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Topic: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: CaptainRed
Posted 2011-10-17 06:19:03 and read 9905 times.

Bom Dia fellow a.netters!

Introduction and Planning

Last year we invited my dad for a short weekend trip to Helsinki (see A Weekend In Helsinki With SK And LH) and since we both enjoyed that trip very much, we decided to do something similar this year again.

After looking into some possible destinations we finally settled for Lisbon, a city new to both of us. Of course it was my turn to organize the flights. The most simple option would have been just a direct flight from Frankfurt on LH or TP, but that is not what I wanted. Instead I looked into the famous fifth freedom flight by LAN to Madrid, which has been on my To-Fly-List for a long time. It was still available for a good fare, around 90,- for a return ticket, so I booked that. From MAD to Lisbon I first wanted to book easyJet but then I found out that the flight on TAP was available for about the same price (around 70,- Euro return), so that was booked as well. As an added bonus one of the TAP flights would be operated by PGA portugalia on a Fokker 100, so interesting equipment and yet another new airline for me.

This is the way to go:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/routemap.gif

Now since the LAN flight would arrive quite late at MAD I booked an airport hotel there (before making sure it offered a free airport shuttle) and another hotel in Lisbon for two nights. Then all was set and we were ready to go.


Flight 1 (09.10.2011)
FRA-MAD (LA 705)
A340-300 (CC-CQA)
Seat 34L
scheduled 19:30 – 22:20
actual 19:30 – 21:45

Just three days after my arrival from my latest trip to Ireland and the Baltic countries it was time to hit the road again. My dad picked me up in the afternoon and it took us a little over an hour to Frankfurt. This time we tried out some private parking garage a few miles away from the airport. Parking fee was 31,- Euro for the 3 days including a shuttle to and from the airport. Not bad, compared to the 75,- it would have cost us to park directly at the airport. We arrived at terminal 2 and first checked the monitors, everything ok with our flight to Santiago and Madrid:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_000.jpg

We went up to the food court to view the action outside and spotted some interesting planes on arrival, like this ANA B777:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_200.jpg

… or this Saudi Arabian airbus:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_001.jpg

The main hall of terminal 2:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_002.jpg

Since we still had some time we took the Sky Line train over to terminal 1. From the train you have some good views over parts of the apron with a few interesting visitors:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_004.jpg

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_005.jpg

I then checked the OPS screen and found that our inbound flight from SCL would arrive a few minutes early and that our plane would be CC-CQA, LANs very first A340, in service with LAN since 2000.

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_003.jpg

Next we went through passport control (as this is technically not a Schengen flight) and security to our gate D1. Our airbus was already parked there, what a beautiful livery:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_006.jpg



This one was taxiing past, it had just arrived from HEL:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_008.jpg

Quite a lot of people were already in the gate area. Boarding then started by row numbers, it was actually very orderly. We were greeted by friendly flight attendants and then made our way to the back of plane and settled down. We had done online check-in the day before and had chosen some window seats. Boarding complete:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_010.jpg

Notice the different seat colors, the rows alternated between some blueish gray and some light purple, it was actually quite pleasant. Seats were also comfortable and the space more than adequate. My view outside, it was already getting dark:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_009.jpg

Their inflight magazine, simply named 'IN', but it was rather thick with almost 200 pages, so good enough for a long flight:



The cabin was completely full, as far as I could see every seat was taken. Next to me were a German who was on his way to Peru as part of a tourist group. Pushback was right on time at 19:30 and we taxied the long way to runway 18. Take-off roll seemed to be rather slow and long before we lifted off into the night sky and headed to the south-west. A little later the Captain was on the speakers again (Spanish and English) and explained our route (Lyon, Toulouse, Zaragoza, Madrid), we would be cruising on FL 390 and the estimated flight time would be 1:50. As service started the crew distributed a snack box, nicely illustrated with pictures from South America. Inside was a small cheese and chicken sandwich with a Kitkat chocolate bar. As the drink cart came both my dad and I ordered a beer. Well, my dad got some Spanish beer (and I was already a bit disappointed since I wanted to try some Chilean brew). But that was the last beer they had on the cart and the FA went to the front and got some more cans and to my delight it was Crystal cerveza from Chile   :

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_013.jpg

The sandwich was ok, though nothing special. Later I explored the inflight entertainment, they had quite a good selection of movies on demand (more than 50), TV shows, some games, and a lot of music channels. A game my son certainly would have enjoyed:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_012.jpg

But more interesting for me was of course the airshow:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_014.jpg

It was a very clear night over Spain and descent was very smooth. Landing was on runway 33R at 21:40, also very smooth and only some light braking. A short taxi later we docked at the gate at terminal 4S. We bid farewell to the crew and made our way outside. This was my first time in terminal 4 at MAD and I was immediately impressed by the architecture:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_015.jpg

And also by the long distances you have to cover to the exit. We had to take the underground train, went trough another passport control and then outside to the hotel shuttle area. A quick call to our hotel and the shuttle was on its way. We went to the hotel with the somewhat strange name “täch”, but it was ok, recommendable for a stay near MAD and good value for money.


Flight 2 (10.10.2011)
MAD-LIS (TP 723, operated by portugalia)
F100 (CS-TPB)
Seat 8A
scheduled 10:05 – 10:20
actual 10:05 – 10:25

The next morning after a quick breakfast we took the shuttle back to the airport, this time to the old part of the airport, to terminal 2. Everything looks good for our flight, it would depart from the D gates:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_016.jpg

Through security then and we went to explore the terminal a bit. You have some nice views from there, but this time of the day against the sun, so it was quite hard to take decent pictures. This one with the Aeroflot airbus came out quite nicely:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_017.jpg

They have a model of the terminal building here on display:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_018.jpg

This 727 has seen some better times already, also that jetway looks a bit strange:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_019.jpg

All in all this terminal has quite an old-style feel to it:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_020.jpg

… and in some places it is in dire need of some renovation work:



Anyway a little later we saw the expected portugalia Fokker 100 land and we made our way to the gate. Here she comes turning towards the parking position:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_022.jpg

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_023.jpg

Once on board the first thing we noticed were the thick, old-fashioned leather seats:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_027.jpg

Seat pitch was exceptionally good:



The contents of the seat pocket, TAP inflight magazine:



… and the safety card:



Load factor was 100%, every seat was taken, the crew was ok, one senior male and two younger females. Business friendly, as Markus would say. Pushback again was exactly on time and we began our taxiing towards the runway. On the way we spotted a Eurowings CRJ and another Aeroflot airbus:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_028.jpg

An MD-83 from Swiftair:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_029.jpg

A Delta 767 on its way to ATL took off directly before us on runway 36L:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_030.jpg

Then it was our turn, lining up on the runway:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_031.jpg

And take-off:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_032.jpg

It was a perfectly clear day and we were treated with some nice views of Madrid and its suburbs:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_033.jpg

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_034.jpg

The airport after our westbound turn:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_035.jpg

One of the many man-made lakes around Madrid:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_036.jpg

The crew then distributed some cookies and something to drink. I got an OJ:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_037.jpg

Later they came again around with some more cookies, this one tasted much better than the first one which was a bit dry:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_038.jpg

Descent started and the approach to LIS runway 03 was just spectacular. We first flew over the coast in the South of Lisbon:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_039.jpg

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The mouth of the river Tejo:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_042.jpg

Some other traffic arriving as well:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_044.jpg

Then the suburb of Belem came into view, with all the famous landmarks in sight, for example the “Torre de Belem” is visible just beneath the wing. We would be visiting some of these sights the next day:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_045.jpg

Streets and railways:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_046.jpg

And an interesting looking aqueduct:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_047.jpg

The airport is pretty close to the city, on final approach:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_048.jpg

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_049.jpg

Chasing our shadow:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_050.jpg

Landing was at around 10:20 after a flight time of just a little less than 1 hour. The views on approach were just awesome, however I wish I could do that approach again sitting on the other side, must also be great when you see the city center. We then taxied to a remote position and passed this visitor from Angola:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_051.jpg

Our bird again after disembarking:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_052.jpg

The nose up close:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_053.jpg

By bus then into the terminal. When you leave the bus you have some monitors indicating the arrivals including the registration number, a very nice feature for us enthusiasts. We then made our way towards the exit through the arrival hall:



We took the bus into the city, price was 3,50 Euro one way. This is especially a great deal when you arrive in the morning, since this ticket is valid on all public transportation in the city for a whole day (with the exception of the Metro), not bad.

The next two days we explored the city of Lisbon. Now if you are interested in public transportation and especially old and historic trams, this city is the place to go. We spent a good deal of time inside these trams, as they wind their way up and down the hills and through the narrow alleys:



This is quite an experience, loud and rattling, often cram-full, but fun (as long as don't have to ride everyday):



We went up to the castle:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_058.jpg

… from where you have great views over the city and can also watch the planes on approach, like this Niki airbus:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_057.jpg

Another example of unusual public transport is this elevator (“Elevador Santa Justa”), which connects the lower city center with the 'Barrio Alto', the higher quarter:



Inside the elevator:



Next day we went out to the quarter of Belem, where we witnessed some parade in front of the 'Palacio de Belem':

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_062.jpg

The Monument of the Discoveries, you can actually go to the top of this thing:



Next to it there is this replica of a Fairey IIIb seaplane, which was used for the first aerial crossing of the South Atlantic:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_066.jpg

A must visit of course is the 'Torre de Belem':

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_067.jpg

This guy found a great place to relax:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_068.jpg

Back in the city center, some more interesting (and still in everyday use) transportation, the 'Elevador da Gloria':

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_070.jpg

While most of the city is rather nice, there are also a lot of empty and run-down buildings:



Also notice the professionally done electrical installations   :



Of course one gets quite thirsty after some heavy sightseeing, so a pint at one of the many places with views over the city was very welcomed (sorry, I was so thirsty that I took a sip before I realized that this would be a good picture):

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_071.jpg

And a steak for dinner to end a great day:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_072.jpg


Flight 3 (12.10.2011)
LIS-MAD (TP 712)
A320 (CS-TNI)
Seat 20A
scheduled 09:00 – 11:15
actual 09:15 – 11:30

The next day we went to the airport by taxi, pretty cheap as well for less than 10,-. The FIDS with the departures this morning:



We had a small breakfast at the airport and then went through security, there was a small queue there, but no problem at all. Our plane was already at the gate:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_074.jpg

It was CS-TNI, first flight in 1999 and since then in service with TAP. Some more action on the apron:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_075.jpg

Boarding was then called by row numbers, high numbers first, but a few people with the lower seat numbers were there at the entry and blocking the way for others. But instead of just making place they firmly stayed there and even made some commentaries. So it was a bit chaotic, but given the rather light load factor of maybe 50% everything still went quickly. Once onboard I realized that the seat pitch wasn't as good as on the portugalia Fokker:



They also had the old-fashioned leather seats:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_078.jpg

After boarding was complete they played a comic style safety demo on the screens:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_079.jpg

Actually the demo was rather funny with some heavily exaggerated comic characters. Pushback was a little late, as the Captain explained later because of some ATC restrictions. Some colorful tails at the terminal:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_080.jpg

We then took off from runway 03 over the eastern suburbs of Lisbon:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_081.jpg

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_082.jpg

The general aviation airport of Alverca:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_083.jpg

Some interesting looking circular fields:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_084.jpg

To my delight they started the airshow on the screens, but unfortunately only during the first few minutes of the flight.

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_085.jpg

Later they showed some documentaries about golf and fashion. A little pointless in my view, since they didn't distribute headsets (and there weren't even any outlets for them anyway).

The crew on this flight were two friendly females and one male, who was indifferent at best. Service started and we got a rather nice breakfast. It consisted of a croissant with ham and cheese and some tasty small fruit drink, together with some tea, coffee or soft drinks. Pretty good for a flight of this length:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_086.jpg

The rest of the flight I just relaxed. During descent we were put into a hold near the town of Toledo:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_087.jpg

But after just one turn in the hold we were released and continued the approach towards MAD:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_088.jpg

On final to runway 33L:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_089.jpg

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_090.jpg

At the gate at around 11:30, so about 15 minutes late, but no problem for us, since we had a long connection time anyway. All in all it has been a pleasant flight with good service. My seat:



Once outside of the airplane I didn't even bother to find the bus for connecting passengers to the other terminal. Instead we went to the exit and took the standard bus to T4:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_092.jpg

Landside area of terminal 2:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_093.jpg

… and of terminal 4, quite a difference here:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_094.jpg

We still had some time and walked around in the terminal a bit. At some point in a quiet area we found a single security check-point with no signs and no people at all waiting there. We asked the officer if this is a regular check-point and he said yes, so we showed our boarding passes and went through, no queue, no wait, nice. Then again we admired the architecture and the vastness of this terminal building:



There was also some action outside to watch, like this USAirways A330:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_096.jpg

… and, a little farther away, an Air France retrojet:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_098.jpg

Flight 4 (12.10.2011)
MAD-FRA (LA 704)
A340-300 (CC-CQC)
Seat 32C
scheduled 15:15 – 17:55
actual 15:25 – 18:10

We then began the long way towards the U gates, where our flight would depart. At one point a sign said that it would take around 25 minutes to reach the gates, wow, that gives you an idea about the distances here. We made it a bit faster though, with the subway train and again through passport control. Our airbus already awaited us at the gate:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_099.jpg

It was CC-CQC, first flight in 2000. We had done online check-in the day before at the hotel, but unfortunately all window seats were already taken, too bad. So we had to rough it at an aisle seat. Boarding started, this time very orderly, through the airbridge on board:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_100.jpg

Next to us a LAN 767 was parked, ready to depart to Guayaquil in Ecuador:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_101.jpg

Nice seat pitch, necessary for those who fly on this plane all the way to South America:



And again load factor was pretty good, I spotted only a few empty seats in the cabin:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_103.jpg

Push back was around 10 minutes late. Only a short taxi to runway 36R, followed by another rather slow take-off:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_104.jpg

Later the Captain was on the speakers with a nice and very detailed welcome, both in Spanish and in English. He apologized for the short delay, he explained it with some necessary maintenance in one of the communication systems. The route today would take us over Pamplona, Toulouse, Lyon, Geneva, Zürich and up to Frankfurt. First on FL320, then later in the flight on FL380.

Over the North of Spain it became cloudy outside and it stayed like that all the way to FRA:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_105.jpg

Service was the same as on the inbound flight, again a sandwich and a chocolate bar presented in a nice box:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_106.jpg

This time I tried some Chilean red wine with it, actually it tasted quite good. There was a second drink run and I asked for a refill, which was granted without problems and with a smile. All in all the crew was really nice. For the rest of the flight I played around with the inflight entertainment, listened to some classic rock tunes by Rush and just enjoyed my time on board. Descent started somewhere over Switzerland:

http://www.mcroth.de/tr/lis11/tr9_107.jpg

On our way towards FRA:



Landing was quite hard on runway 25C after a flight time of 2 hours and 20 minutes. And after some taxiing we arrived at our gate at terminal 2 with around 15 minutes delay. After disembarking we had to get through another passport control, this time there were very long lines. I don't like it when there are separate queues for each counter like in FRA (it always seems that one stands in the slowest line). But well, we made it out, took the shuttle back to the parking and after another hour on the autobahn we were back at home.


Conclusion

It was another fun trip, quite a difference to my trip to Ireland and the Baltic countries I had just had a week before.

LAN Airlines are definitely good, crews were nice, service was more than adequate for a flight of this length. I would like to try them on a real long-haul flight. The only downside on this particular flight probably is the necessity to go through passport control, but flying with a wide-body and a somewhat exotic airline compensates for that, at least for us aviation geeks.

TAP and portugalia were a positive surprise. Service was pretty good, a nice breakfast on one flight, snacks on the other, good seat pitch at least on the Fokker. The crews were so and so, but overall still acceptable. I would also fly with them again without hesitation.

And Lisbon, a very interesting city with a lot to see and do and a nice relaxed, southern flair. I really liked the old quarters there, the adventurous public transportation, and the many places with great views over the city.

So that concludes my report, thank you for reading, hope you enjoyed it. And please feel free to leave a comment or a question here, very much appreciated  

CaptainRed

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: infodesk
Posted 2011-10-17 07:18:26 and read 9769 times.

Hi Captain Red,

What a great itinerary you chose for this mini break, combining the A340 with LAN and the F100 on Portugalia, good planning! Nice little snack box they served on LAN, it must be so exciting taking a short flight on an exotic carrier.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
This one was taxiing past, it had just arrived from HEL

Nice to see some examples of the old AY livery are still about.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
And take-off:

Great photo of the aircraft's shadow, also the one on landing.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
(sorry, I was so thirsty that I took a sip before I realized that this would be a good picture):

This made me smile. It must have been a good beer!

Enjoyed the pictures of Lisbon too, you fitted a lot into your stay.

Happy flying
Infodesk   

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-10-17 07:55:25 and read 9710 times.

Hi CaptainRed,

nice report about your trip to MAD and LIS. I flew FRA-MAD on CC-CQC after the a.net meeting, I still need to write a report about that.

I really enjoyed your pictures from Lisbon, I spend some nice days there last year.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
It was still available for a good fare, around 90,- for a return ticket, so I booked that.

Well, I paid more for my one-way flight, but it was still worth it.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
As service started the crew distributed a snack box, nicely illustrated with pictures from South America. Inside was a small cheese and chicken sandwich with a Kitkat chocolate bar. As the drink cart came both my dad and I ordered a beer. Well, my dad got some Spanish beer (and I was already a bit disappointed since I wanted to try some Chilean brew). But that was the last beer they had on the cart and the FA went to the front and got some more cans and to my delight it was Crystal cerveza from Chile

I had the same beer on my flight!

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
It was CS-TNI, first flight in 1999 and since then in service with TAP.

Interesting, I flew LIS-MUC on that one last year.


PH

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: ROGERBCN
Posted 2011-10-17 10:38:53 and read 9459 times.

Hola CaptainRed!

A great and pleasant reading for this Monday evening before I head back to do some work.

You made a great combination of aircrafts, the almighty A340 which flies all the way to SCL from MAD (10,700km) and the Fokker100 which is always a very nice addition, I love them and they usually have a great seat-pitch. I took the ones from Helvetic to and from MXP and BUD to ZRH and they have always pleasantly surprised me. But it seems in Portugalia they offer a great service as well.
Great pictures, I have always found LIS to be a great city, always interesting to visit.

Salut!

Roger

[Edited 2011-10-17 10:39:58]

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: deltamartin
Posted 2011-10-17 11:38:18 and read 9352 times.

Hi CaptainRed!

Great tripreport once again!

LAN looked nice, maybe I should fly the same route... Looks interesting for sure!  
Lisbon looks like a cool town, love the trams!

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
They have a model of the terminal building here on display:

Gotta love that kind of things! Nice to see the aircraft painted in some local airlines colors.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
… and of terminal 4, quite a difference here:

Wow, stunning.

Martin

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: EuroWings
Posted 2011-10-17 11:54:04 and read 9318 times.

Hi CaptainRed

Wow! Another great report, with a particularly interesting assortment of carriers! LAN and Portugalia and TAP, a great combination I must say, especially with the A340 and Fokker 100.

I really like 5th freedom flights, I must say that LAN is cheap at 90 euros return! I had to pay double that on my last fifth freedom flight (MAN to MUC with SQ) although 100% worth it!

Thanks
EuroWings

[Edited 2011-10-17 11:55:15]

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: aflyingkiwi
Posted 2011-10-17 13:58:50 and read 9065 times.

Hi CaptainRed

Great TR & thanks for the insight on LAN. I'll be flying on one of their A340's from SYD-AKL early next year & you really have whetted my appetite for it! Lisbon also looks very cool, especially those trams for a public transport fan like me.

Regards,
aflyingkiwi

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: FLIEGER67
Posted 2011-10-17 14:18:13 and read 9027 times.

Hi, Captain,

great idea again to connect LAN and TAP on this routing. Special congrats to the Portugalia F100, not that easy to catch. Also great pictures from you´re stay in Lissabon,
sure a place which I also like.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):

Load factor was 100%, every seat was taken, the crew was ok, one senior male and two younger females. Business friendly, as Markus would say.

Well, that´s it these days, so often.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):

This is quite an experience, loud and rattling, often cram-full, but fun (as long as don't have to ride everyday):

Love it, too. No problems with the pickpockets?.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: gabrielchew
Posted 2011-10-17 15:36:54 and read 8905 times.

Nice report, thanks! THe LA FRA-MAD flight seems very popular with A.netters. The service seems pretty good from them, although a hot meal would have been nice.

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: sultanils
Posted 2011-10-18 00:17:05 and read 8523 times.

Hi again CptR,

Another interesting report from your hands, nice pics of Lisbon city included. A nice gesture to take your father with you on a yearly trip to conquer Europe.
I think your report is the first featuring the famous 5th freedom LAN flight in the ‘return’ version, most people here take it ‘oneway’. A nice experience as expected, LAN provides some excellent consistency on this operation it seems. Congrats as well on logging the Portugalia F100, that’s another nice treat as well!

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
o I booked that. From MAD to Lisbon I first wanted to book easyJet but then I found out that the flight on TAP was available for about the same price (around 70,- Euro return), so that was booked as well. As an added bonus one of the TAP flights would be operated by PGA portugalia on a Fokker 100

You seem to have the same strategy as I have: look into the cheapest options first (EZY, FR, Wizz Air,…) and if they don’t suit or another alternative on a ‘proper’ airline is ‘as good’ or ‘better then’, the choice is obvious  

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
A game my son certainly would have enjoyed:

  

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
This was my first time in terminal 4 at MAD and I was immediately impressed by the architecture:

Yes, MAD’s terminal 4 is really great, except for connecting long haul it isn’t…

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
Our bird again after disembarking

Looks nice but with Italian colors.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
Some more action on the apron

Interesting visitor from my point of view.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
Our plane was already at the gate

I think TAP has a modern and stylish livery, don’t you think?

Sultanils

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: MSS658
Posted 2011-10-18 01:17:41 and read 8480 times.

Hi Captain Red

Nice trip report, enjoyed reading it.
It's nice having a widebody on such a short flight. Looks like LAN is a decent carrier to fly on.
TAP and Portugalia look nice as well, except the seating pitch. As described in my recent trip report!

SATA, The Azores And The A310! Part I (by MSS658 Oct 16 2011 in Trip Reports)


Greetings
Marc

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: CaptainRed
Posted 2011-10-18 04:41:48 and read 8371 times.

Hello everybody, thanks for all the comments, greatly appreciated...

Quoting infodesk (Reply 1):
combining the A340 with LAN and the F100 on Portugalia, good planning!

Hi Hannah, the portugalia Fokker was more a coincidence, but of course very much welcomed.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 1):
Nice little snack box they served on LAN, it must be so exciting taking a short flight on an exotic carrier.

Certainly, one of the few chances to fly a carrier from South America within Europe, for sure exciting.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 1):
This made me smile. It must have been a good beer!

Just imagine a hot summer day with a light breeze, a nice little table in the shadow on a place with a beautiful view, some music from street artists in the background, and then a cold beer   ...

Hi PH, thanks for your reply.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
I flew FRA-MAD on CC-CQC after the a.net meeting, I still need to write a report about that.

Yes, I remember we talked about it then. Looking forward to read your report about it   ...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
Well, I paid more for my one-way flight, but it was still worth it.

Well, that was still high travel season in Germany, and it seems that LAN is one of these airlines that charge more on one-ways than on return flights.

Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 3):
A great and pleasant reading for this Monday evening before I head back to do some work.

Hola Roger, muchas gracias...

Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 3):
and the Fokker100 which is always a very nice addition, I love them and they usually have a great seat-pitch.

Yes, I was also pleasantly surprised by the seat-pitch, much better than on the TAP airbus.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 4):
Great tripreport once again!

Hi Martin, thank you

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 4):
LAN looked nice, maybe I should fly the same route... Looks interesting for sure!

LAN is certainly a good airline, try them on this route, they sometimes offer very good fares.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 4):
Gotta love that kind of things! Nice to see the aircraft painted in some local airlines colors.

Yes, they should just put a little effort in maintaining the model, it looks quite old and dusty.

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 5):
Wow! Another great report, with a particularly interesting assortment of carriers!

Hi Eurowings, thanks, glad you enjoyed it.

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 5):
I really like 5th freedom flights, I must say that LAN is cheap at 90 euros return!

LAN offers some great fares sometimes, especially outside of the peak season.

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 5):
I had to pay double that on my last fifth freedom flight (MAN to MUC with SQ) although 100% worth it!

The LAN flight was my first fifth freedom flight, and I like to try some more, that particular SQ flight is on my to-fly-list as well.

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 6):
Great TR & thanks for the insight on LAN. I'll be flying on one of their A340's from SYD-AKL early next year & you really have whetted my appetite for it!

Hi aflyingkiwi, thanks, that's for sure an interesting route as well, a little longer than the FRA-MAD flight, so I am curious to hear about your experience with them.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 7):
Special congrats to the Portugalia F100, not that easy to catch.

Hi Markus, thanks, that F100 for sure was very welcomed.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 7):
No problems with the pickpockets?.

No problems, open eyes and one hand always on the purse, it is ok then.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 8):
Nice report, thanks! THe LA FRA-MAD flight seems very popular with A.netters. The service seems pretty good from them, although a hot meal would have been nice.

Hi gabrielchew, these fifth freedom flights certainly attracts the aviation enthusiasts. Plus the sometimes very attractive fares. I guess they serve a hot meal only on the long-haul sector of the flight, but that sandwich was adequate.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 9):
Another interesting report from your hands, nice pics of Lisbon city included.

Hi Nils, thanks, Lisbon indeed is an interesting place.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 9):
most people here take it ‘oneway’.

I think flying the same way back just doesn't appeal to much to us aviation geeks. I was also looking into some other options for the return flights, but with the fares being much higher that way I settled with the return flight.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 9):
You seem to have the same strategy as I have: look into the cheapest options first (EZY, FR, Wizz Air,…) and if they don’t suit or another alternative on a ‘proper’ airline is ‘as good’ or ‘better then’, the choice is obvious

Yes, that's the way I do it usually. But with the extreme bargains on the LCCs becoming quite rare lately and some of the 'real' carriers have some good offers as well it seems that more and more the regular airlines win.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 9):
Looks nice but with Italian colors.

Well, red and green are also the Portuguese colors, but you are right, with the white in the middle it looks Italian at first

Quoting sultanils (Reply 9):
I think TAP has a modern and stylish livery, don’t you think?

It is nice, yes, though I think nothing special.
Quoting MSS658 (Reply 10):
Nice trip report, enjoyed reading it.

Hi Marc, thank you.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 10):
TAP and Portugalia look nice as well, except the seating pitch. As described in my recent trip report!

Yes, great to read that you had some similar experiences.

CaptainRed

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: FlyingFinn76
Posted 2011-10-19 11:04:21 and read 7983 times.

Aye Cap,

You seem to be on a roll with these reports lately! Very enjoyable read on your little "boys trip" to Lisbon. It is a great city - I've been there a few times and would go back in a whim if there weren't so many other interesting places to discover...   Great shots from Lisbon.

Nice choice of airlines, that LAN fifth freedom flight is the classic and a very enjoyable one. I did it last year, and also did the short lived MAD-CDG sector this January. That one was particularly cheap at around 50 USD.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
and since we both enjoyed that trip very much, we decided to do something similar this year again.

Now that's a good idea, I bet your dad enjoys these things just as much as you do!

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
It was still available for a good fare, around 90,- for a return ticket, so I booked that.

Hey, that's an excellent price - I had to pay around 110 EUR for ONE WAY MAD-FRA...

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
From MAD to Lisbon I first wanted to book easyJet but then I found out that the flight on TAP was available for about the same price (around 70,- Euro return), so that was booked as well. As an added bonus one of the TAP flights would be operated by PGA portugalia on a Fokker 100, so interesting equipment and yet another new airline for me.

Nice catch! I've flown with PGA once, but that was with the E145, not the Fokker. Great looking planes and a distinct feeling onboard from the parent company TAP.

It's funny how very often you can book a regular airline just as cheaply as a budget carrier, especially if you need to book luggage etc. Good for us.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
Now since the LAN flight would arrive quite late at MAD I booked an airport hotel there (before making sure it offered a free airport shuttle)

Now that is an excellent idea! During one overnight layover at MAD (coming from LIS actually, funny coincidence albeit with an IB MD-88) I booked one hotel that was supposed to be an airport hotel. Well, it didn't have any shuttle and it was located somewhere in the middle of nowhere - the first taxi driver had serious problems finding it and the second one (going back to the airport the next morning) ripped us off with the fare. Back then I wowed never to book an airport hotel without a shuttle anymore - but I've broken that promise already, albeit it was only with hotels where I could actually walk to or use public buses.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
I then checked the OPS screen and found that our inbound flight from SCL would arrive a few minutes early and that our plane would be CC-CQA, LANs very first A340, in service with LAN since 2000.

Nice, I flew with her on the opposite direction.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
Well, my dad got some Spanish beer (and I was already a bit disappointed since I wanted to try some Chilean brew). But that was the last beer they had on the cart and the FA went to the front and got some more cans and to my delight it was Crystal cerveza from Chile :

On my flight I was given a Heineken. I used my "sick puppy" look and told the FA I REALLY wanted to try a genuine Chilean beer - she smiled, went to the galley and brought me a Crystal (in addition to the Heineken).

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
Here she comes turning towards the parking position:

Nice shots, very beautiful lighting conditions.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
Seat pitch was exceptionally good:

I've never flown with a F70/100 that didn't have a good seat pitch. And I've flown with quite a few.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
The mouth of the river Tejo:

Nice shot - you can see Cascais and Estoril there, I once spent a holiday there. Happy times.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
The airport is pretty close to the city, on final approach:

Ahh, I just love the 03 approach at LIS. Amazing views of the city.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
… from where you have great views over the city and can also watch the planes on approach, like this Niki airbus:

...and it works this way too. On my first visit to Lisbon I think I sat a couple of hours there and watched and photographed planes. I also once stayed at the Holiday Inn hotel whose rooftop pool was even closer to the flight path - too bad it was full of drunken and very bad behaving British lads which sort of ate into the enjoyment...

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
Some colorful tails at the terminal:

Love that TAAG one!

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
Once outside of the airplane I didn't even bother to find the bus for connecting passengers to the other terminal. Instead we went to the exit and took the standard bus to T4:

Heh, trust me it is a ghost bus! I almost missed my LAN MAD-FRA flight because I was delayed coming in with UX and I trusted the airport website's information about a direct transfer bus to the non-Schengen T4S. I got into arguments with the security guards who wouldn't let me into the T1 (or 2?) non-Schengen end because I didn't have a flight departing there. In the end I had to run and catch the same landside bus as you did - I just made it to the gate as the last pax... And then, when we were sitting in the plane they announced a 45 minute ATC delay... typical.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
Next to us a LAN 767 was parked, ready to depart to Guayaquil in Ecuador:

I wish they'd use this on a fifth freedom intra-European service. 767s with winglets are seriously cool!

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
followed by another rather slow take-off:

Well, it is an A340 classic after all, so nothing new here.

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: OA260
Posted 2011-10-19 12:41:53 and read 7936 times.

Very nice report thanks for the read. A nice mix of airlines and route for sure  


Regards


OA260  

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: Quokka
Posted 2011-10-19 22:34:06 and read 7851 times.

Hi CaptainRed,

Nice trip report, managing to combine several different airport terminals and their contrasting styles. I think everyone finds MAD T4 impressive.

Some wonderful photos of Lisbon and its wonderful tramways. Great shot of the aqueduct: I have passed under it a few times but never seen it from above - thanks for the opportunity now.   Very impressive.

Even more impressive is to think of the efforts of Gago Coutinho and Sacadura Cabral in crossing the South Atlantic in that plane modelled in Belem. Here's a bit of archival footage relating to it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPNgp9_Lr20&feature=related

Thanks for sharing your experience. I enjoyed reading about it and seeing the photos.

Quokka

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: CaptainRed
Posted 2011-10-21 02:39:23 and read 7654 times.

Hi P.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 12):
You seem to be on a roll with these reports lately! Very enjoyable read on your little "boys trip" to Lisbon.

thanks, glad you liked it. This has been my main holiday, so that's why I have done these two trips close together. Right now I have no more trips planned for the near future.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 12):
Now that's a good idea, I bet your dad enjoys these things just as much as you do!

Sure he does, he is not that much into flying like I am, but he enjoys traveling in general very much.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 12):
It's funny how very often you can book a regular airline just as cheaply as a budget carrier, especially if you need to book luggage etc. Good for us.

Yes, indeed great for us. And this time even without luggage TAP was about the same price than easyjet. So no question here which airline I booked.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 12):
Now that is an excellent idea!

Yes, I have had my share of experiences with so-called airport hotels and ridiculous taxi fares as well. I always make sure now there is a shuttle or otherwise cheap means to reach the hotel. But then it can still happen that there is a shuttle advertised and when you arrive you realize it is no longer running, like I experienced in STN earlier this year.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 12):
On my flight I was given a Heineken. I used my "sick puppy" look and told the FA I REALLY wanted to try a genuine Chilean beer - she smiled, went to the galley and brought me a Crystal (in addition to the Heineken).

Well done   You can have a Heineken everywhere else, but it certainly doesn't fit on a flight with a Chilean carrier between Spain and Germany.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 12):
Ahh, I just love the 03 approach at LIS. Amazing views of the city.

Yes, that indeed is a spectacular approach.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 12):
Heh, trust me it is a ghost bus! I almost missed my LAN MAD-FRA flight because I was delayed coming in with UX and I trusted the airport website's information about a direct transfer bus to the non-Schengen T4S.

Yes, I remember that story. That's why I didn't even bother to find it. And since we had a lot of time anyway it wasn't a problem at all.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 12):
Well, it is an A340 classic after all, so nothing new here.

I know, but after flying only narrow-bodies lately you really feel the difference here.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 13):
Very nice report thanks for the read. A nice mix of airlines and route for sure

Hi OA260, thanks, glad you liked it.

Quoting Quokka (Reply 14):
Nice trip report, managing to combine several different airport terminals and their contrasting styles. I think everyone finds MAD T4 impressive.

Hi Quokka, thanks a lot. And yes, MAD T4 is certainly impressive, especially when compared with the older terminals there.

Quoting Quokka (Reply 14):
Great shot of the aqueduct: I have passed under it a few times but never seen it from above - thanks for the opportunity now.

Cool, indeed a very interesting building.

Quoting Quokka (Reply 14):
Here's a bit of archival footage relating to it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPNgp...lated

Thanks for the link. It was definitely quite a feat to fly such a route in a plane like this. Amazing to think how aviation has developed in the last 70 or 80 years. Nowadays the flight across the South Atlantic is just a routine hop.

CaptainRed

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: stipica
Posted 2011-10-21 05:26:45 and read 7603 times.

Thanks for the efforts ! ... nice introduction to my 10 day trip to Portugal next May ... variety of public transport in Lisbon is a fascinating especially for transportation freak like me ... stipica  

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: LXM83
Posted 2011-10-21 15:19:57 and read 7474 times.

Hello CaptainRed

That LA flight is on my to-do-list since a long time... good to read yet another report on it. Makes me want to do it even more.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
The views on approach were just awesome

That's right, and glorious weather you had!

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
It was CC-CQC

Always good to have a different reg on the way back.

Best regards,
LXM83

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: RICARIZA
Posted 2011-10-21 16:41:17 and read 7461 times.

Loved it.
It was great to read it completely. I went last year to Portugal, it was such a wonderful experience and I agree, TAP was a very pleasant surprise..!

Thank you for sharing!

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: akhmad
Posted 2011-10-22 10:19:35 and read 7320 times.

Bom Dia CaptainRed,

It has been five years ago that Herman and I were in Lisbon. Your report brings back our nice memories there.

What a great idea to incorporate LAN’s fifth-freedom route in your itinerary. Nice to see your father enjoying the trip. Somehow I have got the impression that he is into aviation as well.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
to my delight it was Crystal cerveza from Chile   :

Better than Heineken.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
They have a model of the terminal building here on display:

Look! There is a DC-10 as well.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
realized that this would be a good picture):

You have an eye for photography.

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
But instead of just making place they firmly stayed there and even made some commentaries.

Someone should have shouted at them, “Give way or get lost!”

Quoting CaptainRed (Thread starter):
There was a second drink run and I asked for a refill, which was granted without problems and with a smile. All in all the crew was really nice.

Impressive!


Thank you for sharing. Muito obrigado.

Best wishes,
Suryo

Topic: RE: To Lisbon With LAN And TAP: FRA-MAD-LIS
Username: CaptainRed
Posted 2011-10-23 04:17:23 and read 7188 times.

Hi stipica,

Quoting stipica (Reply 16):
Thanks for the efforts ! ... nice introduction to my 10 day trip to Portugal next May ... variety of public transport in Lisbon is a fascinating especially for transportation freak like me

thanks a lot for your replay. I am sure you will have a lot of fun in Portugal, and especially in Lisbon.

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 17):
That LA flight is on my to-do-list since a long time... good to read yet another report on it. Makes me want to do it even more.

Hi LXM83, it is sure an interesting flight. Try it, there are sometimes very good fares available.

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 17):
That's right, and glorious weather you had!

Indeed, the weather was just gorgeous, sunny, warm, but not too hot, just a slight breeze.

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 18):
It was great to read it completely. I went last year to Portugal, it was such a wonderful experience and I agree, TAP was a very pleasant surprise..!

Hi RICARIZA, thanks, glad you liked it.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 19):
What a great idea to incorporate LAN’s fifth-freedom route in your itinerary. Nice to see your father enjoying the trip. Somehow I have got the impression that he is into aviation as well.

Hi Suryo, thanks for your reply. I wanted to try that flight for a long time so that was a good opportunity to do so. My dad isn't that much into aviation, but he likes to travel in general very much.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 19):
Better than Heineken.

  

Quoting akhmad (Reply 19):
Look! There is a DC-10 as well.

Yes, I think that model was build at a time when DC-10s and 727s were still around.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 19):
Impressive!

Indeed, the service was very good at LAN.

CaptainRed


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