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Topic: AF: The E190 And F100... FRA-DUS-CDG-FRA
Username: Stylo777
Posted 2008-05-15 13:50:12 and read 17764 times.

Hello everybody and welcome to another trip report...

I took advantage of the great, hot and shiny weather here in Germany these days and did a spontaneous trip to DUS for some spotting on the visitor terrace. In my eyes still the best terrace with the best views of all German airports. I returned the same day to Frankfurt, but with a little stop-over in Paris - CDG to log two new types in my log: the Embraer E190 as well as the Fokker 100. Enjoy reading and all comments are really appreciated!

Sunday, 11.05.2008
LH802 Frankfurt (FRA) - Düsseldorf (DUS)
STD:0905 // ATD:0920
OFF:0908 // ONB:0958
STA:0950 // ATA:0954
FRA POS:A24 // RWY:07L
DUS POS:A15 // RWY:05R
SEAT: 11E (Exit row)

Aircraft:
Boeing B737-300 D-ABWH "Rothenburg"
History:
built and delivered in 1989 to Condor
leased to LH 1990 an returned one year later to DE (1991)
after two years again the a/c finally went to LH (since 1993 in LH fleet now)

Flight number 5 on the B737-300 and the first one on this aircraft


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Only about one hour prior to departure I was at the airport, but the lines at security weren't that long so I went through in a couple of minutes. The night before the gate was shown as A10. They changed it the morning to A24 which is still ok as only a walk of five minutes. Far better than A34-A42...  Smile Arrived at the gate I remarked that not only the gate has changed overnight, but also the equipment from B737-500 to B737-300 meaning an upgrade in terms of seatcapacity. Anyway it looked that it would be very difficult for me to get on this flight as 17 (!!!) other passenger were standby'ing along with me. Lucky me I got one of the last seats and was rather surprised to having even an exit row seat.

our aircraft today on this short flight to DUS
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/dabwh_at_gate.jpg

Today the economy class starts at row 9 and between this row up to row 12-13 there were only LH crew members seated, all in uniform. The reason for that are the three new longhaul flights from DUS to EWR, ORD and YYZ. Well except YYZ they are not new, but as known they changed from A319 to A343 since the start of the summer schedule. LH have no DUS-based crews so they fly all dead-head from FRA every morning.

We left the position almost on time about ten minutes later we held short runway 07L. A very steep climb this time, never experienced such a take-off attitude on 733. Due to the great weather very good views outside, but as I was in the middle and having a dead-head purser on my left and a FA on my right I couldn't take any photos on this flight.

My house is located 25km North of the airport. I remarked that especially during summer narrow body aircrafts departing from 07L/R are flying straight over my terrace. My house is underneath the North departure path according to some charts I found on the net. We took the same path as I could identify some familiar buildings, but not my house  Sad

Well, I would like to tell you more about this flight, but it's just another usual Lufthansa domestic service. As coffee, tea and newspapers are available at the gate in FRA no service for Eco, only Business class get a breakfast.

We touched the ground again almost on time at runway 05R and taxied to position A15 (gate A71 if I'm not mistaken). Inside the terminal a lot of construction works are under process.

Inside the terminal I went straight upstairs to check-in area B from where you enter the visitor terrace. Today the entry was free for all (usually 2EUR). Nice...! I spent the whole morning and early noon on the terrace. It wasn't that full as I expected (you know, Sundays families tend to spend a day at airport terraces) so no problems at all to catch all the major movements.

To be honest, I'm still a bloody amateur, but I'm practicing a lot... Here are some good shots, well in my eyes "good shots"... By the way I took more than 400 pictures during my stay.

they still preparing my aircraft for the return leg to FRA
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/IMG_8968.jpg

SU Moscow service
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/IMG_9064.jpg

No.1 - D-AIFF 'Delmenhorst' just left the gate (to EWR)
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/IMG_9198.jpg

No.2 - D-AIGO 'Offenbach' lining up 05R (to ORD)
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/IMG_9178.jpg

No.3 - D-AIFE 'Passau' accelarating on 05R (to YYZ)
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/IMG_9334.jpg

Tuifly with some smoke
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/IMG_9191.jpg

the landlord of DUS
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/IMG_9268.jpg

never saw this one or this airline before, some researches say Aurora Airlines
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/IMG_9158.jpg

as I said, AB is very big at DUS!
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/IMG_9368.jpg

Izair operated on behalf of Pegasus to Istanbul - I'm connected with this airline as it is based in my hometown Izmir  Smile
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/IMG_9435.jpg

winglet service to DTW
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/IMG_9528.jpg

one of the two daily flights approaching 05R
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/IMG_9582.jpg

and finally the aircraft for my second flight today - luckily no equp.change  Smile
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/IMG_9652.jpg

after 2pm and the arrival of the E190 I went inside the terminal again for check-in for my flight to CDG. Due to the very light load on this flight I got my seat immediately, I preferred window all the way in the back and got 18F.

After a good, but rather expensive lunch at the Italian restaurant I made my way to the gate as only 45 minutes to STD.

Topic: RE: AF: The E190 And F100... FRA-DUS-CDG-FRA
Username: Stylo777
Posted 2008-05-15 13:55:48 and read 17748 times.

Sunday, 11.05.2008
AF1907 Dusseldorf (DUS) - Paris - Roissy (CDG)
STD:1625 // ATD:1632
OFF:1620 // ONB:1732
STA:1740 // ATA:1724
DUS POS:V73 // RWY:05R
CDG POS:B3 // RWY:09L
SEAT:5A

Aircraft:
Embraer ERJ-190LR F-HBLC operated by Régional Airlines
History:
built and delivered to Régional 05/2007

Flight number 1 on the E190 and first on this aircraft


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Actually I thought of a simple routing FRA-DUS-FRA to spend some time in downtown Dusseldorf in the afternoon. The day before as I looked through flightsstats.com to see the expected movements for this day I remarked this flight. Well, I rather remarked the equipment E90. I've never been onboard this type and immediately changed my plans to catch this one as it perfectly fits into my schedule. Therefore I was very happy about that they didn't change the equipment. I'm a great fan of the Embraer E170 and I was always looking forward to a flight with the bigger and newer E90!

They commenced boarding ontime and I counted exactly 30 passenger for this flight. At this time I was getting more and more excited Big grin After a bus ride we finally approached -LC... What a beauty!!!!!!!!

as usual I'm the last one to board  Smile I love those nose sections of the E's
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/fhblc_dus001.jpg

If I'm not mistaken these are GE engines
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/fhblc_dus002.jpg

During boarding the aircraft I remarked that they changed my seat from 18F to 5A. I really don't know when they changed my boarding pass, I think at the gate when I asked the ground crew for the departure gate of the CDG-FRA flight. Inside the aircraft I realized why, I think due to trim as everybody was seated in the front part of the aircraft. Anyway still a window seat and the aisle remained free.

The aircraft is equipt with dark blue leather seats, still looking brand new and I think it looks a little bit more spacious than the smaller E70, amazing legroom and very big windows, the biggest on any aircraft still around.

Welcome in French and English by the female chef de cabine. We left our position five minutes ahead of schedule which hopefully give me some more minutes to catch my rather tight connecting flight to FRA. Only 40 minutes between both flights with terminal change (2F to 2D), without boarding pass, the knowledge that we will be bus'ed to the terminal and that all in Paris Charles De Gaulle... I know I'm very brave, but later more... Big grin

At 05R two aircrafts in front of us (DE/753 and AB/738). Line-up and ready for take-o... eeehm... I'm mean 'ready to shoooot'... Oh my godness, this is such a great feeling! Like a rocket we accelerated on the runway and took-off with a very steep climb rate. Is this usual with the E90 or just on my flight due to light load?

After a left turn DUS airport was in our sight
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/dus_topview.jpg

Sorry for the quality of the pictures taken inside the aircrafts. For these shots I don't use my DSRL, only my small digicam.

Believe it or not, there is more space in a regular seat than on a exit seat of the 733. There you go...
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/legroom_e90.jpg

After some preparations the beverage service started immediately. A free drink and a snack was on offer
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/af_catering.jpg

During flight also the Captain welcomed us on board. Routing was DUS-MST-CRL-CDG. I enjoyed every minute of the remaining flight, but it passed-by rather quickly and our descent to Roissy was commenced.

In the distance I spotted the airport
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/cdg_topview.jpg

15 minutes ahead of schedule we touched the ground again on runway 09L which means a long taxi time to Terminal 2. Luckily not that long as expected and right in front of Terminal 2D we stopped and parked. Though the bus would take us to 2F. 'Merci beaucoup' to the crew and final shot of the beauty of the day...

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/e90_cdg_lastshot.jpg

A short, but great flight ended here.

Sunday, 11.05.2008
AF2418 Paris - Roissy (CDG) - Frankfurt (FRA)
STD:1830 // ATD:1848
OFF:1835 // ONB:1946
STA:1950 // ATA:1936
CDG POS:G31 // RWY:09R
FRA POS:D05A // RWY:07L
SEAT:4F

Aircraft:
Fokker 100 F-GNLI operated by Régional Airlines

History:
built in 1991 and delivered to TAT - Transport Aerien Transregional (AF regional partner)
1994-1997 Deutsche BA
1997 returned to TAT and later Air Liberte (after fusion of both airlines)
2003 finally to Régional Airlines

First flight on Fokker 100...


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There were several other AF/LH flights later that day, but I tried the earliest one as the Fokker 100 was shown as equipment. The Fokker is also a type which was still missing in my log. Actually a workmate and I planned to log this type later this month on a trip to AMS, but to be honest I couldn't resist and tried to catch it.

As said, no boarding pass as I'm travelling standby, only 40minutes to get through the terminals and the security.

Luckily there was a transfer center where the bus let us out. No lines there and I got my boarding pass with a window seat in row 4 immediately. A short orientation and the run starts. At this time only 25 minutes for STD. During my run to Terminal 2D I remarked a rather busy airport with a lot of passengers around. The security lines in front of the gate weren't that full so I was through in no time. Departure gate at the very end of this terminal part (D53A) and boarding already started. I think I was one of the lasts to board the bus. Inside the bus I was a little bit irritated as except 3-4 others only Japanese people, must be a group on a '10-days-all-around-Europe' trip.  Smile

At this time I was sweating a little bit, but was very happy to be able to catch this flight. If I hadn't run through the terminals I would never catch it.

Arrived at the aircraft I was again the last to board

my first Fokker 100
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/f100_cdg_002.jpg

again operated by
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/af_by_regional.jpg

Right after me the purser commenced 'embarque termine' so I made myself comfortable on 4F instead of 4A where a lady was sitting on 4B. Again due to a light load I had the row for myself. In the back of the aircraft almost 40-50 Japanese people.

My first impression of the Fokker100: looks like a MD... 2-3 configuration, cloth seats, old and worn, illumination rather MD-like than E-Jet-like. Nevertheless the seats were very comfortable and more or less good legroom

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/legroom_100.jpg

A very, very attractive chef de cabine welcomed us onboard in French and English. She was ever smiling throughout the whole flight and as she found out that I'm working for LH, but flying with AF she gave me more of her attention. We had some nice chit-chat during the flight. But back to the flight itself...  Smile

A little bit delayed we left our position and taxied to 09R. We stopped every now and then, because of heavy taxi-traffic on our way.

On our way to the runway the majestic Concorde
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/concorde.jpg

After an Air France A320 we took-off just parallel to another AF jet departing from one of the 08 runways

CDG shortly after take-off
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/cdg_topview002.jpg

I was getting a little bit tired and decided to close my eyes for a while. Some time later the same service with a free drink and a snack, again tomato juice and cookies for me.

As the load were light the lovely purser had again some time for a chit-chat Big grin Afterwards I enjoyed the great sights outside. The weather was clear and not a single cloud was in the air.

I spotted this airfield, about 5-7 minutes flight time West of HHN, anybody any idea?
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/unknown_airfield.jpg

and later HHN,
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m262/stylooow/FRADUSCDGFRA/hhn_topview.jpg

believe it or not I could even spot an aircraft landing in HHN, most probably a FR jet Big grin it is hardly identifiable on the picture, but if you look carefully you'll see a white spot...

Another short flight was coming to an end as captain announced the approach to Frankfurt. Along the Rhine river we descent directly towards the airport and about 15 minutes later touched down on runway 07L.

A busy FRA airport during the evening, a lot of aircrafts arriving and departing after us, mainly LH-metal. Ten minutes after touch-down we were on the blocks again at a gate position at Terminal 2 (D05). Merci et au revoir to the crew and especially to the purser.

Overall conclusion:

1) LH solid and professional as always
2) E190: my new sweat-heart! Very spacious, brand new, big windows, clean and comfortable
3) F100: old fashioned, nevertheless comfortable and not too noisy
4) AF by Régional: ontime performance, attractive and also attentive crews on my two flights, free drink and some small snacks

I highly recommend to fly on an E190 one time, its a great aircraft! AF by Régional is good and I would always fly them again.

Thanks very much for reading. Any comments are highly appreciated.

Regards

Ori

Topic: RE: AF: The E190 And F100... FRA-DUS-CDG-FRA
Username: FLIEGER67
Posted 2008-05-15 14:27:20 and read 17676 times.

Hi, Ori,

great story, great pix, congrats.

Such an enjoyable non-rev life.
I´am always working three to four months ahead to catch acceptable fares!.

Read some real positive comments the last time about the E190, time to log it immediatelly.

Also congrats to the two new types for your log, not that easy to catch it with these A319/A320 planes everywhere.

BTW, spend some non-scheduled time at the FRA T2 terrace last Monday.
I´ve shuttled my wife/son and mother in law to FRA for the DE flight to LPA.
Originally scheduled on the A320, 1.15 pm, later rescheduled to a 763, 06.30 am, we arrived 4.00 am,
and finally eight hours delayed to 2.30 pm. The non-unusual situation with DE B763´s.
Had a nice chat with the friendly girl there at check-in, she secured Comfort class seats when I´ve asked and was surprised that I know the configuration and the difference. My son was very impressed about Comfort class.
Condor payed a room at the Steigenberger Airport Center with full breakfast and lunch, so not that bad in the end.

Hope to read more about you´re travels soon and
best regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)

Topic: RE: AF: The E190 And F100... FRA-DUS-CDG-FRA
Username: DALCE
Posted 2008-05-16 02:01:09 and read 17167 times.

Hi Ori,

You really made very nice routing with some interesting birds.
Congrats on 2 new types in your log. Both types are still failing in my log.
Also nice to catch the D-ABWH, somehow an odd rego in the LH 737 fleet.

Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
They changed it the morning to A24 which is still ok as only a walk of five minutes. Far better than A34-A42...

Absolutely true. I have to admit was quite lucky the last couple of times in FRA.
It seems that A42 is no longer the "standard AMS-gate"  Smile

Great aswell to see the 340's operational at DUS.

Thank you for sharing Ori, hope to read more of your travelling soon!
Viele Grüsse,
Joost ( D-ALCE )

Topic: RE: AF: The E190 And F100... FRA-DUS-CDG-FRA
Username: OA260
Posted 2008-05-16 02:11:34 and read 17159 times.

Hey great TR, I love the E jets .... I agree with you on the legroom. Always very comfortable thats why I like it. All airlines should consider getting them for intra EU flights. Its like a Biz jet.

Nice photos and read. I actually didnt realise AF or their subs had E jets.

Also like the photo of Tuifly with the smoke !! A great photo to catch.

Thanks for the report.

OA260

Topic: RE: AF: The E190 And F100... FRA-DUS-CDG-FRA
Username: StefanPAD
Posted 2008-05-16 08:39:27 and read 16837 times.

Hi Ori!

Great TR and nice pics. Thanks for sharing!

Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
To be honest, I'm still a bloody amateur, but I'm practicing a lot... Here are some good shots, well in my eyes "good shots"...

I enjoyed your photos very much, especially the SU 319.

Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
As said, no boarding pass as I'm travelling standby

You can travel standby on AF as a LH staff?

Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
...and as she found out that I'm working for LH, but flying with AF she gave me more of her attention.

Nice touch  Smile

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
I actually didnt realise AF or their subs had E jets.

Maybe only the E190 is new. I've been on an AF Régional E145 in 2005 from CDG to HAJ.

Cheers,
Stefan

Topic: RE: AF: The E190 And F100... FRA-DUS-CDG-FRA
Username: Stylo777
Posted 2008-05-16 15:01:27 and read 16568 times.

Hello again to everybody and thanks for your nice replies!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
Read some real positive comments the last time about the E190, time to log it immediatelly.

go for it! for sure the most modern and comfortable regionaljet around. but in our hemisphere very difficult to catch at the moment, I think only AF, AY and BE have them

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
Also congrats to the two new types for your log, not that easy to catch it with these A319/A320 planes everywhere.

correct! I try avoiding any of these types at the moment, I'm very used to it and its getting boring; well to whom do I say this Big grin

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 2):
The non-unusual situation with DE B763´s.
Had a nice chat with the friendly girl there at check-in,

last month we handed over the handling to Swissport. I had some discussions with the former DE-agents. they said they are very happy about Condor left LH in terms of groundhandling, because of the 763's. very tight scheduled and a lot of maintenance issues causes hours of delay. too sad for an airline like Condor!
nevertheless it seems they handled the situation very well with a dayroom in a good hotel.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 3):
Also nice to catch the D-ABWH, somehow an odd rego in the LH 737 fleet.

yes indeed, it is not in the usual reg range as it is a former Condor bird and kept the rego

Quoting DALCE (Reply 3):
It seems that A42 is no longer the "standard AMS-gate"

well, two of the seven (actually six plus one cancelled) flights departed from A42 Big grin I would say, if you fly FRA-AMS expect A24-A42  Wink

Quoting DALCE (Reply 3):
hope to read more of your travelling soon!

end of May/June will be a very busy month, hope to catch some unusal birds  Smile

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
Hey great TR, I love the E jets .... I agree with you on the legroom. Always very comfortable thats why I like it. All airlines should consider getting them for intra EU flights. Its like a Biz jet.

amen! nothing to add here Big grin

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
I actually didnt realise AF or their subs had E jets.

Régional has 6 frames in service. the first one they took deliver 11/2006, but I have no clue on which routes they are used.

Quoting StefanPAD (Reply 5):
I enjoyed your photos very much, especially the SU 319.

thx, the SU livery is in my eyes one of the best liveries on the A32x's

Quoting StefanPAD (Reply 5):
You can travel standby on AF as a LH staff?

we can standby on almost every airline!


once again, thanks for your replies!

regards / gruesse
Ori

Topic: RE: AF: The E190 And F100... FRA-DUS-CDG-FRA
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2008-05-17 03:34:11 and read 16342 times.

Nice report, Ori. Congrats for getting two new types.

Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
Line-up and ready for take-o... eeehm... I'm mean 'ready to shoooot'... Oh my godness, this is such a great feeling! Like a rocket we accelerated on the runway and took-off with a very steep climb rate. Is this usual with the E90 or just on my flight due to light load?

I was also surprised when I had my first E190 flight on jetBlue. Takeoff has always been a pleasure on the E170/E190.

Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
3) F100: old fashioned, nevertheless comfortable and not too noisy

I can't stand the vacuum cleaner-like engine sound...  Wink


PH

Topic: RE: AF: The E190 And F100... FRA-DUS-CDG-FRA
Username: BA319-131
Posted 2008-05-17 09:09:02 and read 16267 times.

Hi Ori, nice report and pictures, looks like you had a good day.

Quoting Stylo777 (Thread starter):
my rather tight connecting flight to FRA. Only 40 minutes between both flights with terminal change (2F to 2D), without boarding pass, the knowledge that we will be bus'ed to the terminal and that all in Paris Charles De Gaulle... I know I'm very brave

- Brave indeed!

Always nice to add new types to your log, two in one day is special indeed!

Regards

Mark

Topic: RE: AF: The E190 And F100... FRA-DUS-CDG-FRA
Username: RockyRacoon
Posted 2008-05-17 14:02:09 and read 16185 times.

Nice report sir, one of the better I've read in a while. I need to get on an E 190 one of these days.

Topic: RE: AF: The E190 And F100... FRA-DUS-CDG-FRA
Username: RockyRacoon
Posted 2008-05-17 14:02:41 and read 16185 times.

Nice report sir, one of the better that I've read in a while. I need to get on an E 190 one of these days.

Topic: RE: AF: The E190 And F100... FRA-DUS-CDG-FRA
Username: FlySSC
Posted 2008-05-18 02:35:52 and read 16069 times.

Thanks for this great TR, Ori !

Those old cramp F100 & F70 suck ! I hate them ! just like all other rear mounted engines airplanes (1 exception the "old lady" Caravelle)

I like the ERJ190 much better ! I flew one (F-HBLC) on CDG-MUC (substitute of an A318) and I loved it. Probably the best 100 seater of all times and much more comfortable than any CRJ.

Topic: RE: AF: The E190 And F100... FRA-DUS-CDG-FRA
Username: TommyBP251b
Posted 2008-05-18 04:20:06 and read 16007 times.



Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 1):
I spotted this airfield, about 5-7 minutes flight time West of HHN, anybody any idea?

Hi Stylo 777!

It is Spangdahlem Air Base!  Smile

Regards Tom

Topic: RE: AF: The E190 And F100... FRA-DUS-CDG-FRA
Username: Airbuseric
Posted 2008-05-18 07:48:42 and read 15944 times.

Ori

nice report, and good to know that your scored 2 new types! I'm getting jealous, as I was also planning to do the Emb 190 and 195 this year, but still didn't book a flight on those. Are the loads on DUS-CDG usually that low with AF? Otherwise I might try the same routing ...

Fokker 100 is a nice aircraft, especially when seated in front. I flew them a lot lately (KL, AB, OS, AF) and can't complain until now. Seatpitch was usually good, except OS which was having the worst pitch. AF/Régional was good for a ORY-CFE flight, although service might be a bit up regarding the catering.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
I actually didnt realise AF or their subs had E jets

They do, it's part of a (joined) order for AF/KL. Later this year KL also get the first E90's. They are/will be flown by either Régional or the Cityhopper operations.

And AF also got the ERJ-135 and -145. I got the ER3 on CFE-AMS last year. Nice machine, like on a biz-jet  Wink

Cheers,
Eric

Topic: RE: AF: The E190 And F100... FRA-DUS-CDG-FRA
Username: Stylo777
Posted 2008-05-18 14:52:25 and read 15834 times.



Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 8):



Quoting RockyRacoon (Reply 9):

thanks Mark, thanks RockyRacoon for your replies!

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 11):
(1 exception the "old lady" Caravelle)

 cloudnine 
I would give a lot to fly the "old lady" !!!

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 11):

I like the ERJ190 much better ! I flew one (F-HBLC) on CDG-MUC (substitute of an A318) and I loved it. Probably the best 100 seater of all times and much more comfortable than any CRJ.

bonsoir! and merci for your nice reply!
you know I planned the same routing (CDG-MUC) months ago and I would take an E-Jet over an Airbi anytime! They are indeed the best 100er around and beats not only the CRJ. Also the smaller Airbi (A318/319) as well as the Boeing's (735/736) aren't as good as the E90 in my eyes, not to mention the Avros and Fokkers... Big grin

Quoting TommyBP251b (Reply 12):
It is Spangdahlem Air Base!

thank you Tom! If I'm not mistaken this is an important US Air Base, isn't it?

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 13):
Are the loads on DUS-CDG usually that low with AF? Otherwise I might try the same routing ...

hi Eric, thanks for your reply!
I've no idea about the loads on this route, but they have six daily flights so I'm guessing it's a feeder to CDG-hub.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 13):
AF/Régional was good for a ORY-CFE flight,

CFE is also on my list, let's see when I'll go there

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 13):
Later this year KL also get the first E90's.

seems that the E-Jets are more and more popular in Europe.
I think all major airlines with regional subsidiaries and CRJ, RJ, Fokker etc. fleet should replace them with these high-tech birds!

Topic: RE: AF: The E190 And F100... FRA-DUS-CDG-FRA
Username: TommyBP251b
Posted 2008-05-18 23:10:11 and read 15771 times.



Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 14):
thank you Tom! If I'm not mistaken this is an important US Air Base, isn't it?

Yes it is, check here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spangdahlem_Air_Base

Regards Tom


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