapt to the various good and bad points of the airline.

As regards AF, it is very interesting to hear the comments about the key issues of entertainment, food and service.

As regards entertainment, I generally listen to some music, but otherwise have no interest in films or games. It seems from your comments clear that this is an area where the competition is ahead.

The comments above about food are very interesting - I usually fly in F, and normally eat very little and drink nothing on the flight.Thinking about comparable F service on carriers I use in Asia (usually KA and SQ) on shorter haul flights, I can see that there is indeed a difference in quality and extent of choice. I had not thought about the lack of a big difference between J and F class catering on AF, but thinking about my J class flights with them (usually SXM and PTP) I can see that this is indeed an issue.

Service is a sensitive issue - I think I am maybe too well adapted to AF, because I am always very satisfied, but it is true that a non French speaker can easily feel intimidated; certainly it is a very different service environment from the best Asian carriers, but this reflects more general cultural differences, and I cannot see any changes taking place soon !

Concerning the comfort in F class, I agree that the old 772s (2 rows of 2x2x2) were too "cramped", but I find that the new F cabins are very peaceful and restful. Even the 773, where F cabin is with 2 rows of 1x2x1 is very nice, and it is great when travelling alone to be able to sit separately.

The comments made about J class in the 777s is very correct - the 3 seats in the middle is not good, and makes the J cabin feel too cramped, compared with the A343, where the cabin is 2x2x2.

Lastly, it always makes me sad that problems at CDG give a poor image of AF, since these problems are far from being their responsibility.

Anyway, I really enjoyed reading the thread and thinking more about the good and points of AF, hope my comments are interesting to some of you !

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: WhiteBirdFlyer
Posted 2006-12-27 06:59:10 and read 32767 times.

Great report -- thank you!

I've not flown Air France in a number of years, but it is heartening for me to see that they're still doing waaaay above average in terms of in-flight meals. (Which these days may not be saying much, even on AF, but still.)

I shall have to dig up one of of the menus I have (in a box someplace!) from JFK-CDG in 1974 -- the wine list was at least three pages.  Smile And as I recall, not that you'd be interested -heh!- but there were about a half-dozen different kinds of foie gras to choose from. Ah well, that was when they actually had kitchens on-board, too. *smiles*

Again, thanks for the report. Air France is doing some things very well indeed.

Cordially,
WFB

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Vref5
Posted 2006-12-27 09:53:24 and read 32767 times.

Wow. I wish my comments could do your TR justice, but I'm afraid I can't! It's just so good. Photos and insight into Air France's service and food were awesome. Thanks!!!!

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: SR 103
Posted 2006-12-28 13:12:28 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Vivekman2006 (Reply 29):
Nice trip report! And lovely pics

Thanks, glad you liked it.

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 30):
Thanks to all who have contributed here - a very interesting post, and especially it is nice to read the civilised exchange of views, which sadly is not very frequent on the site now !

I could not have said it better myself.

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 30):
However, reading this thread makes me realise that the opposite is true, that if you are a very frequent flyer, then you tend to become less critical, not least because you adapt to the various good and bad points of the airline.

I have noticed that as well. Considering my airline of choice when flying domestically within the United States is the infamous Northwest, I know exactly what you mean. I have found them to be consistent and get me from A to B with a few perks here and there. However I can not tell you the number of people that give me a “dirty” look when I say the airline I fly the most out of choice is Northwest.

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 30):
Service is a sensitive issue

I agree 100%. I have experienced numerous airlines across the globe and to say I have been disappointed on multiple occasions is an understatement. Well known airlines such as Emirates, Virgin Atlantic, and Continental have disappointed me on multiple occasions. Then again I have been blown away by the service I have received on airlines such as KLM, Malaysian, and Air Sahara which are suppose to be rather sub par airlines. Service is a very personal choice and I try to keep perspective when flying different airlines, thus I only compared my AF cabin crew to KL and not any Asian Airlines.

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 30):
but this reflects more general cultural differences, and I cannot see any changes taking place soon !

I am no stranger to the European lifestyle, having lived in Germany for few years myself. I am very aware of the cultural differences as I have lived in no less than five countries in my short lifespan. I by no means expect perfection from the cabin crew, but have flown a number of times with French speaking cabin crew on Swissair, the service has always been fantastic.

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 30):
Lastly, it always makes me sad that problems at CDG give a poor image of AF, since these problems are far from being their responsibility.

I agree. Never the less it does leave a rather unfavorable impression of the airline as a whole. Once upon a time Frankfurt was not overly user-friendly but Lufthansa and the FRA airport authority worked together to improve certain aspects of the terminal. Maybe Air France and CDG need to sit down and devise a plan that could possibly alleviate some of the problems transit passengers face.

Quoting DernierVirage (Reply 30):
Anyway, I really enjoyed reading the thread and thinking more about the good and points of AF, hope my comments are interesting to some of you

Your comments were immensely useful to me at least, thank you for your input. I always wonder sometimes if I am being overly harsh on an airline and hearing from a frequent flyer like yourself lets me know if I was along the right lines.

Quoting WhiteBirdFlyer (Reply 31):
Great report -- thank you!

Thank you, glad you enjoyed it.

Quoting WhiteBirdFlyer (Reply 31):
Again, thanks for the report. Air France is doing some things very well indeed.

That they are. Some airlines could learn a thing or two from Air France.

Quoting Vref5 (Reply 32):
Wow. I wish my comments could do your TR justice, but I'm afraid I can't! It's just so good. Photos and insight into Air France's service and food were awesome. Thanks!!!!

Wow, thank you for the kind words. I hope my next report will live up to your expectations.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: DernierVirage
Posted 2006-12-28 13:52:24 and read 32767 times.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 33):
Service is a very personal choice and I try to keep perspective when flying different airlines, thus I only compared my AF cabin crew to KL and not any Asian Airlines.

Very true, since the best Asian carriers are on a different planet ! It is interesting to look at the very different concepts of service (from the point of view of the customer and also the supplier) that apply in the 3 major markets of USA, Europe and Asia, and how they are so closely linked to so many cultural aspects.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 33):
I by no means expect perfection from the cabin crew, but have flown a number of times with French speaking cabin crew on Swissair, the service has always been fantastic.

Agreed. It is true that AF service can sometimes fall into almost a parody of "French service", but luckily this is a rare problem. What I do notice, now that I think hard, is that the service also seems to change depending on the destination, maybe due to the proportion of French/non French passengers !For example, I always find the service better on CDG - Beijing or Hong Kong, than on CDG - JFK. Also, the service on the leisure destinations such as SXM and PTP is always less polished than on business destinations.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 33):
I am very aware of the cultural differences as I have lived in no less than five countries in my short lifespan.

You can notice quickly (on this site and also in real life) which people have this sort of experience. Lack of outside exposure seems to explain a lot of problems and complaints that people have with airlines.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 33):
Maybe Air France and CDG need to sit down and devise a plan that could possibly alleviate some of the problems transit passengers face.

I am sure that some experts on this site can explain the complexity of the working relations between AF and Aeroports de Paris ! It is true that the collapse of Terminal 2E in 2004, plus the expansion at CDG, has put huge pressure on the infrastructure. An example, of all the AF flights I took from CDG this year, I have never once boarded direct, always by bus, and have only once disembarked directly to the terminal !! There is a lot of construction in progress, but I fear that the problems will not disappear overnight.

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Mk777
Posted 2006-12-28 15:39:34 and read 32767 times.

SR,
I just wanted to know what camera you used to take pics and if the AF crew make a big deal about taking pics on the plane.

thanks

M  Smile

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: TK787
Posted 2006-12-28 17:55:45 and read 32767 times.

Thanks for a great report and great pictures. What camera do you use?
And what lens?
Thanks.

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Airbus3801
Posted 2006-12-28 20:25:15 and read 32767 times.

Superb report about the excellent l'espace service that you experienced.

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: DALelite
Posted 2006-12-28 20:38:58 and read 32767 times.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 11):
I hope you are right. I have been flying DL for years both up front and in the back. I can honestly say that I really do not have anything positive to say about the airline. Maybe someday I'll get the courage to try them internationally again.

eye-shades, snacks in between meal times , snacks available at the galley,
Hagan daaz ice cream in between meals on the flight towards U.S.
x- drink rounds ( guess most airlines are offering more liquids now, since the new carry on liquid rules )

regards: DALelite

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: SR 103
Posted 2006-12-29 12:35:34 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 35):
if the AF crew make a big deal about taking pics on the plane.

I am very discrete when taking pictures. I never use the flash and I always make sure the crew never see me. However I am sure if you ask the AF cabin crew about pictures, you will have no problem. Its US airlines I would be more apprehensive about.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 36):
Thanks for a great report and great pictures.

Thank you, glad you enjoyed it.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 36):
What camera do you use?
And what lens?

Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1: 4X Optical Zoom

Quoting Airbus3801 (Reply 37):
Superb report about the excellent l'espace service that you experienced.

Thanks, I am glad you liked it.

Quoting DALelite (Reply 38):
eye-shades, snacks in between meal times , snacks available at the galley,
Hagan daaz ice cream in between meals on the flight towards U.S.
x- drink rounds ( guess most airlines are offering more liquids now, since the new carry on liquid rules )

You know, with maybe the exception of the eye shade, you just described most US airlines flying across the Atlantic.
If the choice was coach on a DL 763 or a NW 330, I would gladly trade my DL eye shade for NW’s fantastic AVOD IFE any day of the year!

However I completely understand what you are saying, I need to give DL International another try. I believe in second chances, if I didn't I would not be a loyal NW flyer right now. My first flight on NW left me in shock at how badly an airline can treat their customers. I gave them one more chance. It has been close to 5 years now and they are always my first choice when I need to look for tickets.

When I do eventually fly DL Internationally, I assure you a trip report shall be posted.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Ronerone
Posted 2007-01-01 07:32:16 and read 32767 times.

Anosh! ...

you delivered yet another fantastic TR! ..

It seems that your flight from CDG - BOM was much better than your IAH - CDG flight. At least the crew were more professional.

The meal presentation on both your flights was impeccable! However, i am wondering why they do not serve the wine in wine glasses  Wink

I cannot wait for your up and coming return trip! ...

Well done!

Roni.

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: BA319-131
Posted 2007-01-01 20:42:57 and read 32767 times.

Great report, some superb pictures a great insight to AF for non-AF flyers.

Quoting SR 103 (Thread starter):
can honestly say this dinner was one of the best meals I have ever had in flight.

- It did look good I must say.

Quoting SR 103 (Thread starter):
This was my first Boeing 777-300ER flight and I must say, this thing is a beast, and more than just a little loud on take off.

- Noisy hey?, the old 772's were bad enough.

Rgds

Mark

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Readytotaxi
Posted 2007-01-01 21:38:20 and read 32767 times.

Thank you for that, and didnt those chesses look good!

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: MSNYX
Posted 2007-01-01 23:45:57 and read 32767 times.

Great pics and great report.

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: SR 103
Posted 2007-01-12 03:47:11 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 40):
you delivered yet another fantastic TR! ..

Thank you, I am glad I managed to get your approval. You write some fantastic reports yourself.

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 40):
It seems that your flight from CDG - BOM was much better than your IAH - CDG flight.

It certainly was.

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 40):
The meal presentation on both your flights was impeccable! However, i am wondering why they do not serve the wine in wine glasses

I was surprised too. One of my friends recently flew Alitalia and mentioned the same thing. I guess its a cost cutting measure? I am sure someone with more insight into Air France may be able to answer that with more certainty

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 40):
I cannot wait for your up and coming return trip! ...

I am in the process of writing it. Should be out soon.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 41):
Great report, some superb pictures a great insight to AF for non-AF flyers.

Thank you, I am glad you found it informative.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 41):
Noisy hey?, the old 772's were bad enough.

I just flew a 772 fully loaded for a 13 hour flight and I could not believe how noisy it was up front during take off.

Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 42):
Thank you for that, and didnt those chesses look good!

The cheeses were excellent, trust Air France to do it right.

Quoting MSNYX (Reply 43):
Great pics and great report.

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: ZKSUJ
Posted 2007-01-12 06:46:53 and read 32767 times.

Great report. Great pics. The food looks very very good.

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Sabena332
Posted 2007-01-14 17:52:17 and read 32767 times.

Hi Anosh,

Thanks a lot for posting this fantastic and detailed report, I needed approx. 45 minutes to read the whole report and to enjoy the great pictures!

The food looks indeed like First Class food, the picture of the steak made me really hungry.  Wink I also like these information displays at the gate, introducing them was a really good idea of Air France.

It can be that a friend and me are flying to California in the summer, when we get an Air France flight I'll definitely try to upgrade us to Biz Class with miles.

Thanks again for the excellent read!

Patrick

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: SR 103
Posted 2007-01-27 21:27:57 and read 32767 times.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 45):
Great report. Great pics. The food looks very very good

Thanks, glad you liked it.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 46):
It can be that a friend and me are flying to California in the summer, when we get an Air France flight I'll definitely try to upgrade us to Biz Class with miles.

Sounds great, can't wait to read the report. Though if you can manage to fly the KL 772 or 332 in business, I think you may even enjoy it more.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 46):
Thanks again for the excellent read!

As always, thanks for the comments; especially coming from such an excellent trip report writer as yourself.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Sabena332
Posted 2007-01-30 21:18:13 and read 32767 times.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 47):
Though if you can manage to fly the KL 772 or 332 in business, I think you may even enjoy it more.

Too late. A friend and me booked a very spontaneous trip to Sacramento a few days ago (to get to Lake Tahoe for snowboarding). We decided for Air France and Delta via CDG and ATL. I will call Air France tomorrow to ask if I can upgrade us with miles on the CDG-ATL flight.

Maybe we check KLM out in the summer, I have never flown on the "real" KLM, only on KLM Cityhopper from DUS to AMS and vv.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 47):
especially coming from such an excellent trip report writer as yourself.

Thank you very much, nice to read.  Smile

Patrick

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: Avek00
Posted 2007-10-24 20:21:19 and read 32767 times.

Do the J seats in the bulkhead row have smaller PTVs than the other rows?

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: SR 103
Posted 2007-10-26 21:49:31 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 49):
Do the J seats in the bulkhead row have smaller PTVs than the other rows?

Not that I could tell. Flown Air France a bit more since this report and could not tell the difference. In all honestly, the PTV's really are not that large, but maybe they seem small without the borders of the seat.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: OA260
Posted 2007-10-27 02:46:20 and read 32767 times.

Hmm AF is not my favourite airline to be honest but I have to say the food on the IAH-CDG flight looked really nice. The amenity packs have not changed. I have one of those from a few years ago exactly the same. Shame you didn't find the seat comfortable. They dont look too bad but looks can be deceiving.

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: B747forever
Posted 2007-10-27 13:47:16 and read 32767 times.

WOW!!!

What a TR you have wrote. Just amazing.

One of the best I has read.

Really great pics. Thank you very much for them.

Thank you for sharing.

B747forever.

P.S, the food looks really great.

Topic: RE: Skyteam Challenge: Air France Business Class(pics)
Username: CatIII
Posted 2008-04-13 11:29:07 and read 32767 times.



Quoting SR 103 (Thread starter):
There were a number of passengers yelling at officials as they were all being asked to fill out new immigration forms. Turns out good old Delta had given each passenger the wrong immigration forms. It is always good to see Delta winning the customer over with their %u201Cnew and improved%u201D service. I for one am sticking to my decision to stay away from Delta International until things actually improve. No matter how many new routes they start, new uniforms their staff wear, new tiled lavatory floors they add to their aircraft, or upholster new leather to their seats, I know things are the same.

Easy killer...things at DL are great. Just flew the new BizElite and it was outstanding.


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