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Topic: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-11-15 15:00:55 and read 32767 times.

Munich-Helsinki Nagoya: Finnair's E170 & (Old) "New" A340-300


Intro
Japan is a spotters' and plane enthusiasts' paradise - something which I had often heard and which I can confirm now without any doubts after touring some of the country's airports and airlines. In my series of six trip reports I will go into detail and share my experiences. Here's the first part, covering the MUC-HEL-NGO flights as well as Nagoya Centrair Airport. First of all, I will talk a bit about the trip planning before getting clear for takeoff.
All those who aren't interested in the challenges of trip planning are free to scroll down immediately to the beginning of the flight report!


Background & Long-haul Flight Search
Spotting in Japan had been on my agenda for a long time and in summer ago a friend (user Satchmo) and I finally decided to go for a total of eight days. Flights aren't cheap in general and we searched for reasonably priced options from MUC. We found Alitalia (E145, 772), Qatar Airways (A332) and Virgin Atlantic (A346, LH/BA A32X). Considering their constant strikes, we soon dropped AZ. We also dropped QR because connecting time in Doha would have been just about an hour - and missing the flight to KIX would have screwed up our dense schedule of domestic traveling in Japan. I also didn't like the prospect of getting A332s on all four sectors.
So we almost booked VS but then suddenly found a cheaper option on Finnair's website - and two different routings which would include four different types. There wasn't any time left to lose, so we booked MUC-HEL-NGO (E170, A343) and KIX-HEL-MUC (MD11 and A319) for late October/early November. Since we booked the flights via a travel agent we successfully requested seats in the MD-11's forward 3-4-2 section (rear section is 3-4-3). Interestingly, it wasn't possible to secure one of the seat pairs on the right side.
I had hoped to get one of the two new A340-300Es to NGO, but some weeks later I found out on the forum that OH-LQA - the ex-Virgin bird - would always operate the flight on Saturdays, while flying to Mumbai on weekdays.

Domestic Travel Plan - Searching for the Big Birds
The next step was working out a domestic travel plan which would include the most important airports and some interesting flights. We checked the ANA and JAL websites and found out that reservations could be made only two months in advance. Additionally, even less than two months in advance you can't just click and choose JAL flights in their website - you need to call them or go to an agency (in contrast to ANA or Skymark). However, thanks to Finnair's and JAL's membership in the oneworld alliance, we could order the JAL Yokoso Airpass and were able to reserve flights earlier (via our agent).

Main targets were the high density 744D and 773 and it took a while to find the right flights - one problem was that JAL often designates the types simply as 777. In the end we chose to fly Nagoya-Okinawa (JAL 744), Okinawa-Fukuoka (JTA 734 - only narrow-bodies available on that route, but at least a new carrier), Fukuoka-Tokyo/Haneda (JAL 772) as well as Tokyo/Haneda-Osaka/Itami (ANA 773). We had to wait for the two-months-deadline before being able to reserve the remaining ANA sector, but there were plenty of low fare seats available on the 773 service (ANA always designates 772 and 773). We had also tried to include Sapporo, but it turned out difficult in terms of route/type planning. Instead we chose Okinawa/Naha where it would be a lot warmer anyway...

Hotels & One more Time-saving Roundtrip...
Finding reasonably priced hotels at or close to airports wasn't a big deal, Asiarooms.com and Toyoko-Inn had attractive offers (double rooms ranging from 50 to 106 Euro, all including breakfast and shuttle). Oddly enough, about ten days prior to the trip I somehow felt the desire to add some more flights during our relatively long 2,5-days Tokyo visit and I had a look at Skymark Airlines' website - why not try out a Japanese LCC? I didn't want to lose too much valuable spotting time at Haneda and I checked numerous options to find a time-saving solution. Well, in the end I booked an early-morning Haneda-Kobe flight on ANA (763 non-ER) and the return sector on Skymark (763ER).

Ground time at Kobe (UKB) was scheduled to be one hour and five minutes - not a comfortable margin if something goes wrong, but no risk, no fun. On a positive side, I would be back at Haneda at 10:05 - still some 6,5 hours left for spotting on that day. ANA was slightly more expensive than Skymark, but only ANA had the early morning departure from HND and it was a 767-300 non-ER which I also wanted to get. Skymark didn't offer an early morning flight from Haneda - and I dropped the idea of doing that trip in the afternoon because ANA only had an A320 and Skymark had 738 services later. Euro-style narrow-bodies in Japan? No thanks...



Saturday, 27 October 2007
Munich (MUC) - Helsinki (HEL)
Finnair AY810
08:00-11:30 (07:52-11:17)
Flying time: 02:10 (hrs)

Embraer 170-100LR
OH-LEO (MSN 17000150), delivered 11/2006
Economy Seat 17D


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Online Check-in
We checked-in online on the evening prior to departure and tried to secure a row in the section where the cabin doesn't narrow yet on the A340, but most seats were occupied. So we kept row 52 and picked row 17 on the Embraer.

Bus Gate
We arrived at the airport about one hour prior to departure and had to wait for at least 20-25 minutes in a long queue. As expected there was no counter for those checked-in online. We passed security some 40 minutes prior to departure but boarding was already started 10 minutes later. As so often at MUC, a bus was waiting where we had to spend another 10 minutes at really low temperatures. Finally we arrived at the aircraft - OH-LEO, the newest of Finnair's E170s, delivered in 11/2006.




Cabin Comfort
Friendly F/As welcomed us on board and we walked down to row 17. Database cabin shot:

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Finnair doesn't offer a jetBlue-style pitch or PTVs, but the cabin is still comfortable. Modern seat design...


Picture by Satchmo


...and sufficient pitch:




Constant Airflow
With its spacious interior, the E-Jet is simply a class of its own in the regional jet category. However, I noticed a constant cool airflow on the window seat. It wasn't possible to turn it off manually and it turned out to be quite annoying after a while, so I changed to the aisle seat later, thanks to the light load. It didn't notice that on my jetBlue E190 flights earlier this year.

Departure
Boarding was completed quickly (load around 60%) and the plane started moving some minutes early. OH-LEO taxied to runway 26L, turned in almost immediately...




...and started a rather powerful takeoff roll.




United 777 on its way to Terminal 2:




Climb Interrupted
We had left behind the bad weather and the clouds after a few minutes. However, the plane suddenly stopped climbing and flew a wide circle just above the clouds. There hadn't been any announcement from the cockpit and we started to wonder because we had never seen this before after taking off from MUC.




Just when we started thinking about a possible cause the plane resumed climbing. Some time later, the captain gave details on the route to Helsinki.




Breakfast
After climbing to cruise altitude the crew started serving breakfast boxes and offered one round of drinks. Finnair's Embraer jets aren't equipped with ovens, so only cold meals or snacks are served on these flights - I have no idea whether a hot breakfast is usually offered on morning Airbus flights. The breakfast comprised of orange juice, a cherry yogurt, a ham and cheese roll and a coconut biscuit. I ordered a coffee, too, but F/As didn't pass again so that I could ask for extra sugar.



The breakfast wasn't bad, but the "main course", a dry soft ham and cheese roll, wasn't a culinary delight. Anyway, Finnair serves a lot more than other carriers on European sectors. The remaining flight was uneventful and I enjoyed the scenery.




Dense Fog
Time had passed quickly and we started our descent...




...diving into dense fog. Actually it wasn't possible to identify anything outside but the fog - until a few moments from touchdown.




We touched the ground at 11:12, slowed down...



...and taxied to our remote parking position near the maintenance area. We could recognize an A340 tail in the hangar and wondered whether it would be our bird.


Helsinki Spotting
Again we could “enjoy” the cool weather, this time in Helsinki, and were bussed to the terminal which was still rather empty. We settled down in the terminal's 90 degrees corner between gates 24 and 26 for the next few hours, but spotting wasn't a pleasure due to the low visibility. At least most aircraft passed closely on the taxiway. Estonian Airlines Saab 340 parked between AY A32X:




In the afternoon we searched for a nice place to eat but it was soon clear the number of food places is rather limited. We finally chose a self-service cafeteria with a "non-self-service" price level.



Saturday, 27 October 2007
Helsinki (HEL) - Nagoya (NGO)
Finnair AY079
17:15-08:55 (18:48-10:35)
Flying time: 09:21 (hrs)

Airbus A340-311
OH-LQA (MSN 058), first delivered to Virgin Atlantic 10/1994 as G-VFLY
Economy Seat 52B



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Once active as G-VFLY:


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Delay: Technical Reasons
Our scheduled departure time was 17:15 but at around 15:00 we suddenly discovered a new departure time of 18:30 on the screens. It had already become quite boring at this point of time so the delay really was a disappointment. Some time later there was an announcement about flight AY079 being delayed due to "technical reasons" Meanwhile OH-LQB and OH-LQC had arrived, so I draw the conclusion that it had been our A340 (OH-LQA) parked in the hangar this morning, most likely already under maintenance. I really hoped the additional time required for getting the aircraft ready was exactly calculated and not just roughly estimated...

Compensation
At around 17:00 we moved to the long-haul gates and heard another announcement that all passengers booked on flight AY079 should proceed to a certain counter in order to pick up coupons as a compensation for the delay. Satchmo was skeptic about that move: He had experienced a similar situation earlier this year with Emirates, when the delay increased from initially just one hour to more than five. Anyway, we took the coupons worth 8 Euro and bought some more (rather overpriced) food at the adjacent cafeteria. Meanwhile the area was very crowded with passengers, mostly Japanese and Chinese.

Extended Technical Inspection
We had feared an even worse delay, so the boarding announcement at around 18:00 was highly appreciated. There was a long queue at gate 33, moving slowly, and we decided to remain seated for a while. Then we had to walk down a remarkably long jetbridge and finally entered OH-LQA which was already filled well. Load factor was around 95-100% in Economy, with passengers mostly from Japan. F/As were mostly friendly and offered water bottles at the door. After all passengers had been seated, the captain apologized for the delay and referred to an "extended technical inspection" finished just an hour ago.

Cabin Comfort
The plane's cabin hasn't been refurbished yet (planned for November) since its transfer from Virgin Atlantic and therefore everything looks quite worn, no matter if overhead bins, tables or IFE controls. The blue seat covers are new, but that's it. Cabin view (pic taken later in the flight):


Picture by Satchmo

However, the seats aren't bad at all and seat pitch is sufficient. No IFE boxes required for the plane's early generation IFE system.




Departure
We finally left the gate at 18:48, more than 1,5 hours late. Within a few minutes OH-LQA turned onto runway 22R and the four tiny CFMs worked hard to accelerate the fully loaded bird. After the typically long A343 takeoff roll we lifted off for our 09:21 hours flight to Nagoya Centrair.

IFE
As mentioned before, the ex-Virgin bird is equipped with an early generation individual IFE system, including tiny PTV screens compared to today's standard (picture taken later in the flight):



What's even more annoying than the tiny screens is the fact that most handsets are not detachable from the seat. Due to the handsets' sideways location in the armrest it was quite difficult to switch channels or to press any other button. Playing games would have been impossible because of this, but those weren't available anyway. Here's the range of features:


  • 9 movies (repeated after approximately 2,5 hours)
  • 5 TV channels (e.g. news and kids' channel)
  • airshow channel
  • 9 music channels


The new A340-300Es are equipped with an advanced AVOD system which offers many more features and much more choice. Allegedly OH-LQA is scheduled to receive a cabin update, but the question is whether it will also get the new AVOD system. Anyway, I didn't mind about the old IFE system since I had planned to sleep for a few hours. When awake I watched the airshow channel most of the time.

Heading to the Ural Mountains at 30,000 feet (later waypoints on the route were Novosibirsk and Ulan Bator)....






Dinner Disappointment
The lack of menu cards is not unusual in these days, but the lack of a meal choice is unusual on long-hauls flights. About one hour after takeoff F/As started to serve dinner - prior to that we had been informed that chicken curry would be the available main meal. I was still somehow optimistic but what we got was one of the worst airline meals I have ever experienced on a long-haul flight.



The few (and tiny) pieces of chicken and the sauce were ok, so was the salad. But the rice was tasteless and mushy, the vegetables were squashy. The green noodles were tasteless as well and the noodle sauces didn't make it any better. The bread roll was quite hard, only some butter made it somehow eatable. Not even the dessert could compensate for the disappointment - it was just a tiny piece of Sacher chocolate cake, packed in plastic. The choice of soft drinks was basic, too. No ginger ale, bitter lemon or tonic available...
At least the crew was friendly, especially one Japanese flight attendant mostly serving on our side.

Snack Sale
After dinner I browsed through the entertainment guide and I was almost shocked when discovering the last page:



Unbelievable but true: Finnair charges for snacks on long-haul flights (most items cost 2 Euro). Is this a new round of ridiculous cost saving measures? It's not like passengers storm the galley between the meals on overnight flights. This is going too far...
Btw - beer and wine (and only those) are free - but just together with meals.

Passing Beijing
After sleeping for a few hours I checked the route map and found out we had just passed Beijing, now heading to South Korea, meanwhile at 39,000 feet:




First wing view at daylight:




Breakfast
Honestly I didn't expect really much after that dinner but the hot breakfast with pancakes, omelette and beans was fine. The portion was small, but that's it. The carrot & fruit drink and the muffin didn't taste bad either.




Not much time left until reaching the coast...




...with mountainous terrain following shortly afterwards:




Approach
Hot towels were offered and recollected and approach was started. Ise Bay ahead...




...Nagoya Chubu Centrair International on the left:




Some database pictures of Japan's second offshore airport:


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We flew a wide left turn and finally approached from the south, passing large tankers:




Only seconds to go...




...and touchdown at 10:20 local time.




Dreamlifter
Just as we left the runway I spotted a Dreamlifter parked at the cargo apron, great start for our tour:




Business Class
We had to wait for some more minutes because our gate was still blocked by an LH A343 - well, our flight was the late one...On disembarking Satchmo took a picture of the Business Class, still showing its Virgin Atlantic descent:


Picture by Satchmo


Cleaning staff already waiting:




Nagoya Centrair Spotting
It took us about an hour to pass through immigration, luggage claim and customs. Now we could follow the much longed for "observation deck" signs. We walked through a modern and convenient terminal building, passed countless nice shops and restaurants and finally entered the large observation deck. The (remarkably clean) facility stretches across the roof top of the center pier and offers excellent views of the runway and the apron on both sides. While fantastic for registration spotting, it can be a challenge for photo spotters, depending on the sun.




Picture by Satchmo


China Airlines 738 and China Southern A321:




Some 90 minutes after arrival, OH-LQA taxies out for the return flight to Helsinki...


Picture by Satchmo


...and takes off into a blue sky over Ise Bay:




A large variety of mostly Asian and Japanese carriers can be seen at Nagoya Centrair, though certain types don't show up (e.g. JAL A300-600, MD-87). I got a total of 80 new registrations at NGO, even though we already continued to Okinawa on the next morning. One of the aircraft which we would see again soon was JAL 747-400D JA8905 with Tamagotchi markings:




Picture by Satchmo


Interestingly, there's even a nice dedicated section about the sky deck facility on the airport's website:
http://enjoy.centrair.jp/en/facility/index.html



Conclusion
Flying Finnair between Helsinki and Nagoya was disappointing, mainly because of the insufficient catering (low food quality, small portions, limited choice of drinks, charge for snacks and alcoholic drinks between meals). Both the cabin interior and the IFE are totally outdated on this particular aircraft and should be updated to Finnair's A340-300E standard soon. Legroom was ok, F/As were mostly friendly, so no complaints here. The delay was not dramatic, it can happen on any flight. Giving out coupons was a nice move.
There's not much to comment on the European flight. Sufficient breakfast, comfortable E170 cabin (except for the airflow), but overhead screens would be a nice addition.

Flying on Finnair's MD-11 and A320 (equipment change) was a bit different, but it will take some time until the report will be online. Next report: NGO-OKA-FUK on JAL 744D and JTA 734.


Best Regards,
PlaneHunter

[Edited 2007-11-15 15:17:13]

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Stylo777
Posted 2007-11-15 15:50:11 and read 32767 times.

phenomenal pictures, greate routing, nice aircrafts (at least two types which I also want to catch soon E70&M11) and last but not least fantastic report.

thanks a lot for sharing.

ori

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: JetSetter629
Posted 2007-11-15 16:44:39 and read 32767 times.

Just out of curiosity, but in noticed on the in flight map that it made a "S" turn near Beijing. Is this to avoid North Korean airspace? Great report! I hope to see the inter-Japan flights as well!

Rob

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Sabena332
Posted 2007-11-15 16:56:17 and read 32767 times.

Awesome report there, PlaneHunter, very well written! I really liked all the details! What a perfect entertainment it was to read your report (and look at the pictures) during the last half an hour or so - at least! I am really looking forward to the domestic parts, and to the return part of you guys trip!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Satchmo

Friggin' cool username, eh? I bet he likes Jazz.  Smile

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The lack of menu cards is not unusual in these days

Air France is still giving them out in Y on long-haul flights, stylooooooooooo.  Wink

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Unbelievable but true: Finnair charges for snacks on long-haul flights

Pretty outrageous IMO. Did they hire MOL as a part-time employee? Big grin

Thanks again for the effort!

Patrick

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Avianca
Posted 2007-11-15 18:02:01 and read 32767 times.

great report!

well all in one I thought AY would offer a better product!

looking forward for your next reports.

cheers
Avianca

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Mal787
Posted 2007-11-15 19:25:36 and read 32767 times.



Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Conclusion
Flying Finnair between Helsinki and Nagoya was disappointing, mainly because of the insufficient catering (low food quality, small portions, limited choice of drinks, charge for snacks and alcoholic drinks between meals)

I have to agree with you on this point . I flew them Hong Kong > Helsinki > London last month and was very dissapointed in both the food served and the size of the portions available. I was already aware of the charges for snacks I had been warned so I stocked up with nibble's prior to getting on board. I only flew with them to try out the MD11 great AC and glad I did, but now I have done that I will not try Finnair again .

Good report & pics, I should do one on my Europe trip but bit to busy at the moment

Cheers
MAl787

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: The777Man
Posted 2007-11-15 19:37:00 and read 32767 times.

Very nice report PlaneHuner!

Looking forward to reading more about your adventures in Japan! Hope to go there again in the spring with my son.

The777Man

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-11-15 23:36:55 and read 32767 times.

Hello everybody and thanks so much for your kind replies!

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 1):
phenomenal pictures, greate routing, nice aircrafts (at least two types which I also want to catch soon E70&M11) and last but not least fantastic report.

Thanks Ori. The E-Jets are quite easy to get in these days, but there aren't many MD-11 carriers left. Good luck with hunting!

Quoting JetSetter629 (Reply 2):
Just out of curiosity, but in noticed on the in flight map that it made a "S" turn near Beijing. Is this to avoid North Korean airspace?

Yes, interesting flight path. I thought the same, but North Korean airspace was still a bit away.

Quoting JetSetter629 (Reply 2):
Great report! I hope to see the inter-Japan flights as well!

Thanks, Rob. All the domestic trips will be online sooner or later.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 3):
What a perfect entertainment it was to read your report (and look at the pictures) during the last half an hour or so - at least! I am really looking forward to the domestic parts, and to the return part of you guys trip!

Danke schön, Patrick. I should have sent you a bottle of Weißbierresi for an even better entertainment.  Wink

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 3):
Friggin' cool username, eh? I bet he likes Jazz.

Yep.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 3):
Did they hire MOL as a part-time employee?

Probably he's training somewhere for his long-haul plans?  Wink

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
well all in one I thought AY would offer a better product!

Indeed, I had expected the same until reading several reports here and on airlinequality.com...

Quoting Mal787 (Reply 5):
I was already aware of the charges for snacks I had been warned so I stocked up with nibble's prior to getting on board.

 checkmark  Yes, did the same for the return flight!

Quoting Mal787 (Reply 5):
I only flew with them to try out the MD11 great AC and glad I did, but now I have done that I will not try Finnair again .

I can only agree, I will stay away from Finnair long-hauls.

Quoting Mal787 (Reply 5):
Good report & pics, I should do one on my Europe trip but bit to busy at the moment

Same situation here...so I have to spread the other reports over several weeks.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 6):
Looking forward to reading more about your adventures in Japan! Hope to go there again in the spring with my son.

Japan is always worth a visit, what a fascinating country - it ranks really high on my "favorites list" now. Next time I also want to explore more of the country itself (but some spotting and flying can't be avoided).  Smile


PH

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Aleksandar
Posted 2007-11-16 00:21:39 and read 32767 times.

Nice trip report. Honestly, I was surprised by the very low-level of in-flight catering on Finnair flight to NGO. Recently, I read similar TR, but it was about a flight to DEL and charging for shacks was not mentioned. Is it something new?

Anyway, pics from flights and observation deck in NGO are really great and I can't wait to read and see more from your Japan trip.

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: InbarD
Posted 2007-11-16 01:53:44 and read 32767 times.

Great trip report. Awesome pictures. The Finnair service looks good, sad to hear you didn't enjoy it as much. Thanks for sharing!

[Edited 2007-11-16 01:57:47]

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: NG1Fan
Posted 2007-11-16 02:10:46 and read 32767 times.

I also spent some time spotting at NGO Centrair airport on April this year (even stayed in their hotel on the island). One of the more enterprising spotters had a little wooden contraption made to separate the horizontal wires on the viewing platform edge so he could get his ginormous telephoto lens thorugh it.

I flew Finnair only on one occasion some years ago: SVO-HEL-SVO (when I was based in Moscow). Aircraft used was an A320 both directions, quite full (it was the May Day long weekend). Loved the wooden parquetry floor in HEL).

Great trip report!

NG1Fan

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Karan69
Posted 2007-11-16 02:40:16 and read 32767 times.

Awesome report and some excellent pictures,

Thanks for showing me the kind of aircraft AY brings to BOM, i know now that i wont be flying them to Europe.

Looking forward to the other ones, thanks for sharing

Karan

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Airbuseric
Posted 2007-11-16 03:27:11 and read 32767 times.

PH,

good to see you went to Japan. Nice aircraft mix so far, good to see you've choosed JL for most domestic flights. I'm proud of you  Smile
Indeed, AY also dissappoints me with their charges for snacks. I don't like it on longhaul flights, and didn't expect it!

Aircraft routing over Siberia to Japan is always a bit 'strange'. Usually you fly just within Russian airspace without tuning over Chinese or any Korean airspace.

Already waiting for your continuing stories...

Eric

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: OA260
Posted 2007-11-16 06:00:11 and read 32767 times.

Hi nice TR and great pics. The E jet looks nice. The breakfast on longhaul looks really nice . Shame about the dinner. I dont mind paying for snacks like toblerone on longhaul to be honest. You cant expect them to give these branded items free. It would cost too much . €2 euro is not bad. AY actually look better than I thought they would be.

Anyway nice report

OA260

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Lufthansa747
Posted 2007-11-16 08:38:51 and read 32767 times.

Great report PH, I recall we talked about this earlier and I was wrong to say you would get the new A340E.  Angry

I would describe longhaul AY myself as a step above Ryanair/Air Asia, and that's fromsomebody coming from Finland.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 8):
but it was about a flight to DEL and charging for shacks was not mentioned. Is it something new?

Has been going on for ages, I was shocked when I discovered the page photographed by PH years ago. Ridiculous.

Cheers,

LH747

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: EFHK
Posted 2007-11-16 10:31:53 and read 32767 times.

Hi, interesting report!  Smile

I'm sorry you didn't like the experience with AY. But then again, I don't have that much experience of long haul flights in general. For me AY delivers a good product which meets my needs. Smile

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
It wasn't possible to turn it off manually and it turned out to be quite annoying after a while

Could it be possible that it was some kind of an airconditioning unit that was controlled from the cockpit and the crew didn't realise to turn it off?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I have no idea whether a hot breakfast is usually offered on morning Airbus flights

Yes. I was disappointed by the decision of having ovens only for Business class passengers in the E-jets as they fly partly same routes as Airbuses.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Then we had to walk down a remarkably long jetbridge

Gate 33 has currently the superlong jetbridge due to the construction of the new part of the international terminal.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 8):
Recently, I read similar TR, but it was about a flight to DEL and charging for shacks was not mentioned.

Sorry, I didn't realise to pay attention to it. It was indeed included also in the flight to DEL with those advertisements on the in-flight magazine and movie screens. I just thought that they had introduced a possibility to buy snacks during meals. Has it been complimentary before? Or do other airlines offer free snacks on long hauls? (apparently yes with so many posters complaining about it) Smile

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Lufthansa747
Posted 2007-11-16 11:01:34 and read 32767 times.



Quoting EFHK (Reply 16):
Has it been complimentary before? Or do other airlines offer free snacks on long hauls?

No idea to first. But I almost chuckled up the whisky from my mouth to the seat in front when I read that particular page in the Finnish edition of thr magazine years ago. It came way before chargeable alcohol.

Quoting EFHK (Reply 16):
For me AY delivers a good product which meets my needs.

You must have very little needs, for me it doesn't deliver anything unless the fare is 499 or lower for longhaul round trip. And what's up with the recent PEK 499e offer, that's 100-200 more than usual?? Used to be 299-399 rest, 499 BKK/Japan before.

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: FLIEGER67
Posted 2007-11-16 11:32:38 and read 32767 times.

Hi, PH,

what a great idea, heading for Japan to collect something new to your log.

After several positive experiences with Finnair and partners I was also disappointed when I´ve read your story.

So, we will see if the return was better.

Hope to read your next reports soon.

Regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Buck3y3nut
Posted 2007-11-16 11:45:26 and read 32767 times.

great report & pictures...
That snack sale on an international flight is just bad... Whats next? Charging you to use the overhead bins???
Just ridiculous!!!
I really enjoyed the pictures, they were very clear and what a nice bright day at NGO for you!!!
thanks for sharing this report with us  Smile

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-11-16 11:54:03 and read 32767 times.

Good evening everybody and thanks again for your feedback!

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 8):
Anyway, pics from flights and observation deck in NGO are really great and I can't wait to read and see more from your Japan trip.

The observation decks in Japan simply rock, especially the ones at FUK and KIX. More to follow in the next reports!

Quoting InbarD (Reply 9):
The Finnair service looks good, sad to hear you didn't enjoy it as much.

The European sectors were nice, especially the HEL-MUC sector. It's just the long-hauls which disappointed me.

Quoting NG1Fan (Reply 10):
I also spent some time spotting at NGO Centrair airport on April this year (even stayed in their hotel on the island).

I also tried to book a room at the Centrair Hotel, but online reservation wasn't available. We chose the new Toyoko-Inn on the island - small room, but everything else was just fine. And it was really cheap (less than 50 Euro including breakfast for a double room).

Quoting NG1Fan (Reply 10):
One of the more enterprising spotters had a little wooden contraption made to separate the horizontal wires on the viewing platform edge so he could get his ginormous telephoto lens thorugh it.

Oh - the guards didn't see that? There were many guards around.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 12):
Thanks for showing me the kind of aircraft AY brings to BOM, i know now that i wont be flying them to Europe.

Well, it may be better after the cabin refurbishment. Probably some of our Finnish friends on the forum can give some more details and keep us updated.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 13):
Nice aircraft mix so far, good to see you've choosed JL for most domestic flights. I'm proud of you

Are you a JAL fan, Eric? Actually I found both ANA and JAL great carriers for domestic traveling - and not to forget Skymark.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 13):
Aircraft routing over Siberia to Japan is always a bit 'strange'. Usually you fly just within Russian airspace without tuning over Chinese or any Korean airspace.

Yes, that was the routing on our return flight from KIX.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 13):
Already waiting for your continuing stories...

I'm already working on the second part, but it may take two weeks until I can finish it (due to job duties).

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
I dont mind paying for snacks like toblerone on longhaul to be honest. You cant expect them to give these branded items free. It would cost too much . %u20AC2 euro is not bad.

I had never flown on a long-haul carrier before that charges for small snacks between the meals. Even US Airways had a basket with crackers or peanuts for free in the galley. I don't think some free snacks (available for pick-up in the galley) would be too costly, because many passengers sleep on night flights. And even on daylight most passengers don't leave their seats frequently.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 15):
Great report PH, I recall we talked about this earlier and I was wrong to say you would get the new A340E.

No problem, Lari. I found about OH-LQA's Saturday schedule shortly after we talked about the trip. So I didn't suffer from a last-minute shock at the gate.  Wink

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 15):
I would describe longhaul AY myself as a step above Ryanair/Air Asia, and that's fromsomebody coming from Finland.

At least the main meals are still free of charge...  Wink

Quoting EFHK (Reply 16):
Could it be possible that it was some kind of an airconditioning unit that was controlled from the cockpit and the crew didn't realise to turn it off?

Absolutely, yes. I could switch to the aisle seat, so I didn't tell the crew.

Quoting EFHK (Reply 16):
Yes. I was disappointed by the decision of having ovens only for Business class passengers in the E-jets as they fly partly same routes as Airbuses.

AY should rethink that decision and add ovens for Economy.

Quoting EFHK (Reply 16):
Gate 33 has currently the superlong jetbridge due to the construction of the new part of the international terminal.

Nice construction, but cool inside...

Quoting EFHK (Reply 16):
Or do other airlines offer free snacks on long hauls? (apparently yes with so many posters complaining about it)

Indeed, yes.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 17):
And what's up with the recent PEK 499e offer, that's 100-200 more than usual?? Used to be 299-399 rest, 499 BKK/Japan before.


That sounds really really cheap. 499 Euro for Japan?

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 18):
After several positive experiences with Finnair and partners I was also disappointed when IÃ%u201A´ve read your story.

So, we will see if the return was better.

Hi Markus! The KIX-HEL sector was even worse (lack of PTVs, daylight flight), but the HEL-MUC flight was fine. AY is definitely a good choice on European services.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 18):
Hope to read your next reports soon.

Just a matter of time!  Wink

Quoting Buck3y3nut (Reply 19):
Whats next? Charging you to use the overhead bins???

 checkmark  So true! With more LCCs entering the long-haul market we should indeed get ready for new charges.

Quoting Buck3y3nut (Reply 19):
I really enjoyed the pictures, they were very clear and what a nice bright day at NGO for you!!!


October and November are among the months usually recommended for traveling to Japan. In general we were lucky with the weather, had clear skies on most day.


PH

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Palmjet
Posted 2007-11-16 13:05:21 and read 32767 times.

Great trip report and pics. Was really interested to read about your planned domestic flights in Japan. I know you read my report recently on my JAL MD90 Hiroshima - Sapporo domestic flight. Sapporo also has great facilities, but at this time of year, agree that prob much warmer to go to Okinawa instead! Thanks again

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: StefanPAD
Posted 2007-11-16 13:59:46 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH!

Great report and pics. Good idea to share your travel planning.

Disapointing to hear about the dreadful meal service and the charge for snacks. So no reason to experience AY I think.

I'm looking forward to the next part your trip.

Tschüss!

Stefan

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Semsem
Posted 2007-11-16 14:42:18 and read 32767 times.

Fortunately there are still a few airlines that serve decent food in Y. I flew AY in the 1970s from Amsterdam to New York on a DC-8 and the food was not memorable either. I still remember the reindeer meat which was not to my taste.

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-11-17 05:53:19 and read 32767 times.

Thanks for all new replies!

Quoting Palmjet (Reply 20):
Sapporo also has great facilities, but at this time of year, agree that prob much warmer to go to Okinawa instead!

New Chitose is definitely an airport which I want to visit in the future. But not during the winter months...

Quoting StefanPAD (Reply 21):
Disapointing to hear about the dreadful meal service and the charge for snacks. So no reason to experience AY I think.

The new A343Es or A330s may be still worth a try in the future, probably catering will be improved again.

Quoting Semsem (Reply 22):
I flew AY in the 1970s from Amsterdam to New York on a DC-8 and the food was not memorable either. I still remember the reindeer meat which was not to my taste.

I wouldn't mind to try reindeer meat, but of course that's not to everyone's taste. At least they served something special in these days...  Wink


PH

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: B747forever
Posted 2007-11-17 05:59:28 and read 32767 times.

Brilliant TR.

The pics are excellent.

The PTVs looks so incredible tiny.

Really bad that you didn't like AYs food.

I got as shocked as you when I saw that they was selling snacks on board. Didn't know that.

Looking forward for next part.

Thank you for sharing.

B747forever.

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Stu1978
Posted 2007-11-17 06:01:35 and read 32767 times.

Glad you enjoyed Nagoya.

Myself and a friend also spent 2 days at Nagoya on the 1st and 2nd of Nov ..... and concluded it was the best airport for decks and variety of airlines out of all the places we visited....

Really look forward to going back in a year or two's time ...... also great place for night photograhy when you spread the fence links........ Only problem we faced was the amazing strong wind blasting in off the sea.

Other than that great place to go and visit.

Stu Lawson

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: BA319-131
Posted 2007-11-17 06:16:09 and read 32767 times.

Great stuff PH, really enjoyed this TR & pix.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
tiny PTV screens compared to today's standard (picture taken later in the flight):

- Wow, that really is small compared to todays IFE screens, quite a blast from the past!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The new A340-300Es are equipped with an advanced AVOD system which offers many more features and much more choice. Allegedly OH-LQA is scheduled to receive a cabin update, but the question is whether it will also get the new AVOD system

- Hopefully AY will update LQA to a comon standard with the rest of the fleet, be a shame to had an oddball around.


Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
what we got was one of the worst airline meals I have ever experienced on a long-haul flight.

- Yikes, does look pretty nasy.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
beer and wine (and only those) are free - but just together with meals

- I don't like that idea at all!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I got a total of 80 new registrations at NGO, even though we already continued to Okinawa on the next morning.

- Thats good going, reminds me I need to return to Japan for some spotting, it's been a few years!

Good stuff, shame the food & services down back on AY have declined, I hate the idea of having to buy booze as I tend to quite enjoy a few glasses whist reading my book Smile

Look forward to the next TR.

Regards

Mark

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Lufthansa747
Posted 2007-11-17 07:09:05 and read 32767 times.



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 19):
That sounds really really cheap. 499 Euro for Japan?

Well. it used to be 299 JFK/DEL/BOM/CAN/PEK/PVG, 449-499 Japan/BKK. Gone are the days it seems.

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: EFHK
Posted 2007-11-17 13:38:41 and read 32767 times.



Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 16):
You must have very little needs, for me it doesn't deliver anything unless the fare is 499 or lower for longhaul round trip.

OK, I know you have a lot more experience of flying in general than me and have come to appreciate all the different kinds of service improvements.  Smile I'm satisfied if I get safely to my destination, preferrably on time, I get food and drinks for free and have some entertainment (which will improve with the new PTVs). So far AY has met those needs.

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Sketty222
Posted 2007-11-17 16:45:04 and read 32767 times.



Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
one problem was that JAL often designates the types simply as 777

Ive noticed this when booking RTW tickets for people

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 1):
phenomenal pictures, greate routing, nice aircrafts (at least two types which I also want to catch soon E70&M11) and last but not least fantastic report.

Im dying to get on both of the above a/c. I was thinking about taking a FI flight but after your report I think I may give them a miss on the longhaul sectors. Im quite disappointed actualy wiht them being a Oneworld partner I thought they may be better than what you experienced.

I think Japan is a fantastic spotting place and Im really trying to get there in the next year or so. Really looking forward to seeing the further reports on your domestic flights, especially JAL, with them being new to OW.

Im a bit of a OW freak and want all of the airlines in it to offer consistant service on equalling flights

Looking forward to the further reports.........keep it up


Lee

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-11-18 02:40:21 and read 32767 times.

Hello everyone and thanks for your feedback!

Quoting Stu1978 (Reply 25):
and concluded it was the best airport for decks and variety of airlines out of all the places we visited....

Yes, both variety and single-runway action make it a great place for spotting.

Quoting Stu1978 (Reply 25):
Only problem we faced was the amazing strong wind blasting in off the sea.

True, noticed that too. At least it was warm and sunny.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 26):
- Wow, that really is small compared to todays IFE screens, quite a blast from the past!

Interesting to see the progress from tiny to very large screens in some 12 years.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 26):
- Thats good going, reminds me I need to return to Japan for some spotting, it's been a few years!

Well, many new regs waiting for you!  Smile

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 27):
Well. it used to be 299 JFK/DEL/BOM/CAN/PEK/PVG, 449-499 Japan/BKK. Gone are the days it seems.

Incredible fares. Never seen such cheap China and Japan flights from Germany.

Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 29):
Im quite disappointed actualy wiht them being a Oneworld partner I thought they may be better than what you experienced.



Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 29):
Im a bit of a OW freak and want all of the airlines in it to offer consistant service on equalling flights

Some OW carriers offer very good products but e.g. Finnair and Iberia have still a long way to go...

Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 29):
I think Japan is a fantastic spotting place and Im really trying to get there in the next year or so. Really looking forward to seeing the further reports on your domestic flights, especially JAL, with them being new to OW.

I can only recommend a visit, it's worth every Cent. JAL is a good choice and definitely an important gain for OW. But I also recommend to try ANA, Skymark or other domestic carriers.


PH

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Airbuseric
Posted 2007-11-18 04:47:01 and read 32767 times.



Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Are you a JAL fan, Eric?

I should be,... it's my employer Big grin

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I'm already working on the second part, but it may take two weeks until I can finish it (due to job duties).

Same here,... also finishing a report soon, but also busy times at work for me. But take your time, I'll read your report for sure some day  Wink

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Sabena332
Posted 2007-11-18 14:44:35 and read 32767 times.



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 7):
I should have sent you a bottle of Weißbierresi for an even better entertainment.

Would have been cool, it's - without a doubt - the best Weizen I drunk so far, and I drunk a lot different ones. But no problem, I think that I'll come to HOQ next year, instead of a suitcase I'll simply check a case of Resi on the return flight. Big grin

Patrick

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-11-20 00:21:36 and read 32767 times.



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 31):
I should be,... it's my employer

Ok, didn't know that.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 32):
But no problem, I think that I'll come to HOQ next year, instead of a suitcase I'll simply check a case of Resi on the return flight.

 bigthumbsup 


PH

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: SN-MD11
Posted 2007-11-25 00:22:25 and read 32587 times.

Nice TR.  cheerful 
Sad AY charges for snacks and alcohol between the services, but as many many passengers have exaggerated in the way they were making the most of the airlines, those airlines have no choices but charging !!
We will see that more and more often.

Many passengers have only one goal when they fly on long-haul: DRINKING.

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Leskova
Posted 2007-12-02 22:57:37 and read 32172 times.



Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
We also dropped QR because connecting time in Doha would have been just about an hour - and missing the flight to KIX would have screwed up our dense schedule of domestic traveling in Japan. I also didn't like the prospect of getting A332s on all four sectors.

One hour in Doha would be OK - it's when you have to spend around 5 hours there like I had to last year, that's when things get annoying...  Wink ... and size-wise, I doubt getting through DOH in an hour would be a problem.

Then again, I know that flying the same type of aircraft on four longhauls isn't something you'd like...  Wink ... wasn't too pleased with the four A332s I had on my flight to the Maldives this year either...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Interestingly, it wasn't possible to secure one of the seat pairs on the right side.

Some airlines have fairly strange restrictions on seat reservations - I understand some of them, but sometimes, they're just weird.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
because ANA only had an A320 and Skymark had 738 services later.

Well... an ANA A320 would have been an interesting thing nonetheless, because they're being replaced by B737NGs and won't be in the fleet for too long any more - or has that changed?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
We arrived at the airport about one hour prior to departure and had to wait for at least 20-25 minutes in a long queue.

One of the reasons I check in online is to avoid that... thank goodness there are more and more self-service check-in machines with the possibility of checking in baggage around.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
However, I noticed a constant cool airflow on the window seat.

I've noticed that on a couple of planes as well - quite annoying!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
No IFE boxes required for the plane's early generation IFE system.

That would be heaven to me... or no IFE at all... room for storing your feet rules!!! Big grin

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Legroom was ok

Does look OK - and that's the most important criteria for me, so AY is still on my "maybe" list for flying...  Wink

Quoting JetSetter629 (Reply 2):
Just out of curiosity, but in noticed on the in flight map that it made a "S" turn near Beijing. Is this to avoid North Korean airspace?

Probably has nothing to do - at least primarily - with North Korea, but more with the fact that China has some rather strange and restricted routes through its own airspace.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 14):
I would describe longhaul AY myself as a step above Ryanair/Air Asia, and that's fromsomebody coming from Finland.

Don't worry about that...  Wink ... you should hear people from Germany describing LH's services - and "a step above Ryanair/Air Asia" would often be considered as flattering compared what you'd hear there...  Wink

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 23):
probably catering will be improved again.

Optimist!!! Big grin

In any case, thanks for the great report! I'm still hoping to get to Japan sometime, but I guess that I won't have time even for planning a trip there until 2009...  Sad ... so it'll remain very high on my personal wish-list.

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-12-03 04:16:36 and read 32160 times.

Thanks for your feedback!

Quoting SN-MD11 (Reply 34):
Sad AY charges for snacks and alcohol between the services, but as many many passengers have exaggerated in the way they were making the most of the airlines, those airlines have no choices but charging !!
We will see that more and more often.

Many passengers have only one goal when they fly on long-haul: DRINKING.

This is so true, unfortunately. I don't really mind about charging for alcohol - but charging for snacks is ridiculous.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 35):
... and size-wise, I doubt getting through DOH in an hour would be a problem.

One hour would be fine if the inbound flight is on time, but we feared a delay on the MUC-DOH sector.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 35):
Well... an ANA A320 would have been an interesting thing nonetheless, because they're being replaced by B737NGs and won't be in the fleet for too long any more - or has that changed?

Yes, ANA's A320s will be history sooner or later, but the widebody options were much more tempting...  Wink

Quoting Leskova (Reply 35):
I'm still hoping to get to Japan sometime, but I guess that I won't have time even for planning a trip there until 2009.

That sounds bad, Frank. I can only recommend going there, it's worth the money.


PH

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Ndebele
Posted 2007-12-10 09:02:07 and read 31531 times.

A delayed "thanks for sharing" message from me - haven't spent much time on a.net lately, and there are so many good reports to read. I enjoyed reading this one very much, as I was looking forward to read about your Finnair longhaul experiences. To be honest, I was quite surprised, as I have heard only the best about Finnair's onboard product so far. When it comes to food, I guess it comes always down to one's personal taste - but charging for snacks between the meals? Come on, Finnair, what were you thinking?!
Glad you enjoyed your time in Japan, this country is really amazing, not only from a reg-spotter's point-of-view. Reading your report makes me want to visit Japan again asap.
Regards, Alex.

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-12-11 12:13:51 and read 31356 times.



Quoting Ndebele (Reply 37):
Glad you enjoyed your time in Japan, this country is really amazing, not only from a reg-spotter's point-of-view. Reading your report makes me want to visit Japan again asap.

Servus Alex, thanks for your feedback. Japan is indeed always worth a visit. Next time I want to explore more of the country, apart from the airports.  Wink


PH

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Contact Air
Posted 2007-12-11 12:56:54 and read 31333 times.

Hi PH,

again a very detailed report, a pleasure to read! Interesting to hear about your experiences on Finnair.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
When awake I watched the airshow channel most of the time.

That's the same what I usually do on long-haul flights where PTV is available. Normally I don't really need much entertainment besides a window and an airshow if the flight isn't all too long.

The spotting facilities at Nagoya Airport look really great.

Regards
Christoph

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-12-12 21:31:40 and read 31148 times.



Quoting Contact Air (Reply 39):
Normally I don't really need much entertainment besides a window and an airshow if the flight isn't all too long.

Hi Christoph, thanks for your feedback! Yes, a flight needs to be really long so that a TV program can attract my attention. Though, I also like good games.


PH

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: FlyingAY
Posted 2007-12-14 07:36:26 and read 31033 times.



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 19):
I had never flown on a long-haul carrier before that charges for small snacks between the meals. Even US Airways had a basket with crackers or peanuts for free in the galley. I don't think some free snacks (available for pick-up in the galley) would be too costly, because many passengers sleep on night flights. And even on daylight most passengers don't leave their seats frequently.

Many here have complained about the lack of snacks on the flight. Yes it is true that they charge for those brand-name snacks, but there are same salty snacks (crackers and peanuts I think) available in the galley for free. At least they were there in September when I flew AY long haul last time... And I think they've been there also earlier. These really small plastics bags (had to take several at a time) weren't advertized, but they were available.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 27):
Well. it used to be 299 JFK/DEL/BOM/CAN/PEK/PVG, 449-499 Japan/BKK. Gone are the days it seems.

Definitely. Nowadays even JFK seems to be 399EUR at best. Guess it's the oil prices (how much are the fuel surcharge and taxes on a HEL-JFK flight?), at least to some extent...

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: Musapapaya
Posted 2007-12-14 07:53:40 and read 31023 times.



Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 41):
Unbelievable but true: Finnair charges for snacks on long-haul flights (most items cost 2 Euro). Is this a new round of ridiculous cost saving measures? It's not like passengers storm the galley between the meals on overnight flights.

True that Finnair is disaapointing in this charging of snacks... I did have a loko at them when I was planning to fly MAN to HKG earlier in October. However having known this ridiculous policy I stick with Swiss. Swiss did offer a very good service, true they dont have menus, but their food is of good quality, FA very friendly and plane being spotless. I was on a ex AC bird, it was sparking new. On my return I was on a Swiss bird and yet that one was also neat, clean and tidy.

I have a feeling Swiss is among the very best in Y class. My experience says VS, BA are both below Swiss's level.

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: FlyingAY
Posted 2007-12-14 08:07:06 and read 31008 times.

Musapapaya, you quoted someone else than me, but the quote has my username.

Quoting Musapapaya (Reply 42):
I have a feeling Swiss is among the very best in Y class. My experience says VS, BA are both below Swiss's level.

Generally economy class is just economy class and there aren't so much differences. Also the crews have good days and bad days. I usually fly what's cheapest (or what gets me the right miles, if it is a business trip) and don't complain too much. Having a choice for meal is nice, but I wouldn't pay, for example, 100 euros extra for that! Or the snacks either. Of course, sometimes it's cheaper to fly a carrier with free peanuts and that's nice of course.  Smile

Forgot to congratulate the OP for a nice TR! I'd guess your experiences in the MD-11 weren't any better - hope you post rest of your trip reports soon.

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-12-14 22:55:52 and read 30889 times.

Thanks for your new feedback!

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 41):
Yes it is true that they charge for those brand-name snacks, but there are same salty snacks (crackers and peanuts I think) available in the galley for free. At least they were there in September when I flew AY long haul last time... And I think they've been there also earlier. These really small plastics bags (had to take several at a time) weren't advertized, but they were available.

Interesting, haven't checked that.

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 43):
Having a choice for meal is nice, but I wouldn't pay, for example, 100 euros extra for that! Or the snacks either. Of course, sometimes it's cheaper to fly a carrier with free peanuts and that's nice of course.

Qatar Airways was cheaper than Finnair, for example.

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 43):
Forgot to congratulate the OP for a nice TR! I'd guess your experiences in the MD-11 weren't any better - hope you post rest of your trip reports soon.

True, catering on the MD-11 wasn't any better. Btw - report number two is available here:
Oddities & Okinawa: JTA 734 & JAL 744D(Domestic) (by PlaneHunter Dec 3 2007 in Trip Reports)

Number three should be online in a few hours.


PH

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: TimePilot
Posted 2008-04-14 18:11:09 and read 28897 times.

Great report. I just did ZRH > HEL > NGO this weekend on AY and as soon as I've gotten my slides developed, I'll be posting a report, too. A lot of my observations are the same  Smile

Topic: RE: MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2008-04-16 13:12:32 and read 28285 times.



Quoting TimePilot (Reply 45):
HEL > NGO this weekend on AY and as soon as I've gotten my slides developed, I'll be posting a report, too. A lot of my observations are the same

Alright, will be interesting to read your report.


PH


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