Print from Airliners.net discussion forum
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/130722/

Topic: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: MHTripple7
Posted 2008-07-23 07:11:56 and read 32767 times.

This TR will contain the second leg of my journey to, around, and from Africa. This TR will include the following flight:

AF994 CDG-JNB (Boeing 777-300ER)

After spending the night in Paris following our flight from DTW, we arrived at Terminal 2E about two hours before the flight. Since we had printed our boarding passes online the day before, we went to the Affaires e-services bag drop desk.

The bag drop was not as efficient as I envisioned it. The agent was nice, and she mentioned some kind of trouble with the baggage system. It took us about fifteen minutes to check four bags. Since one of them was quite heavy, we were required to carry the bag to a blue cage in the middle of the terminal. I don’t know the reason behind this odd process, but if someone that knows CDG well could shed some light, that would be great.


Clearing passport control and security was also very slow. There was only one booth open for passport control. For security, it we got stuck behind some people who were surprised to find out they couldn’t take their juice box pass the security checkpoint. Therefore, they decided to take their time drinking their unfinished juice while we all waited behind them.

During this time, I reflected on my last CDG experience. This involved sprinting the whole way from 2E to 2C and getting stuck in lines similar to these in an attempt to catch an AF flight to JFK. I was just thankful we weren’t in any rush today!

This terminal is a masterpiece of design, no doubt about that.










The lounge is downstairs. They did a good job with the space they had, but it was a disappointment compared to how nice the rest of the terminal is.


We returned to the gate at 09:15 and boarding started shortly after.


AF GIDS



Date: July 15th 2008
Flight: AF994
Departure: CDG
Arrival: JNB
Scheduled Departure: 10:15
Actual Departure: 10:32
Aircraft: Boeing 777-300ER
Estimated Load Factor: 100% in F; 100% in J; and 97% in Y

We were welcomed aboard by some very friendly cabin crew members once again. I could really feel a difference between this 77W and the A332 I flew yesterday. The cabin feels much more open and wide on the 77W.








As the departure time neared, the lead flight attendant came over the P/A and introduced herself and thanked us for flying AF. Then, she told us that there would be a delay of fifteen minutes as we were waiting on several passengers. I’ve never left CDG on time and I would’ve been shocked if we left ontime so I wasn’t bothered at all.

About fifty more passengers joined us and it looked like they were holding AC issued boarding passes.

We were given pre-departure drinks as we pushed back, and the safety demo was played.




Takeoff was very powerful






They showed these satellite images of random cities in Europe. First it was Paris and then Brussels and I forget the rest.


This was actually kinda difficult. It asks questions like “How many cows can an AF 747 Cargo fit?”


This has to be one of the bigger J class cabins out there. There are two more rows behind the F cabin.






We continued to climb.


About an hour after takeoff, the meal service began with an appetizer. I forget what the choices were but I decided to skip the appetizer as I would not have eaten it and I didn’t want to waste any food. However, the flight attendant offered some bread instead.


For the main course, I got filet mignon. It was overcooked and very dry.


After eating, I decided to walk back to the Tempo cabin as I wanted to see what AF’s new 3-4-3 configuration was like. The seats themselves looked comfortable; however, the aisles and armrests seemed very narrow. I believe TAAG Angola and KLM have the exact same seats and configuration on their 777’s but I can’t think of any other carrier besides them.


Haze over the Sahara


Affaires seat in full recline. I believe that newer 77W’s have a different and better version of this seat.


There were several instances of turbulence during the flight, none of them being too bad. I did manage to catch the cabin crew announcing over the P/A for passengers to fasten their seatbelts.


I’m running out of things to take pictures of lol.




*

The overall service one this flight was mediocre. However, there was one flight attendent who was very good and feel the need to recognize him. His name was Steve IIRC, and was without a doubt one of the best cabin crew members I’ve seen. He was always smiled, checked up on the passengers throughout the flight, and he just put an extreme amount of care and effort into his job. If it wasn’t for him, I would be complaining about the cabin crew much more.

I’m not sure of the borders, but I think we were over Angola.




Sunset


About two hours before arrival, the second meal service began. I got the lamb which, again, was not of the best quality.




The captain announced our descent into JNB, which was fast. I noticed that the slats and flaps were deployed very early. I assume this has to do with JNB’s elevation.

On short final


Arrival announcement




It was a very long walk to immigration, and clearing it was easy enough. They had three booths open for our flight.

After collecting our luggage, we made our way to the Intercontinental Airport Sun Hotel to get some rest before our Air Botswana flight to MUB the next day.

Hope you enjoyed!

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: Econojetter
Posted 2008-07-23 08:28:02 and read 32767 times.

Experienced AF (in economy) recently and have a few comments:

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
This terminal is a masterpiece of design, no doubt about that.

Even the older 2F terminal is aesthetically pleasing. There is, however, a general lack of space and seating in 2F. Would have loved to see the S3 pier but AF decided that we would be bussed from F44. Sigh.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
Clearing passport control and security was also very slow. There was only one booth open for passport control. For

Ditto... 3 out of 6 booths unstaffed and it was during late morning rush hour. It's July, so I guess many staff are on summer vacation.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
They showed these satellite images of random cities in Europe. First it was Paris and then Brussels and I forget the rest.

Ah no camera views on the 77W? A pity... I loved that on the A330. Another recent flight that had it was a NH domestic flight.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
This was actually kinda difficult. It asks questions like “How many cows can an AF 747 Cargo fit?”

...and not necessarily up-to-date either. One question I got was the Airbus type with the shortest fuselage... and the choices did not include the A318.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
Angola and KLM have the exact same seats and configuration on their 777’s but I can’t think of any other carrier besides them.

I remember seeing photos of Airbus cabins flying with some mainland Chinese carriers featuring similar seat designs. I quite liked the AF A330 economy seats... the older A340 seats were pretty OK too, just lacking lumbar support. Overall, I think the AF cabin interior looks great, neither garish nor bland; and the headrest fabric and the pillow are pretty comfy, while the blanket actually keeps you warm (and generally stays static-free).

The cabin crew come across competent and cordially professional. I liked the aperitif service... with a French flair... champagne with fennel-seed crackers. Refreshing. Based on my limited experience (fortunately no hiccups) ...thumbs up.

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: CO7e7
Posted 2008-07-23 09:41:35 and read 32767 times.

I read both your reports.. their very good....

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
“How many cows can an AF 747 Cargo fit?”

What's the answer???

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: Norcal773
Posted 2008-07-23 11:05:22 and read 32767 times.

Very nice TR. I like the wing-flex on the 77W, it amazes me every time I see it.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
It was a very long walk to immigration,

Yeah, very long ifI remember correctly.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
This has to be one of the bigger J class cabins out there.

SQ's is even bigger for sure.

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: BA319-131
Posted 2008-07-23 11:55:32 and read 32767 times.

Nice report and pictures, good follow up to the previous TR, thanks.

Have to say I'm not rushing out to buy a ticket on AF!

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
we got stuck behind some people who were surprised to find out they couldn’t take their juice box pass the security checkpoint. Therefore, they decided to take their time drinking their unfinished juice while we all waited behind them.

- Don't you just love these infrequent travellers, NOT!!??

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
I’ve never left CDG on time

- Funny that, nor have I  Smile

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
For the main course, I got filet mignon. It was overcooked and very dry.

- I don't like it that you have the cheese on your plate already!

Regards

Mark

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: Henkybaby
Posted 2008-07-23 12:42:25 and read 32767 times.



Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
I’m running out of things to take pictures of lol.

I always have that feeling. How many cabin pictures can you take?  Smile

But I still like seeing them in other trip reports. Very nice report. I always find AF Business Class to be exactly that: business like. Not an experience in its own right.

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: AA737-823
Posted 2008-07-23 14:02:19 and read 32767 times.

Wow, that filet mignon actually looks rather disgusting.
I mean, I'm no snob at all, but had I paid for business class, I might have sent it back and asked for something less. cauterized.
In general, your meal service seems barely a step above coach- the portion of meat is very small (is that a French thing?) and not very luxurious.

But the IFE and seat look nice.

Sadly, as I'm typically relegated to coach travel, I doubt I will EVER put myself on any carrier's 3-4-3 in a 777. The 747 is crowded enough (remember when 747s were 3-4-2??), I can't imagine doing it in a triple. LOOK how NARROW those seats are! Those poor people!

I'd take KLM's 747 on a Europe-JNB flight, after reading this trip report.

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: Abrelosojos
Posted 2008-07-23 14:32:36 and read 32767 times.

Thanks for a great TR. Hey, be "grateful" that you got food on-board AF J en-route to JNB from CDG. I did this last year and there was NO food during the second meal service and nasty place-setters and incompetent crew ... this was my report ... http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ums/trip_reports/read.main/113368/

Cheers and thanks for sharing,
A.

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: Piskoto
Posted 2008-07-23 19:01:32 and read 32767 times.

Hello! Just to tell that both of your reports had been great and I enjoyed reading them too. Thank you!

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
but I can’t think of any other carrier besides them.

Emirates?

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: BNEFlyer
Posted 2008-07-24 02:54:40 and read 32767 times.

Hi

Was looking forward to reading your report but none of the pictures are working  Sad.

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: MHTripple7
Posted 2008-07-24 08:20:08 and read 32767 times.

Thanks for the comments everyone!

Quoting BNEFlyer (Reply 9):
Was looking forward to reading your report but none of the pictures are working .

They should be working now  Big grin

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 7):
Thanks for a great TR. Hey, be "grateful" that you got food on-board AF J en-route to JNB from CDG. I did this last year and there was NO food during the second meal service and nasty place-setters and incompetent crew ... this was my report ... http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...3368/

Yes I remember reading that report and was prepared for the worst as I believe this was the exact same flight you took.

Quoting Piskoto (Reply 8):
Emirates?

Emirates does have the 3-4-3 configuration, however, they have different seats. DT and KL have the exact same seats and configuration.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
In general, your meal service seems barely a step above coach- the portion of meat is very small (is that a French thing?) and not very luxurious.

Yeah I agree. I honestly think they just took a Y class meal and put it in nice plates and glasses.

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: Afboy
Posted 2008-07-25 03:52:20 and read 32767 times.



Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
The overall service one this flight was mediocre

Hey!

Can you tell us more about the attitude of the crew. What did they do, or what they didn't do to be mediocre?

Thanks!

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: AlexEU
Posted 2008-07-25 06:28:53 and read 32767 times.

Nice t/r !

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
AF GIDS

This seems like a very interesting pre-boarding screen, since it shows languages spoken, captain name and destination weather. I can't think of any other airport which offers this?

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: 28thguy
Posted 2008-07-26 20:31:41 and read 32767 times.

Those aisles in Y look very narrow. The seats actually look fine themelves.

Maybe it's just the camera angle, but it seems like it would be a difficult aircraft to evacuate in an emergency. Also I can't imagine flying that aircraft on routes to/from North America, given the percentage of overweight passengers that would need to navigate that narrow aisle.

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: Flpuck6
Posted 2008-07-27 07:22:29 and read 32767 times.

Austrian also has 3-4-3 on their 772's !

The configuration in Y on the AF 77Ws are apparently disastrous. But how does AF balance the quest for maximum profitability vs. client satisfaction ? hehehehe

Quoting Piskoto (Reply 8):
Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
but I can’t think of any other carrier besides them.

Emirates?

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: Thorben
Posted 2008-07-27 11:01:12 and read 32767 times.

Thanks for this great trip report. It is certainly interesting to fly over the whole of Africa in daylight with a window seat.

Sad to learn about the food, it was always my dream to fly AF in espace première on a long-haul and have some really good food on it. It seems I should rather look for a different carrier.

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: MHTripple7
Posted 2008-07-28 07:57:46 and read 32767 times.



Quoting Afboy (Reply 11):
Can you tell us more about the attitude of the crew. What did they do, or what they didn't do to be mediocre?

Absolutely. Besides the one I mentioned, the rest of the crew never smiled, avoided eye contact, and there were no drink runs besides the drinks received during meal services. Passengers are required to walk to the galley and pour the drinks themselves.

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 12):
Nice t/r !

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
AF GIDS

This seems like a very interesting pre-boarding screen, since it shows languages spoken, captain name and destination weather. I can't think of any other airport which offers this?

Thanks. And yes they are very cool. I guess they take the place of the classic AF boards that are written on with marker at AF's international destinations.

Quoting Flpuck6 (Reply 14):
The configuration in Y on the AF 77Ws are apparently disastrous. But how does AF balance the quest for maximum profitability vs. client satisfaction ? hehehehe

The Y configuration offers no client satisfaction whatsoever, so apparently they care much more about maximum profitability lol. Of course, this could cost them if people begin to fly other carriers that have a more generous configuration.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 15):
Thanks for this great trip report. It is certainly interesting to fly over the whole of Africa in daylight with a window seat.

Sad to learn about the food, it was always my dream to fly AF in espace première on a long-haul and have some really good food on it. It seems I should rather look for a different carrier.

Yes, AF definitely falls behind when it comes to food, unfortunately.

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: SXDFC
Posted 2009-01-12 20:01:53 and read 32767 times.

Hey MH Triple 7

I have noticed many of your reports, and you certianly do a wonderful job!

I however would like to ask you what your occupation is as you have gone to more parts of the world then myself!

Nevertheless your TRs are great and keep up the good work, if you want to take more pictures of something in the cabin, try one of the seat reclined into a bed with the sheets,pillow,etc I always loved comparing those shots with others in ads or in other TR's that I have seen to compare which ones look the most comfortable! You can decide that one for us though  Wink.

Topic: RE: Air France 777-300ER CDG-JNB In J W/Pix
Username: Davescj
Posted 2009-01-13 07:45:33 and read 32767 times.

Great TR! I find the AF crew to be attentive when I've flown them. I'm sorry you didn't have the same experience.

The beef -- always skip. I don't know why, but it is always bad. It is almost always my last choice.

Dave


The messages in this discussion express the views of the author of the message, not necessarily the views of Airliners.net or any entity associated with Airliners.net.

Copyright © Lundgren Aerospace. All rights reserved.
http://www.airliners.net/