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Topic: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: Abrelosojos
Posted 2009-12-14 18:49:23 and read 23609 times.

Feedback always appreciated.

Trip Report: 085
Flight Category: Y-ILR (See Report End)
Date: 20 Sep-09 (See Report End)
SDT/SAT/Dur/Delay: 2335/0645+1/10:10 hrs
Flight: Condor DE 5303, 4691 miles
Routing: SEZ-FRA
Aircraft: 763
Seat: Economy Class, 14A/11A

I > Background:
I spent a week working with an airport client in East Africa and had a weekend before returning to Venezuela. Since I was pretty familiar with the region, I decided to hop on to Seychelles for a long weekend of lazing on the beach. KQ offered a good one-way deal on NBO-SEZ. To route myself back to CCS, I purchased a Condor SEZ-FRA ticket to connect to my regular commuter flight to CCS. I had never flown on Condor before … and a last minute purchase meant that I would ticket myself in Y. Interestingly, while the J seats were going for astronomical sums, Y was very cheap. I also looked at HM … but their one-way pricing for SEZ-FRA was absurd to say the least.

While there have been some excellent trip reports on DE, I believe this is the first on the SEZ-FRA segment, and the first report to feature Seychelles.

II > Pre-Flight:

a) Before Airport:
Condor is a pioneering German charter airline that has been held by Lufthansa since inception. It recently went through several ownership options and will be sole owned by Thomas Cook by 2010 … ending LH’s involvement in them. Their business model has also changed as they fly increasingly air only options and go further than they have in the past. Using a fleet of 757’s and 767’s, they have an interesting network that reaches points where German men roam in their thongs to lesser “main stream” cities such as BAH.

Ticketing for the flight was done through Condor’s excellent site at www.condor.com. Interestingly, Condor’s website is far better than its “mother” Lufthansa’s. It is nimble and quick and provides opportunities for up-sell to Y+/J, and the option to buy select “up sell” products such as seat selection and gourmet food. Moreover, one can view and modify their seats if they so desired. Of course, the seat selection function only happens if you buy the seat for 10 Euros. Interestingly, on long haul flights, exit row seats were not allowed to be pre-bought. Strange concept as I’d have paid for these … and not for just securing any seat.

b) At Airport:
Seychelles has a rather pleasant airport very reminiscent of some of the ones in the Pacific islands. It features an open-air check-in and all ground handling is done by Air Seychelles. Although check-in counters opened 5 hours before the flight … and I managed to show-up 5 hours prior (a new record for me), and within 30 minutes there would be a long queue! I was amused that I was one of the only 3 non-German passport holders; the other 2 was an Indo-Israeli couple holding Indian and Israeli passports. How cute. They were going to have an interesting ride on Condor I thought!
I managed to confuse the check-in agent when I opened my travel wallet and all 5 of my passports fell out. She was extremely suspicious and insisted on checking my Liechtenstein passport for 10 minutes and ask absurd (but, cute) questions. After she was reassured that I was able to enter Germany without a visa, she finally decided to check me in. I was surprised when my request for an exit row was turned down as all of them had apparently been taken. She mentioned that it was because “many people pre-buy their seats on Condor”. Now, if exit row seats were not sold for long-haul flights, and I was the 3rd to check-in, who took the seats and when?

After check-in, I watched the crowds for a bit before proceeding through quick immigration and security checks. The boarding area is made up of a few gates and actually got quite busy as the HM flight from MRU came in. A lot of the passengers apparently connect on to the HM flight to LHR (via FRA). Interesting two-stop routing and I wonder if HM files cheap fares on MRU-LHR.

Boarding was announced 45 minutes prior and we walked to the aircraft … always a good feeling. Upon embarkation, I was greeted by a group of rather cheery flight attendants as I made my way to my seat. It was good to see them actively help passengers find seats and help with luggage. This is extremely rare in many European carriers and I was pleasantly surprised. Y load was 75%. Since I had a rather “big” man sit next to me, I requested and was able to move from assigned 14A to 11A. Not only was there now no one next to me, I was also convinced that the seat had more legroom.

Airport - External:

(Open air Seychelles airport)



Check-in:

(Check-in)


Airport - Internal:

(Internal)






(FIDS)


(Post Security @ SEZ)


Scenes of the tarmac:

(HM arrival from MRU … and onward to FRA-LHR)


Lounge

NONE

Boarding:

(Boarding gate)


III> In-Flight:

a) Service Schedule + Impressions:
Upon boarding, newspapers and magazines were distributed. All of them were German offerings and I was impressed when my request for English periodicals saw the flight attendant go to the J class section and bring me a “TIME” magazine. Post-take off, beverage and dinner run. Then, duty free and a couple of movies on this rather long flight. Finally, prior to arrival, another meal service.

b) Aircraft + Seats:
Condor used a rather old Boeing 767-300 for this long journey. While clean and well-maintained, she was definitely showing her age. Moreover, the very 1980s lighting and small things like seat controls being duck-taped added to an overall feel of being in a much older jetliner. Sad really, because the seats looked like they were recently fitted.

Ok. Let us talk about the seats. The cloth seats were not really comfortable, but pretty much standard “charter” airline stock. Recline was also very average. Now, the seat pitch was VERY tight in row 14 and relatively better in row 11. I wonder if row 11 is used as Premium Economy during higher loads?

Aircraft:

(763@ SEZ)


Views from Aircraft:

(Taken on arrival at SEZ)




(What is a Privatair 737 doing at SEZ? Any ideas?)


General Seat Views + Seat Legroom





(I could have sworn the seats below had more legroom than the ones above)


(Controls – broken and duck-taped. Not good.)


Seat Recline + Angle View:





Cabin:





(Bathroom Amenities)
NONE


c) Meal + Beverage:

Soon after take-off, a free dinner service is offered which comes with one bottle of wine or beer. The meal today was a pasta dish with a bland chicken (with cheese sauce) and some rather old carrots. This was accompanied by a piece of VERY hard bread and some nasty old salad. To finish off, there was dessert which was very “Y class” … sugary and without depth of flavor.

This was followed by a breakfast service approximately 75 minutes prior to landing consisting of three slabs of fruit which could definitely have been presented much better, along with some cold cuts and crackers to make your own sandwich. The freshness of the cold cuts definitely compensated for the slabs of fruit. Accompanying breakfast was tea or café.

Overall, Condor’s dining option is just about the “Y-average”. It is one of those unforgettable meals that I won’t remember past this report.

(Dinner)


(Breakfast)


d) Inflight Entertainment:
Condor has overhead displays playing flickering German movies without subtitles. For a flight around 10 hours, I wish they had more options. For example, why not have personal video units for rent during the flights? They have so many other ancillary revenue options; why can’t this be one of them? I really did feel sorry for the Israeli-Indian couple who were probably perplexed at what they saw for 10 hours. Additionally, their in-flight magazine was nothing spectacular and again was a bit too German focused. Again, I recognize the primary customer base … but, they no longer compete solely as an all-inclusive ex-Germany tour operator.

NONE

(“In-flight magazines”, Boarding Passes, etc.)


e) Crew:
It seems to me that I have been on a lucky wave. After having an incredible set of crew on the recent Privatair flight from BOM to MUC (rare these days on European airlines), I had an equally nice group of crew on Condor’s flight. Actually, I was more than pleasantly surprised! The crew was very active during the boarding process; immediately responded to the call button (elapsed time of less than 5 minutes); did water runs; and, their smile seemed genuine and full of warmth. Recognizing this, I sent a small note to the purser saying how much I had appreciated all the little gestures … including earlier going to J cabin and getting me my “Time” magazine … in return, I got the purser to come and thank me personally for flying Condor … and a Premium Economy amenity kit as a token of appreciation. Aaw!

I sincerely wish Lufthansa’s management send their own crews to sister carriers such as Condor and Privatair for some re-training!

IV> Post-Flight:
Landing at FRA was remarkably smooth, and it took a rather impressive (by FRA standards) 34 minutes to be on the kerbside … without baggage.

V> Impressions + Scores:
Condor gets mixed reviews. It is average in terms of seats, food and beverage; below industry in IFE for a 10 hour flight; but completely compensated by an excellent group of cabin crew members. In fact, it was probably one of the best overall Y class cabin crew I have witnessed out of an European carrier for a while. Of course, there were little annoyances (why can’t I pre-book an exit-row seat on long-haul), but these are easy fixes.

I will fly Condor again – especially because the crew on this particular SEZ-FRA flight highlighted that European crews can be amongst the best in the world. However, a product is a sum of its parts … and Condor still has tons of areas to improve. One thump up.



VI> Other Trip Reports:

PREMIUM:
8.64: Turkish Airlines (59): JFK-IST: 11/2008
8.61: Air Canada (49): YYZ-SCL: 06/2008
8.54: Turkish Airlines (77): GRU-DKR-IST: 04/2009
8.30: Jet Airways (74): KWI-BOM: 04/2009
8.23: United Airlines (72): SFO-SYD: 03/2009
8.11: Aeroflot (33): MOW-DEL: 09/2007
8.05: Air India (80): CCU-JFK: 06/2009
8.04: Korean Air (40): NRT-ICN: 10/2007
8.02: Delta Airlines (24): JFK-CDG: 08/2007
7.46: LAN (55): YYZ-JFK: 09/2008
7.82: Singapore Airlines (06): EWR-SIN: 09/2006
7.23: Virgin Atlantic (81): BOS-LHR: 07/2009
7.14: Swiss (52): SCL-GRU: 06/2008
7.11: Austrian (79): VIE-JFK: 06/2009
7.07: Privatair (84): BOM-FRA: 08/2009
7.02: Qatar (68): DOH-JFK: 01/2009
6.96: Etihad (61): JFK-AUH: 12/2008
6.93: Delta Airlines (18): SEA-JFK: 11/2006
6.84: ConViasa (65): CCS-DAM: 01/2009
6.81: Air Canada (17): ICN-YYZ: 10/2006
6.70: KLM (32): EBB-AMS: 08/2007
6.36: Privatair (60): MUC-BOS: 12/2008
6.25: Korean Air (45): NAN-ICN: 10/2007
6.11: TAP Portugal (53): GRU-OPO: 06/2008
6.00: Gulf Air (75): BOM-BAH: 04/2009
5.75: Singapore Airlines (16): CCU-SIN: 10/2006
5.64: NorthWest (46): ICN-NRT-SEA: 10/2007
5.46: Icelandair (83): KEF-BOS: 08/2009
5.39: LOT (54): WAW-JFK: 06/2008
5.21: Egypt Air (73): CAI-IST: 02/2009
5.07: TACA (66): JFK-SAP: 01/2009
4.42: Air France: CDG-JNB (25): 08/2007

ECONOMY: Long + Medium:
9.26: Air India (48): JFK-DEL: 02/2008
7.38: Avianca (01): BOG-LIM: 07/2006
7.07: Sri Lankan (62): KWI-CMB: 12/2008
6.41: American Airlines (58): LHR-BOS: 11/2008 6.41: Avianca (78): JFK-BOG: 05/2009
6.39: Condor (85): SEZ-FRA: 09/2009
6.26: Jet Blue (21): CUN-JFK: 02/2007
6.06: Air Canada (04): YYZ-YVR: 09/2006
5.89: USA 3000 (19): PUJ-BDL: 01/2007
5.85: Spanair (69): MAD-LPA: 02/2009
5.79: Air New Zealand (42): RAR-NAN: 10/2007
5.46: TAP Air Portugal (23): OSL-LIS: 05/2007
5.19: Air Europa (70): LPA-MAD: 02/2009
5.16: Iberia (71): MAD-BOS: 02/2009
5.11: Air China (82): FRA-PEK: 08/2009

ECONOMY: Short
8.56: Paramount Airways (38): BLR-MAA: 09/2007
8.56: Kingfisher (64): HYD-CCU: 12/2008
8.24: Kingfisher (14): IXA-GAU: 10/2006
7.87: Indian (34): BOM-MAA: 09/2007
7.72: Alliance Air (13): CCU-IXA: 10/2006
7.57: Indian Airlines (10): DEL-CCU: 09/2006
7.23: West Jet (03): YYC-YVR: 09/2006
7.15: JetLite (37): BOM-GOI: 09/2007
6.70: Spice Jet (09): CCU-DEL: 09/2006
6.63: Air Fiji (44): NAN-SUV: 10/2007
6.63: Jazeera (67): DAM-KWI: 01/2009
6.58: Air Tran (02): EWR-MDW: 08/2006
6.48: Air India Express (63): CMB-MAA: 12/2008
6.44: CO Micronesia (39): ROR-YAP: 10/2007
6.41: Pacific Sun (43): NAN-SUV: 10/2007
6.37: Skybus (47): SWF-CMH: 02/2008
6.33: Kenya Airways (29): NBO-BJM: 08/2007
6.33: Sky Europe (56): LTN-BTS: 10/2008
6.31: Indigo (15): GAU-CCU: 10/2006
6.31: easyJet (57): BUD-LTN: 11/2008
6.22: Air Link Swazi (28): MTS-JNB: 08/2007
6.22: Air India (36): HYD-BOM: 09/2007
6.13: Adam Air (07): SIN-CGK: 09/2006
6.13: Air Rarotonga (41): RAR-AIT: 10/2007
6.00: Transairways (27): INH-MPM: 08/2007
5.95: Air Canada (05): ALB-YYZ: 09/2006
5.85: SAS Norge (22): OSL-AES: 05/2007
5.81: LAM Mozambique (26): JNB-MPM: 08/2007
5.69: Air Deccan (12): IXZ-CCU: 10/2006
5.67: Rwanda Air Exp (30): KGL-NBO: 08/2007
5.11: Aero Republica (76): BOG-CCS: 04/2009
5.07: Go Air (35): MAA-HYD: 09/2007
5.00: Sky Airline (51): IQQ-SCL: 06/2008
4.96: Valuair (08): CGK-SIN: 09/2006
4.78: Air Comet Chile (50): SCL-IQQ: 06/2008
4.74: Fly 540 (31): MYD-LAU: 08/2007
4.33: Viva Aerobus (20): ELP-MTY: 02/2007
4.11: Air Sahara (11): CCU-BOM: 09/2006

(Note on Codes: Y – Economy, J – Business, F – First :: I/D – International/Domestic :: SR/MR/LR – Short/Medium/Long Haul)
(Note on Date: Dates are modified to be +/- 3 days from actual flight date to not reveal actual flight pattern)

VII> Other Pictures:

(Amenity kit – Premium Economy and Comfort Class – the later I bought)

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: Tropical77W
Posted 2009-12-14 19:03:27 and read 23573 times.



Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Condor has overhead displays playing flickering German movies without subtitles. For a flight around 10 hours, I wish they had more options. For example, why not have personal video units for rent during the flights?

that sounds absolutely brutal for non-german speakers....

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: Avianca
Posted 2009-12-14 19:26:12 and read 23511 times.

great report as always

Quoting Tropical77W (Reply 1):
that sounds absolutely brutal for non-german speakers....

yes, but it would be interesting how many of the passengers are non-german speakers.
as per my understanding there are only some routes that have good non-german speakers load, like FRA-PMV which normally have good loads from passengers from eastern europe.

cheers
Avianca

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: LYChemsa
Posted 2009-12-14 20:34:40 and read 23418 times.

What was the fare? Thanks. Did you like the Seychelles? I hear it is very expensive.

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: LTU932
Posted 2009-12-14 21:13:57 and read 23362 times.



Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Condor has overhead displays playing flickering German movies without subtitles. For a flight around 10 hours, I wish they had more options.

Perhaps DE simply operates under the premise that they're intended for just German or German speaking passengers. I don't remember well how it was for me when I last flew on LT (and on an MD-11 no less), but I believe that their IFE also didn't offer neither subtitled movies, nor a channel with the film dubbed in English. No idea about the inflight magazine though, that was 12 years ago.

Like I said, I guess they simply operate under the fact that their services are mostly intended for Germans and/or German speakers. Other passengers are welcome but if they want IFE, then it's only in German.

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: The777Man
Posted 2009-12-15 01:48:47 and read 23056 times.

Nice report! I wouldn't expect anything from a carrier like Condor but the service seems pretty good.

As for IFE movies only in German; I wouldn't expect anything else on a German charter carrier.

Let me know if you head out this way to the US West coast.

The777Man

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: AustrianZRH
Posted 2009-12-15 02:10:01 and read 23022 times.



Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I had an equally nice group of crew on Condor’s flight. Actually, I was more than pleasantly surprised! The crew was very active during the boarding process; immediately responded to the call button (elapsed time of less than 5 minutes); did water runs; and, their smile seemed genuine and full of warmth.



Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I sincerely wish Lufthansa’s management send their own crews to sister carriers such as Condor and Privatair for some re-training!

Funny that you say that... I had exactly that F/A experience this summer when flying ZRH-DEN/DEN-ZRH via FRA on LH. On both ways excellent, attentive flight attendants who made me feel like they are living for their job and who were still surrounded by the "stewardess glamour" rather than the modern day flight attendant behaviour. The outbound ones were even better than the inbound ones. However, maybe I just got lucky and as I am not flying as much long haul as I wish, I don't have much comparison (actually just AC)...

Otherwise, nice trip report. Of course it's bad for you their IFE is just in German, but as you said there were only 3 pax on the flight without German passports, so probably they feel the gained customers due to English IFE are not worth the expense...

Sigi

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: Abrelosojos
Posted 2009-12-15 07:41:52 and read 22617 times.



Quoting Tropical77W (Reply 1):
that sounds absolutely brutal for non-german speakers....

= It is.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 2):
yes, but it would be interesting how many of the passengers are non-german speakers.

= I know of only 2 on this flight.

Quoting LYChemsa (Reply 3):
What was the fare? Thanks. Did you like the Seychelles? I hear it is very expensive.

= I believe fare was like 300 USD. Seychelles was really nice ... though, you would need a car to get away from thong wearing German tourists. And, it is expensive  Sad.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 4):
Perhaps DE simply operates under the premise that they're intended for just German or German speaking passengers. I don't remember well how it was for me when I last flew on LT (and on an MD-11 no less), but I believe that their IFE also didn't offer neither subtitled movies, nor a channel with the film dubbed in English. No idea about the inflight magazine though, that was 12 years ago.

Like I said, I guess they simply operate under the fact that their services are mostly intended for Germans and/or German speakers. Other passengers are welcome but if they want IFE, then it's only in German.



Quoting The777Man (Reply 5):
As for IFE movies only in German; I wouldn't expect anything else on a German charter carrier.

= Here is the thing. As I said in my writeup, I think it made sense in the past when Condor was primarily an all-inclusive German charter carrier. It has moved slightly away from that business model and now operates as a low-frills airline. You can book one-way seats from anywhere ... so, its content must evolve with it as well. I recognize the need to cater to a German audience ... but we do live in a global world.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 5):
Let me know if you head out this way to the US West coast.

= Will do.

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 6):
Funny that you say that... I had exactly that F/A experience this summer when flying ZRH-DEN/DEN-ZRH via FRA on LH. On both ways excellent, attentive flight attendants who made me feel like they are living for their job and who were still surrounded by the "stewardess glamour" rather than the modern day flight attendant behaviour. The outbound ones were even better than the inbound ones. However, maybe I just got lucky and as I am not flying as much long haul as I wish, I don't have much comparison (actually just AC)...

= You must have been lucky! The only good LH crew I usually encounter are the ICN and DEL based crews. I have spent more time on LH metal than in my apartment and their crews are nothing special. Don't get me wrong ... they are no Iberia ... but, they are anything but average.

In their defense though, they do have a silly management that insists that the purser does not work the flight (unlike LX) and they have a VERY poor pax:crew ratio in Y which ensures service delivery takes a very looooooong time.

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 6):
Otherwise, nice trip report. Of course it's bad for you their IFE is just in German, but as you said there were only 3 pax on the flight without German passports, so probably they feel the gained customers due to English IFE are not worth the expense...

= In the past, yes. Future, perhaps no?

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2009-12-15 08:53:23 and read 22481 times.

Hi A.,

excellent review, good to see a report involving the "upgraded" DE 767 cabin.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
It was good to see them actively help passengers find seats and help with luggage. This is extremely rare in many European carriers and I was pleasantly surprised.

I noticed that on two recent Sky Airlines flights to and from AYT.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
For a flight around 10 hours, I wish they had more options. For example, why not have personal video units for rent during the flights? They have so many other ancillary revenue options; why can’t this be one of them?

I'm not sure whether there would be a reasonable demand among the average Y class holiday travellers.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I really did feel sorry for the Israeli-Indian couple who were probably perplexed at what they saw for 10 hours. Additionally, their in-flight magazine was nothing spectacular and again was a bit too German focused. Again, I recognize the primary customer base … but, they no longer compete solely as an all-inclusive ex-Germany tour operator.

Many seats are still filled by tour operators and the competition on many routes is limited. I'm not sure whether it would be worth the expense.


PH

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: BA319-131
Posted 2009-12-15 12:13:32 and read 22182 times.

Hi Alex,

Another great read, thanks for posting.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Interestingly, Condor’s website is far better than its “mother” Lufthansa’s. It is nimble and quick and provides opportunities for up-sell to Y+/J, and the option to buy select “up sell” products such as seat selection and gourmet food. Moreover, one can view and modify their seats if they so desired. Of course, the seat selection function only happens if you buy the seat for 10 Euros

- Now that is impressive, many airlines could take a leaf out of this!

The cabin interior looks very dated, appreciate it is an early 767, but those seat colours/design look just awful!

Food looks unimpressive but I'd not really expected much to be honest, that said, looks better than some meals on 'flag' carriers across the Atlantic!

Regards

Mark

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: LTU932
Posted 2009-12-15 12:21:20 and read 22169 times.



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 7):
= Here is the thing. As I said in my writeup, I think it made sense in the past when Condor was primarily an all-inclusive German charter carrier. It has moved slightly away from that business model and now operates as a low-frills airline. You can book one-way seats from anywhere ... so, its content must evolve with it as well. I recognize the need to cater to a German audience ... but we do live in a global world.

I do agree, but I guess in this case, the people at DE either don't agree with you on this, or they simply made the IFE a very low priority if they don't even have something like English subtitles on the film or at least an SAP channel for it. That being said, this is all speculation from me.

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: Reifel
Posted 2009-12-15 16:14:15 and read 21897 times.

Thanks for the nice report. Indeed they refurbished the seats, however I think they look awful.
Condor has nice crews indeed, and it's rare to not see other than german travellers on them, at least to popular holiday destinations. This is because they still sell a huge amount of seats on those flights to german tour operators, while also selling some single seats on the web as well.

Nevertheless they are also somehow active on the spanish market, since they have a spanish website and also publish spanish newsletters and special offers.

It is somehow understandable that 95% of the passengers will be fine with what you got, since everything else than german would annoy them. Nevertheless they should at least offer an english language on the movies. Condor can be booked through any GDS and has throughfares filed in cooperation with LH from almost any European airport through Frankfurt (Transfer counter in Terminal 1B). Nevertheless those fares are usually not competitve, cannot be booked online on the condor website and for most of the "international" travellers Condor will not be the first option, therefore I guess the amount of passengers booking those fares are rather low.

Interesting fact concerning their fares: They have some curious fares filed in Amadeus. Due to a cooperation with Alaska Airways, you can i.e. buy a ticket with Condor to Honolulu via Anchorage, a ticket with Condor to Texas via Las Vegas, or if you wish to fly to SFO, well then you have to fly to Santa Rosa, CA (!!!) via LAS with Alaska... Very strange routings. But since they usually only fly once a week to the US or ANC it's very unrealistic that the preferred travel dates of the pasenger will match with their schedule (and mostly their price will be very high, too, elminating them as an option...).

Did you know that Condor has a Business-Class-Fare filed in Amadeus from FRA to SCL? Well they do (or they did, since I guess they dropped South America)! Take a look at the routing: Frankfurt-Recife on Condor, then continuation on Gol (in Eco). However Recife-SCL on Gol mean a) on overnight (and not paid) stop in REC, continuating the next day and having 2 or even 3 additonal stops in Rio, Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires! Now honestly: Who would book this kind of trips (well I would, but which "normal" passenger would?), especially if you are expecting business class travel!

Not difficult to understand why they're just german people onboard when you consider that.

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: Debonair
Posted 2009-12-15 17:29:58 and read 21823 times.

Hi, hope I can help...

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I also looked at HM ... but their one-way pricing for SEZ-FRA was absurd to say the least.

True! HM will also discontinue the service to FRA from summer 2010!

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
they have an interesting network that reaches points where German men roam in their thongs to lesser "main stream" cities such as BAH.

Nope, not true at all! BAH is serving as hub in winter time; previously they used Sharjah, Dubai etc.! BAH is used for re-fueling of their B757 and B767 fleet, e.g. on flights to/from Thailand. Dubai was sold very well, but I guess LH was not so happy about it!

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
exit row seats were not allowed to be pre-bought. Strange concept as I'd have paid for these ...



Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
She mentioned that it was because "many people pre-buy their seats on Condor". Now, if exit row seats were not sold for long-haul flights, and I was the 3rd to check-in, who took the seats and when?

Complicated. CONDOR is not selling EXIT-seats with lower comfort and row 22 is "low-comfort" (due to not reclining backrests!)- so these seats are free of charge. Row 23 was sold in the past, but skipped in favor for selling more PREMIUM economy.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
she was definitely showing her age. Moreover, the very 1980s lighting and small things like seat controls being duck-taped added to an overall feel of being in a much older jetliner.

Strange! I always had the impression, that DE's fleet looked always "fresh"- totally opposite to MARTINAIR's very, very well used B767-fleet. BTW: lucky you, until recently the cabin looked like:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
What is a Privatair 737 doing at SEZ?

Privatair is doing sometimes cruise/VIP-chartes. Might be one!

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I requested and was able to move from assigned 14A to 11A. Not only was there now no one next to me, I was also convinced that the seat had more legroom.

well, it is the first row behind PREMIUM Y with more recline...

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Condor has overhead displays playing flickering German movies without subtitles.

Well, listen next time to CONDOR's entertainment system, you will find Channel 1 in German and Channel 2 in English- no subtitles are needed. During summer (I guess, wait! or AB?!) there was a German movie shown, so no subtitles and no dubbed version.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(Controls -- broken and duck-taped. Not good.)

Believe it or not, the ashtrays getting stolen from board and won't be replaced (too expensive and always dirty). Thats why a silver duck-tape is covering the black hole...

Quoting Avianca (Reply 2):
like FRA-PMV which normally have good loads from passengers from eastern europe.

Thanks to LOT and LH, Condor is very well accepted on the Polish market as well. Especially to SDQ, POP, SJO and PMV many locals are using these flights- as an alternative to IB. Spanish influenced entertainment is most urgently needed on these sectors

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: Airbuseric
Posted 2009-12-15 23:33:52 and read 21561 times.

Hi A.!

Thanks for this interesting read. For some reason you are always able to get attraction by your choice of route and airline  Smile

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
It was good to see them actively help passengers find seats and help with luggage. This is extremely rare in many European carriers

Nice. But I've seen this on my JetX (Iceland) MD80 flight also, and a few times on European KL-flights. But as you noticed already, this is not the 'rule' anymore.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
General Seat Views + Seat Legroom

Actually, I like the seat and clothing/design. It's somehow different to say at least. But, it won't help if these are not sitting comfortable.

Did your B767 have winglets already? DE is fitting all of them with the blended winglets.

While meals are a bit dissappointing, with the fare you mentioned for a one-way ticket, I think there is indeed not too much to complain and you received a very reasonable treatment.

If I can only manage to fly one of their B753's now... I'm still hunting that aircraft type

Regards,
Eric

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: MilesDependent
Posted 2009-12-16 03:56:51 and read 21428 times.

Another great report!

How many countries have you been to? Must be past 100 by now?

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: Abrelosojos
Posted 2009-12-17 07:06:23 and read 20791 times.



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):

excellent review, good to see a report involving the "upgraded" DE 767 cabin.



Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 9):
The cabin interior looks very dated, appreciate it is an early 767, but those seat colours/design look just awful!



Quoting Debonair (Reply 12):

Strange! I always had the impression, that DE's fleet looked always "fresh"- totally opposite to MARTINAIR's very, very well used B767-fleet. BTW: lucky you, until recently the cabin looked like:

= Haha. It seems Condor's interiors either get good or bad reviews. Personally, I thought the seat was fine ... but the interior was too 1980/1990 for my taste.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
I noticed that on two recent Sky Airlines flights to and from AYT.

= Good to know. Do you think some of the larger airline groupings are listening?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):

I'm not sure whether there would be a reasonable demand among the average Y class holiday travellers.

= For 10 hour flights, I would bet there would be some demand. Remember, Jet Star and Air Asia X does well on these.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 10):
I do agree, but I guess in this case, the people at DE either don't agree with you on this, or they simply made the IFE a very low priority if they don't even have something like English subtitles on the film or at least an SAP channel for it. That being said, this is all speculation from me.

= Perhaps things will change with the change in ownership?

Quoting Reifel (Reply 11):

Did you know that Condor has a Business-Class-Fare filed in Amadeus from FRA to SCL? Well they do (or they did, since I guess they dropped South America)! Take a look at the routing: Frankfurt-Recife on Condor, then continuation on Gol (in Eco). However Recife-SCL on Gol mean a) on overnight (and not paid) stop in REC, continuating the next day and having 2 or even 3 additonal stops in Rio, Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires! Now honestly: Who would book this kind of trips (well I would, but which "normal" passenger would?), especially if you are expecting business class travel!

= Jaja. I would buy it  Smile. Can I call you to ticket?

Quoting Debonair (Reply 12):

True! HM will also discontinue the service to FRA from summer 2010!

= Not surprised. Most pax on their FRA flight was continuing to LHR.

Quoting Debonair (Reply 12):
Nope, not true at all! BAH is serving as hub in winter time; previously they used Sharjah, Dubai etc.! BAH is used for re-fueling of their B757 and B767 fleet, e.g. on flights to/from Thailand. Dubai was sold very well, but I guess LH was not so happy about it!

= This is interesting. I had no idea. Are you sure? Does DE sell points beyond BAH? Their website indicates that it just is an O&D link.

Quoting Debonair (Reply 12):
well, it is the first row behind PREMIUM Y with more recline...

= Good advice from now onwards for all.

Quoting Debonair (Reply 12):

Believe it or not, the ashtrays getting stolen from board and won't be replaced (too expensive and always dirty). Thats why a silver duck-tape is covering the black hole...

= Those sneaky German holiday makers  Smile.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 13):
For some reason you are always able to get attraction by your choice of route and airline Smile

= Jaja. Thanks. I like doing things differently.

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 14):

How many countries have you been to? Must be past 100 by now?

= Yes  Smile.

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: Reifel
Posted 2009-12-17 15:50:49 and read 20604 times.



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 15):
= Jaja. I would buy it Smile. Can I call you to ticket?

By the way, out of curiousity I checked yesterday for that fare again. It still exists, however now you need to fly from FRA to SSA with DE (since they don't fly to REC anymore), continuing with Gol (again 2 or even 3 stops).

While looking for the fares with Condor I also found an interesting fare with TACV Cabo Verde Airlines from HAM to South America. The Routing is HAM-LIS (on LH), then with Cabo Verde op by TP to SID, then with a prop from TACV to RAI, then to FOR (reaching South America) again with Cabo Verde, and from there with Gol to South American Destinations. Absolutely Insane. Actually filing prices in GDS is for sure not for free, and I can't actually believe that anybody would book this.

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: Debonair
Posted 2009-12-19 02:38:30 and read 20275 times.



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 15):
Quoting Debonair (Reply 12):
Nope, not true at all! BAH is serving as hub in winter time; previously they used Sharjah, Dubai etc.! BAH is used for re-fueling of their B757 and B767 fleet, e.g. on flights to/from Thailand. Dubai was sold very well, but I guess LH was not so happy about it!

= This is interesting. I had no idea. Are you sure? Does DE sell points beyond BAH? Their website indicates that it just is an O&D link.

Believe me! Try to book another flight and you will come across e.g.:

14:00 Frankfurt/Main
via Bahrain
04:55+ Goa (B757-300)

or

10:00 Phuket
via Bahrain
19:10 Frankfurt/Main (B767 fuel-stop)

or

23:50 Frankfurt/Main
via Bahrain
16:35+ Colombo (B757-300)

One reason I would rather fly any other carrier, rather than sitting on a B757-300 via BAH to Colombo or Goa!  crowded 

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 13):
If I can only manage to fly one of their B753's now... I'm still hunting that aircraft type

Why?! Whats the problem?! You can easily fly from DUS to sunny holiday destinations (especially when they are on sale!) or you choose one of condoe winter DOMESTIC flights from HAMBURG to MUNICH for 49€!

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 13):
While meals are a bit dissappointing,



Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
It is one of those unforgettable meals that I won’t remember past this report.

That's why you can purchase PREMIUM meals...

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: Abrelosojos
Posted 2009-12-19 06:03:49 and read 20206 times.



Quoting Reifel (Reply 16):
While looking for the fares with Condor I also found an interesting fare with TACV Cabo Verde Airlines from HAM to South America. The Routing is HAM-LIS (on LH), then with Cabo Verde op by TP to SID, then with a prop from TACV to RAI, then to FOR (reaching South America) again with Cabo Verde, and from there with Gol to South American Destinations. Absolutely Insane. Actually filing prices in GDS is for sure not for free, and I can't actually believe that anybody would book this.

= Curious. What is the filed fare?

Quoting Debonair (Reply 17):
Believe me! Try to book another flight and you will come across e.g.:

14:00 Frankfurt/Main
via Bahrain
04:55+ Goa (B757-300)

or

10:00 Phuket
via Bahrain
19:10 Frankfurt/Main (B767 fuel-stop)

or

23:50 Frankfurt/Main
via Bahrain
16:35+ Colombo (B757-300)

= Yes. But, they have no 5th freedom, or do not sell, BAH to any of their onwards destinations. That is what I was trying to say.

Quoting Debonair (Reply 17):
One reason I would rather fly any other carrier, rather than sitting on a B757-300 via BAH to Colombo or Goa! crowded

= Actually, I find BAH a rather pleasant airport ... probably not as chaotic and nicer than the other hubs in the GCC region. Also, is there any nonstop going to CMB or GOI from FRA?

Quoting Debonair (Reply 17):
That's why you can purchase PREMIUM meals...

= True. But then it would be covering a different trip report ... and a different fare point. Thus, I mentioned in the report that the option does exist  Wink.

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: Airbuseric
Posted 2009-12-19 11:18:49 and read 20035 times.



Quoting Debonair (Reply 17):
Why?! Whats the problem?! You can easily fly from DUS to sunny holiday destinations (especially when they are on sale!) or you choose one of condoe winter DOMESTIC flights from HAMBURG to MUNICH for 49€!

Hehe... I know. But I think you see my tripreports here also regularly, and as mostly I try to fix a trip to be completed on the same day, departure ex Netherlands. But, I've found a schedule which is available for me,... not booked yet though.

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: Reifel
Posted 2009-12-20 14:13:52 and read 19778 times.



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 18):
= Curious. What is the filed fare?

I found it again, however not from HAM. The cheapest option would be from MAD (LIS is the same rate, but hey: You get a flight more (MAD-LIS) if you take MAD as departure póint). The flight goes to GRU (you can go to FOR only, but it's the same rate as continuing to GRU).

But it's rather expensive:

Either One Way: Farebasis WOW for 560 EUR + Tax
Or Return: Farebasis BVREU for 559 EUR + Tax or WLVREU for 590 EUR + Tax. WLVREU is for low season.

And here is the routing out of Amadeus:
1 * MAD-IB/TP-LIS-VR-RAI-VR-SID-VR-FOR-G3/JJ-SAO
2 * MAD-IB/TP-LIS-VR-SID-VR-RAI-VR-FOR-G3/JJ-SAO

Sounds interesting?  Smile I guess you will need a few overnight connecting stays on that trip...

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: Reifel
Posted 2009-12-20 14:29:12 and read 19767 times.

I was curious and I tried to book a trip, In winter it seams that SID-FOR is not flown at all and RAI-FOR only on sundays. you will need to make an overnight at SID, therefore depart on Saturdays:

3 TP 715 M 13FEB 6 MADLIS HK2 2 1425 1440 319 E 0 M
4 VR 601 W 13FEB 6 LISSID HK2 1 1740 2040 757 E 0 L
5 VR4101 Y 14FEB 7 SIDRAI HK2 1240 1330 AT4 E 0
6 VR 660 W 14FEB 7 RAIFOR HK2 2130 2340 757 E 0 L
7 JJ3323 V 15FEB 1 FORGRU HK1 0008 0440 320 E 0

That would be the ticket. I priced it on Hahn Air (HR)-Stock since we are not allowed to issue on VR stock.

1.FD/FSDF 2.FDF/FDF
1 MAD TP 715 M 13FEB 1425 OK WOW 2PC
2 X LIS VR 601 W 13FEB 1740 OK WOW 20K
3 X SID VR 4101 Y 14FEB 1240 OK WOW 20K
4 X RAI VR 660 W 14FEB 2130 OK WOW 2PC
5 X FOR JJ 3323 V 15FEB 0008 OK WOW 2PC
GRU
FARE F EUR 560.00
TX001 X EUR 35.00YQAC TX002 X EUR 125.00YQAD TX003 X EUR 5.25JDAE
TX004 X EUR 1.82QVDP TX005 X EUR 13.18YPAE TX006 X EUR 6.71PTSE
TX007 X EUR 18.40CVAE TX008 X EUR 5.50BRLO
TOTAL EUR 770.86
GRAND TOTAL EUR 770.86
MAD TP X/LIS VR X/SID VR X/RAI VR X/FOR JJ SAO808.14NUC808.14EN
D ROE0.692944




Still not exotic enough. Well did you know that apaerently FOR-GRU does not to be direct. Like this routing for 11 EUR (just taxes) more?:

1.FD/FSDF 2.FDF/FDF
3 TP 715 M 13FEB 6 MADLIS HK1 2 1425 1440 319 E 0 M
SEE RTSVC
4 VR 601 W 13FEB 6 LISSID HK2 1 1740 2040 757 E 0 L
SEE RTSVC
5 VR4101 Y 14FEB 7 SIDRAI HK2 1240 1330 AT4 E 0
9/ NON-SMOKING
6 VR 660 W 14FEB 7 RAIFOR HK2 2130 2340 757 E 0 L
9/ NON-SMOKING
7 JJ3859 V 15FEB 1 FORSSA HK1 0600 0745 320 E 0
SEE RTSVC
8 JJ3304 V 15FEB 1 SSABSB HK1 0820 1110 320 E 0
SEE RTSVC
9 JJ3578 V 15FEB 1 BSBGRU HK1 1150 1325 320 E 0
SEE RTSVC
10 FV PAX HR/S3-9/P1-2


FXB/R,UP,VC-HR

1.FD/FSDF 2.FDF/FDF
1 MAD TP 715 M 13FEB 1425 OK WOW 2PC
2 X LIS VR 601 W 13FEB 1740 OK WOW 20K
3 X SID VR 4101 Y 14FEB 1240 OK WOW 20K
4 X RAI VR 660 W 14FEB 2130 OK WOW 2PC
5 X FOR JJ 3859 V 15FEB 0600 OK WOW 2PC
6 X SSA JJ 3304 V 15FEB 0820 OK WOW 2PC
7 X BSB JJ 3578 V 15FEB 1150 OK WOW 2PC
GRU
FARE F EUR 560.00
TX001 X EUR 35.00YQAC TX002 X EUR 125.00YQAD TX003 X EUR 5.25JDAE
TX004 X EUR 1.82QVDP TX005 X EUR 13.18YPAE TX006 X EUR 6.71PTSE
TX007 X EUR 18.40CVAE TX008 X EUR 16.50BRLO
TOTAL EUR 781.86


I just let your imagination go what else you can do with these kind of fares (visiting 3 different brazilian cities as long as you don't stay more than 24 hours in each one and so one...).

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: Abrelosojos
Posted 2009-12-26 10:10:21 and read 19309 times.



Quoting Reifel (Reply 20):
I found it again, however not from HAM. The cheapest option would be from MAD (LIS is the same rate, but hey: You get a flight more (MAD-LIS) if you take MAD as departure póint). The flight goes to GRU (you can go to FOR only, but it's the same rate as continuing to GRU).

But it's rather expensive:

Either One Way: Farebasis WOW for 560 EUR + Tax
Or Return: Farebasis BVREU for 559 EUR + Tax or WLVREU for 590 EUR + Tax. WLVREU is for low season.

And here is the routing out of Amadeus:
1 * MAD-IB/TP-LIS-VR-RAI-VR-SID-VR-FOR-G3/JJ-SAO
2 * MAD-IB/TP-LIS-VR-SID-VR-RAI-VR-FOR-G3/JJ-SAO

Sounds interesting? Smile I guess you will need a few overnight connecting stays on that trip...



Quoting Reifel (Reply 21):
I was curious and I tried to book a trip, In winter it seams that SID-FOR is not flown at all and RAI-FOR only on sundays. you will need to make an overnight at SID, therefore depart on Saturdays:

3 TP 715 M 13FEB 6 MADLIS HK2 2 1425 1440 319 E 0 M
4 VR 601 W 13FEB 6 LISSID HK2 1 1740 2040 757 E 0 L
5 VR4101 Y 14FEB 7 SIDRAI HK2 1240 1330 AT4 E 0
6 VR 660 W 14FEB 7 RAIFOR HK2 2130 2340 757 E 0 L
7 JJ3323 V 15FEB 1 FORGRU HK1 0008 0440 320 E 0

That would be the ticket. I priced it on Hahn Air (HR)-Stock since we are not allowed to issue on VR stock.

1.FD/FSDF 2.FDF/FDF
1 MAD TP 715 M 13FEB 1425 OK WOW 2PC
2 X LIS VR 601 W 13FEB 1740 OK WOW 20K
3 X SID VR 4101 Y 14FEB 1240 OK WOW 20K
4 X RAI VR 660 W 14FEB 2130 OK WOW 2PC
5 X FOR JJ 3323 V 15FEB 0008 OK WOW 2PC
GRU
FARE F EUR 560.00
TX001 X EUR 35.00YQAC TX002 X EUR 125.00YQAD TX003 X EUR 5.25JDAE
TX004 X EUR 1.82QVDP TX005 X EUR 13.18YPAE TX006 X EUR 6.71PTSE
TX007 X EUR 18.40CVAE TX008 X EUR 5.50BRLO
TOTAL EUR 770.86
GRAND TOTAL EUR 770.86
MAD TP X/LIS VR X/SID VR X/RAI VR X/FOR JJ SAO808.14NUC808.14EN
D ROE0.692944




Still not exotic enough. Well did you know that apaerently FOR-GRU does not to be direct. Like this routing for 11 EUR (just taxes) more?:

1.FD/FSDF 2.FDF/FDF
3 TP 715 M 13FEB 6 MADLIS HK1 2 1425 1440 319 E 0 M
SEE RTSVC
4 VR 601 W 13FEB 6 LISSID HK2 1 1740 2040 757 E 0 L
SEE RTSVC
5 VR4101 Y 14FEB 7 SIDRAI HK2 1240 1330 AT4 E 0
9/ NON-SMOKING
6 VR 660 W 14FEB 7 RAIFOR HK2 2130 2340 757 E 0 L
9/ NON-SMOKING
7 JJ3859 V 15FEB 1 FORSSA HK1 0600 0745 320 E 0
SEE RTSVC
8 JJ3304 V 15FEB 1 SSABSB HK1 0820 1110 320 E 0
SEE RTSVC
9 JJ3578 V 15FEB 1 BSBGRU HK1 1150 1325 320 E 0
SEE RTSVC
10 FV PAX HR/S3-9/P1-2


FXB/R,UP,VC-HR

1.FD/FSDF 2.FDF/FDF
1 MAD TP 715 M 13FEB 1425 OK WOW 2PC
2 X LIS VR 601 W 13FEB 1740 OK WOW 20K
3 X SID VR 4101 Y 14FEB 1240 OK WOW 20K
4 X RAI VR 660 W 14FEB 2130 OK WOW 2PC
5 X FOR JJ 3859 V 15FEB 0600 OK WOW 2PC
6 X SSA JJ 3304 V 15FEB 0820 OK WOW 2PC
7 X BSB JJ 3578 V 15FEB 1150 OK WOW 2PC
GRU
FARE F EUR 560.00
TX001 X EUR 35.00YQAC TX002 X EUR 125.00YQAD TX003 X EUR 5.25JDAE
TX004 X EUR 1.82QVDP TX005 X EUR 13.18YPAE TX006 X EUR 6.71PTSE
TX007 X EUR 18.40CVAE TX008 X EUR 16.50BRLO
TOTAL EUR 781.86


I just let your imagination go what else you can do with these kind of fares (visiting 3 different brazilian cities as long as you don't stay more than 24 hours in each one and so one...).



= I am going to PM you  Smile. I have a wonderful agent in Caracas ... but ... you could be my new favorite person when I am in Europe  Smile. Thanks for sharing these with us.

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: Taichen
Posted 2009-12-27 11:56:07 and read 19068 times.

Condor has always been a very "ethnic" German airline, flying the German vacation-goers almost anywhere in the world.

I think they have a fairly decent product, not LCC and quite good for a cahrter / leisure airline, and that they should try rebranding themselves as a reliable, European (ie not German-focused, even if their flights depart from Germany) leisure airline. Actually, they are now doing an interesting marketing campaign in Spain, introducing some of their new long haul destinations.

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: Reifel
Posted 2009-12-28 15:42:43 and read 18918 times.



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 22):

= I am going to PM you Smile. I have a wonderful agent in Caracas ... but ... you could be my new favorite person when I am in Europe Smile. Thanks for sharing these with us.

Sure, feel free to do so

Topic: RE: Condor DE 5303: 20/SEP/09: SEZ-FRA: Y Cabin
Username: LACA773
Posted 2010-01-07 04:39:15 and read 18384 times.

Happy New Years, Alex!
Thanks for another wonderful TR. I'm always looking for your's  smile .

Since Thomas Cook took DE over, you can see the quality of the meals is no longer that of LH.
The seats look like what Thomas Cook has put in all their planes. Actually, that material looks like it was taken from a massive roll of t-shirt fabric.

Saludos,
LACA773
Jeb


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