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Topic: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: MHTripple7
Posted 2008-08-01 17:48:38 and read 32767 times.

This SA Linhas Aereas">TR will include my return journey from Africa to Tampa. The following flight segments wil be included in this SA Linhas Aereas">TR:

Singita Airstrip – JNB (Federal Air)
JNBATL (Delta Airlines)
ATLTPA (Delta Airlines)

We arrived at Singita airstrip for our shared charter flight to JNB at about 1:15PM. We saw our Beechcraft 1900D sitting in the small parking area.



Airline: Federal Air (Charter)
Flight: FDR????
Aircraft: Beechcraft 1900D
Dep Airport: Singita Airstrip
Arrival Airport: JNB

The pilot asked us our names and then crossed them off from the manifest.










Takeoff was very powerful




Almost immediately after takeoff, we began a rapid descent and landed at another airstrip to let 2 more passengers on. The flight onward to JNB was smooth. Does anyone know where this smoke is coming from?






We taxied to the Federal Air hangers, which are located in between the two runways at JNB. They have a nice outdoor lounge where you can wait for your flight.


We were met by a representative from our tour company, who drove us to the main terminal. At JNB, you are required to go up and elevator in order to get to the check-in area. This isn’t the most efficient process, especially since you have all of your luggage with you.

Check-in was very slow. First, a security agent intensely checks all of your e-tickets and passports, and asks several security questions. Then she puts a stamp on everyones’ passports. At the actual check-in desk, we handed the agent our passports, who then spent a good fifteen minutes typing on her computer. She then handed us tags for our carry-on luggage, which we were required to put on our carry-on bags. After this, she finally handed us our boarding passes and we were set.

I was surprised that we were handed a separate DKR-ATL boarding pass as well; even though we weren’t deplaning in DKR.

I heard from someone that SA)">DL used to require passengers with e-tickets to get paper tickets issued if they were departing from JNB.


As I turned around, I couldn’t help but noticed that the TAAG Angola ticket office was open. I figured this would be the perfect opportunity to get a timetable for this mysterious airline.

As I approached the counter, the TAAG representative seemed to be having a nice conversation with a friend of hers over the phone. She was also enjoying herself while reading a fashion magazine. She eventually decided to acknowledge my presence and asked if she could help me.

I asked if they had a timetable to which she replied: “We don’t have them here. Go to the TAAG office upstairs and you can get one there”

After getting lost twice and wondering through narrow hallways, we finally found the other TAAG office. When we asked the lady in there if we could have a timetable, she replied by saying that the downstairs office has them.

When we explained that the downstairs office had sent us here, she phoned the downstairs office and scolded them for sending us up here and told them to give us a timetable.

So we went back downstairs and I was handed a piece of computer paper with the JNB-LAD schedule only. When I asked for a system-wide timetable, they said that the don’t have that.

I really didn’t think that getting a timetable would be this difficult. I guess this is my mini TAAG experience lol.


Passport control was surprisingly fast and we then made our way to the AF lounge.


I decided that I would walk around the airport and do some spotting. Plus, I wanted to see the TAAG 747.




The DT 747 leaving late for LAD.


An SA A319


SA A340-600


Our SA)">DL 767-400 arrived late from DKR.


Boarding was scheduled for 17:45. At that time, the cabin crew had yet to board so I figured the flight was going to leave late.

At about 18:10, we began boarding.


Airline: Delta Airlines
Flight: DL35
Aircraft: Boeing 767-400ER
Departure Airport: JNB
Arrival Airport: ATL via DKR
SDT: 18:45
ADT: 18:53
Estimated Load Factor: 98%

**I switched seats with my family several times during flight, hence the different viewpoints**



Boarding Process
After the gate agent scans your boarding pass, you are required to walk down a ramp in order to get to the jetway. On the ramp, there are two security agents who check your passports and ask more security questions. At the bottom of the ramp, there is a room where another security check takes place. The agents open your carry-on bags and search through them.

As I entered the aircraft, I was greeted with a “Hey”.

My initial impression was that it was much less impressive than the AF 77W I recently flew on. A 2-2-2 layout is also tight. I don’t understand why SA)">DL just didn’t install flat seats when they refitted their 764’s.












We were offered pre-departure drinks. These were in plastic glasses, which I found interesting.


We began pushback seven minutes late. Because there are no overhead screens in the business cabin, the audio of the safety video is played while the cabin crew point out the exits. My attempts to view the safety video were put to an end after the flight attendant closed my PTV.

The captain welcomed us on board during the taxi.

The takeoff roll seemed very long, however, the climb was steep.




About an hour after departure, the cabin crew began the meal service. The cabin lights were not turned on for this for some reason.

I was impressed so far with the food.








I then slept for about four hours. I woke up and waited for the next meal service. It never came. I later learned that you were required to go the galley and ask a flight attendant for a sandwich if you wanted to eat. Not very business class-like if you ask me.

Descent into DKR was fast and the landing was very hard at the very beginning of the runway. I noticed a flight attendant got up and closed an overhead bin when we slowed down. I guess it popped open because of the hard landing.

We were then instructed to stay in our seats and not block the aisles during our wait in DKR if we were continuing on to ATL. Several passengers were transferring to the SA)">DL JFK flight.

I’m sorry, but why would someone connect to another SA)">DL flight in DKR when you can just flight on South African direct from JNB to JFK. SA has a better product so unless they’re more expensive, I don’t know why anyone would want to go through the hassle of transiting through DKR when they don’t have to.





A group of security agents came on board the aircraft. We were required to stand up and identify our carry on luggage. Then, they ripped off the seat cushions to check for anything being smuggled I guess.


A cleaning crew also came on board, but they didn’t do much. We weren’t given new blankets, pillows, or amenity kits.


The new captain welcomed us on board and said that we were waiting on 20 passengers to connect from the SA)">DL flight from CPT.

I dozed off for about fifteen minutes because I was so tired.

We eventually pushed back and began our taxi to the runway. The flight attendants laughed their way through the safety demo after they did the “Smoking in NOT allowed” finger wag.

I noticed that a truck followed our aircraft to the runway and shined a spot light on the main gear. I assume this is to watch for stow aways.

Takeoff was powerful, and the runway was very bumpy.

The first meal service consisted of a cold sandwich. It was not very good at all.






I slept for about three hours before waking up to see the sunrise.






About 2 hours before arrival, a breakfast service began. The options consisted of an omelet, cereal, and something else I can’t remember.








The pilot announced our descent about 30 minutes before arrival.

Landing video. Includes the arrival announcement + flight attendant telling passengers to sit down.










Passport control was fast and our bags came our very quickly too. Since we had four hours in ATL before our flight to TPA, we thought we would ask if we could get an earlier flight. Unfortunately, they were all overbooked.

Conclusions about DL35
I must say that I was expecting more from SA)">DL. I keep hearing about how much SA)">DL is changing for better, etc. However, I was slightly disappointed. The cabin crew were friendly, but seemed to enjoy talking among themselves in the galley more than doing their job. Having only 1 hot meal on an eight hour flight is inexcusable IMHO. I got more food in economy on Jet Airways from DEL-BRU and BRU-JFK and I did on either SA)">DL leg in business. If I ever find myself travelling to South Africa again, I will be very open to trying South African’s IAD-JNB flight.

My family was exhausted, so we decided to go the crown room club in concourse A.


I got bored, so I decided to walk back to concourse E and see the KE 747. At this hour, councourse E was deserted. As I began to walk back to concourse A, I saw a lady with a stroller sprinting towards a gate. I decided to follow her and see if she made the flight.

When I caught up, she was just about to miss the SA)">DL flight to ICN. She got lucky though and they let her on 3 minutes before departure. The gate agent was not happy about this for some reason told her fellow gate agents “This is ridiculous! I can’t believe passengers are showing up 3 minutes before departure. Why the hell weren’t they here on time”

Shortly after this lady boarded, two more people showed up to be told that the flight was closed. Naturally they were very upset; however, they lucked out in my opinion because they probably got to go on the later KE flight. I’m sure the KE experience is probably much better than SA)">DL.

Then I went and sat at the gate until boarding was called at 12:15 exactly.

SA)">DL boarding announcement video. Includes the gate agent making the announcement herself and the pre-recorded announcement in English and Spanish. Sorry about the poor quality as the pre-recorded announcements weren’t very loud.



Airline: Delta Airlines
Flight: DL809
Departure Airport: ATL
Arrival Airport: TPA
SDT: 12:45
ADT: 12:45
Aircraft: Boeing 757-200
Estimated Load Factor: 98%

As I boarded, I was disappointed to not see the new AVOD on this aircraft. This 757 was old and the interior was just plain crappy.



We were offered pre-departure drinks and they were in real glasses this time.




Pushback was on time




















Hope you enjoyed!

Upcoming SA Linhas Aereas">TR:

South African (LVI-CPT-JNB)

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: CO7e7
Posted 2008-08-01 18:22:27 and read 32767 times.

Interesting report.. thanks for sharing..

DL's J product from JNB sounds like a complete joke.. from what i understand..
While the seats do look somewhat comfy.. the food looks disgusting!!

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: TDubJFK
Posted 2008-08-01 18:43:10 and read 32767 times.

Thanks for such an amazing report! Really nice to read about routes not often seen here on A.Net!

My few observations:

-That AF JNB lounge looks like a cafeteria that was furnished by IKEA ... how cheeeeap!
-The meal service on DL J looks really pathetic
-The voice on that F/A doing the arrival announcement in ATL is SO annoying and syrupy!!

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: PHLstudent
Posted 2008-08-01 21:03:11 and read 32767 times.

i've been hearing so much about this route, and finally its nice to see a trip report about it. Very good, and great pictures.

Your boarding passes say no FF credit, is this due to it being an award ticket or staff ticket? Either way, do you think the its worth paying for this or taking an alternate route?

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: Knightsofmalta
Posted 2008-08-01 22:45:17 and read 32767 times.

Hi MHTripple7

Thanks for the interesting report. I'll be staying at the Singita in September. What were your impressions of the place, did you like it?

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: Evan767
Posted 2008-08-01 22:51:52 and read 32767 times.

Wow, JNB sure has changed since I was there in 2006. Consider yourself lucky you weren't on a 763.

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 1):
the food looks disgusting!!

How so?

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: RwSEA
Posted 2008-08-01 23:01:49 and read 32767 times.

Nice report - I'd been waiting for a report on this route!

After flying other carriers in business class (including BA and AF), I'd stick to a different carrier on this route. Those seats aren't much better than what BA offers in premium economy. I don't care how good the service is - on a route this long you want a lie-flat seat with more room!

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: Drumline072008
Posted 2008-08-02 00:26:43 and read 32767 times.

Interesting and enjoyable report. Thanks for sharing.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: Semsem
Posted 2008-08-02 00:50:35 and read 32767 times.

I think most airlines don't issue timetables anymore. I used to enjoy looking at them. That guy does not look too happy that you are taking a photo. Thank you for the interesting report.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: MHTripple7
Posted 2008-08-02 05:34:44 and read 32767 times.

Thanks for all of the feedback everyone!

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 1):
SA)">DL's J product from JNB sounds like a complete joke.. from what i understand..
While the seats do look somewhat comfy.. the food looks disgusting!!

The food actually wasn't that bad in terms of quaility, except for the sandwich. I was disappointed in the food because we only got 1 hot meal service on an eight hour flight in Business Class.

Quoting PHLstudent (Reply 3):
i've been hearing so much about this route, and finally its nice to see a trip report about it. Very good, and great pictures.

Your boarding passes say no SA)">FF credit, is this due to it being an award ticket or staff ticket? Either way, do you think the its worth paying for this or taking an alternate route?

Thanks, I was on an award ticket. If we were paying for these flights, I would probably rather go TPA-IAD-JNB on a SA)">UA/SA combination. IMHO, the flat seats that SA would me much more comfortable than SA)">DL's 'recliners'.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 4):
Thanks for the interesting report. I'll be staying at the Singita in September. What were your impressions of the place, did you like it?

It was amazing! You will love it. What lodge will you be staying at?

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 6):
After flying other carriers in business class (including BA and AF), I'd stick to a different carrier on this route. Those seats aren't much better than what BA offers in premium economy. I don't care how good the service is - on a route this long you want a lie-flat seat with more room!

100% Agreed

Quoting Semsem (Reply 8):
I think most airlines don't issue timetables anymore. I used to enjoy looking at them. That guy does not look too happy that you are taking a photo. Thank you for the interesting report.

The reason airlines don't issue timetables anymore is because people can view their schedules online. I figured that out of all the airlines out there, TAAG would be the one still issuing timetables since they barely have a website. Plus, the schedule posted on their website is completely wrong. Yeah he doesn't look too pleased but you get looks like that from everyone when you're taking photos of random things on airplanes hehe.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: AA737-823
Posted 2008-08-02 07:18:20 and read 32767 times.

The food actually looks fairly decent to me. The sandwich looks fine as well- perhaps your young taste buds weren't prep'd for the complex taste of pesto compote on a panini?

Anyhow, on with the info that I am actually going to contribute to this thread:

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
I’m sorry, but why would someone connect to another SA)">DL flight in DKR when you can just flight on South African direct from JNB to JFK. SA has a better product so unless they’re more expensive, I don’t know why anyone would want to go through the hassle of transiting through DKR when they don’t have to.

Because you CAN'T just fly South African.
They stop in Dakar, too; I had friends that took the flights just last month, on both Delta and South African, and all of them stopped in Dakar.

And, once you get to IAD or JFK on SA, you're left with NO connection options, without transferring airline. On Delta, you're just one same-carrier connection away from nearly anywhere in the US.

Also, if you're SkyTeam, SA is not going to be the carrier of choice.

You clearly didn't care for DL's service here. I'm not a Delta fan (actually Continental Elite), but in the future perhaps you'd be happier spending your (parent's) money elsewhere.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: MHTripple7
Posted 2008-08-02 09:10:52 and read 32767 times.



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):

The food actually looks fairly decent to me. The sandwich looks fine as well- perhaps your young taste buds weren't prep'd for the complex taste of pesto compote on a panini?

I'm sorry my taste buds aren't defined enough to appreciate the wonders of the cold sandwich.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
Because you CAN'T just fly South African.
They stop in Dakar, too; I had friends that took the flights just last month, on both Delta and South African, and all of them stopped in Dakar.

Apparently you misunderstood what I was saying. I never said SA doesn't stop in DKR. I said there was direct flight from JNB-JFK. While the SA flight isn't nonstop, there is no aircraft change in DKR. On South African, you can fly JNB-DKR-JFK on the same aircraft without having to get off the aircraft, change planes, and risk missing a connection. If you want to fly DL from JNB-JFK, you are required to change planes in DRK to DL129 which flies CPT-DKR-JFK. My point was, why change aircrafts when you don't have to.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
And, once you get to IAD or JFK on SA, you're left with NO connection options, without transferring airline. On Delta, you're just one same-carrier connection away from nearly anywhere in the US.

There are plenty of UA flights out of IAD that SA codeshares on. I realize you change carrier, but theres almost no difference for the passenger if its a codeshare. You're right about JFK, however, DL's domestic market isn't exactly gigantic out of JFK.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 10):
You clearly didn't care for DL's service here. I'm not a Delta fan (actually Continental Elite), but in the future perhaps you'd be happier spending your (parent's) money elsewhere.

I never said DL was bad. I was just slightly disappointed. I guess I was spoiled by Jet Airways who gave me two hot meals in economy on an eight hour flight.

Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed my TR!

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: Evan767
Posted 2008-08-02 09:48:13 and read 32767 times.



Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 9):
The food actually wasn't that bad in terms of quaility, except for the sandwich. I was disappointed in the food because we only got 1 hot meal service on an eight hour flight in Business Class.

Actually, had you chosen the omelete, that would've been two hot meal services. Usually they have stuff setup in the galley aswell.

It seems that if you're flying from the U.S. to South Africa in Business, choose South African, if you're traveling in coach, choose Delta. Delta has a good coach product on this route with leather slimline seats, a wide array of programs on PTV's, free alcohol, and amenity kits. Until Delta gets the lie-flats on the 764's next year (which is pretty soon), stick with SAA.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: MHTripple7
Posted 2008-08-02 10:11:45 and read 32767 times.



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 12):
Actually, had you chosen the omelete, that would've been two hot meal services. Usually they have stuff setup in the galley aswell.

That sandwich was actually cold. I was including the omelet as a hot meal.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 12):
It seems that if you're flying from the U.S. to South Africa in Business, choose South African, if you're traveling in coach, choose Delta. Delta has a good coach product on this route with leather slimline seats, a wide array of programs on PTV's, free alcohol, and amenity kits. Until Delta gets the lie-flats on the 764's next year (which is pretty soon), stick with SAA.

That statement is very true. Once SA)">DL gets the flat seats, they are going to give SA a huge run for their money. However, SA is currently miles ahead of them in the business class product.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: Falstaff
Posted 2008-08-02 17:17:40 and read 32767 times.



Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
We were offered pre-departure drinks. These were in plastic glasses, which I found interesting.

On NW flights in domestic F I have always received my preflight drink in a plastic cup, but once in the air I get a glass. I assume it is some sort of FAA rule, but I really don't know.

Nice trip report!

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: Umfolozi
Posted 2008-08-02 22:57:13 and read 32767 times.

I enjoyed your TR, thanks for posting! I was really looking forward to the first DL JNB - ATL report! Thanks again.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: CO7e7
Posted 2008-08-03 06:19:29 and read 32767 times.



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 5):
How so?

It simply does not look appetizing... for BusinessFirst... compare the food pix with ones from other reports and you'll see what i mean...

It might taste good, but it does not look good presentation wise...

CO7e7

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: MCOflyer
Posted 2008-08-03 17:15:33 and read 32767 times.

Very good trip report. The pictures were interesting and I liked how you described everything in full detail.

Hunter

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: TwoLz2Rn
Posted 2008-08-03 17:28:14 and read 32767 times.

great pictures!

This flight is on my top ten list...although i would be flying in Y

Did you happen to get pics of activity in DKR?

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2008-08-03 18:59:38 and read 32767 times.



Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
We eventually pushed back and began our taxi to the runway. The flight attendants laughed their way through the safety demo after they did the “Smoking in NOT allowed” finger wag.

was it a manuel demo, were there no communial monitors?

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: MHTripple7
Posted 2008-08-03 19:22:36 and read 32767 times.

Thanks guys!

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 19):
was it a manuel demo, were there no communial monitors?

No there weren't monitors for the whole cabin to see. Only the PTV's that pop out of the armrest. The audio of the actual safety video was played over the P/A, and the FA's pointed out the exits and showed us how to use the oxygen masks and life jackets manually.

Quoting TwoLz2Rn (Reply 18):
great pictures!

This flight is on my top ten list...although i would be flying in Y

Did you happen to get pics of activity in DKR?

If we weren't on an award ticket, I would've been in Y also. My parents usually fly in J, while my brother and I travel in Y. People think I'm crazy for saying this, but I actually prefer travelling in Y as I love the view from behind the wing and I sleep just as well. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get any pix of the ground scene in DKR. However, I can tell you what I saw. I'm not positive but I think were 2 V7 73G's, 2 AT 738's, an ET 767, a SA A346, a DL 763, and an SS A332. It seemed quite busy at this time of night.

[Edited 2008-08-03 19:26:29]

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: AirxLiban
Posted 2008-08-04 07:01:02 and read 32767 times.

Great report! I was also excited to see a report about DL's service on this new route, but disappointed to hear about how miserable the experience was.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 5):
Consider yourself lucky you weren't on a 763.

I thought they have the exact same J class and entertainment as the 764s. Are they on an older IFE system?

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 11):
I'm sorry my taste buds aren't defined enough to appreciate the wonders of the cold sandwich.

It looks pretty miserable to me too mate. The bread doesn't look super appetising and there doesn't seem to be any butter or mayo or tomatoes or whatever holding together the sandwich. I can TOTALLY believe you if you say it wasn't good.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: Evan767
Posted 2008-08-04 08:30:14 and read 32767 times.



Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 21):
I thought they have the exact same J class and entertainment as the 764s. Are they on an older IFE system?

I'm pretty sure they might have converted them all, but at the start of this route Delta was flying 763's with the old entertainment loop system, out of date seat covers, etc. 764's were converterd right to the refurbished product. Even while both refurbished, you will see asthetic differences between the 763 and 764, especially in the overhead bins.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: MHTripple7
Posted 2008-08-05 14:25:52 and read 32767 times.



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 22):
Even while both refurbished, you will see asthetic differences between the 763 and 764, especially in the overhead bins.

That's so true...the 764 is like flying on a 777.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: EXAAUADL
Posted 2008-08-05 15:02:22 and read 32767 times.



Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
Having only 1 hot meal on an eight hour flight is inexcusable IMHO. I got more food in economy on Jet Airways from DEL-BRU and BRU-JFK and I did on either SA)">DL leg in business. If I ever find myself travelling to South Africa again, I will be very open to trying South African’s IAD-JNB flight.

HAving flown SA, I can tell you, you wouldnt get a second meal on that sector either

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: BAStew
Posted 2008-08-05 15:50:45 and read 32767 times.

Same as Club World on BA.

A flight of 8 hours you would only get one hot meal and then a cold one before landing.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: MHTripple7
Posted 2008-08-07 07:34:19 and read 32767 times.



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 24):
HAving flown SA, I can tell you, you wouldnt get a second meal on that sector either



Quoting BAStew (Reply 25):
A flight of 8 hours you would only get one hot meal and then a cold one before landing.

Evidently, Jet Airways has corrupted my view on what to expect from in-flight service. I simply figured that I would get similar service on this DL flight as the 9W flight (DEL-BRU-JFK) since they are both similar in length.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: BA319-131
Posted 2008-08-08 13:58:07 and read 32767 times.

Nice report and pictures, thanks, interesting report and route.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
Aircraft: Boeing 767-400ER
Departure Airport: JNB

- Never knw these things flew that far.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
As I entered the aircraft, I was greeted with a “Hey”.

- Not a good start, too casual!

Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
We were offered pre-departure drinks and they were in real glasses this time

- Why on a domestic and not on international J?

The seats look nice on the 764 but look on a par with Premium Economy type seats, they don't look upto intl J standard IMHO.

Food looks less than impressive despite the trip length.

All in all this looks pretty poor compared to some of the recent DL TR's.

Regards

Mark

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2008-08-08 20:45:00 and read 32767 times.

Very interesting ! I just come back from a DL 764 trip (my first on a 764) to GIG and have to say i liked that plane.

BE service is good, and even not being so comfort. I recommend you next trip to take a seat on the middle as you have more comfort.

Thanks for sharing your report, is good to know how they perform on their African routes.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: TJCAB
Posted 2009-01-06 02:24:19 and read 32767 times.



Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 2):
-That AF JNB lounge looks like a cafeteria that was furnished by IKEA ... how cheeeeap!!

Yes it does look like a cheap cafeteria but those chairs (IMO) look quite retro and expensive. I have yet to see then in IKEA

Quoting TDubJFK (Reply 2):
-The voice on that F/A doing the arrival announcement in ATL is SO annoying and syrupy!

God! I was thinking the same thing! So typical "domestic flight" format and voice pitch.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: TJCAB
Posted 2009-01-06 02:27:59 and read 32767 times.



Quote:
We were offered pre-departure drinks and they were in real glasses this time

maybe they carry limited number of glasses and are not able/allowed to wash and reuse?

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: Airbuseric
Posted 2009-01-07 00:55:29 and read 32767 times.

Hi!
Interesting report on this route/airline combination. I liked the reading of it! Thanks.

My opinion is that I agree with you. Seat looks ok though, but I think it should be a bit more roomy for Business Class. Food on the first leg looks ok to me, despite the fact that you had to go up the galley to score some more food. The food on the continuing flight to the US is very poor. This is a long flight, so at least a full hot mail (dinner or breakfast) would be mostly welcome. The food you got was definitely below standards.
Thanks for the pics, the cover everything very well!

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: Modesto2
Posted 2009-01-10 08:00:20 and read 32767 times.

DL's BusinessElite seats on the 767 are a little tight - I prefer CO's 2-1-2 configuration. However, the J product is nothing to complain about and still a nice ride. I flew ATL-DKR-CPT-DKR-JFK earlier this year and was intrigued with DKR operations and their security checks...

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: DeltaL1011man
Posted 2009-01-10 14:33:00 and read 32767 times.



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 6):
After flying other carriers in business class (including BA and AF), I'd stick to a different carrier on this route. Those seats aren't much better than what BA offers in premium economy. I don't care how good the service is - on a route this long you want a lie-flat seat with more room!

Once it goes 777-232LR it will be better than the others. Plus no more DKR stop.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 12):
It seems that if you're flying from the U.S. to South Africa in Business, choose South African, if you're traveling in coach, choose Delta. Delta has a good coach product on this route with leather slimline seats, a wide array of programs on PTV's, free alcohol, and amenity kits. Until Delta gets the lie-flats on the 764's next year (which is pretty soon), stick with SAA.

No need a Lie-flat 764 will never see this route.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: Evan767
Posted 2009-01-10 18:08:53 and read 32767 times.



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 33):
No need a Lie-flat 764 will never see this route.

Note that that post was over 5 months ago.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: Dc863
Posted 2009-01-14 22:43:29 and read 32767 times.

Typical Delta...........now it's a bloated mega carrier which will offer much more crappy service whether you like it or not. I find it interesting how an airline like Delta has fallen to the quality of a Communist era East European airline. I mean even JAT was never as bad as Delta is now.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: Directorguy
Posted 2009-01-16 10:41:36 and read 32767 times.

In one of the pictures, there's an Egyptair A330-200 incoming from CAI. Next to it is an aircraft with the Egyptian flag on the tailfin. Was the President in Jo'burg or something? And shouldn't his flight be parked at a remote ramp near the VIP terminal?

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: Atlanta
Posted 2009-01-16 11:51:45 and read 32767 times.

Nice TR!

I like your pics!

Quoting Dc863 (Reply 35):
Typical Delta...........now it's a bloated mega carrier which will offer much more crappy service whether you like it or not. I find it interesting how an airline like Delta has fallen to the quality of a Communist era East European airline. I mean even JAT was never as bad as Delta is now.

Have you ever flown DL?

Atlanta

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: MHTripple7
Posted 2009-01-16 17:37:25 and read 32767 times.

Wow, I'm surprised to see people commenting almost 5 months after I posted this! Thanks guys.

Quoting TJCAB (Reply 30):
maybe they carry limited number of glasses and are not able/allowed to wash and reuse?

Perhaps. I just noted it because every foreign carrier I've ever been on has real glasses before departure. The only U.S. carrier I've flown internationally is SA)">DL and they use plastic ones.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 33):
Once it goes 777-232LR it will be better than the others. Plus no more DKR stop.

Yes, this will be a HUGE upgrade in product! It will be far superior to SA's service IMO. If I ever find myself going to JNB again, SA)">DL will actually be my preference by a long shot because of the nonstop 77L.

Quoting Dc863 (Reply 35):
Typical Delta...........now it's a bloated mega carrier which will offer much more crappy service whether you like it or not. I find it interesting how an airline like Delta has fallen to the quality of a Communist era East European airline. I mean even JAT was never as bad as Delta is now.

LOL!

Quoting Directorguy (Reply 36):
In one of the pictures, there's an Egyptair A330-200 incoming from CAI. Next to it is an aircraft with the Egyptian flag on the tailfin. Was the President in Jo'burg or something? And shouldn't his flight be parked at a remote ramp near the VIP terminal?

I was curious as to what that A/C was doing there but I forgot about it when I posted this TR.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: DeltaL1011man
Posted 2009-01-16 19:52:49 and read 32767 times.



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 34):
Note that that post was over 5 months ago.

LOL My bad Evan  Wink

Quoting Dc863 (Reply 35):
Typical Delta...........now it's a bloated mega carrier which will offer much more crappy service whether you like it or not. I find it interesting how an airline like Delta has fallen to the quality of a Communist era East European airline. I mean even JAT was never as bad as Delta is now.

and here we have someone who has no idea what they are talking about......or joking. I'll assume its the later if not sounds like you need to spend sometime on Google checking out the "new" Delta and Delta's new C seats.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: Dc863
Posted 2009-01-25 15:35:36 and read 32767 times.



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 39):
and here we have someone who has no idea what they are talking about......or joking. I'll assume its the later if not sounds like you need to spend sometime on Google checking out the "new" Delta and Delta's new C seats.

I used to live in TLH (until a month ago) where you'd get screwed by DA's prices to fly on a 35 minute flight.
Delta lost it's appeal for me. Sure if you have the money or the free miles you can fly Biz Elite join their Crown Room be a mega super Platinum member but for the ordinary flyer DA isn't what it used to be 20 years ago, there was a time when they cared about the people in Y class. I flew AF from ATL-CDG many times just to avoid DA and found that AF's Y service to be far superior to DA's int'l counterpart.
Most of the flights out of TLH I used to take weren't even on DA aircraft but their subsidiary carriers.
DA has virtually cut all MD88 and 737 service to TLH.

Sorry for my rant but I miss the "Delta is Ready When You Are" era. Now that they've taken over NW I feel DA is nothing more than a bloated "we don't care mega carrier".

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: USAirALB
Posted 2009-01-28 17:47:00 and read 32767 times.

Did Y have PTV's or just monitors?

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: MHTripple7
Posted 2009-01-29 20:26:33 and read 32489 times.



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 41):
Did Y have PTV's or just monitors?

Yes, there were touch screen PTV's on board with AVOD in every seat. DL's IFE was very nice actually and I found it to be better than AF's.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: JAChase
Posted 2009-02-01 06:17:14 and read 32022 times.



Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 27):
Not a good start, too casual!

Heaven forbid the FA's are not formal. Why does the greeting matter? The nitpicking people do on here is ridiculous. Plastic cups!?!? Employees that talk to each other! Seats that don't lie completely flat! What has this world come to? We should all count ourselves lucky to be able to fly at all.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: HUYfan
Posted 2009-02-01 07:25:44 and read 31938 times.

JAChase, you echo my thoughts exactly. This site does indeed appear to have it's fair share of snobby, picky members. People really moan about the most trivial topics.

Did you ask why there were plastic glasses?

Was the 'Hey' said with a big smile?

Employees talking to each other shows good communication channels exist between the crew members, I would have thought that this would have been in advantage in an emergency.

There really is no pleasing some people, don't take everything at face value, you gotta think outside of the box sometimes. If you don't understand why something is happening, ask!!

Regards

Mike

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: MHTripple7
Posted 2009-02-01 18:18:39 and read 31756 times.

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 44):
Did you ask why there were plastic glasses?

Was the 'Hey' said with a big smile?

I'm just going to say that I wasn't complaining about either of those. I just pointed them for you guys to form your own opinions on whether they're acceptable or not. To be honest, I don't give a crap if they are in plastic glasses or not. I do, however, know that the standard is typically to serve J class pax with real glasses so I thought I would point it out. And about the "Hey", I'm not complaining either. I was just explaining how I was greeted. I find that most of the time, the F/A's will show you to your seat and say something a little more professional.

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 44):

Employees talking to each other shows good communication channels exist between the crew members, I would have thought that this would have been in advantage in an emergency.

These F/A's were not talking about aircraft safety, I can tell you that!

If anyone is interested in seeing a truly great J class experience, feel free visit my other trip reports on AI. We were offered escorts through security; tucked-in by F/A's; offered unlimited food with seconds; presented with duvet covers; given a huge amount of amenities; the aircraft had mood lighting and flat bed seats; and the F/A's were extremely friendly and went out of their way to offer excellent service.

Air India 777-200LR DEL-JFK In J W/Pix (by MHTripple7 Jan 11 2009 in Trip Reports)
Air India 777-200LR JFK-DEL In C W/Pix (by MHTripple7 Jan 6 2009 in Trip Reports)

[Edited 2009-02-01 18:21:20]

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: JAChase
Posted 2009-02-02 21:20:41 and read 31394 times.



Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 45):
I'm just going to say that I wasn't complaining about either of those. I just pointed them for you guys to form your own opinions on whether they're acceptable or not. To be honest, I don't give a crap if they are in plastic glasses or not. I do, however, know that the standard is typically to serve J class pax with real glasses so I thought I would point it out. And about the "Hey", I'm not complaining either. I was just explaining how I was greeted. I find that most of the time, the F/A's will show you to your seat and say something a little more professional.

You know very well you are whining about having plastic cups and greetings, just like every other pompous person on this site that thinks the world should stop when they step on an airplane. This isn't called airservice.net, I wish this site would move away from complaining about the plushness of their seatbacks and instead focus on what everyone comes here for.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: Stretch 8
Posted 2009-02-03 08:52:08 and read 31194 times.

I flew to SA in late 2007, with a routing of IAD-LHR (on BA), then LHR to JNB (on SAA, one of the last 744 flights). On my return, it was SAA from CPT to LHR, BA home to IAD.

I will be going back to SA this year, but the SAA service form IAD gives me pause. Not because of the service (it is top notch), but the flights are too damn long. And from March, the SAA flights to/from IAD will stop in Dakar. No thanks.

I prefer to stop and refresh at LHR, see friends, plane spot, etc. I use miles to upgrade to BA's CW product. The Delta J class product, a/c looks just awful.

Topic: RE: Delta 767-400ER JNB-ATL In J W/Pix
Username: ASEFlyer
Posted 2009-02-08 08:12:45 and read 30734 times.

Hey, great trip report, I have been curious about SA)">DL service to SA ever since it started. My aunt and uncle flew the business class ATL-DKR-JNB in July, but their testimony was rather sparse.

I was on the same trip with them though on SAA. Flew from Singita to JNB. Was supposed to be on the 346 to IAD but there was an equipment swap to a smaller 340 and we got bumped through LHR SAA 346 and BA 76(3??) back to IAD. It just meant I had a shorter layover in IAD and I love seeing the sights at LHR.

I have to say I was rather impressed with the Beech flight from Singita. I was travelling with my entire family, I think there were 19 of us total, we had the entire aircraft to ourselves and if I didn't know any better I would have thought the pilots were about 15 years-old!

Anyway, great report, hopefully the new international departures at Tambo has improved, that place was an absolute madhouse before the evening pushes.

Cheers!


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