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Topic: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2010-12-02 10:33:39 and read 32767 times.



Background
Fifth Freedom is a magic term in aviation enthusiast circles. Fifth Freedom enables us to fly on airlines without having to travel all the way to their home countries. One of the various non-European airlines with traffic rights between some European cities is Kuwait Airways. I had been interested in the carrier and its operations between Franfurt and Geneva (A340-300) and between Rome and Paris (A300-600) for a long time. By the end of May I finally decided to book a flight on one of these routes. It soon turned out that flying times and fares were most attractive on the Rome-Paris run. Getting on the A300-600 was not a priority, but of course I wasn't unhappy about another ride on that meanwhile classic and more or less rare bird.

The next task was to find attractive flights to Rome and from Paris. One-way fares to Rome were insanely expensive, but I soon discovered a reasonably priced MUC-FCO-MUC round trip on Alitalia, operated by an Air One CityLiner CRJ900. In order to avoid fare increases and booking fees I quickly bought the tickets on Expedia and then started searching for a hotel and interesting return flight options. Kuwait Airways would be my 98th airline and Air One CityLiner would be my 99th, so of course I tried to complete my itinerary with airline No. 100. Some days later, after checking countless return flight options, I booked a room at the Ibis CDG Terminal hotel and three more segments on three different airlines (details to follow in the next part).




Saturday, 17 July 2010
Munich (MUC) - Rome (FCO)
Alitalia AZ437, operated by Air One CityLiner

11:50-13:25 (11:56-13:27)
Flying time: 01:05 (hrs)
Economy Class, Seat 24A

Bombardier CRJ900ER
EI-DVP (MSN 15116)
Delivered in 03/2007


1st flight on EI-DVP
2nd CRJ900 flight
7th CRJ flight
98th airline



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Checking in online hadn't been possible on Alitalia's website, so I went to the airport in due time. Two hours prior to departure I arrived at the Terminal 1 SkyTeam check-in area which was crowded at usual. I tried my luck with a check-in kiosk and was happy that my Alitalia reservation code had been accepted without problems. I selected seat 24A, printed the boarding pass and went to the southern end of the gate area for spotting.

EI-DVP, one of ten CRJ900s in the fleet, arrived on time and boarding commenced soon. As usual I left the bus last so that I would have enough time to take pictures:







One flight attendant welcomed me with a smile, the other one wasn't really friendly. The leather seats were comfortable...



...and legroom was quite generous:



Unfortunately, it started raining again...the plane next to us was a Brit Air CRJ100:



The flight was packed and only a handful of seats remained empty. The aisle seat next to me didn't belong to those, but at least it was taken by a friendly mid aged lady. One of the flight attendants told the people in the last row that the seats wouldn't recline and offered them to move elsewhere. Nice gesture - but many a.netters would decline, of course.  Wink

During taxi the captain announced that we would be number six for takeoff. Almost 20 minutes after leaving the parking position we finally took off from runway 26L. It was still raining, so it didn't make sense to take any pictures.

Shortly after we had reached cruising altitude it was time for a cabin shot:



The flight attendants soon started serving drinks and snacks. I ordered an orange juice and got a tasty blood orange juice as well as good cookies. In addition, the flight attendants handed out Air One-branded wet towels and napkins with Alitalia logo:



Nice Italian weather:



We touched down after a flying time of only 1 hour and 5 minutes and arrived at our Terminal 1 remote parking position two minutes behind schedule. Alitalia A321-100:




Transfer at Rome-Fiumicino
After a short bus ride to the terminal I immediately had a look at the next available arrivals screen. I was glad to see that KU165 from Kuwait would arrive on time and went to the carrier's check-in counters. However, as expected, checking in wasn't possible until two hours prior to departure. So I went to a food court and discovered tables and seats at a glass front wherefrom I could enjoy nice views of various terminal and apron areas and runway 07/25 in particular.

After writing down registrations for a while, a man in the 40s sat down next to me and asked if I was a plane spotter. I confirmed and we started talking. He turned out to be a German tour guide who was waiting for the arrival of a new tourist group. I was amazed to hear about his countless tours to countries around the world - and he was surprised to hear about my systematic hunt for airlines and aircraft types. Interestingly, he told me that he actually didn't enjoy flying. Anyway, we had a nice chat about our flight experiences until I had to return to the check-in counters.




Saturday, 17 July 2010
Rome (FCO) - Paris (CDG)
Kuwait Airways KU165
16:55-19:05 (17:08-19:10)
Flying time: 01:36 (hrs)
Economy Class, Seat 30K

Airbus A300-605R
9K-AMA (MSN 673), named "Failaka"
Built in 11/1992 and delivered in 05/1993


1st flight on 9K-AMA
4th A300-600 flight
4th A300 flight
99th airline



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Only few people were waiting in line in front of the Kuwait Airways check-in counters. I had already reserved my window seat on KU's website, so there was no reason for concern. Some minutes later a friendly agent handed out the boarding pass to me and I headed to Terminal 3 (west satellite), using a sky-bridge train.

The building, opened as Terminal C in 1999, is quite nice and roomy, but the windows are horrible from a photographer's point of view. The glass is colored and dirty - and the bright sun didn't help either. Anyway, the terminal is fine for spotting and I enjoyed the great variety of airlines and aircraft. I logged 29 new registrations between arrival and departure. Some interesting visitors are visible on this picture: Blue Air 737-400, Yemenia A330-200 and Air Transat A310 (hard to see):



Finally the object of desire arrived - and I was pleased to see it was 9K-AMA, the first of five A300-600s delivered to Kuwait Airways:



The plane seemed to be in immaculate condition, I didn't see a single spot of dirt:







Only two or three dozens of people were waiting in the gate area - but soon I would find out that the Paris-bound travellers had to stay on board during the stopover. After the boarding pass check and an additional bag search by security staff I walked down the jetway and was wondering what to expect in the cabin...a friendly flight attendant welcomed me at the door, another one didn't even look at me. I was still hoping to find a mostly empty cabin, but after a few steps I realized that the flight would be packed: most seats were already occupied by Paris-bound passengers. There were numerous families among them and I guess most travellers were from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka. What I also realized was a bad smell in the cabin - and some people hanging around in the aisle certainly contributed to that.  Embarrassment

The plane's interior in general looked a bit worn and I was surprised to find thick leather seats - however, those were quite comfortable, at least for the next two hours:



Legroom was quite good, the IFE box didn't bother me:


An empty cup and a snack packaging were still stuck in my seat pocket (see above) - I quickly handed that out to a flight attendant who took it with a shamefaced expression and said sorry. It's not nice to find trash at your seat, but I understand that it's not easy to clean a cabin with most seats occupied.

I wasn’t surprised to find individual screens on the A300 because I had read about it a long time ago. Kuwait Airways actually belongs to the PTV pioneers. However, these models are outdated and worn out:



Welcome screen:



I had a look at the inflight magazine and discovered a nice page with seat maps...



...and detailed fleet information - including delivery dates. Can you identify two mistakes here?


What I also found interesting was "The Kuwait Airways Story" on another page, a text about the company's history. Most of it seemed to be fine, but one sentence in the second last paragraph made me smile:

"...KAC's fleet comprises: three A320-200s, three A310-300s, five A300-605Rs, four A340-200s and two B777s, all equipped with the latest entertainment systems." No more comments necessary...  Wink

After boarding had been completed, the air conditioning suddenly stopped working. It was quite warm in the cabin and I was glad when it was switched on again after a short while. I was expecting an immediate pushback now, but instead, the whole power supply was suddenly gone. Lights, PTVs, air conditioning, everything was inoperative. Two flight attendants looked at each other with surprised faces, one of them asked: "What's happening?"  eyebrow 

I don't know exactly whether that situation lasted a minute, two or more, but it was enough to raise some concerns - not about safety, but my itinerary. I knew that a delay wouldn't be a big problem, because I would spend the night at Paris - but I was a bit afraid of the consequences of a possible cancellation.  irked 
Anyway, I was soon relieved when the power supply was restored and one of the pilots announced "Prepare for immediate departure!".  thumbsup 

9K-AMA was finally pushed back 13 minutes behind schedule. Qatar Airways A330-300 in the distance:



We taxied to runway 25, so I could log a few more registrations. Livingston was still operating back in July:



16 minutes after leaving the gate the plane rolled onto the runway and accelerated. Unfortunately, takeoff was not as powerful as expected. I hadn't been on an A300 or A310 for a while, so it was interesting to note how loud the plane was during climbout. Nice scenery:









Ten minutes after takoff we were passing the peninsula of Monte Argentario:



I soon found out that the IFE system was mostly inoperative, only the airshow channel was available. Headphones weren't available either. However, I wouldn't have watched anything else anyway.





Direction of Mecca:



Before the flight attendants started the meal service I had found a menu card in the seat pocket:



Prior to the trip I had already read on KU's website that a hot meal would be served on this flight. But would they offer a choice of three different main courses? No way. This menu card showed the options which had been available on the KWI-FCO sector:



Actually I didn't have a choice at all. But the tray looks quite promising, doesn't it?



I wasn't sure what to think about the main course at first...


...however, all the hot items - meat balls, fried fish filet and so-called samosas (filled pastry) - were quite tasty. I only missed a sauce or a dip. The sandwich, stuffed with a tuna, corn and onion cream, as well as the piece of cake tasted good, too. I cannot complain about the food, but I didn't like the tea with its taste of chlorine.

After dinner it was time for a cabin shot. I didn't see an empty seat in Economy Class:


Before returning to my seat I also checked one of the lavatories. The interior was a bit worn, just like the cabin, but it had been kept clean. Unfortunately, I almost burned my hands under the water tap...so be careful when you fly on that bird.  Wink

Beautiful Alpine scenery:





The rest of the flight passed by without anything significant happening. The plane started descending less than 1.5 hours after takeoff:



TGV:



9K-AMA touched down after a flying time of 1 hour and 36 minutes...



...and arrived at the Terminal 1 gate 10 minutes behind schedule. Parked next to us was TAM A330-200 PT-MVN in special colors:



I remained seated until most other people had left and then took some more cabin pictures:





After leaving the jetway I tried to get a decent exterior picture of the plane which hadn't been possible at Rome. Again the window reflection presented a real problem. However, as soon as I had taken a picture, a female airport employee approached me and advised me that it's not allowed to take pictures...  Yeah sure
Of course I had been aware of that ridiculous rule at CDG Airport, but I had hoped that nobody would see me taking pictures. Anyway, here's the result - not perfect, but still acceptable:


After arriving in the main building, I went outside, logged a few more registrations, had dinner and finally took the CDGVAL train to the Terminal 3/Roissypole station. From there it was just a short walk to the hotel.


Ibis CDG Terminal
I had chosen the hotel due to location and price and my expectations hadn't been very high after reading certain reviews. However, I was soon positively surprised. A very friendly receptionist welcomed me and gladly accepted my request for a room with apron/runway view. The room itself was small, but contemporary furnished and clean...





...and I could enjoy great views:


Of course I kept logging registrations until it became dark. And guess what I did in the morning before having breakfast...Story to be continued.



Conclusion
Flying on Kuwait Airways' A300-600 within Europe was a real pleasure. It's just a matter of time until that carrier will replace these classic birds - and who knows how long it will keep flying between European cities. Of course, seating and IFE on these A300s are not on par with other Gulf carriers' offerings, but that doesn't matter on such a short hop. The cabin hadn't been cleaned well at Rome, but one needs to consider that the Paris-bound passengers weren't allowed to leave the aircraft. I cannot complain about the meal service - getting such a big and tasty meal on a 1.5 hours flight is certainly impressive. Some flight attendants were friendly and knew how to smile, others were quite the opposite. But you meet grumpy crew members on many carriers. Would I choose Kuwait Airways for a long-haul trip? Yes - after the introduction of new aircraft or refurbished cabins.

There's not much to say about the Air One CityLiner flight. Clean cabin, comfortable seating, decent service - what else can you ask for on such a short hop?


Best Regards,
PlaneHunter



P.S.: Just in case you missed them - my previous trip reports:
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Guernsey, Ash Cloud Alarm & Mostly Empty SQ 77Ws
Totally Thrilling: Scenic Flight On Lufthansa A380
Cirrus D38, Adria CRJ & Captain Niki Lauda On Duty
Monarch Hot Meal, E195 & More: PMI-ALC-MAN-MUC
Premium Meal & Palma Spotting: MUC-PMI, DE 757-300
The Dead Slow Transfer: PEK-MUC On Air China A332
Cancellation Brings Joy: HKG-PEK on Dragonair A330
A380 Cacophony, 777 Star Livery: DXB-SIN-HKG on SQ
The Next 5* Carrier? MUC-MCT-DXB, Oman Air A330
Turkey For 1.5 Hrs: Daytrip To AYT On Sky Airlines
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Riding The Ultra Long-Haul Twin: Delta 777-200LR
Pacific Coast Jaunt: 3 Carriers, E120, E140 & Fog
The Ultimate 737: LHR-IAH-PDX On CO 777 & 739ER
Bye Bye, Hell! TRD-OSL-TXL-NUE - DY/AB/HE DH4
My Trip To Hell: NUE-CPH-OSL-TRD On Cimber & SAS
SFO-YUL-FRA: Map- & Sleepless On Air Canada's 77W
Sin City Gloss & Virgin America's Chic First Class
Seat Dilemma & Canyon Glamour: FRA To LAX, AC 763
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[Edited 2010-12-02 11:11:04]

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: Luxair747SP
Posted 2010-12-02 10:47:24 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH excellent TR
Kuwait airways doesnt look bad at all even the planes are not factory fresh anymore .
But the meal is perfect for a 90 min hop, when you think what the europeans serve on these routes.
Really enjoyed reading it
Thanks for sharing
Rgds
Johannes

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2010-12-02 10:56:02 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 1):
Hi PH excellent TR
Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 1):
Really enjoyed reading it

Hi Johannes, thanks a lot for your comments!

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 1):
But the meal is perfect for a 90 min hop, when you think what the europeans serve on these routes.

  


PH

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: airbuseric
Posted 2010-12-02 11:01:50 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

thanks for this report. It was a while ago already that you flew. I noticed these flights are also operated by their A340-300's regularly. I must admit, I checked schedules for these services a lot of times, but somehow never booked it. But another ride on the A300 would surely be a welcome thing. I'm not surprised by the generous meal. I had similar experience on SV, and we also know PK and AT are generous. My compliments for the photos once again. Crisp and clear, that's how to do it  

CRJ-900 seats look almost identical to LH seats on the CRJ's. I always found these CRJ700/900 aircraft offering good legroom. Nice airline to fly with though, something different.

Regards
Eric

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: MD11Bob
Posted 2010-12-02 11:02:38 and read 32767 times.

Hey PH,

thanks a lot for posting this report, that route / airline combination definiately looks interesting. I am suprised about that food offering, looks great for such a short flight. And catching the A300 nowadays is always great (it is my favorite Airbus actually).

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I soon found out that the IFE system was mostly inoperative, only the airshow channel was available.

Well, that is the most important channel anyway, isn´t it?  

Robert

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: akhmad
Posted 2010-12-02 11:16:25 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

What a pleasant surprise to find this report of yours after getting home during this snowy weather.

I was wondering how KU European fifth freedom service would look like. Thanks a lot for bringing it up in such entertaining way. You make me feel I was there with you.

The non-EU airlines seem to know how to treat their passengers on their intra European flights. The meal looks yummy.

Oh, how I miss the sunny summertime.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
However, as soon as I had taken a picture, a female airport employee approached me and advised me that it's not allowed to take pictures...

That is disgusting.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Ibis CDG Terminal

Ah, nice memories!

Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,
Suryo

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2010-12-02 11:22:01 and read 32767 times.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 3):
thanks for this report. It was a while ago already that you flew.

Hi Eric, thanks for your feedback! I know, the report was long overdue.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 3):
I noticed these flights are also operated by their A340-300's regularly.

Interesting, I didn't notice that.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 3):
My compliments for the photos once again. Crisp and clear, that's how to do it

Many thanks. But I'm still not entirely satisfied with the camera.

Quoting MD11Bob (Reply 4):
thanks a lot for posting this report, that route / airline combination definiately looks interesting.

Hi Robert, good to hear you liked it!

Quoting MD11Bob (Reply 4):
And catching the A300 nowadays is always great (it is my favorite Airbus actually).

Yes, it has become very rare in Europe.

Quoting MD11Bob (Reply 4):
Well, that is the most important channel anyway, isn´t it?

  

Quoting akhmad (Reply 5):
What a pleasant surprise to find this report of yours after getting home during this snowy weather.

I was wondering how KU European fifth freedom service would look like. Thanks a lot for bringing it up in such entertaining way. You make me feel I was there with you.

Hi Suryo, thanks for the kind words! I'm glad you liked it.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 5):
Oh, how I miss the sunny summertime.

I don't mind about the winter and cold weather in general, but I don't like all the snow on the roads...


PH

[Edited 2010-12-02 11:23:17]

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: FLIEGER67
Posted 2010-12-02 11:35:38 and read 32767 times.

Hi, PH,

what a good idea to catch the KU A300 on this intra european sector.
Something what I try also, but dont fixed it till now.
Also a nice catch, the Airone Cityliner CRJ900, not often seen here in Germany.
Really well done pictures, as usual.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Nice gesture - but many a.netters would decline, of course.

A.netters declining the last row, now that´s something new for me

 

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2010-12-02 11:46:39 and read 32767 times.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 7):
what a good idea to catch the KU A300 on this intra european sector.
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 7):
Really well done pictures, as usual.

Hi Markus, thanks for your feedback!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 7):
A.netters declining the last row, now that´s something new for me

Well, certain a.netters would decline to move elsewhere...


PH

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: BZNPilot
Posted 2010-12-02 12:35:59 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

Great report! Nice to hear about this relatively unique airline and the increasingly uncommon A300. Great photos as well, especially those while inflight over the Alps. The meal certainly looks nice, especially for a short flight. Although I was a bit surprised at how the food looked once the foil was peeled back; looked tasty nonetheless.

Thanks for sharing!

BZNPilot

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2010-12-02 12:41:40 and read 32767 times.

Quoting BZNPilot (Reply 9):
Great report! Nice to hear about this relatively unique airline and the increasingly uncommon A300. Great photos as well, especially those while inflight over the Alps.

Thanks a lot, BZNPilot! Good to hear you liked it!

Quoting BZNPilot (Reply 9):
Although I was a bit surprised at how the food looked once the foil was peeled back;

Yes, my thoughts exactly!


PH

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: flightsimboy
Posted 2010-12-02 13:06:44 and read 32767 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I had read about it a long time ago. Kuwait Airways actually belongs to the PTV pioneers.

They indeed were....Back in 1996 and 1997 their A340s were all equipped with the seat back videos. Sometime soon I need to do a trip report of those flights taken back then.

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2010-12-02 13:49:11 and read 32767 times.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 11):
They indeed were....Back in 1996 and 1997 their A340s were all equipped with the seat back videos.

As far as I know the A300s and A310s already had PTVs before the A340s joined the fleet.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 11):
Sometime soon I need to do a trip report of those flights taken back then.

Would be nice!


PH

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: NZ107
Posted 2010-12-02 15:20:31 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

Another great report, thanks for sharing. I don't think anyone can get sick of these 5th freedom flights!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Unfortunately, it started raining again

At least you were onboard! The CR9 looks quite nice to fly in.. How do you rate it against the likes of the E-Jets and others?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Only two or three dozens of people were waiting in the gate area - but soon I would find out that the Paris-bound travellers had to stay on board during the stopover. After the boarding pass check and an additional bag search by security staff I walked down the jetway and was wondering what to expect in the cabin...a friendly flight attendant welcomed me at the door, another one didn't even look at me. I was still hoping to find a mostly empty cabin, but after a few steps I realized that the flight would be packed: most seats were already occupied by Paris-bound passengers. There were numerous families among them and I guess most travellers were from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka. What I also realized was a bad smell in the cabin - and some people hanging around in the aisle certainly contributed to that.

Interesting boarding experience! It must have felt strange boarding with so few but then to walk into a whole load of people. The smell would have probably put me off the flight.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The plane's interior in general looked a bit worn and I was surprised to find thick leather seats - however, those were quite comfortable, at least for the next two hours:

They do look comfortable, much nicer than the slimline seats around these days.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
...and detailed fleet information - including delivery dates. Can you identify two mistakes here?

ANC could have been delivered before ANA   And 777-200 Gross Weight sounds pretty funny! Does that in itself (not being a mistake) signify a normal 772?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
"...KAC's fleet comprises: three A320-200s, three A310-300s, five A300-605Rs, four A340-200s and two B777s, all equipped with the latest entertainment systems." No more comments necessary...

Haha, latest entertainment systems. How old is the article.. Interesting to see that they were pioneers in the PTV world - it'd be nice to see an upgrade because this day and age calls for a much more sophisticated system, let alone a slightly bigger screen. I don't think you can do much with that screen regardless what content is given!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
...however, all the hot items - meat balls, fried fish filet and so-called samosas (filled pastry) - were quite tasty. I only missed a sauce or a dip. The sandwich, stuffed with a tuna, corn and onion cream, as well as the piece of cake tasted good, too. I cannot complain about the food, but I didn't like the tea with its taste of chlorine.

Food looks nice. A shame that they have to serve chlorinated water though.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Of course I had been aware of that ridiculous rule at CDG Airport, but I had hoped that nobody would see me taking pictures. Anyway, here's the result - not perfect, but still acceptable:

Why on earth does CDG do this? Remind me to take a point and shoot to Europe when I eventually get there.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Would I choose Kuwait Airways for a long-haul trip? Yes - after the introduction of new aircraft or refurbished cabins.

Does sound promising indeed, if they were in a position to do this.


Thanks again for this most interesting report. I haven't been on an A300 and I can't recall seeing one in person either. I wonder if they'll still be operating by the time I get to an area where they still fly them.


Cheers,
Nicholas

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: FlyKev
Posted 2010-12-02 16:15:50 and read 32767 times.

Thanks for sharing another unusual flight!
For such a short flight, they certainly seem to offer a substantial meal; quite impressive.

I look forward to your next report.

kev.

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: 767747
Posted 2010-12-02 17:58:15 and read 32767 times.

Thanks for sharing, PlaneHunter! What a great report!

How nice you got to fly on a A300-600, have a good meal (very substantial for the flight time) and have a beautiful flying day for it!

I remember flying on an LH A300-600 from FRA-TXL back in 2003, I really enjoyed flying on it. It felt really huge inside!

Looking forward to your next report!

Matthew (767747)

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: aflyingkiwi
Posted 2010-12-02 19:03:04 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH

Looks like you had a great experience with Kuwait Airways and the A300-600, definately a rare bird nowadays. The meal on the flight looks good considering that pretty much no airline in Europe serves hot meal's for intra-europe flights now (I think LH is the exception?).

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I wasn’t surprised to find individual screens on the A300 because I had read about it a long time ago. Kuwait Airways actually belongs to the PTV pioneers. However, these models are outdated and worn out:

Wow, those screens are tiny, but at least they have PTV's

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I was expecting an immediate pushback now, but instead, the whole power supply was suddenly gone. Lights, PTVs, air conditioning, everything was inoperative. Two flight attendants looked at each other with surprised faces, one of them asked: "What's happening?"

That must have been a heart stopping moment.

Regards
aflyingkiwi

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: a340crew
Posted 2010-12-02 21:38:02 and read 32767 times.

Did AirOne offer complementary drinks and snack? I flew AirOne in May from MXP-TIA on an Airbus and everything was for sale including food and drinks, nothing complementary. Do you know when they changed this?

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: oa260
Posted 2010-12-02 21:45:28 and read 32767 times.

Hey great report and rare. Id love to try out KU again sometime myself. The A300 looks quite good for its age and pleasant interior. The meal not bad but your right a sauce would be good with it, looks quite dry.

Thanks for the report.

OA260

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: globetraveller
Posted 2010-12-02 22:06:45 and read 32767 times.

Another great trip report PlaneHunter!

Fifth freedom flights as always such a joy, just as you mentioned at the beginning of your trip report. All your pictures and detail meant that we can enjoy this great experience with you.

Excellent pictures and interesting commentary. Thank you for all your efforts as always.

Globetraveller

PS: I finally remembered Facebook! Sorry!!

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2010-12-02 23:40:21 and read 32767 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
Another great report, thanks for sharing.
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
Thanks again for this most interesting report.

Hi Nicholas, thanks a lot for your feedback!

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
I don't think anyone can get sick of these 5th freedom flights!

  

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
At least you were onboard!

Yes, much better than at BNE recently...  
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
How do you rate it against the likes of the E-Jets and others?

The CRJ700/900s are really nice aircraft, but I prefer the E-Jets (cabin, takeoff power etc.)

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
The smell would have probably put me off the flight.

Well, I didn't have a choice...

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
ANC could have been delivered before ANA

Well, I'm not sure about the accuracy of the dates. Some of them don't accord with the entries on ATDB. Probably KU listed the handover dates or anything else. No, I meant two more obvious mistakes...

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
And 777-200 Gross Weight sounds pretty funny! Does that in itself (not being a mistake) signify a normal 772?

...and this is one of them. It should be 777-200IGW for "Increased Gross Weight" aka 777-200ER. And the other one...?

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
How old is the article..

Proabably several years...

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
Why on earth does CDG do this?

Who knows. It's ridiculous.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
I haven't been on an A300 and I can't recall seeing one in person either. I wonder if they'll still be operating by the time I get to an area where they still fly them.

How about a trip to Japan or Thailand? Well, the question is how long both JL and TG keep operating them.

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 14):
Thanks for sharing another unusual flight!

Thanks, Kev!

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 14):
I look forward to your next report.

I'll soon start working on it.

Quoting 767747 (Reply 15):
Thanks for sharing, PlaneHunter! What a great report!

Hi Matthew, thanks for your comments!

Quoting 767747 (Reply 15):
I remember flying on an LH A300-600 from FRA-TXL back in 2003, I really enjoyed flying on it. It felt really huge inside!

Yes, they're nice birds, just like the A310s. But they're getting old...

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 16):
Looks like you had a great experience with Kuwait Airways and the A300-600, definately a rare bird nowadays.

No doubts about that, aflyingkiwi!

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 16):
The meal on the flight looks good considering that pretty much no airline in Europe serves hot meal's for intra-europe flights now (I think LH is the exception?).

I think there are a few others, too. However, you only get hot meals on the longer sectors (at least two hours and more) - and it depends on the time of departure.

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 16):
That must have been a heart stopping moment.

  

Quoting a340crew (Reply 17):
Did AirOne offer complementary drinks and snack?

Yes.

Quoting a340crew (Reply 17):
I flew AirOne in May from MXP-TIA on an Airbus and everything was for sale including food and drinks, nothing complementary. Do you know when they changed this?

Interesting - probably that has changed after the merger with AZ?

Quoting oa260 (Reply 18):
Hey great report and rare.

Thanks, Phil! Good to hear you liked it.

Quoting oa260 (Reply 18):
The A300 looks quite good for its age and pleasant interior.

Yes, I was surprised about the spotless exterior.

Quoting oa260 (Reply 18):
The meal not bad but your right a sauce would be good with it, looks quite dry.

It was a bit dry indeed.

Quoting globetraveller (Reply 19):
Another great trip report PlaneHunter!
Quoting globetraveller (Reply 19):
All your pictures and detail meant that we can enjoy this great experience with you.

Excellent pictures and interesting commentary. Thank you for all your efforts as always.

Hi Globetraveller, many thanks for your comments. Good to hear from you!

Quoting globetraveller (Reply 19):
PS: I finally remembered Facebook! Sorry!!

No worries!


PH

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: BA319-131
Posted 2010-12-03 01:14:13 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

Nice report and pictures, thanks for sharing.

I too have looked at taking the KU AB6 service, though when I last looked it was CDG-GVA, the late arrival in GVA resulted in an overnight stay, something I wanted to avoid, however this route might just work, I'll see.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
After leaving the jetway I tried to get a decent exterior picture of the plane which hadn't been possible at Rome. Again the window reflection presented a real problem. However, as soon as I had taken a picture, a female airport employee approached me and advised me that it's not allowed to take pictures...
Of course I had been aware of that ridiculous rule at CDG Airport, but I had hoped that nobody would see me taking pictures. Anyway, here's the result - not perfect, but still acceptable:

- Funny how passengers can snap away when looking at an A380..................

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I kept logging registrations until it became dark. And guess what I did in the morning before having breakfast...

- Same aas I would have done  

All in all both flights looked pretty good though the KU is the special one of the day.

Cheers

Marj

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2010-12-03 01:32:20 and read 32767 times.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 21):
Nice report and pictures, thanks for sharing.

Hi Mark, thanks for your comments!

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 21):
I too have looked at taking the KU AB6 service, though when I last looked it was CDG-GVA, the late arrival in GVA resulted in an overnight stay, something I wanted to avoid, however this route might just work, I'll see.

Interesting, I didn't know that KU also operates between CDG and GVA.


PH

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: BA319-131
Posted 2010-12-03 02:23:32 and read 32767 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 22):
Interesting, I didn't know that KU also operates between CDG and GVA.

- I think this got dropped.,

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: AI151
Posted 2010-12-03 02:30:02 and read 32767 times.

Hey PH, yet another fab TR which brought my memories back from my KU experience albeit on a longer sector and a great read as well.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
As usual I left the bus last so that I would have enough time to take pictures:

I have to love how laid back MUC is for taking pictures whether it be from the terminal or on the apron. Especially compared to how it was upon landing at CDG.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
.a friendly flight attendant welcomed me at the door, another one didn't even look at me.

At least you got a welcome compared to what I got.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
...however, all the hot items - meat balls, fried fish filet and so-called samosas (filled pastry) - were quite tasty. I only missed a sauce or a dip. The sandwich, stuffed with a tuna, corn and onion cream, as well as the piece of cake tasted good, too.

For a short European sector, that was a generous meal for sure. That was similar to what I got prior to landing in New York which filled me up until dinner time.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Of course I kept logging registrations until it became dark. And guess what I did in the morning before having breakfast...Story to be continued.

Let me guess....more logging registrations maybe? LOL! Looking forward to reading the next part and to see if you managed to get your 100th airline.

Sandeep (AI151)

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2010-12-03 02:50:46 and read 32767 times.

Quoting AI151 (Reply 24):
Hey PH, yet another fab TR which brought my memories back from my KU experience albeit on a longer sector and a great read as well.

Hi Sandeep, many thanks for your reply! Yes, I remember your nice KU report.

Quoting AI151 (Reply 24):
I have to love how laid back MUC is for taking pictures whether it be from the terminal or on the apron.

I think it's similar everywhere in Germany.

Quoting AI151 (Reply 24):
Let me guess....more logging registrations maybe?

How did you know that?  

Quoting AI151 (Reply 24):
Looking forward to reading the next part and to see if you managed to get your 100th airline.

I hope it will be online soon.


PH

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: debonair
Posted 2010-12-03 12:08:38 and read 32767 times.

Great TR as always! I did the same on the A340 from FRA to GVA...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I cannot complain about the meal service



Yeap! Catering is always OUTSTANDING on KU!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I was still hoping to find a mostly empty cabin, but after a few steps I realized that the flight would be packed: most seats were already occupied by Paris-bound passengers. There were numerous families among them and I guess most travellers were from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka.



FRA-GVA I think we were araound 30 or less passengers, 3 people checked in ex FRA!

One thing I was missing, KU was the only airline in the world, offering complimentary "sanitary towels" for ladies in KU design. A MUST have seen! Did you missed it?!

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2010-12-03 12:19:58 and read 32767 times.

Quoting debonair (Reply 26):
Great TR as always!

Many thanks, debonair!

Quoting debonair (Reply 26):
I did the same on the A340 from FRA to GVA...

Good choice! How was the interior on the A340 compared to the A300?

Quoting debonair (Reply 26):
Yeap! Catering is always OUTSTANDING on KU!

I'll keep that in mind. What did they serve on the FRA-GVA hop?

Quoting debonair (Reply 26):
FRA-GVA I think we were araound 30 or less passengers, 3 people checked in ex FRA!

Wow, I had been hoping for such a light load...

Quoting debonair (Reply 26):
One thing I was missing, KU was the only airline in the world, offering complimentary "sanitary towels" for ladies in KU design. A MUST have seen! Did you missed it?!

No, I didn't notice that.


PH

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: debonair
Posted 2010-12-04 01:51:40 and read 32354 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 27):
What did they serve on the FRA-GVA hop?

A small, light snack with full bar service. very nice!

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: Contact Air
Posted 2010-12-04 12:03:37 and read 31996 times.

Hi PH,

Great report and lots of excellent pictures of this special European trip. As you mentioned, these Fifth Freedom flights are always something special.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Getting on the A300-600 was not a priority, but of course I wasn't unhappy about another ride on that meanwhile classic and more or less rare bird.

Yes, the A300-600 has become rare on European airports since LH phased out this type.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I ordered an orange juice and got a tasty blood orange juice as well as good cookies.

I remember this juice from my flights on AZ - probably the best orange juice I ever got on a plane.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
In addition, the flight attendants handed out Air One-branded wet towels and napkins with Alitalia logo:

Nice mixture - so the passengers get in touch with both brands.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Prior to the trip I had already read on KU's website that a hot meal would be served on this flight.

Impressive for such a short flight.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
However, as soon as I had taken a picture, a female airport employee approached me and advised me that it's not allowed to take pictures...
Of course I had been aware of that ridiculous rule at CDG Airport, but I had hoped that nobody would see me taking pictures.

So this ridiculous "no-photo-rule" at CDG is still there? I had hoped it might have been gone with the time...

Regards
Christoph

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2010-12-04 12:10:23 and read 31982 times.

Quoting debonair (Reply 28):
A small, light snack with full bar service. very nice!

That doesn't sound bad. But KU is still a dry airline, isn't it?

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 29):
Great report and lots of excellent pictures of this special European trip. As you mentioned, these Fifth Freedom flights are always something special.

Hi Christoph, thanks a lot for your comments!

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 29):
I remember this juice from my flights on AZ - probably the best orange juice I ever got on a plane.

Yes, I have to agree.

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 29):
So this ridiculous "no-photo-rule" at CDG is still there? I had hoped it might have been gone with the time...

I had been hoping that, too. It's a shame that such a rule exists in the EU.


PH

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: ensiferum
Posted 2010-12-04 14:53:59 and read 31886 times.

Why?

Why are your Trip Reports so awesome?

I enjoy reading/seeing them all  

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: AlwaysOnAPlane
Posted 2010-12-04 15:51:39 and read 31832 times.

Hi PH.

Very interesting to see your write up about KU. Nice to see a less featured Airline and Aircraft in the same write up.

I quite like the CRJ-900. More so than the -200, the windows are just too low on them (if thats a valid reason not to like an aircraft?)




Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
...and legroom was quite generous:

Yea looks not bad really

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The flight attendants soon started serving drinks and snacks. I ordered an orange juice and got a tasty blood orange juice as well as good cookies. In addition, the flight attendants handed out Air One-branded wet towels and napkins with Alitalia logo:

Nice touch.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Interestingly, he told me that he actually didn't enjoy flying.

Ah, the irony.


Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The plane's interior in general looked a bit worn and I was surprised to find thick leather seats - however, those were quite comfortable, at least for the next two hours:

These old well worn seats i have always found to be so much better than the new super light/thin ones we see so much these days.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Kuwait Airways actually belongs to the PTV pioneers. However, these models are outdated and worn out:

Interesting fact. Yea, so very small but no doubt cutting edge in their early days.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I wasn't sure what to think about the main course at first...

Yes, looks somewhat lacking with no sauce. Im sure it tasted good though.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Beautiful Alpine scenery:

No comment needed  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
..and I could enjoy great views:

Always good from the comfort of a hotel room.


Cheers, Lee

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: N178UA
Posted 2010-12-04 17:06:36 and read 31786 times.

Hi Planehunter!

Great Trip Report! Really enjoy reading and those pictures.

Believe me or not, I am dieing to fly Kuwait Airways. Roni can testify my desire and desperation haha  

The A300 looks fab with leather seats and PTV. Serving a full meal on European flight make KU extremely generous, or the director haven't had a review on cost cutting for ages  

Congratulations now that you've flown KU!

Did you get a chace to see what F or C class looks like. Certainly a unique 3-class A300!

Cheers
Sam

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2010-12-04 23:19:42 and read 31577 times.

Quoting ensiferum (Reply 31):
Why?

Why are your Trip Reports so awesome?

I enjoy reading/seeing them all

Thanks so much for your kind words! I'm glad you like them. As for your question: Well, I invest lots of time in composing these reports and try to focus on the essentials.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Reply 32):
Very interesting to see your write up about KU. Nice to see a less featured Airline and Aircraft in the same write up.

Hi Lee, many thanks for your feedback!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Reply 32):
I quite like the CRJ-900. More so than the -200, the windows are just too low on them (if thats a valid reason not to like an aircraft?)

Yes, that's a very good reason.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Reply 32):
Ah, the irony.

I was thinking that, too...

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Reply 32):
These old well worn seats i have always found to be so much better than the new super light/thin ones we see so much these days.

I can only agree. Many of these modern seat types are too hard cushioned.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Reply 32):
Always good from the comfort of a hotel room.

  

Quoting N178UA (Reply 33):
Hi Planehunter!

Great Trip Report! Really enjoy reading and those pictures.
Quoting N178UA (Reply 33):
Congratulations now that you've flown KU!

Hi Sam, thanks a lot for your reply! I'm glad you enjoyed reading.

Quoting N178UA (Reply 33):
Believe me or not, I am dieing to fly Kuwait Airways.

I know what you mean, I had been very excited about the KU flight, too. I'm sure you'll soon put together a nice itinerary including KU.

Quoting N178UA (Reply 33):
Serving a full meal on European flight make KU extremely generous, or the director haven't had a review on cost cutting for ages

  

Quoting N178UA (Reply 33):
Did you get a chace to see what F or C class looks like. Certainly a unique 3-class A300!

I was last, so I had to hurry. But I can tell these old-style premium seats didn't look spectacular.


PH

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: FlyingFinn76
Posted 2010-12-05 02:47:59 and read 31475 times.

Hi PH,

Now that's a great report which I liked very much! These fifth freedom flights are always something special, so good to read about the KU one. How much did you pay for that flight - I have been planning on doing it and saw some one way FCO-CDG fares in business (!) for only 150 EUR. KU being a dry airline it might not be worth it as there won't be any champers, but apart from that they should serve some good food, at least judging from your economy meal (although it definitely could use a bit of sauce or at least ketchup on the side!).

I had no idea anybody had fit these A300s with IFE. Quite impressive actually, even though it is such an old system - the screen looks like the size you get an an IPhone nowadays...  . That cabin certainly brought back some memories from 20+ years ago when I flew the KR/AY charter A300s a few times to the Med.

The Air One CRJ-900 looks an ok ride as well.

PS. I have another fifth freedom flight coming up in late January on a A340!

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2010-12-05 06:14:06 and read 31353 times.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 35):
Now that's a great report which I liked very much! These fifth freedom flights are always something special, so good to read about the KU one.

Hi FlyingFinn, thanks for your feedback!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 35):
How much did you pay for that flight - I have been planning on doing it and saw some one way FCO-CDG fares in business (!) for only 150 EUR.

Wow, that sounds good. I paid 83 Euro for my ticket.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 35):
I had no idea anybody had fit these A300s with IFE.

Yes, PTVs on A300s have been quite rare. EK had PTVs on the A300s and I also remember seeing pictures of tiny PTVs on TU's A300s. That's it, as far as I know.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 35):

PS. I have another fifth freedom flight coming up in late January on a A340!

That sounds very interesting. Will you fly within Europe? Any hint?


PH

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: FlyingFinn76
Posted 2010-12-05 06:22:43 and read 31341 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 36):
I had no idea anybody had fit these A300s with IFE.
Yes, PTVs on A300s have been quite rare. EK had PTVs on the A300s and I also remember seeing pictures of tiny PTVs on TU's A300s. That's it, as far as I know.

Oh yeah, I meant PTVs, IFE is a bit wider concept, even the old KR A300s had monitors on the ceiling!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 36):
PS. I have another fifth freedom flight coming up in late January on a A340!
That sounds very interesting. Will you fly within Europe? Any hint?

Yep, would I ever leave Europe?  

(Well yes, I would but that's another matter...).

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2010-12-05 06:31:48 and read 31336 times.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 37):
Yep, would I ever leave Europe?

Well, how about LA A343 between CDG and MAD? Or KU A343 between FRA and GVA? Or is there another interesting option which I am not aware of?


PH

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: Luftfahrer
Posted 2010-12-05 08:04:58 and read 31232 times.

What a great header to begin with. And of course, as implied by the introduction, another very interesting trip report from you!   In the past I hadn't know too many 5th freedom flights, but since I started reading here, I have gradually become aware of how many there are in earnest – sometimes to my surprise.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
What I also realized was a bad smell in the cabin - and some people hanging around in the aisle certainly contributed to that.

Fortunately, I can't relate. However, I can imagine what this must be like... glad you weren't bound to fly longhaul this time!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Unfortunately, it started raining again

Why? Lovely capture there!  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
However, as soon as I had taken a picture, a female airport employee approached me and advised me that it's not allowed to take pictures...

What's with these odd regulations these days?    I am glad that I myself have never been asked to stop taking pictures thus far.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
P.S.: Just in case you missed them - my previous trip reports:

What an immense selection. And thanks for adding another great piece of work to it!

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2010-12-05 08:26:38 and read 31211 times.

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 39):
What a great header to begin with. And of course, as implied by the introduction, another very interesting trip report from you!

Hi Marius, thanks so much for your kind words.

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 39):
In the past I hadn't know too many 5th freedom flights, but since I started reading here, I have gradually become aware of how many there are in earnest – sometimes to my surprise.

Yes, I have also learned a lot here about odd routings and operations.

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 39):
However, I can imagine what this must be like... glad you weren't bound to fly longhaul this time!

Well, I didn't notice it any more after a while.

Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 39):

What an immense selection. And thanks for adding another great piece of work to it!

Thanks again.


PH

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2010-12-07 09:06:16 and read 30690 times.

Hi

WOW very impressive service of KU on this European route, thanks for sharing this interesting report

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
What I also realized was a bad smell in the cabin - and some people hanging around in the aisle certainly contributed to that

what a bad first impression!!!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
these models are outdated and worn out:

it has a GPS size screen indeed, for a 1.5 hour it's fine.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
the whole power supply was suddenly gone. Lights, PTVs, air conditioning, everything was inoperative

too bad

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Direction of Mecca:

is there any special area where they can prey?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
99th airline
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Story to be continued.

looking forward to read it, a begin of a clue?


East African Spotter

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: zalemam
Posted 2010-12-07 10:30:48 and read 30606 times.

Awesome and Unusual Trip report, KU doesn't look as bad as others have made it seem.

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2010-12-08 04:56:15 and read 30352 times.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 41):
WOW very impressive service of KU on this European route, thanks for sharing this interesting report

Thanks for your comments, eastafspot!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 41):
what a bad first impression!!!

  

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 41):
is there any special area where they can prey?

No, KU didn't install a prayer room on the A300.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 41):
looking forward to read it, a begin of a clue?

  

Quoting zalemam (Reply 42):
Awesome and Unusual Trip report, KU doesn't look as bad as others have made it seem.

Hi Zaid, thanks for your reply. Good to hear you liked it!


PH

[Edited 2010-12-08 04:57:20]

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: MSS658
Posted 2010-12-08 16:19:10 and read 30099 times.

Nice trip report! I did not knew that KU (or any airline) had PTV's on its A300s. I'm looking forward to reading the second part of your trip.

PS. Do you know if there are any A310 fifth freedom flights in Europe?

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: ronerone
Posted 2010-12-11 02:14:28 and read 29582 times.

Excellent report PH! ..

I had no idea KU had 5th rights between FCO and CDG, and i was pleasantly surprised to see that such a report happen  

The interior does seem quite run down, but i if i am not mistaken, the interior of the 777 seemed more shabby. Nevertheless, i am still wanting to try out KU on a long haul flight!

One question, was there a crew change at Rome or did the same set of crew continue onwards to Paris?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
As usual I left the bus last so that I would have enough time to take pictures:

This is an interesting tactic ... i usually try to get off the bus first so i could take pictures of the cabin before others boarded.

I think i would like to try this though!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Finally the object of desire arrived - and I was pleased to see it was 9K-AMA, the first of five A300-600s delivered to Kuwait Airways:

Always loved their livery!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
but after a few steps I realized that the flight would be packed: most seats were already occupied by Paris-bound passengers. There were numerous families among them and I guess most travellers were from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka. What I also realized was a bad smell in the cabin - and some people hanging around in the aisle certainly contributed to that.

The plane's interior in general looked a bit worn and I was surprised to find thick leather seats - however, those were quite comfortable, at least for the next two hours:

That's quite bad!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
but I understand that it's not easy to clean a cabin with most seats occupied.

But it shouldn't be an excuse .. There were no issues with KLM when they did the triangular AMS-BAH-AUH flights a long time back.

I wonder how much control the airline has over this though. I would assume it would be the quality of the cleaning company the airline is contracted with.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I wasn’t surprised to find individual screens on the A300 because I had read about it a long time ago.

So tiny!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
"...KAC's fleet comprises: three A320-200s, three A310-300s, five A300-605Rs, four A340-200s and two B777s, all equipped with the latest entertainment systems." No more comments necessary...

Haha .. maybe circa 1990  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I soon found out that the IFE system was mostly inoperative, only the airshow channel was available. Headphones weren't available either. However, I wouldn't have watched anything else anyway.

Probably due to the short flight.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Prior to the trip I had already read on KU's website that a hot meal would be served on this flight. But would they offer a choice of three different main courses?

Nice choices!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Ibis CDG Terminal

Great choice of hotel! I find Ibis to be very consistent in its offering worldwide.


Thanks a lot for sharing!

Cheers,
Roni

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: Palmjet
Posted 2010-12-11 03:49:52 and read 29543 times.

PH - very nice report of your flights - particularly the KU segment. Thank you for posting. The A300-600 is certainly quite rare these days in Europe so good that you managed to get onboard. Love your pics as always. The Alps scenery looked spectacular indeed. Cheers P/jet

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: TR1
Posted 2010-12-13 09:19:56 and read 29089 times.

Another great report PH.....

The view from the Ibis Hotel is great too. How long a lens did you use to take the photo of the Eurocypria 737-800? Would like to stay there if I'm ever at CDG again.

Funny how the meal on KU is almost exactly the same as when I flew this flight in 2007. The only difference was a chocolate bar instead of a cake on the tray.

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: CrimsonNL
Posted 2010-12-15 08:40:49 and read 28775 times.

Hi PH, thanks for sharing! I've actually been looking into this flight myself, wanting to score the 306, so I was surprised to see it. Great read as usual.

Regards,

Martijn

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: The777Man
Posted 2010-12-17 17:10:06 and read 28428 times.

Hi PH!

Thanks for a very nice report on KU's A300! Great pictures as well!! KU looks pretty good, nice with a meal although tea smelling like chlorine wouldn't be so great...........

I flew KU's 777 JFK-LHR a few years ago and remember the PTVs from that flight. Unfortunatly, I had a sinus infection which took away most of the enjoyment of the flight.......

I also flew FCO-CDG on a fifth freedom route but it's not operated any longer; SV used to fly JED-FCO-CDG for many years first with L-1011s and later with 777s. I flew on a SV 777 in 1998 and had a nice flight with them despite the 600 departure......

The777Man

Topic: RE: Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2010-12-20 11:58:07 and read 27882 times.

Quoting ronerone (Reply 45):
Excellent report PH! ..

Hi Roni, thanks a lot for your nice feedback!

Quoting ronerone (Reply 45):
Nevertheless, i am still wanting to try out KU on a long haul flight!

I'm sure you'd enjoy it - and we would be able to read a great Ronerone report.

Quoting ronerone (Reply 45):
One question, was there a crew change at Rome or did the same set of crew continue onwards to Paris?

I don't know, but I my guess is no.

Quoting ronerone (Reply 45):
Always loved their livery!

It's very classic, hopefully they won't come up with a horrible replacement like MH...

Quoting ronerone (Reply 45):
I would assume it would be the quality of the cleaning company the airline is contracted with.

Yes, good point.

Quoting Palmjet (Reply 46):
PH - very nice report of your flights - particularly the KU segment. Thank you for posting.
Quoting Palmjet (Reply 46):
Love your pics as always.

Many thanks, Palmjet, nice to hear you liked it.

Quoting TR1 (Reply 47):
Another great report PH.....

Thanks, Stephen!

Quoting TR1 (Reply 47):
How long a lens did you use to take the photo of the Eurocypria 737-800? Would like to stay there if I'm ever at CDG again.

I zoomed in a bit (Lumix DMC-TZ8), but cannot remember how much.

Quoting TR1 (Reply 47):
Funny how the meal on KU is almost exactly the same as when I flew this flight in 2007. The only difference was a chocolate bar instead of a cake on the tray.

Interesting, I'd expect more frequent changes.

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 48):
Hi PH, thanks for sharing! I've actually been looking into this flight myself, wanting to score the 306, so I was surprised to see it. Great read as usual.

Hi Martijn, thanks for your comments. Are you still interested in taking the flight?

Quoting The777Man (Reply 49):
Thanks for a very nice report on KU's A300! Great pictures as well!!

Thanks a lot, Lars!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 49):
I flew KU's 777 JFK-LHR a few years ago and remember the PTVs from that flight. Unfortunatly, I had a sinus infection which took away most of the enjoyment of the flight.......

That's really bad, I can imagine how you felt.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 49):
I also flew FCO-CDG on a fifth freedom route but it's not operated any longer; SV used to fly JED-FCO-CDG for many years first with L-1011s and later with 777s. I flew on a SV 777 in 1998 and had a nice flight with them despite the 600 departure......

You were lucky to get on that flight, I would love to try SV's 777 on such a 5th freedom route.


PH


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