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Topic: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-06-16 00:13:07 and read 27656 times.

BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check and KLM 777


Background
This report is the last part of a series of three - here are the first two:
MUC-AMS-MEM-ATL On NWA A332 And 40-year-old DC-9 (by PlaneHunter May 21 2007 in Trip Reports)
ATL-PIT-JFK-BOS: FL B717, JetBlue E190 And Delays (by PlaneHunter May 30 2007 in Trip Reports)

Intro
After spending a night at the Days Inn at Saugus some 10 miles from Boston Logan I checked out at noon and took the shuttle to the airport. My Delta Connection flight to JFK wouldn't depart earlier than 19:00 so I hoped to find a good place for spotting at BOS.
When I had searched for flights on KLM's website in January, I was offered a list of numerous flight combinations to choose from - but KLM's B777 (which I wanted to get) was only available in combination with a rather late connection to JFK, departing at 19:00. All earlier BOS-JFK flights were combined with KLM's B744.

Check-in Confusion
All my flights showed a KLM flight number so I left the shuttle at the international terminal and headed for the combined NWA/KLM check-in area, run by NWA. I tried to enter my booking code into a self check-in machine and I got an error message. After trying some more times I went to a counter with a rather unkind female agent. She tried and told me should couldn't find my reservation. She asked where I would go to and I told her I would fly via AMS to MUC after connecting to JFK. She seemed to be confused and said that there would be a nonstop from BOS to AMS on Northwest. Then she asked me which carrier would fly me to JFK and when I said "Delta Connection" she answered I should go to a regular Delta check-in counter. "We don't have access to Delta", she added. The fact that all flights showed a KL flight number didn't matter. So I grabbed my luggage and walk all across the airport to Terminal A...

KLM Seat Map? No Access...
At a DL counter a very kind agent checked my reservation and wondered why I wanted to check in so early. She immediately offered me to take an earlier flight to JFK and I agreed. Then she printed a boarding pass for a confirmed flight at 18:00 (at least one hour earlier than planned) and gave me a standby boarding pass for a flight at 14:00. "But I think this one will be hard to get", she added and told me to ask at the gate for a free seat on any of the consecutive afternoon flights.
The next surprise: "I can't get access to the KLM seat map", she said. "I can print a boarding pass but only with a randomly chosen seat." The boarding pass showed a middle seat (B) and she advised me to ask for a new seat at a KLM counter at JFK. Therefore I really hoped to get to JFK as soon as possible because I wanted to reserve a window seat. It had been much easier for the NWA flight to MEM because one can reserve seats on NWA's websites in advance. KLM doesn't offer such a genial feature.

Spotting
Before I passed security I went back to the parking garages and tried to get some registrations. The roof offered nice views but several construction workers were around so it would have been a matter of time until someone called the cops. The Boston skyline:





Monday, 12 March 2007
Boston (BOS) - New York (JFK)
Comair DL5511
14:00-15:23 (14:47-15:47)
Flying time: 00:43 (hrs)

Canadair CRJ200ER
N528CA (MSN 7481), delivered 09/2003
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Passing the Puffer
Just when I had put my hand luggage on the x-ray machine a TSA guy asked me to pass one of the new "puffer" machines which are designed to test for explosive traces or other chemicals. I had never had the "pleasure" to walk into that apparatus and the TSA agent explained what to do. He told me I would be shot by air and I should stand straight until the door opens again. Within seconds air shot out of dozens of nozzles and after it stopped I waited for the green signal. It took some 20 seconds, which can be quite a long time in such a machine...  tired 
After I had grabbed all my stuff I walked to a desk where a TSA agent was apparently watching the events at and around the apparatus. I asked him about the function of the machine and he willingly answered, explaining that the air releases microscopic particles from clothes and skin for an analysis. "Very expensive machines", he said and added: "The analysis still takes too long and we have about 20 false alarms per day." I guess such a false alarm can REALLY screw up your day...  melting 

Waiting on Standby
At the gate area for the BOS-JFK shuttle flights I noticed some delays and could log some more registrations, though views were limited. A while after boarding had started I was surprised to hear my name on the loudspeaker. I immediately went to the desk where a five-member Indian family was already waiting. Just when it was my turn a lady with her teenage son passed me from behind and pushed to the front - what cheek!  embarrassed 
After some seven people had apparently got a seat on standby I had doubts there would be one left, but it worked out well. I received my boarding pass and was asked for immediate boarding.

Two Seats, Four Passengers
When I entered the CRJ's cabin I noticed two young guys standing next to the cockpit door - I immediately guessed that their seats had been assigned twice. I walked down to the second last row and took my window seat next to a girl belonging to that Indian family.
Some minutes later all seats were occupied and the two guys were still waiting. Suddenly an announcement confirmed my thoughts, two seats had been assigned twice. So I knew two standby passengers would be kicked off again and I wasn't amused when suddenly a grim looking female supervisor started running down the aisle...I feared the worst but then she passed and chose two other victims - and interestingly, the ones who had to say bye, bye were the lady and her son who had pushed to the front only 15 minutes earlier...  checkmark 

Precaution
Doors were closed and I could add N528CA to my list - nice that I finally got the CRJ200 after having flown only on the CRJ100 before. I noticed the Indian girl monitoring my notebook and the registration list so I decided to tell her a few sentences about my hobby. She was surprised to hear about that and asked some more questions. Definitely better than having yet another one calling the cops after landing...

Parked next to us was sister-ship N964CA, a -100 series:




Flight
We left the gate more than 45 minutes late and finally took off at 14:57...




...overflying runway 32:




Snack
15 minutes later small bottles of water were served and the FA offered different items in a basket. I took a bag of peanuts and tasty cheese filled wafers.




Approach
Just after I had finished my snack and put the water into my hand luggage the approach was started. We overflew another airport...



...and large housing areas...




...before touching down at 15:40. Ten minutes later we had the pleasure to walk to the terminal in cool and windy conditions - at least a part of the walkway was roofed over, looking like a long tent.


New York JFK: New Boarding Pass
I immediately left Terminal 3 and went straight to KLM's check-in counters at Terminal 4. I had to wait in line for a while and then asked a male agent to put me on a window seat in the last or second last row. When he realized I was talking about the late evening flight he mentioned that they would now be checking in pax for the afternoon flight. However he finally logged onto the seat map and printed a new boarding pass with seat 43 A. Though the flight's departure time was 23:15, the agent told me to be at the gate at 20:30 and even wrote that time onto the boarding pass with a red pen.
Some time later I discovered that instead of my last name it said S-last name on the boarding pass. At that time I hadn't seen the SSSS-entry yet and went back to the counter to ask whether that boarding pass had been correctly printed. A female agent first asked an older workmate and then assured everything would be fine...

Spotting at JFK
It was only 15:30 in the afternoon, so plenty of time left for spotting. Two years ago I had discovered a great place one level above the AirTrain station between Terminals 5 and 6. There's a corner with elevators - and with stairs located directly behind, almost out of sight for people heading to the terminal. Most travellers use the elevators so only few people go around the corner. Due to dark green glass, nobody can see you from the street level or from the walkway to the terminal. The place is high enough to provide great views of one runway, a part of the jetBlue's Terminal 6 and many aircraft taxiing to other terminals. A similar place can be found above the AirTrain station at Terminals 2/3.

Selectee!!! The SSSS-Check
After sunset I spend some time with eating and reading and finally headed for security. At all different airports during my trip the security staff checking boarding passes and IDs had been quite ok, sometimes even friendly. This time the lady looked grim and only nodded. I left my hand luggage and a basket filled with shoes and the liquids bag on the x-ray machine and passed the metal detector. One second later I faced an even more furious looking guy who just took my boarding pass and told me straight and loudly: "You have been selected for secondary screening! Wait over here! The guy pointed at a small rubber mat on the floor, surrounded on three sides by a waist-high barrier tape. Just in that moment, I watched another screener opening my hand luggage bag and taking out the little bottle of water from the Comair flight which I had totally forgotten...what a great coincidence I thought!  Yeah sure

While I was standing in that tiny "penalty box", in socks and without belt, I noticed the gate area was probably just 50 meters away and some pax bound for an Aer Lingus flight were watching the scene. Suddenly the furious looking guy yelled "Selecteeeee!!!" I wasn't sure what he meant but after a few moments another TSA guy showed up - apparently the "selectee checker". He started talking fast like reading from a paper and told me the "triggers" for being selected, mentioning the purchase of one-way tickets, unusual routings and a number of other reasons. Then I realized the check-in agent must have put me on the SSSS-list because I requested a seat change and a new boarding pass...
Then my "personal checker" pointed at my luggage and other stuff at the shelf of the x-ray machine and asked: "Is that your luggage and your basket?". I confirmed and he told me: 'Do not touch that stuff any more from now on!" What an illogical order, considering that my luggage was three or four meters away, totally out of reach...  Yeah sure  Yeah sure

He took my stuff, told me to follow him to a table and advised me to sit down on a chair. Then he said: "Now you have the chance to explain yourself." I only thought WHAT? Then I wondered how much the TSA would know about my rather unusual trip and the combination of different airlines. Considering that he would search my belongings and probably find my itinerary, I simply explained that I like flying.
Before he started checking my luggage I got a body search and again the Aer Lingus pax had an interesting show to watch...the guy then checked every pocket of my hand luggage and my biggest hope was that he wouldn't have a look at my little notebook with hundreds of registrations - which, together with all the airline codes, may appear very strange to a TSA agent. I was indeed relieved when he closed the very pocket with my notebook...
Finally he wiped parts of my luggage and my clothes with a kind of cloth and then disappeared - the obligatory check for explosive traces. After three or four minutes he came back and I was fearing the worst for a fraction of a second when he started his first sentence with "Unfortunately". Though what he said was: "Unfortunately we have to do these random checks. Thank you for your patience and have a good flight." Yes, thanks a lot.  Yeah sure



Monday, 12 March 2007
New York (JFK) - Amsterdam (AMS)
KLM KL644
23:15-11:20 (23:42-11:31)
Flying time: 06:16 (hrs)

Boeing 777-206ER
PH-BQK Mount Kilimanjaro (s/n 499), delivered 01/2005
Economy Seat 43A



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Late Arrival
KL643 landed more than an hour late from Amsterdam and arrived at the gate shortly before 22:00. The aircraft was PH-BQK, named Mount Kilimanjaro.




Occupied Seat and Smelly Food
Though KLM tried to start boarding on time it was delayed for a while because there was an older man to be carried in a sickbed which slowed down the process. When I finally arrived at my row I found a young lady sitting at the window, partly stretching over the middle seat and eating a foul smelling Asian meal from an airport fast food restaurant. I said "Hello" and guessed she would realize I wanted to go to my seat. But she only looked at me and continued eating. Then I told her the window seat was mine but all I got was an irritated look and the reply: "I have a real mess here." Indeed, she had created a mess with her smelly food boxes - drops of the meal's sauce had even ended up at both the middle seat and a pillow.  embarrassed 
Meanwhile a kind female flight attendant had shown up and asked whether everything was alright. Just when I started explaining that I had reserved the window seat the young lady finally moved her back as well as her belongings, though very slowly. Somehow I got the impression she was under influence of anything. At least the middle seat remained empty, load was around 85% in Economy.

Cabin Comfort & Seat
The seats on KLM's B777 are very comfortable and the legroom is quite generous. What's most interesting - the IFE box is not located under the window seat but under the aisle seat. Very good decision, considering that passengers on an aisle seat can stretch out much easier and can stand up at any time.



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More Fuel...
After boarding was completed the captain explained that the delay had been caused by the aircraft's late arrival at AMS. Though he was optimistic about an on time arrival: "I have requested some extra fuel so we can fly faster!"  thumbsup 

Takeoff
We were pushed back at 23:42 and finally turned in for a powerful takeoff one minute after midnight. I couldn't use the flash at night and tried an alternative:

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Snack
Some 30 minutes after takeoff nuts and a first round of drinks were served. I ordered Ginger Ale on ice:




IFE
KLM's B777s are equipped with an AVOD IFE system that offers a wide range of movies, TV features, music CDs and games as well as the flight tracking channel. It cannot match Emirates' ICE system but it's still more than enough to prevent boredom on long flights. The PTVs are also smaller than the latest models on EK, EY or SQ but again they're ok. The flight was too short to explore much of the system, but I rated it very satisfying.

Dinner
According to the late departure a light dinner was served more than an hour after takeoff. I chose chicken breast with mash potatoes and green beans, accompanied by couscous, chocolate cake and a bread roll. While the presentation looked a bit cheap (especially the green tray), the food was very tasty - better than on NWA regarding both quality and quantity. An ice cold Heineken was my drink of choice:




Replacing a Heineken
Only two hours ago I had wondered about the lady's Chinese sauce on both seat and pillow - now it was my turn. I somehow struck the half filled glass of beer and within a second the cool Heineken spilled over the table, my pants and the seat. I called an FA and asked for some napkins which she handed over to me only a minute later. She just smiled and said: "It dries quite fast in an aircraft!"  Smile Another FA, also a kind guy, offered a replacement beer after that. Btw - the young lady didn't witness anything as she had been sleeping since we had taxied to the runway...

Cruising
After dinner I tried to get some sleep and three hours later we had almost crossed the Atlantic Ocean:




Flight data in Dutch:






Monocrystals on the window:




Breakfast
Some 75 minutes prior to landing a light and tasty breakfast was served, comprising orange juice, raspberry yogurt with cereals, a cinnamon granola bar and a muffin.




Approach
On approach to AMS we passed a large off-shore wind farm...




...before overflying the coast...




...and diving into foggy skies:




The wing cutting dense wafts of mists seconds from touchdown:




Wake-up Call...
After touching down at the Polder runway it took us almost 15 minutes to reach our gate. Everybody jumped up and was ready to get off the aircraft - but not the young lady in the aisle seat. She was still sleeping - and it seemed I had to wake her up once again. During the flight I already had woken her up twice on leaving my seat and returning a few minutes later. This time I said "Excuse me?" twice, the second time a bit louder, but nothing happened. Then I loudly said: "Hello, we have arrived!" No reaction yet - and a Dutch couple in the last row already started laughing at my desperate attempts to revitalize that lady. Finally I had no choice and gave her a push which actually worked. She looked quite confused, gave me an irritated look, suddenly jumped up and ran down the aisle...  scratchchin 

Mount Kilimanjaro's nose in daylight:





Tuesday, 13 March 2007
Amsterdam (AMS) -- Munich (MUC)
KLM KL1797
15:15-16:40 (15:17-16:46)
Flying time: 01:05 (hrs)

Boeing 737-4Y0
PH-BPC Ernest Hemingway (s/n 1747), first delivered to Air UK Leisure 07/1989
Economy Seat 11F



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Spotting & Boarding
While walking through the terminals I noticed long queues in front of several transfer desks and crowded gate areas. Later I found out that numerous flights had been cancelled that morning due to thick fog around AMS. I spend the remaining hours with spotting and finally entered the last bird on this trip. This time it was PH-BPC, a B737-400 originally delivered to Air UK Leisure in 1989.




Emergency Exit
I was surprised to find my seat in the overwing exit row which offers excellent legroom. A kind flight attendant instructed me about the safety prodecures, several times emphasizing "just in case"...




Polder, Volume IV
For the fourth time in a row the Polder was our runway of choice, after leaving the gate it took almost 20 minutes until we could take off. Views were limited due to a scratched plastic pane covering the window:




Snack
Just like on the MUC-AMS service cheese and ham sandwiches were offered. This time I tried ham and it tasted not as dry as its cheese counterpart. However, too much mayonnaise for my taste. The coffee was quite good, though.




The remaining flight to MUC was uneventful and we touched down at 16:41. I grabbed my luggage 20 minutes later and headed home after a successful and enjoyable spotting trip.


Conclusion
Delta's part of the trip was very limited, but it was a positive experience. The ground staff at BOS was very helpful and they managed to get to JFK earlier than expected. However, the Skyteam partners still have to improve their cooperation so that seat requests can be handled easier. The ride on Comair was nice, but it can't match jetBlue in terms of aircraft type, cabin equipment and personal service.

Flying KLM was a pleasure yet again. Just like on my last KL long haul trip crews were very kind and helpful, both on the ground and in the air. KL's B777 is well equipped with comfortable seats and plenty of legroom. What I like most is the location of the IFE box under the aisle seat. The AVOD IFE itself offers a wide range of options, definitely enough to spend 10+ hours in the air. The B737 classics' interiors are a bit outdated but still offer sufficient comfort for short haul flights. Catering could be improved - the sandwiches on European services aren't culinary delights. The light dinner on the long haul service tasted good, but the meals' presentation should be improved. The breakfast was absolutely sufficient, but they should serve it on a tray.

KLM beats NWA in most categories (seat comfort, leg room, IFE, crews, catering and onboard service) but needs to improve its website, especially the option to view and manage bookings. I can fully recommend KLM for long haul flying - but those who rate IFE important should only choose the A330 or the B777.


As usual, comments, opinions and questions welcome!


Best Regards,
PlaneHunter

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: DALelite
Posted 2007-06-16 00:59:30 and read 27562 times.

Excellent TR. Somewhat i feel sorry for you for searching you!!! I went through this several times and still
it happens to me. I was taken to hospital for x-raying my stomach. I was put in to custody for they thought that i was suspictious. A nd all that happened before 911. I think because i am black.

Anyway , anyhow, thank you for flying on Skyteam. I am glad that DL was of any help to ya and you enjoyed your
KLM flight.

have a nice weekend:DALelite

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Lu
Posted 2007-06-16 02:44:41 and read 27411 times.

Terrific report. The character on the napkin is so riveting.

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: PlateMan
Posted 2007-06-16 07:07:06 and read 27096 times.

Excellent TR, one of my favorites. Great writing style and pictures. You have left no question unanswered

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: AY104
Posted 2007-06-16 08:12:53 and read 27028 times.

Thanks for a great trip report! I have been wanting to book KLM from YVR-AMS return, but their website keeps deferring to the NW website, which is an experience I would rather do without. I just wonder how much business KLM loses by having it's website set up so that anyone traveling from North America has to book on the NW website? So discouraged I was by that, I have chosen a completely different carrier/routing.
Also, I agree it is very inconvenient in this day and age to not be able to book a seat, or have the ability to get only a generic seat at a partner checkin.
Cheers,
AY104

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Davescj
Posted 2007-06-16 08:44:09 and read 26973 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
It had been much easier for the NWA flight to MEM because one can reserve seats on NWA's websites in advance. KLM doesn't offer such a genial feature

Neither does BA for reasons that i can't begin to concieve.

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: The777Man
Posted 2007-06-16 08:57:16 and read 26956 times.

Hi PlaneHunter!

Fantastic report as usual!

Hopefully we can meet up again sometime in the future.

Take Care

The777Man

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Deaphen
Posted 2007-06-16 09:49:48 and read 26907 times.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e213/deaphen/DSC06835.jpg
lol the SSSS is quite funny, your an instant terrorist for about 15 mins while u are being searched! Here is me getting my security done, with both my parents watching on and while i was amused explaining all my camera equipment which seemed like i was doing some secret spying hahaha....

it happens to the best of us  Smile

nitin

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Zrs70
Posted 2007-06-16 17:09:23 and read 26520 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I went to a counter with a rather unkind female agent.

What exactly made her unkind? The fact that she couldn't check you in and directed you to the operating carrier?

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: FLIEGER67
Posted 2007-06-16 22:07:03 and read 26214 times.

Hi, PH,
great story, nothing else expected when I read Planehunter!.
I´ve had also some US flights before and after 9/11 but no real problem till now, hope that will be so in the future,
when I read your experiences.
Best regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: FlyKev
Posted 2007-06-16 23:43:12 and read 26119 times.

Great series of trip reports, I really enjoyed reading them.
I look forward to your future journeys.

Kev.

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-06-17 09:59:38 and read 25739 times.

Hello everybody and thanks for your feedback!

Quoting DALelite (Reply 1):
I was taken to hospital for x-raying my stomach. I was put in to custody for they thought that i was suspictious. A nd all that happened before 911. I think because i am black.

I'm sorry to hear that - has it become even worse after 9/11?

Quoting AY104 (Reply 4):
So discouraged I was by that, I have chosen a completely different carrier/routing.

Was it complicated to book on NWA.com? I think NW's website is much better than KL's because there are much more options when you want to manage bookings.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 6):
Hopefully we can meet up again sometime in the future.

Yes, would be great. Maybe in Europe this time?

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 7):
Here is me getting my security done, with both my parents watching on and while i was amused explaining all my camera equipment which seemed like i was doing some secret spying hahaha....

That picture is hilarious - especially the expression on your face! But how was it possible to take a picture there? I guess the TSA didn't notice?

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 8):
What exactly made her unkind?

The fact that she already seemed to be bad-tempered even before I asked for help and the fact that she didn't change her attitude until I left the counter. In contrast, the agent at the DL counter already smiled before I said anything.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 9):
great story, nothing else expected when I read Planehunter!.
I´ve had also some US flights before and after 9/11 but no real problem till now, hope that will be so in the future,
when I read your experiences.

Thanks, Markus. Hopefully you won't encounter any problems in the future, but we plane freaks are "easy targets" in the US...

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 10):
I look forward to your future journeys.

I'm planning to write some reports about a trip to the Canary Islands in July (including "island hopping") and probably about a day trip next week when I will depart from Hof (HOQ) - one of Germany's smallest "airports" used for commercial flights. The one and only destination served is Frankfurt (three times daily Monday-Friday and once daily Sa/Su), operating carrier is Augusburg Airways (DHC-8-300).


PH

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Rogerbcn
Posted 2007-06-17 18:32:15 and read 25519 times.

Hola PlaneHunter!

Excellent trip report, as usual interesting to read.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
"easy targets"

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Last time I flew to the US on what I thought would be a pleasure trip to try new planes: NW A332 / IB A343... I ended up being body searched, taking off all my clothes, accompanied to the toilet and asked not to flush it so they could see what was left there, questioned to death about who paid for my trip and so on and so forth.... all just because I was leaving the day after I arrived.

I guess those TSA in SEA had never heard about airliners.net, which I mentioned, or anything similar. I tried to tell them that there are people in the world which fly just for the pleasure of flying... I guess this was the time when I lost my innocence....  Wink Flying to the US for pleasure, never again!

Everytime I go back to the US, which I try to avoid as much as I can, this appears on the TSA PCscreen and my bags are searched and I am questioned again... so is not "easy targets"... we are targeted for life....

Salut!

Roger

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: OA260
Posted 2007-06-17 19:42:34 and read 25432 times.

Great TR and KLM 777's look very nice and comfortable.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
That picture is hilarious - especially the expression on your face! But how was it possible to take a picture there? I guess the TSA didn't notice?

Yes Im surprised your parents didnt get their camera taken!!! They were lucky.

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Vio
Posted 2007-06-17 20:38:36 and read 25375 times.

Excellent Trip Report. I love your writing style and the pictures were great! What a trip. I liked the fact that you kept your cool. Most people wouldn't cope with it as well. How did you find AMS? I was there in 2003 and I found it to be very nice. Big, but nice. I flew there from YYC with Air Transat and I had about 8 hours to wait until my next flight to Milano on Alitalia. I did some spotting and also walked around the city for a few hours.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Before I passed security I went back to the parking garages and tried to get some registrations. The roof offered nice views but several construction workers were around so it would have been a matter of time until someone called the cops.

Oh man... Then again, it is BOS. I bet everyone there has SOME sort of personal "need" to report anything "unusual". Do you have any advice for me as far as spotting is concerned? I'm flying to BOS in two weeks and I wouldn't mind doing some there and also take a few pictures. Where's a good place to spot?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
and interestingly, the ones who had to say bye, bye were the lady and her son who had pushed to the front only 15 minutes earlier...

That's what she gets for being rude. I'm glad that happened.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I noticed the Indian girl monitoring my notebook and the registration list so I decided to tell her a few sentences about my hobby. She was surprised to hear about that and asked some more questions. Definitely better than having yet another one calling the cops after landing...

Nice new world we live in....  Sad

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Unfortunately we have to do these random checks. Thank you for your patience and have a good flight."

Oh yeah... I know exactly what you mean, but again, it's the new world we live in, so we better get used to it.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
An ice cold Heineken was my drink of choice:

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Again, great report PlaneHunter. I really really enjoyed it.

Cheers,

Vio
(Calgary, Canada)

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: MSYYZ
Posted 2007-06-17 21:24:17 and read 25330 times.

SSSS-Thanks a lot PlaneHunter for the nice report .
The food on KLM looks dismal compared to its sister AF .

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: DALelite
Posted 2007-06-17 22:12:48 and read 25292 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
I'm sorry to hear that - has it become even worse after 9/11

Not for me no. They've been searching me and my luggage but otherwise i was lucky to enter the U.S. without
the usual hassle.

cheers: DALelite

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-06-18 17:40:24 and read 24965 times.

Thanks for all new comments!

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 12):
I ended up being body searched, taking off all my clothes, accompanied to the toilet and asked not to flush it so they could see what was left there, questioned to death about who paid for my trip and so on and so forth.... all just because I was leaving the day after I arrived.

Unbelievable. I booked such a trip in November 2005 but luckily the authorities didn't mind.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 12):
I guess those TSA in SEA had never heard about airliners.net, which I mentioned, or anything similar. I tried to tell them that there are people in the world which fly just for the pleasure of flying... I guess this was the time when I lost my innocence.... Wink Flying to the US for pleasure, never again!

Though I have been checked many times (including a personal interview by the Homeland Security due to the use of binoculars), I will go on. Probably my attitude would change after an experience like yours.

Quoting Vio (Reply 14):
How did you find AMS?

AMS is modern and convenient, also nice for spotting. One of my favourites.

Quoting Vio (Reply 14):
Do you have any advice for me as far as spotting is concerned?

Unfortunately I can't tell you much - the roof of the parking garage is ok for spotting, but the question is how many people could see you up there and report "suspicious behavior".

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 15):
The food on KLM looks dismal compared to its sister AF .

That's true for the dinner - the breakfast on AF tends to be very limited.


PH

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Boston92
Posted 2007-06-18 18:52:17 and read 24893 times.

Probably the best (maybe second best) Trip Report that I have ever read. I just wished they had continued, I could have read for hours. Thanks!

-Boston92

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics
Username: Sabena332
Posted 2007-06-18 23:34:10 and read 24729 times.

Hi PH!

Fantastic report again, reading was perfect evening entertainment, definitely way more interesting than the current TV program (Reinhold Beckmann interviews Peter Scholl-Latour on ARD at the moment  crazy  ).

Fortunately I never had the "pleasure" of getting a SSSS boarding pass in the USA, these TSA morons already annoyed the crap out of me during a carry-on luggage check at the gate at JFK, they got a couple of dumb remarks from me so I will not know what happens when they do such a mega-check with me.  Wink

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
An ice cold Heineken was my drink of choice

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Heineken is my second favourite onboard beer after Stella. The Beck's beer you're getting on Craphansa flights is tasting completely different than the Beck's you can buy here in Germany... and my opinion on that cat piss called Warsteiner is well known here on A.net. Strange that I prefer foreign beer over German brews at 33.000 feet.  Wink

Patrick

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-06-20 21:32:06 and read 24260 times.

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 18):
Probably the best (maybe second best) Trip Report that I have ever read. I just wished they had continued, I could have read for hours. Thanks!



Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 19):
Fantastic report again, reading was perfect evening entertainment, definitely way more interesting than the current TV program (Reinhold Beckmann interviews Peter Scholl-Latour on ARD at the moment crazy ).

Thanks a lot! Though, that interview wasn't bad...

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 19):
Fortunately I never had the "pleasure" of getting a SSSS boarding pass in the USA, these TSA morons already annoyed the crap out of me during a carry-on luggage check at the gate at JFK, they got a couple of dumb remarks from me so I will not know what happens when they do such a mega-check with me.

I guess the fastest way to get through that process is doing what they say and NOT questioning their actions...

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 19):
Strange that I prefer foreign beer over German brews at 33.000 feet.

They should serve some Bavarian brands or even better some local ones - remember the Hösl?  Wink


PH

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Sabena332
Posted 2007-06-20 22:15:41 and read 24230 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 20):
Though, that interview wasn't bad...

It was ok but there was a better one with Mr. Scholl-Latour some months ago (I think it was "Menschen bei Maischberger"), there he showed some of his old passports and that was pretty interesting. Ms. Maischberger asked how he managed it to get an Iranian and an Israeli visa on the same page and he answered: "There are a few advantages when you are a journalist". Big grin By the way, did you know that Scholl-Latour was born in Bochum?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 20):
I guess the fastest way to get through that process is doing what they say and NOT questioning their actions...

You are right but the two TSA guys who searched me were a bit strange. The lady who searched my carry-on trolley took my mobile phone called his colleague and said to him: "Whoa, whoa, look at this... cool, eh?", then her colleague dropped my jacket on the floor, took my mobile phone, looked at it, and said also something like: "Whoa, this is indeed pretty cool!". Then the lady took the bottle with my contact lense liquid and asked if it contains dangerous chemical ingredients... I asked her: "Would you clean your contacts with a dangerous chemical liquid?".  Yeah sure The she took a can of Budweiser from my trolley and said: "Don't drink it on the plane, you are warned!, me: "And what will you do when I drink it on the plane?". I could board the plane after asking her this question. Big grin

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 20):
remember the Hösl?

Believe it or not, I mentioned this beer last week in the band's practise room. One of us was drinking Erdinger and he said: "The best wheat-beer in the world", I told him that his Erdinger bottle would be a case for the trash can after drinking a bottle of Hösl. That was indeed one of the best wheat-beers I ever drunk... and I drunk a lot. Erdinger is not bad though but they can shove it to a place where the sun never shines since they want the outrageous rip-off price of 14.99 EUR for a case with 20 bottles in my local beverage market. At the moment I am drinking Jacobinus Hefe-Weizen and I can recommend it, very refreshing taste, very digestible and not too expensive with 12.49 EUR per case.

Patrick

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-06-22 19:53:18 and read 23839 times.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 21):
Then the lady took the bottle with my contact lense liquid and asked if it contains dangerous chemical ingredients... I asked her: "Would you clean your contacts with a dangerous chemical liquid?".



Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 21):
The she took a can of Budweiser from my trolley and said: "Don't drink it on the plane, you are warned!, me: "And what will you do when I drink it on the plane?".

I guess certain officers would have caused trouble for these answers...

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 21):
That was indeed one of the best wheat-beers I ever drunk... and I drunk a lot.

By end of July they will even present a "jubilee wheat beer", but it will only be available in barrels and three liter bottles...


PH

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Dimoko
Posted 2007-06-22 20:18:10 and read 23826 times.

i really like the shot of the nose of Mount Kilimanjaro.

great report!

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics
Username: Ndebele
Posted 2007-06-27 20:02:54 and read 23497 times.

Wow, you really got quite a variety of airlines and aircratft types on your recent trip to the US! Definitely interesting to read, and some nice pics.

Regards, Alex.

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: LTU932
Posted 2007-06-27 22:40:42 and read 23420 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The SSSS-Check

I dread the day of me getting selected for SSSS check. How did you manage to keep your cool with those rude TSA people treating you the way they did?

Nice TR! It's also a good insight on what could happen as a worst case scenario to someone when selected for an SSSS check.

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-06-28 18:50:36 and read 23277 times.

Thanks for all new replies!

Quoting Ndebele (Reply 24):
Wow, you really got quite a variety of airlines and aircratft types on your recent trip to the US!

Yes, I'm glad the plan worked without any cancellations or serious delays. And missing the D95 is a good reason for another NWA trip in the next two years or so.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 25):
I dread the day of me getting selected for SSSS check. How did you manage to keep your cool with those rude TSA people treating you the way they did?

The situation helps to keep self-control...

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 25):
Nice TR! It's also a good insight on what could happen as a worst case scenario to someone when selected for an SSSS check.

I'm really glad he didn't find my notebook full of registrations...  Smile


PH

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics
Username: ExFATboy
Posted 2007-06-29 04:16:35 and read 23074 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I feared the worst but then she passed and chose two other victims - and interestingly, the ones who had to say bye, bye were the lady and her son who had pushed to the front only 15 minutes earlier...

Karma's a bear, isn't it!  biggrin 

Great report! Really enjoyed the detail, and sorry to hear of your experience with the TSA. I've pulled the SSSS a couple of times, but usually it's resulted in nothing more than a quick wanding and taking everything out of my carry-on. But those were domestic trips. And "Explain yourself?" Your routing was unusual, but not that unusual. The shortness of your stay, that's unusual...I'm guessing it was a combination of that and that you're not a US citizen.

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-06-29 18:37:11 and read 22863 times.

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 27):
Karma's a bear, isn't it!

 thumbsup 

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 27):
I've pulled the SSSS a couple of times, but usually it's resulted in nothing more than a quick wanding and taking everything out of my carry-on.

Interesting to hear there's a "light version", too.

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 27):
Your routing was unusual, but not that unusual. The shortness of your stay, that's unusual...I'm guessing it was a combination of that and that you're not a US citizen.

I'm still wondering whether they knew about my routing?


PH

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Bakersdozen
Posted 2007-06-30 01:28:40 and read 22749 times.

Interesting trip report. Noticed on your profile you haven't flown Air Canada. The 77W is making runs from LHR to YYZ you should hop on that sometime - maybe toss a West Jet 737 in to that trip as well.

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: EMA747
Posted 2007-06-30 16:15:02 and read 22628 times.

A nice read there. Really enjoyed it.

KLM is on my really want to fly list.

Quoting DALelite (Reply 1):
but those who rate IFE important should only choose the A330 or the B777.

Whats wrong with the IFE on the 744? Is it outdated or something?

Andy S

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-07-01 10:00:25 and read 22483 times.

Thanks for all new replies!

Quoting Bakersdozen (Reply 29):
Noticed on your profile you haven't flown Air Canada. The 77W is making runs from LHR to YYZ you should hop on that sometime - maybe toss a West Jet 737 in to that trip as well.

Indeed, AC B77W and some domestic sectors are on my "to-do" list. Actually I had evaluated an AC trip in January as well, but decided to wait for better fares.

Quoting EMA747 (Reply 30):
Whats wrong with the IFE on the 744? Is it outdated or something?

KLM's B744 and MD-11 aren't equipped with PTVs and AVOD, just mainscreen and basic audio IFE.


PH

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Sabena332
Posted 2007-07-02 19:06:10 and read 22368 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 22):
By end of July they will even present a "jubilee wheat beer", but it will only be available in barrels and three liter bottles...

Hmmm... I should really consider a trip to HOQ, I would get a new airline, a new aircraft type, a new airport, and most important: a new beer! Big grin

Patrick

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Leskova
Posted 2007-07-02 22:03:51 and read 22331 times.

Great report - and I know about that SSSS-nonsense... I've had those four letters on my boarding cards so often, I stopped counting at some point. Really is annoying.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
When I had searched for flights on KLM's website in January, I was offered a list of numerous flight combinations to choose from - but KLM's B777 (which I wanted to get) was only available in combination with a rather late connection to JFK, departing at 19:00. All earlier BOS-JFK flights were combined with KLM's B744.

... yet another reason why I'm glad that I do not have to rely on airlines' websites to book my flights... Big grin

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
What's most interesting - the IFE box is not located under the window seat but under the aisle seat.

That would create a problem for me - my girlfriend would probably need the window-seat in that case... oh well... but since she'd pay a lot of money extra for a flight to avoid KLM, and even more to avoid Amsterdam, I guess I'm not at much of a risk of having to give up the window seats...  Wink

Thanks for the great report!

Frank

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: BA319-131
Posted 2007-07-08 20:35:50 and read 21937 times.

Hi PH,

Great report, just as expected!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Before I passed security I went back to the parking garages and tried to get some registrations. The roof offered nice views but several construction workers were around so it would have been a matter of time until someone called the cops

- That would be likely knowing your luck!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
and interestingly, the ones who had to say bye, bye were the lady and her son who had pushed to the front only 15 minutes earlier...

- Justice!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I noticed the Indian girl monitoring my notebook and the registration list so I decided to tell her a few sentences about my hobby. She was surprised to hear about that and asked some more questions. Definitely better than having yet another one calling the cops after landing...

- Given your track record, I think it was wise of you to explain your hobby.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
. Then he said: "Now you have the chance to explain yourself." I only thought WHAT

- I'm thinking the same, What!!??

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
. While the presentation looked a bit cheap (especially the green tray), the food was very t

- Yes, the whole lot looks pretty poor, that green tray is just discusting looking.

Thanks again, look forward to more reports.

Regards

Mark

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Mexicana757
Posted 2007-07-09 17:34:04 and read 21752 times.

Great trip report and pictures Planehunter. That meal on KLM looks like the same that was served on the KL flight that I took in late January ORD-AMS.

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Semsem
Posted 2007-07-10 19:05:32 and read 21588 times.

They seem to have upgraded meal service. I took same flight 4 years ago and we got a cold snack, cold cuts.

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Mdodd
Posted 2007-07-11 19:38:40 and read 21455 times.

nice report!

I flew to AMS via EWR (on KLM B777 as well)....no problems, the food was similar, and I agree with your ratings of it.

I then was supposed to fly back on KLM but they transferred me to NWA that morning, which I regretted somewhat, although it wasn't horrable.

AMS is a nice airport, as was mentioned before...nice city too  Wink

keep up the good work!!

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-07-13 11:29:29 and read 21208 times.

Thanks for all new replies!

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 34):
- That would be likely knowing your luck!



Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 34):
- Given your track record, I think it was wise of you to explain your hobby.

 checkmark  Meanwhile I've got used to it...

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 34):
Thanks again, look forward to more reports.

I've just returned from a vacation at Lanzarote and will write some reports in the next weeks as soon as I find some time (aircraft flown: LH CityLine CRJ900, Spanair A320, A321, MD-83, Islas ATR 72 & NAYSA ATR 72).

Quoting Semsem (Reply 36):
They seem to have upgraded meal service. I took same flight 4 years ago and we got a cold snack, cold cuts.

A cold snack for dinner on a transatlantic flight is really poor.

Quoting Mdodd (Reply 37):
I then was supposed to fly back on KLM but they transferred me to NWA that morning, which I regretted somewhat, although it wasn't horrable.

Which type did you get?


PH

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: BA319-131
Posted 2007-07-13 17:21:13 and read 21085 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 38):
I've just returned from a vacation at Lanzarote and will write some reports in the next weeks as soon as I find some time (aircraft flown: LH CityLine CRJ900, Spanair A320, A321, MD-83, Islas ATR 72 & NAYSA ATR 72).

- Excellent, look forward to the reports.

Regards

Mark

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Mir
Posted 2007-07-15 13:39:36 and read 20902 times.

Very nice report!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
We overflew another airport...

That's Westhampton Gabreski (FOK).

-Mir

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2007-07-24 21:33:09 and read 20511 times.

Quoting Mir (Reply 40):
That's Westhampton Gabreski (FOK).

Thanks a lot, David!


PH

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics
Username: RedAirForce
Posted 2007-08-13 05:05:20 and read 19744 times.

.... i wonder if there is a TSA.net website that has discussions of annoying, suspicious, irritating, arrogant, spoiled, self righteous, know it all, snotty travelers (sorry, 'spotters') who make their jobs so difficult...i really would love to hear their point of view for some of these SSSS situations where those who have been ‘selected’ were doing nothing suspicious at all...it's all point of view.

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: AirxLiban
Posted 2008-08-14 03:26:59 and read 17426 times.

As usual, a brilliant report and a fantastic read.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I feared the worst but then she passed and chose two other victims - and interestingly, the ones who had to say bye, bye were the lady and her son who had pushed to the front only 15 minutes earlier...

Sweet justice! Some divine intervention here perhaps succeeded in getting these rude and arrogant people off the plane.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
15 minutes later small bottles of water were served and the FA offered different items in a basket. I took a bag of peanuts and tasty cheese filled wafers.

The photo shows "party peanuts" as opposed to...non party peanuts, or peanuts that you would eat alone? And Captain Wafer's grilled cheese crackers with "real cheese" sounds yummy. Only in America do these sorts of terrible snacks exist, but I love them  Wink

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
This time the lady looked grim and only nodded.

The warm, kind, welcoming face of the TSA!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
"You have been selected for secondary screening! Wait over here!

Congratulations to PH!!!! Drum roll, please!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
While I was standing in that tiny "penalty box", in socks and without belt, I noticed the gate area was probably just 50 meters away and some pax bound for an Aer Lingus flight were watching the scene. Suddenly the furious looking guy yelled "Selecteeeee!!!" I wasn't sure what he meant but after a few moments another TSA guy showed up - apparently the "selectee checker". He started talking fast like reading from a paper and told me the "triggers" for being selected, mentioning the purchase of one-way tickets, unusual routings and a number of other reasons.

Oh dear. You had it even worse than me at TPA airport. Nice name for the tiny little area. I called it a cage, but I prefer "penalty box".

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
When I finally arrived at my row I found a young lady sitting at the window, partly stretching over the middle seat and eating a foul smelling Asian meal from an airport fast food restaurant. I said "Hello" and guessed she would realize I wanted to go to my seat. But she only looked at me and continued eating. Then I told her the window seat was mine but all I got was an irritated look and the reply: "I have a real mess here." Indeed, she had created a mess with her smelly food boxes - drops of the meal's sauce

Would be more respectful to either eat inside the terminal, or perhaps wait for the meal service. Anyway sounds like a pleasure of a seat-mate!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Very good decision, considering that passengers on an aisle seat can stretch out much easier and can stand up at any time.

I wonder why AZ didn't think of this.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
She was still sleeping - and it seemed I had to wake her up once again. During the flight I already had woken her up twice on leaving my seat and returning a few minutes later. This time I said "Excuse me?" twice, the second time a bit louder, but nothing happened. Then I loudly said: "Hello, we have arrived!" No reaction yet - and a Dutch couple in the last row already started laughing at my desperate attempts to revitalize that lady. Finally I had no choice and gave her a push which actually worked. She looked quite confused, gave me an irritated look, suddenly jumped up and ran down the aisle...

Similar experience on a recent flight with Aeroflotsky from Dubai to Moscow Sheremetyevo. It was a 2am departure out of DXB on an A320 where everyone was trying to sleep. I woke up just before the descent at approx 6:30am Moscow time, the girl next to me in seat 20A (i was in 20C) was still asleep.

One of the Russian Flight Attendants comes lumbering down the aisle - a big, wide, tall, strong looking woman with short red hair and not a smile on her face. She sees the girl in 20A sleeping and wants to wake her up for the descent.

FA: Izviniche pajaousta (excuse me please) and taps her on the arm
Girl: no response, still sleeping
FA: ....Izviniche pajaousta again and taps her on the arm
Girl: no response
FA: "IZVINICHE PAJAOUSTA!!!!" and starts beating the poor girl on the arm, hard!!!! until she woke up.

Luckily PH did not try that approach with this girl.

Thanks for the report!

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: N867DA
Posted 2008-08-14 06:18:40 and read 17240 times.



Quoting RedAirForce (Reply 42):

You can vent all you want on their blog!
http://www.tsa.gov/blog/


Great TR...and as always folks call ahead and reserve your seats!  Wink You should be able to do it 90 days before departure on KL/NW.

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Pumaknight
Posted 2008-08-14 09:00:16 and read 17033 times.

nice TR. I remember back in 2005, my family did a tour of California and flew alot of the legs to cut down on discomfort for my elderly Father in law. Well< The TSA were very interested in us at every airport!!. Got to try out the then new blowy screening machine - novelty factor was high so I didnt mind. And the TSA guys were very friendly.

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: AA767LOVER
Posted 2008-08-14 09:37:04 and read 16981 times.

too bad about the NWA/KLM agent in BOS. She sounded like the Soup Nazi on Seinfeld.

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: StarAlliance38
Posted 2008-08-14 10:05:49 and read 16934 times.

great TR! A very interesting read. Lol, now I'm worried flying non-rev to be tagged by the SSSS lol. Great pics and great job!

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2008-08-14 15:31:33 and read 16728 times.

And finally, an excellent part three. Reading about your whole trip took me the better part of an hour, but it was definatly worth it!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The roof offered nice views but several construction workers were around so it would have been a matter of time until someone called the cops. The Boston skyline

Sometimes, I wonder what world we live in, when nobody trusts nobody and we always have to feel uncomfortable, just because we have a hobby that might not be so common as Sports (another important hobby of mine)

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
and interestingly, the ones who had to say bye, bye were the lady and her son who had pushed to the front only 15 minutes earlie

Good riddance!

And that whole SSSS screening, what a circus. I have avoided traveling to the US for that reason among others since march 2006, but in october i have no choice but have to go back.

I might become a frequent traveler to the US again in a few years time, like i used to be, but not before all that terror paranoia has died down a bit.

Thanks again for your effort, it was a pleasure to read.

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Airbuseric
Posted 2008-08-15 01:43:56 and read 16513 times.

Hi PH,
nice report, some good pics! I enjoyed the reading of it.
PH-BQK is also in my log, on of their few T7's I flew on KL. For sure, that they offer quite good service for Y. Good to read your security check experience... now I know already a bit what I may expect during my visit to NYC next year  Wink

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: Conrad1402
Posted 2008-08-15 14:34:51 and read 16278 times.



Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I ordered Ginger Ale on ice

As I've read from your other TRs, an airline can be judged by it's Ginger Ale or the availibility of it. Like you, I always do the Ginger Ale test on an aircraft. I flew World Business Class with KL just last month, and drunk about 2 litres of the stuff. Strangely, I don't drink Ginger Ale too much at home! Must just be an aircraft thing...

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: JCS17
Posted 2008-08-16 07:47:08 and read 16085 times.

When I got SSSS-checked in PHX a couple of months ago, all they had to do was go through my laptop bag by hand and do an explosives test. When this was going on I was escorted to the full body x-ray machine (which had first been introduced at PHX), which took all of about five seconds to determine I wasn't carrying a weapon on my person. I'd say the entire process took about thirty seconds to a minute. My friend didn't want the full-body x-ray, so he got the full treatment which took about five minutes. I guess if you don't mind a borderline retarded TSA screener seeing an outline of your "junk," it's definitely the most convenient option.

Topic: RE: BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2008-08-17 12:00:23 and read 15887 times.

Thanks a lot for all your further comments! The report may not be the newest around, but the SSSS treatment is still a very current annoyance today.

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 43):
Sweet justice! Some divine intervention here perhaps succeeded in getting these rude and arrogant people off the plane.

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Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 43):
Only in America do these sorts of terrible snacks exist, but I love them

I also like that stuff - not healthy at all, but simply good.

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 43):
Congratulations to PH!!!! Drum roll, please!

 covereyes 

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 43):
Anyway sounds like a pleasure of a seat-mate!

Oh yes, I won't forget her...

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 43):
I wonder why AZ didn't think of this.

Numerous carriers haven't thought about that - quite strange actually.

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 43):
FA: Izviniche pajaousta (excuse me please) and taps her on the arm
Girl: no response, still sleeping
FA: ....Izviniche pajaousta again and taps her on the arm
Girl: no response
FA: "IZVINICHE PAJAOUSTA!!!!" and starts beating the poor girl on the arm, hard!!!! until she woke up.

Priceless!  thumbsup   thumbsup   thumbsup 

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 48):
Reading about your whole trip took me the better part of an hour, but it was definatly worth it!

Great to hear, Sandro!

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 48):
Sometimes, I wonder what world we live in, when nobody trusts nobody and we always have to feel uncomfortable, just because we have a hobby that might not be so common as Sports (another important hobby of mine)

So true. We should think about collective marketing efforts on a.net...  Wink

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 49):
Good to read your security check experience... now I know already a bit what I may expect during my visit to NYC next year

Hopefully you won't get the quadruple S, Eric.

Quoting Conrad1402 (Reply 50):
As I've read from your other TRs, an airline can be judged by it's Ginger Ale or the availibility of it. Like you, I always do the Ginger Ale test on an aircraft. I flew World Business Class with KL just last month, and drunk about 2 litres of the stuff. Strangely, I don't drink Ginger Ale too much at home! Must just be an aircraft thing...

2 Litres? Impressive!

Quoting Conrad1402 (Reply 50):
Strangely, I don't drink Ginger Ale too much at home! Must just be an aircraft thing...

Exactly my thoughts - I usually don't drink the stuff too often at home either.


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