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Topic: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-11-29 11:20:30 and read 32767 times.




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Background
July and August are always busy months for me at work, so I decided to book a special weekend trip as a compensation. Even though I had to restrict the trip to Saturday and Sunday, I didn't want to stay in Europe. And I wanted to get at least one widebody and/or one new airline. I focused on the Gulf region, but interesting options were limited. Etihad Airways caught my attention after a while which was offering cheap flights to a number of destinations (e.g. Doha and Bahrain). I already flew on Etihad's A330-200 some years ago, but in mid-August the magnificent A340-600 showed up on the Abu Dhabi-Munich route which was very tempting.

I was about to book a trip to Bahrain (A320, A332 twice, A346), but then I suddenly discovered something else. After rather casually entering "CAI" into the booking search engine, I found a Lufthansa combo on Expedia which not only included a PrivatAir 737-800 (Munich-Cairo), but also an EgyptAir A330-200 (Cairo-Frankfurt). Two new airlines - including a very special one - and a widebody - good flying times and a long layover at FRA = simply perfect! The combo was a bit more expensive than the Etihad option, but I didn't mind at all and quickly booked it. After receiving the booking confirmation, I immediately reserved my desired seats on Lufthansa's website.

But what would a PlaneHunter trip be without domestic flights? Due to the relatively early arrival at Cairo (13:00), I could easily make a domestic round trip before spending the night at a hotel near Cairo Airport. Of course I wanted to include a flight on EgyptAir Express so that I would get another new airline. After searching for a while, it was clear that Luxor would be the most appropriate destination for that mission. I decided to fly CAI-LXR on an EgyptAir A320 and LXR-CAI on EgyptAir Express (Embraer 170). Fares were reasonable - and since Business Class was only slightly more expensive, I secured a seat up front on the A320. By doing so, I would also be able to visit a lounge at Cairo's new Terminal 3.

Unfortunately, EgyptAir didn't accept my MasterCard for any reason when I tried to book the domestic flights on its website. The payment process finally worked fine with my VISA card. Then another problem occurred: Even though there was an option to pre-reserve seats online, it didn't work. It was simply not possible to save my choice of seats. So I wrote a short e-mail to EgyptAir with desired seat numbers. Surprisingly, I quickly received a nice reply with a confirmation of my seat requests.  thumbsup 

Finally, I reserved a room at the Novotel Cairo Airport. Due to my long layover at FRA on the return journey (more than five hours), user LH4532 and I took the chance to arrange a meeting at Terminal 2. No doubt, this weekend looked very promising.





Saturday, August 2011
Munich (MUC) - Cairo (CAI)
Lufthansa LH586, operated by PrivatAir (PTG)
Scheduled times: 09:15-13:00
Actual times: 09:26-13:12
Flight duration: 03:16 (hrs)
Distance: 1630 miles
Economy Class, seat 20F

Boeing 737-8BK
D-APBD (s/n 1667)
First delivered to Sun Country Airlines as N808SY in 03/2005


1st flight on D-APBD
23rd 737-800 flight
33rd 737NG flight
59th 737 flight
121st airline



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Former appearances as N808SY and PH-HSU:


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I had already checked in online on Friday afternoon, so I could go straight to security as soon as I arrived at Terminal 2 on Saturday morning. Even though Lufthansa doesn't allow to check in earlier than 23 hours before departure, I had also received the boarding pass for the Cairo-Frankfurt flight on EgyptAir on Sunday - more than 40 hours before departure!

There were numerous names on the standby list, so it was clear that the flight would be full. Boarding commenced on time without any announcements and a bus brought us to the aircraft. However, doors didn't open until a wheelchair passenger had boarded. As expected, the plane was Boeing 737-8BK D-APBD, first delivered to Sun Country Airlines in March 2005 and transferred to PrivatAir's German subsidiary PrivatAir GmbH in August 2009:


D-APBD was the one and only PrivatAir 737-800 based at MUC for the 2011 summer schedule, operating flights to Cairo, Riyadh and Tashkent. By the end of October, the plane joined its two Frankfurt-based sister ships D-APBB and D-APBC. The trio currently serves Accra, Dammam, Libreville, Point Noire and Pune on behalf of Lufthansa. The term "Operated on behalf of Lufthansa" can be found next to the main door:



The winglet looks huge from that angle:


Even though Lufthansa and PrivatAir designate the three German-registered planes as "Business Jets", they are still more or less regular 737-800s which lack certain features of the real BBJ2s. However, due to the lower number of seats, two overwing emergency exits were deactivated (one on each side), as you can see here:



When I stepped on board, I noticed two female flight attendants in dark blue PrivatAir uniforms. One of them was preparing something for the flight, while her younger colleague could have welcomed the customers. Yes, could have - but she did not consider it necessary to greet or smile. Not a good first impression!  thumbsdown 

The three PrivatAir 737-800s are equipped with 32 Lufthansa Business Class seats and 60 Lufthansa Economy Class seats...



....and the latter ones are the latest models also used on the A380:





Lufthansa offers a 31-inch seat pitch on the A380 which is not overly generous - and there seemed to be even less legroom on this 737:


That was still acceptable for the next 3.5 hours, but these planes also operate flights which last more than twice as long. Of course there's also less elbow space on the 737.

Not surprisingly, the IFE the control unit is fixed in the right armrest. Except for the call and light buttons, the element is identical with the one on the A380:


If you want to compare the interiors, have a look at my Lufthansa A380 reports:
Imperfect Giant: CPT-JNB-FRA On SA A332 & LH A380 (by PlaneHunter Oct 21 2011 in Trip Reports)
Totally Thrilling: Scenic Flight On Lufthansa A380 (by PlaneHunter Aug 5 2010 in Trip Reports)

It took a while until all passengers' belongings were stored safely because the overhead bins had been stuffed quickly. As expected, not a single seat had remained empty in Economy Class. The cabin was in good shape in general, but I discovered some dirt spots here and there:



Headphones:



Safety card and Lufthansa's excellent inflight magazine (including IFE guide):



Parked next to us was D-AILA, Lufthansa's first A319:



The captain announced a flying time of 3 hours and 35 minutes in German and 3 hours and 25 minutes in English - probably the first officer corrected him in between?  Wink The most interesting remark remained the same: "We expect strong winds at landing." Some moments later, the "inflight director" (purser) introduced herself and gave some more details about the flight.

D-APBD was pushed back 11 minutes behind schedule and soon started taxiing to runway 08R:



PrivatAir safety video:



Good old United colors, I will miss them:



Very rare type at the cargo ramp - one of only three active Il-96-400Ts, all of them operated by Polet:



Two very interesting visitors - Royal Thai Air Force 737-400s, registered 99-999 (left) and HS-CMV (11-111):


The presence of both aircraft in August may be related to a very delicate issue: In mid-July, judicial authorities in Munich impounded HS-CMV (allegedly) belonging to Thai Crown Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn. Administrators seized the plane subject to a 20 year old debt of the Thai government to a now-defunct German construction company that had risen to some 30 million euros. The authorities, administering the company's interests in bankruptcy, called this measure a "last resort", while the Thai government, which had never responded to any demands, called the move "highly inappropriate." Two weeks later, the prince's office announced that he would pay the deposit amounting to 20 million euros himself. One day later, the Thai foreign minister confirmed that the government would pay.

Croatia Airlines Dash 8 on short finals:



D-APBD lifted off after a powerful and long takeoff roll...



...and turned south over Erding Air Base:



Three minutes later we were flying under blue skies:



Now it was time to explore the IFE system which is almost exactly the same as the one on the A380. Lufthansa Media World main menu:


I didn't count every single feature, but it seemed that the number of options was almost identical with the number on the A380. On the latter you can choose between 20 movies, 35 TV programs, international news, 30 international radio channels, 115 music CDs and audio books, 9 games, language classes and service information about the flight and Lufthansa. 50 additional movies and almost twice as much CDs are available exclusively for Business and First Class passengers on the A380 - I don't know if that's also the case on the 737-800.

While camera views are certainly not available on the 737, you can enjoy the NiceView airshow:



Real view...



...and NiceView:



Something's seriously wrong here considering that we had left the ground only 18 minutes before...the 737-800 is not as fast as Concorde, is it?  Wink


Additionally, there was another mistake which I didn't notice immediately - the airshow was constantly displaying a wrong destination time. Egypt hadn't switched to summer time this year, so the displayed time difference didn't exist. An airline should really pay attention to such changes in countries which it serves.

It's always a pleasure to cross the Alps:



NiceView again:





About 30 minutes after takeoff the inflight director announced that an aperitif would be offered soon, followed by lunch as well as coffee and tea service. Then one of the two flight attendants passed through the cabin with immigration cards - which she was carrying together with yellow Lufthansa pens on a small tray. When she handed out an immigration card to me, I also asked for a pen like some other passengers had done:



Some minutes later hot towels were distributed. One flight attendant turned out to be very friendly - the other one (who hadn't greeted) remained reserved throughout the whole flight. Finally, about 40 minutes after takeoff, drinks and small pretzels were offered. I was quite thirsty and drank almost the whole cup of orange juice before taking a picture:



Meanwhile we were cruising over Bosnia-Herzegovina. This is the Jablaničko Lake, a large artificially formed lake on the Neretva river:



Not even 20 minutes later we had reached Albania:







Another 20 minutes later we crossed the Greek coastline near Katerini (Central Macedonia):



Better late than never: The flight attendants finally arrived with the lunch trolley and offered a choice of beef and lamb curry. I ordered the latter and got a nice tray:


I love curry dishes of all kinds, but this main course could not impress me. Rice, spinach and meat were alright (except for some fatty pieces), but the sauce was not good - and not spicy at all. The salad and the piece of cake tasted okay, no more, no less. The meal was filling, but it wasn't a culinary highlight.

Numerous islands showed up in the Aegean Sea, including this one:



Skyros is the largest and southernmost island of the Sporades. Due to its strategic location in the middle of the Aegean, the Hellenic Air Force has a major base there:



While checking some IFE options, I discovered very interesting pages which I hadn't seen on Lufthansa before:



This is an electronic menu card!


Even though the listed options weren't entirely correct (e.g. different dessert) in this case, it's nice to see such a feature on Lufthansa which doesn't distribute menu cards on most flights. I'm wondering if it's also actively used on the A380 and other types (with different IFE systems).

No doubt, I could get used to such a 737 interior:



Various care products and a yellow rose - that's what you find in an Economy Class lavatory on PrivatAir:



Descent commenced near the Egyptian coastline:


The captain made an announcement at that point of time, but it was impossible to understand him for acoustic reasons.

It was very hazy down there:



Can you see the Great Pyramids on the Giza Plateau?



Densely populated outskirts:









Interesting complex - does anyone know more about that? I could only find a street name.



We touched down on runway 05R after a flying time of 3 hours and 16 minutes...



...however, according to NiceView, we had come down off the track in the middle of nowhere:



It took a while to reach Terminal 3, but there was a lot to see on the way. This is former Pharaoh Airlines 737-222 SU-PMA rotting in the sand since 2002:


The plane started its career with United Airlines as N9026U in September 1968 and later flew for Euralair, Air Charter, Air Martinique and Air Liberté as F-GCLL. Here are some pictures from better days:


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This is former Alim-Air Lines Il-62M SU-ZDA - impounded in 1997:


The plane was first delivered to Interflug as DDR-SEP in October 1984 and later transferred to Luftwaffe (11+22) and Uzbekistan Airways (UK-86934). Some old pictures from the database:


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These A300 freighters are still active...



...in contrast to former Midwest Airlines A310-304 SU-MWA which made its last flight sometime between mid-2004 and mid-2006:


Airbus delivered the plane to Air Afrique as TU-TAE in September 1992 where it remained active until mid-1998. Almost a year later, Midwest Airlines started operations with that bird. Pictures from better times:


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No worries, EgyptAir 737-566 SU-GBJ is still active:



We finally arrived at our Terminal 3 gate 12 minutes behind schedule. That jetbridge over there is really long, isn't it?



After most passengers had left the plane, I wanted to take a picture of the rear galley and storage area, but the two flight attendants were standing in the way. So I asked the friendly one if I could do so. She was surprised that I was so much interested in that area and I quickly explained why I take pictures of aircraft cabins. Meanwhile a ground stuff member had already entered the galley - and the flight attendant even told him to leave again so that I could take the picture. Nice!  thumbsup 

Here it is - PrivatAir installed additional closets for its long-haul operations:



Lufthansa's standard long-haul Business Class seats can be found in the forward section:






After leaving the aircraft, I went to an EgyptAir transfer desk to check the status of my domestic flights, bought an entry visa ($15) and finally passed immigration. Story to be continued...



Conclusion
It was certainly a special experience to fly on one of PrivatAir's "exotic" 737-800s. These planes are equipped with a real two-class long-haul cabin and the inflight entertainment is even superior to the one on most Lufthansa widebodies. However, even though the latest Lufthansa Economy Class seats have been installed, you find less legroom and less elbow space than on any Lufthansa widebody.
While certain minor amenities are exclusive to PrivatAir, the service provided by the company's crew was not better than on regular Lufthansa flights. One flight attendant wasn't friendly and customer orientated at all - I hadn't noticed such an attitude on any Lufthansa flight in the recent past. Lufthansa's catering was not bad, but not overly good either this time.

Anyway, I'm very glad that I took the chance to fly PrivatAir to Cairo. If you want to try one of its 737-800s on Lufthansa routes in these days, you need to fly to Accra, Dammam, Libreville/Point Noire or Pune which aren't really suitable destinations for a relaxed enthusiast trip.


Best Regards,
PlaneHunter



P.S.: Just in case you missed them - my previous trip reports:
1 Day, 2 Highlights: Big A.net Meeting & LAN A340
Imperfect Giant: CPT-JNB-FRA On SA A332 & LH A380
BA Vs. LCC, African Way: JNB-DUR-CPT, Comair/Mango
Africa's Best Airline? FRA-JNB On SAA A340-600
Fuel Dump & Return To CDG: Enroute To LAX On 9/11
Greek Quality: Aegean, Olympic & Istanbul Spotting
Exploring A Virgin: VS A343/A346 & Dubai Delights
Superb Stübli & Crew: LAS-LAX-ZRH-MUC, LX J Class
Grand Canyon & More: Scenic Flight On Dornier 228
San Francisco Sunshine...and A Frontier Fiasco
Fully Flat Bed to SFO: SWISS' New Business Class
Mountains, Meals & More: SunExpress Vs. Pegasus
Crossing Two Oceans: AKL-SFO-MUC, NZ 777 & LH A346
Bad Weather & Other Bad Luck: Touring New Zealand
Trans-Tasman Treat: Aerolineas Argentinas A340-200
Detours To Sydney: Wildlife, Tiger, REX & QFLink
Thai Fails To Impress: MUC-BKK-BNE On 744 & 777
Painful Delay & My 100th Airline: AF A380, VO F100
Fifth Freedom Tidbit: Kuwait Airways A300-600
Ship Vs. Plane: Porto Santo Line & Sata Air Açores
Awesome Approach, Splendid Scenery: LIS, FNC & TAP
Guernsey, Ash Cloud Alarm & Mostly Empty SQ 77Ws
Totally Thrilling: Scenic Flight On Lufthansa A380
Cirrus D38, Adria CRJ & Captain Niki Lauda On Duty
Monarch Hot Meal, E195 & More: PMI-ALC-MAN-MUC
Premium Meal & Palma Spotting: MUC-PMI, DE 757-300
The Dead Slow Transfer: PEK-MUC On Air China A332
Cancellation Brings Joy: HKG-PEK on Dragonair A330
A380 Cacophony, 777 Star Livery: DXB-SIN-HKG on SQ
The Next 5* Carrier? MUC-MCT-DXB, Oman Air A330
Turkey For 1.5 Hrs: Daytrip To AYT On Sky Airlines
CO Scores Again: ATL-IAH-EWR-FRA On ERJ, 752 & 764
Riding The Ultra Long-Haul Twin: Delta 777-200LR
Pacific Coast Jaunt: 3 Carriers, E120, E140 & Fog
The Ultimate 737: LHR-IAH-PDX On CO 777 & 739ER
Bye Bye, Hell! TRD-OSL-TXL-NUE - DY/AB/HE DH4
My Trip To Hell: NUE-CPH-OSL-TRD On Cimber & SAS
SFO-YUL-FRA: Map- & Sleepless On Air Canada's 77W
Sin City Gloss & Virgin America's Chic First Class
Seat Dilemma & Canyon Glamour: FRA To LAX, AC 763
On Par With Air France? DTW-AMS-MUC, KLM A330
Goodbye, Red Tails! DC-9-40/50 & Chicago Tour
Champagne & World Of Coke: Air France A340 To ATL
"Mission A380": Disappointing Legs On BA/BD/EI
Delights Of Doha, 773 & 77W: DOH-DXB-LHR On EK
A380 Really a Step Forward? LHR-DXB-DOH On EK
Quality & Style: HKG-LHR On Air New Zealand 744
Taiwan Trio: TransAsia, UNI Air And The Taipei 101
"The Wings Of Taiwan": EVA Air A332, 744 Combi
SHA-SZX, Shanghai 757: Delayed By The Military
PEK-SHA, China Eastern A330 & Shanghai At Night
Striking Newcomer: Berlin-Beijing On Hainan A330
Short & Splendid: MXP-MUC On Air Dolomiti's 146
3 Hours On Blue1: HEL-MXP On The MD-90
Winglets On A Classic: MUC-RIX-HEL On Air Baltic
BCN-MAD-ZRH-MUC: UX Shuttle Meets Swiss Quality
MUC-MAD-BCN: Star MD-87 & The Pain Of Vueling
Low Fares, Lovely Island: AK & Best Of Langkawi
4 Stars Or 5 Stars? FRA-KUL-FRA, Malaysia 777s
First And Last Time? JFK-FCO-MUC, Alitalia 777
JFK For 1 Day: Transatlantic Hop On CSA's A310
Sardinian Sun, Shiny New 73Gs & Cramped Mad Dog
Top And Flop: KIX-HEL-MUC, Finnair A320 & MD-11
The 524-Seat Twin-jet: HND-ITM On ANA 777-300
Kobe For 1 Hour: 767-Quickie On ANA & Skymark
Rocketing To Tokyo: FUK-HND On JAL (ex-JAS) 777
Oddities & Okinawa: JTA 734 & JAL 744D(Domestic)
MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Mad Dog, A320 Tech Delay & Best Of Lanzarote
Canaries Prop-Hopping: Islas Airways & Naysa
Canaries And Confusion: LH CRJ900 & Spanair A321
Hubbing For 162 Miles: HOQ-FRA-STR Ret On IQ/EW/LH
BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777
ATL-PIT-JFK-BOS: FL B717, JetBlue E190 And Delays
MUC-AMS-MEM-ATL On NWA A332 And 40-year-old DC-9
FRA-BKK-FRA Via CMB: SriLankan A332 & A343
BNE-SIN-DXB-MUC On Emirates B772ER & B773
2 Hours In Paradise: Hamilton Island (JQ/DJ)
BNE-SYD-BNE: Domestic Run On QF’s Oldest B747-400
Testing Qantas: SYD-MEL-SYD-BNE (B738, B763, A332)
Going Down Under: MUC-DXB-SYD On EK A332 & A345
Surprised By NIKI's Newest A320 & Screw-up By AB
Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels
"betterFly" On LH: Business Class For 99 Euro
Weekend Transatlantic Trip (2): US A321 & B762
Transatlantic For A Weekend (1): MUC-DCA On US


[Edited 2011-11-29 12:05:22]

Topic: RE: Long-haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: ronerone
Posted 2011-11-29 11:48:50 and read 32767 times.

Excellent report PH!

I think this is my favorite PrivatAir report to date. LH's Y class product seems top notch on this service, and as pointed out in your TR, it is as new as that on their A380's!

And as for the meals, while the quality may not have been so good, the presentation was immaculate and everything looked great on picture! ..

Wow .. i am so impressed actually!

Were the crew wearing LH's uniform or PrivatAir's?


Many thanks for sharing! So glad to catch a TR soon after it's posted hahaha

Cheers,
Roni

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: Luxair747SP
Posted 2011-11-29 11:50:44 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

very nice TR about a very special flight.
I think this is the first report about the new cabin on Privat air.
It for sure is one of the best narrow body cabins out there.
The service looked very LH standard and I think they could do it a bit more individual like EN is also doing.
With so few passengers, I think they could have done more service wise like the drink run quicker after departure.
Thanks a lot for sharing.
Cheers
Johannes

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: LH4532
Posted 2011-11-29 11:51:36 and read 32767 times.

Hello PlaneHunter ,

I have been waiting quite a long time for the first part of your Trip Report series . It was a very enjoyable read for me after a lond day of school .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Fares were reasonable

Always very nice finding reasonable fares !!!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I had already checked in online on Friday afternoon

I can´t wait to do my OLCI this Friday . It sure is a great way to travel   .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I ordered the latter and got a nice tray

It looks very tasty . Good decision , PlaneHunter !!!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Meanwhile a ground stuff member had already entered the galley - and the flight attendant even told him to leave again so that I could take the picture. Nice!

That is very nice of her doing that .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Due to my long layover at FRA on the return journey (more than five hours), user LH4532 and I took the chance to arrange a meeting at Terminal 2. No doubt, this weekend looked very promising.

I remember how we planned to meet at FRA that day   .


Thank you for writing this TR . It was worth the long time waiting for it . I am very looking forward to the next part .


Cheers ,

Daniel ( LH4532 )

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: infodesk
Posted 2011-11-29 11:54:52 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

Hats off to you. After your 3 night jaunt to SA, here you are just flying to Egypt for the weekend and you throw a domestic flight in there too. Love it!

Thanks for this insight into Privatair. I don't know much about them, apart from the 737 they use between ZRH-EWR with an all C-Class configuration. I didn't realise they had aircraft with Y-class as well. Whilst the business looks nice, I was surprised to see the economy seats tightly packed like that. There should be a notable difference to the standard LH flights which didn't seem to be the case on this leg. So, does that mean LH are doing an excellent job or Privatair a not so good one?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Something's seriously wrong here considering that we had left the ground only 18 minutes before...the 737-800 is not as fast as Concorde, is it?
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
however, according to NiceView, we came down off the track in the middle of nowhere:

These errors really make me smile, it's just a question of capturing them on camera at the right moment.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Skyros is the largest and southernmost island of the Sporades. Due to its strategic location in the middle of the Aegean, the Hellenic Air Force has a major base there:

Wow, what a great shot. I'm a sucker for the Greek islands anyway, but that is one impressive runway location.

Looking forward to reading about the domestic flights.

Happy flying
Infodesk   

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: globalflyer
Posted 2011-11-29 12:05:06 and read 32767 times.

Excellent TR and excellent pictures. I do wonder why LH uses PrivatAir for a dual class service? Do they just not have enough airplanes? I could understand if it was an all JCL configuration.

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: stipica
Posted 2011-11-29 12:08:04 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH ! ... Cairo   ... hmmm PrivatAir equipment on such a short route ... unique report ... stipica

Pharaoh Airlines 737-222 SU-PMA ? strange ... you probably know what happened ...

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: Palmjet
Posted 2011-11-29 12:19:09 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH

Superb report. Fantastic pics as well - the best ones I have seen on here of the approach into CAI. Clear and crisp despite the haze.

Nice to see the wrecks all around the airport as well - did you see any others on this trip? Sad to see that 732 rotting away.

Nice to see a review of this exotic flight. Interesting to see how the interior is fitted out. Shame you had one surly flight attendant - which can really spoil it. Great stuff - looking forward to reading about your other flights on this trip too - especially the E170 flight!

Thanks again - P/jet

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: flightsimboy
Posted 2011-11-29 12:25:36 and read 32767 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
July and August are always busy months for me at work, so I decided to book a special weekend trip as a compensation. Even though I had to restrict the trip to Saturday and Sunday, I didn't want to stay in Europe

Say What!! PH you truly amaze me with these getaways of yours, which usually has you spending just a night in some place, while the rest of the trip is spent flying. Normal getaways mean getting to a place, staying at least two nights then flying out lol. I'm just curious, do not immigration at these airports question you when they see you practically arrive and leave the country within 24 hours, or perhaps even on the same day, that is when you don't actually spend a night there. Not sure if you actually left on the same day with other trips, but within 24 hours would certainly raise some eyebrows at some airports

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
but in mid-August the magnificent A340-600 showed up on the Abu Dhabi-Munich route which was very tempting.

Ooh, that would have made an interesting read, not forgetting a trip report on my favourite aircraft, as you know!!!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
But what would a PlaneHunter trip be without domestic flights? Due to the relatively early arrival at Cairo (13:00), I could easily make a domestic round trip before spending the night at a hotel near Cairo Airport.

And get that much needed sleep!!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The three PrivatAir 737-800s are equipped with 32 Lufthansa Business Class seats and 60 Lufthansa Economy Class seats...

I always thought PrivatAir jets were all business class aircraft. I guess it still gets the Lufthansa name promoted at destinations that Lufthansa would not otherwise service.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The presence of both aircraft in August may be related to a very delicate issue: In mid-July, judicial authorities in Munich impounded HS-CMV (allegedly) belonging to Thai Crown Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn. Administrators seized the plane subject to a 20 year old debt of the Thai government to a now-defunct German construction company that had risen to some 30 million euros. The authorities, administering the company's interests in bankruptcy, called this measure a "last resort", while the Thai government, which had never responded to any demands, called the move "highly inappropriate." Two weeks later, the prince's office announced that he would pay the deposit amounting to 20 million euros himself. One day later, the Thai foreign minister confirmed that the government would pay.

Interesting information.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
When she handed out an immigration card to me, I also asked for a pen like some other passengers had done:

Did not the PrivatAir jet have the usual LH postcards at the back of the plane, considering they were using LH pens on board.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I love curry dishes of all kinds, but this main course could not impress me. Rice, spinach and meat were alright (except for some fatty pieces), but the sauce was not good - and not spicy at all. The salad and the piece of cake tasted okay, no more, no less. The meal was filling, but it wasn't a culinary highlight.

I don't think all curry dishes by default are supposed to be spicy! I know Middle Eastern cuisine is more on the less spicy side, so it was probably catered to that clientele. There is an Arab dish that is made up of rice and spinach that was served on my Etihad flight, so I am assuming that was the same rice you got, and perhaps a Middle Eastern curry dish. Unless of course it was advertised as an Indian curry dish and did not live up to it's name.

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: FLIEGER67
Posted 2011-11-29 12:35:26 and read 32767 times.

Hi, PH,

what a nice evening read, well done.
Such a good idea to catch that PrivatAir flight, looks like much more interesting than the other flights on offer.
Also nice pictures.
Looking forward to the next part.

Greetings,
Markus(FLIEGER67)

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: ROGERBCN
Posted 2011-11-29 12:46:44 and read 32767 times.

Hola PlaneHunter!

Another great TR of yours.... excellent, as usual.

Your pictures are definitely great, depicting everything one should consider when taking a flight.

I am really impressed about that plane, taking a flight all the way to Pune must be a real pain with such a legroom on a narrow body. I thought Privatair only catered to business passengers, as I thought all their planes were configured on a single C class cabin, but I was wrong.... thanks for the information.

The mistakes on the IFE are really funny, they should consider fixing these things, it gives a sense of disaffection to customers not appropriate for LH.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
she did not consider it necessary to greet or smile. Not a good first impression!

This is another aspect that really annoys me, too bad, she did not even greet customers when boarding; this idea of having the feeling that she is doing you a favor when flying on the plane she is working is particularly annoying and a sign that maybe someone is not doing her job properly.

Looking forward to reading your adventures on the domestic flight and your return home.

Salut!

Roger

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: sultanils
Posted 2011-11-29 12:56:51 and read 32767 times.

Hi PlaneHunter,

Very cool report and great job on getting on this rather exclusive aircraft. I think the cabin looks fresh and modern but I understand the overall impression of 'lack of space'. It's still a 737 after all... Any idea what the longest flight in this config is: probably more medium-haul then long-haul?
Catering looks nice and the IFE as well, as we come to expect from LH, right?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I found a Lufthansa combo on Expedia which not only included a PrivatAir 737-800 (Munich-Cairo), but also an EgyptAir A330-200 (Cairo-Frankfurt).

That's a really great combo. I'm very curious about the EgyptAir flight as well, but that's one of the next stories I believe  

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
and Pune on behalf of Lufthansa

In my latest TR I took a pic of a PrivatAir plane as well and that one was going to Pune.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I ordered the latter and got a nice tray:

It looks good, too bad the taste was not really to your linking.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
This is an electronic menu card!

A nice feature. Is it new and was it hard to find (ie hidden in a 'sub menu' - pun intended  )?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Here it is - PrivatAir installed additional closets for its long-haul operations:

That seems to take up quite some extra space, I wonder what's in all those closets... Is there a crew rest area as well you think?

Sultanils

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-11-29 13:10:03 and read 32767 times.

Quoting ronerone (Reply 1):
Excellent report PH!
Quoting ronerone (Reply 1):
I think this is my favorite PrivatAir report to date.

Hi Roni, thanks so much for your nice comments! I'm glad you liked it.

Quoting ronerone (Reply 1):
LH's Y class product seems top notch on this service, and as pointed out in your SA Linhas Aereas">TR, it is as new as that on their A380's!

  

Quoting ronerone (Reply 1):
And as for the meals, while the quality may not have been so good, the presentation was immaculate and everything looked great on picture! ..

Yes, I cannot complain about the presensation.

Quoting ronerone (Reply 1):
Were the crew wearing LH's uniform or PrivatAir's?

Dark blue PrivatAir uniforms.

Quoting ronerone (Reply 1):
So glad to catch a SA Linhas Aereas">TR soon after it's posted hahaha

Yes, you were very fast this time!  
Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 2):
very nice SA Linhas Aereas">TR about a very special flight.

Thanks a lot, Johannes!

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 2):
I think this is the first report about the new cabin on Privat air.

I have only seen PrivatAir Business Class reports here.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 2):
It for sure is one of the best narrow body cabins out there.

That's true.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 2):
The service looked very LH standard and I think they could do it a bit more individual like EN is also doing.
Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 2):
With so few passengers, I think they could have done more service wise like the drink run quicker after departure.

Yes, you are absolutely right. But I guess LH doesn't want to see a significantly different product/service on these planes.

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 3):
I have been waiting quite a long time for the first part of your Trip Report series . It was a very enjoyable read for me after a lond day of school .

Hi Daniel, thank you very much for your feedback! Very good to hear you enjoyed reading.

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 3):
I can´t wait to do my OLCI this Friday . It sure is a great way to travel

   I hope you'll have a nice trip.

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 3):
It looks very tasty

Well, it looked better than it tasted.

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 3):
That is very nice of her doing that .

Absolutely!

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 3):
I remember how we planned to meet at FRA that day

I was very glad that you immediately offered to come to FRA!

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 3):
Thank you for writing this SA Linhas Aereas">TR . It was worth the long time waiting for it . I am very looking forward to the next part .

Thanks again, Daniel. It will take some time until the next part is ready.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 4):
Thanks for this insight into Privatair.

Hi Hannah, many thanks for your reply!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 4):
Hats off to you. After your 3 night jaunt to SA, here you are just flying to Egypt for the weekend and you throw a domestic flight in there too. Love it!

Well, I wouldn't want to do that all the time...  

Quoting infodesk (Reply 4):
I didn't realise they had aircraft with Y-class as well.

PrivatAir used to fly J-Class-only planes for LH, but that changed in 2009.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 4):
I was surprised to see the economy seats tightly packed like that.

Some more legroom would be welcome.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 4):
There should be a notable difference to the standard LH flights which didn't seem to be the case on this leg. So, does that mean LH are doing an excellent job or Privatair a not so good one?

Probably I had bad luck with that reserved flight attendant - the other one was very nice. As for the product in general - I guess LH doesn't want to see a significant difference.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 4):
These errors really make me smile, it's just a question of capturing them on camera at the right moment.

  

Quoting infodesk (Reply 4):
Wow, what a great shot. I'm a sucker for the Greek islands anyway, but that is one impressive runway location.

That's what I thought, too.

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 5):
Excellent SA Linhas Aereas">TR and excellent pictures.

Hi William, thanks a lot for your comments!

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 5):
I do wonder why LH uses PrivatAir for a dual class service? Do they just not have enough airplanes? I could understand if it was an all JCL configuration.

I guess these 737s are very useful on routes where it doesn't make sense to operate widebodies. But yes, the question is if it makes sense to offer two classes. Let's wait and see what happens.

Quoting stipica (Reply 6):
Hi PH ! ... Cairo ... hmmm PrivatAir equipment on such a short route ... unique report ...

Hi Stipica, thanks for your reply. I'm glad you liked it.

Quoting stipica (Reply 6):
Pharaoh Airlines 737-222 SU-PMA ? strange ... you probably know what happened ...

The airline went out of business in 2002 - and the plane was parted out.

Quoting Palmjet (Reply 7):
Superb report. Fantastic pics as well - the best ones I have seen on here of the approach into CAI. Clear and crisp despite the haze.

Hi Palmjet, thanks a lot for your nice comments!

Quoting Palmjet (Reply 7):
Nice to see the wrecks all around the airport as well - did you see any others on this trip?

Yes, in the distance.

Quoting Palmjet (Reply 7):
Sad to see that 732 rotting away.

  

Quoting Palmjet (Reply 7):
Nice to see a review of this exotic flight. Interesting to see how the interior is fitted out.

Yes, that interior is really special.

Quoting Palmjet (Reply 7):
. Shame you had one surly flight attendant - which can really spoil it.

That's true!

Quoting Palmjet (Reply 7):
Great stuff - looking forward to reading about your other flights on this trip too - especially the E170 flight!

Thanks again! That EgyptAir report will be a long one...

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 8):
Say What!! PH you truly amaze me with these getaways of yours, which usually has you spending just a night in some place, while the rest of the trip is spent flying. Normal getaways mean getting to a place, staying at least two nights then flying out lol.

Hi flightsimboy, thanks for your reply! Well, what I do can be called PlaneHunting.  

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 8):
I'm just curious, do not immigration at these airports question you when they see you practically arrive and leave the country within 24 hours, or perhaps even on the same day, that is when you don't actually spend a night there. Not sure if you actually left on the same day with other trips, but within 24 hours would certainly raise some eyebrows at some airports

Believe it or not, that has never been a problem. In most cases the officers don't ask how long I intend to stay. Two years ago, when I flew LEJ-AYT-LEJ with a ground time of about two hours and I had been a bit concerned, but the officers didn't ask anything...

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 8):
Ooh, that would have made an interesting read, not forgetting a trip report on my favourite aircraft, as you know!!!

I know you would have loved to read about EY's A346!

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 8):
And get that much needed sleep!!

  

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 8):
I always thought PrivatAir jets were all business class aircraft. I guess it still gets the Lufthansa name promoted at destinations that Lufthansa would not otherwise service.

PrivatAir flies on routes where LH's widebodies would be too big.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 8):
Did not the PrivatAir jet have the usual LH postcards at the back of the plane, considering they were using LH pens on board.

No, I didn't see any postcards.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 8):

I don't think all curry dishes by default are supposed to be spicy! I know Middle Eastern cuisine is more on the less spicy side, so it was probably catered to that clientele.

Well, I wasn't expecting to get a really hot meal. But it could have been a little bit spicy.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 9):
what a nice evening read, well done.
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 9):
Also nice pictures.

Hi Markus, thanks for your comments!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 9):
Such a good idea to catch that PrivatAir flight, looks like much more interesting than the other flights on offer.

  

Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 10):
Another great SA Linhas Aereas">TR of yours.... excellent, as usual.
Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 10):
Your pictures are definitely great, depicting everything one should consider when taking a flight.

Hola Roger! Thank you very much for your feedback! I'm glad you liked it.

Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 10):
I am really impressed about that plane, taking a flight all the way to Pune must be a real pain with such a legroom on a narrow body.

That's what I thought, too.

Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 10):
I thought Privatair only catered to business passengers, as I thought all their planes were configured on a single C class cabin, but I was wrong.... thanks for the information.

I was also quite surprised when I read about the two-class configuration for the first time.

Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 10):
The mistakes on the IFE are really funny, they should consider fixing these things, it gives a sense of disaffection to customers not appropriate for LH.

  

Quoting ROGERBCN (Reply 10):
This is another aspect that really annoys me, too bad, she did not even greet customers when boarding; this idea of having the feeling that she is doing you a favor when flying on the plane she is working is particularly annoying and a sign that maybe someone is not doing her job properly.

Yes, I can only agree.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
Very cool report and great job on getting on this rather exclusive aircraft.

Many thanks, Nils! Good to hear you enjoyed reading.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
I think the cabin looks fresh and modern but I understand the overall impression of 'lack of space'. It's still a 737 after all...

Yes, absolutely true - it's still a 737!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
Any idea what the longest flight in this config is: probably more medium-haul then long-haul?

Pune is the most distant destination. The return flights stop at OTP, btw.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
Catering looks nice and the IFE as well, as we come to expect from LH, right?

  

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
That's a really great combo. I'm very curious about the EgyptAir flight as well, but that's one of the next stories I believe

There's a lot to tell about these EgyptAir flights...

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
Is it new and was it hard to find (ie hidden in a 'sub menu' - pun intended

Well, I found it after the meal service...  

Quoting sultanils (Reply 11):
That seems to take up quite some extra space, I wonder what's in all those closets... Is there a crew rest area as well you think?

No crew rest, but I guess they store all kinds of stuff in these closets. There's not much space in a 737 for long-haul equipment.


PH

[Edited 2011-11-29 13:25:03]

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: deltamartin
Posted 2011-11-29 13:11:17 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH!

Great tripreport! Some really nice photos aswell!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I found a Lufthansa combo on Expedia which not only included a PrivatAir 737-800 (Munich-Cairo), but also an EgyptAir A330-200 (Cairo-Frankfurt). Two new airlines - including a very special one - and a widebody - good flying times and a long layover at FRA = simply perfect!

Sounds like a really nice trip!

It was very interesting to read about your PrivatAir adventure. I somehow like the idea of putting longhaul equipment on a shorthaul aircraft, especially when it's the same hard product as the "real" longhaul cabins.

Really like the info regarding the aircrafts in CAI.

Looking forward to the next part!

Martin

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-11-29 13:16:20 and read 32767 times.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 13):
Great tripreport! Some really nice photos aswell!
Quoting deltamartin (Reply 13):
It was very interesting to read about your PrivatAir adventure.

Hi Martin, thanks a lot for your feedback! Good to hear you liked it!

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 13):
Sounds like a really nice trip!

Very short, but still very enjoyable.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 13):
. I somehow like the idea of putting longhaul equipment on a shorthaul aircraft, especially when it's the same hard product as the "real" longhaul cabins.

I can only agree.


PH

[Edited 2011-11-29 13:18:39]

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: EuroWings
Posted 2011-11-29 13:31:38 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

Really enjoyed reading this report - as always with a detailed narrative and great pictures! I was wondering what PrivatAir would be like in economy.

The product on the 737s looks to be of a high standard (equal to the LH A380!), however perhaps it would become a little tedious flying on such an aircraft to Pune in economy.

It's a shame about that one disinterested member of cabin crew, although I find that can occasionally happen on even the best airlines, the rest of the crew sound quite friendly and pleasant from your report!

I notice that the airlines contracting PrivatAir have changed recently. I see that KLM have discontinued using them, and Swiss will do the same from next year. However, they will be flying on behalf of Gulf Air now from GVA to BAH!

Thanks
EuroWings

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: LH4116
Posted 2011-11-29 13:37:09 and read 32767 times.

Hey PH, great report! Nice that you finally managed to put it up. Guessing you too have quite a backlog, just like Eric and Markus  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Fares were reasonable - and since Business Class was only slightly more expensive, I secured a seat up front on the A320. By doing so, I would also be able to visit a lounge at Cairo's new Terminal 3.

Now that's not something we hear everyday. Nice to get some extra value for those money! How many extra miles did you earn?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I had also received the boarding pass for the Cairo-Frankfurt flight on EgyptAir on Sunday - more than 40 hours before departure!

That's really interesting. Daniel also had the same "issue" when he flew LH at that same time. Perhaps some IT malfunctioning.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Yes, could have - but she did not consider it necessary to greet or smile. Not a good first impression!

Not a good way to start the flight indeed, although this is something one would've at least expect from AF or LHI, not Privatair...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Parked next to us was D-AILA, Lufthansa's first A319:

I don't log regs, but this one I've actually flown! And it was waaay back in January 2000

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
This is an electronic menu card!

Hmm, I misread the name of that lamb curry dish as "Deep fried Sultanils" hehe. But still, that's a very nice touch and it saves both effort and money for the airline, and provides extra service for the passengers. It's not too often we get to know what exact food is being served in Y, hence why many people still see Y food as something notorious. Hopefully people will change their attitudes as more airlines introduce this!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Various care products and a yellow rose - that's what you find in an Economy Class lavatory on PrivatAir:

That's another great touch! Perhaps it was just old leftovers from back in the days when these aircraft used to operate with full premium cabins.

Thanks for sharing!
//Jonas

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: flightsimboy
Posted 2011-11-29 13:38:20 and read 32767 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
Hi flightsimboy, thanks for your reply! Well, what I do can be called PlaneHunting.

And I rightfully called you a plane "Hunter" in an another trip report lol

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 35):
Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 31):
Plane Hunter, reading all these reports one after another is really making me think of you as a plane "Hunter" indeed. . All these exotic carriers, all these long haul trips and some trips that are a day, and some long hauls just a few days all in an attempt to get on board various airlines and planes!! You are truly a.net's "Hunter". Keep on hunting!!!

Hi flightsimboy, many thanks for your feedback!

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-11-29 13:52:24 and read 32767 times.

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 15):
Really enjoyed reading this report - as always with a detailed narrative and great pictures!

Many thanks for your reply, EuroWings! I'm glad you enjoyed reading.

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 15):
The product on the 737s looks to be of a high standard (equal to the LH A380!), however perhaps it would become a little tedious flying on such an aircraft to Pune in economy.

I agree, it's a long flight to Pune! And the return flight even stops at OTP.

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 15):
It's a shame about that one disinterested member of cabin crew, although I find that can occasionally happen on even the best airlines, the rest of the crew sound quite friendly and pleasant from your report!

That's true, it can indeed happen on the best airlines.

Quoting EuroWings (Reply 15):
I notice that the airlines contracting PrivatAir have changed recently. I see that KLM have discontinued using them, and Swiss will do the same from next year. However, they will be flying on behalf of Gulf Air now from GVA to BAH!

Yes, I noticed that. It's also interesting that the 73G operating for Gulf Air has been painted in full colors, unlike all the other aircraft. Beautiful plane:


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Photo © Stéphane Mutzenberg



Btw - did you know that PrivatAir now operates a 733 for ECAir which is based at Brazzaville?

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
Hey PH, great report! Nice that you finally managed to put it up.

Thanks for your comments Jonas, good to hear from you!

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
Guessing you too have quite a backlog, just like Eric and Markus

Yes, I still have a few reports to write in the next weeks, but it's not as bad as it used to be.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
Now that's not something we hear everyday. Nice to get some extra value for those money! How many extra miles did you earn?

You shouldn't have asked...  
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
That's really interesting. Daniel also had the same "issue" when he flew LH at that same time. Perhaps some IT malfunctioning.

Interesting - that could be an explanation.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
I don't log regs, but this one I've actually flown! And it was waaay back in January 2000

Nice! You should start logging registrations. It's fun!

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
Hmm, I misread the name of that lamb curry dish as "Deep fried Sultanils" hehe.

Good one!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
But still, that's a very nice touch and it saves both effort and money for the airline, and provides extra service for the passengers.

I can only agree. But they should have made an announcement about the electronic menu card.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
Hopefully people will change their attitudes as more airlines introduce this!

  

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 16):
That's another great touch! Perhaps it was just old leftovers from back in the days when these aircraft used to operate with full premium cabins.

Yes, probably. Could be standard on PrivatAir.

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 17):
And I rightfully called you a plane "Hunter" in an another trip report lol

   I liked that!


PH

[Edited 2011-11-29 13:53:23]

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: volvair
Posted 2011-11-29 14:35:19 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

thank you very much for this great tripreport. This is certainly one of the most exotic flights there are ex-MUC on a LH flight number. I very much appreciate the insight into PrivatAir's ops for LH. Made me realize that I really have not been on track with them.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
5 and transferred to PrivatAir's German subsidiary PrivatAir GmbH in August 2009:

I did not know that they had a German subsidiary! I also was surprised the aircraft had a German registration. What about the crew (Cockpit & F/As): Could you tell from their accent if they were German or Swiss?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
"We expect strong winds at landing."

And, did you encouter some strong winds then?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
When she handed out an immigration card to me, I also asked for a pen like some other passengers had done

Uuh it's yellow. On my LH flights this year I only got blue ones  



I really enjoyed your short history lessons of those old planes resting in the Egyptian sand.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
This is former Pharaoh Airlines 737-222 SU-PMA rotting in the sand since 2002:

Its doors are open... I really wonder how it looks on the inside after so many years in the desert.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
former Midwest Airlines A310-304 SU-MWA

This frame sure had a short life...


Looking forward to your domestic reports now!

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: gabrielchew
Posted 2011-11-29 14:46:09 and read 32767 times.

Very intersting report, thanks for posting! I'm surpised that LH has this on such a short route when similar (but longer routes) like FRA-BEY and FRA-LCA are served with a standard A321.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The presence of both aircraft in August may be related to a very delicate issue: In mid-July, judicial authorities in Munich impounded HS-CMV (allegedly) belonging to Thai Crown Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn. Administrators seized the plane subject to a 20 year old debt of the Thai government to a now-defunct German construction company that had risen to some 30 million euros. The authorities, administering the company's interests in bankruptcy, called this measure a "last resort", while the Thai government, which had never responded to any demands, called the move "highly inappropriate." Two weeks later, the prince's office announced that he would pay the deposit amounting to 20 million euros himself. One day later, the Thai foreign minister confirmed that the government would pay.

Interesting story. Always a good measure of a good government to see how they pay their international dues.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Various care products and a yellow rose - that's what you find in an Economy Class lavatory on PrivatAir:

Nice amenities for Y

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
...however, according to NiceView, we had come down off the track in the middle of nowhere:

Same as landing on the new runway in PVG - you land in a swamp!

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: WestJet747
Posted 2011-11-29 17:12:56 and read 32767 times.

Another great TR Planehunter!...and another great distraction from law class   Very interesting to see PrivatAir interior and service. Thanks!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
When she handed out an immigration card to me, I also asked for a pen like some other passengers had done

I wish more airlines did this! When I fly for leisure I often don't carry any writing utensils. They're also a great take-away from the trip!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
This is former Pharaoh Airlines 737-222 SU-PMA rotting in the sand since 2002

Airfleets indicates this aircraft as stored since 2004. I guess everyone has a different idea of "stored"  

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: 767747
Posted 2011-11-29 18:49:39 and read 32767 times.

Good report, PlaneHunter!

Looks like you had a nice flight with Privatair. The food and service on the flight looked to be really nice! That desert cake looks tasty !  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
It was simply not possible to save my choice of seats. So I wrote a short e-mail to EgyptAir with desired seat numbers. Surprisingly, I quickly received a nice reply with a confirmation of my seat requests. thumbsup

Very impressive. Did not know you could email a seat request!

Matthew

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: aflyingkiwi
Posted 2011-11-29 20:37:38 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

As usual a great report complete with fantastic photo's. Privatair seem to offer a pretty good product, the cabin looks pretty good though I'm not impressed by the legroom. I don't think I'd want to stay in that cabin for 7-8 hours. Shame that the meal wasn't to your liking but the presentation doesn't look too bad.

Looking forward to your Egyptair reports!

Regards,
aflyingkiwi

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: Lufthansa747
Posted 2011-11-29 22:24:49 and read 32767 times.

Great report as usual but nothing else expected from you. I had only seen pics of somewhat older style all-C cabins on PrivatAir.

As for being questioned for your length of stay, I guess that's a US/Canada/Australia/NZ exclusive if you hold a developed country passport...  And UK I suppose with a non-EU passport.

Of course a different story with Philippine/Thai/etc. passports. I was once told by TG crew that they have people being deported on every flight after being refused entry at Incheon.

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: The777Man
Posted 2011-11-29 22:53:11 and read 32767 times.

Hi PlaneHunter!

Thanks for yet another excellent report with excellent pictures !

Nice to see to get on another airline and especially a very rare one like PrivatAir!

The cabin looks great for a narrow body but too bad that the legroom is not so great.

The meal looks great so disappointing that it did not match the looks of it.

Great pictures from CAI !

Looking forward to the rest of this series!

The777Man

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-11-29 23:02:30 and read 32767 times.

Quoting volvair (Reply 19):
thank you very much for this great tripreport.
Quoting volvair (Reply 19):
I very much appreciate the insight into PrivatAir's ops for LH.

Servus volvair, thanks for your feedback! Good to hear you enjoyed it.

Quoting volvair (Reply 19):
This is certainly one of the most exotic flights there are ex-MUC on a LH flight number.

 checkmark  Too bad it doesn't exist any more.


Quoting volvair (Reply 19):
What about the crew (Cockpit & F/As): Could you tell from their accent if they were German or Swiss?

They were all Germans.

Quoting volvair (Reply 19):
And, did you encouter some strong winds then?

Not really - it was a bit windy, that's it. Conditions must have improved since our departure.

Quoting volvair (Reply 19):
I really enjoyed your short history lessons of those old planes resting in the Egyptian sand.

Good to know! I liked the database pictures from former times which you posted in your last report - I thought it would also be suitable in this case. You inspired me!

Quoting volvair (Reply 19):
Its doors are open... I really wonder how it looks on the inside after so many years in the desert.

We need some cabin shots!  

Quoting volvair (Reply 19):
This frame sure had a short life...

Definitely - the poor bird is not even 20 years old.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 20):
Very intersting report, thanks for posting!

Thank you, Gabriel!

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 20):
I'm surpised that LH has this on such a short route when similar (but longer routes) like FRA-BEY and FRA-LCA are served with a standard A321.
MUC-CAI is also operated by A321s now. That's what I call a downgrade!

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 20):
Interesting story. Always a good measure of a good government to see how they pay their international dues.

  

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 20):
Same as landing on the new runway in PVG - you land in a swamp!

Ah, good to know!

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 21):
Another great TR Planehunter!...and another great distraction from law class Very interesting to see PrivatAir interior and service. Thanks!

Many thanks for your reply, Scott!

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 21):
I wish more airlines did this! When I fly for leisure I often don't carry any writing utensils. They're also a great take-away from the trip!

I can only agree. Actually I hadn't seen such a distribution of pens before.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 21):
Airfleets indicates this aircraft as stored since 2004. I guess everyone has a different idea of "stored"

I rely on ATDB (www.aerotransport.org), but sometimes you never know. Pharaoh Airlines went out of business in 2002 according to ATDB. However, I have also read that it operated until 2003.

Quoting 767747 (Reply 22):
Good report, PlaneHunter!

Thank you, Matthew!

Quoting 767747 (Reply 22):
Very impressive. Did not know you could email a seat request!

I just sent the mail to the reservations department, I wasn't sure whether it would work.

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 23):
As usual a great report complete with fantastic photo's.

Many thanks, aflyingkiwi!

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 23):
I don't think I'd want to stay in that cabin for 7-8 hours.

Exactly my opinion!

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 23):
Shame that the meal wasn't to your liking but the presentation doesn't look too bad.

  

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 24):
Great report as usual but nothing else expected from you. I had only seen pics of somewhat older style all-C cabins on PrivatAir.

Hi Lari, thanks so much! Always good to see you here.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 24):
As for being questioned for your length of stay, I guess that's a US/Canada/Australia/NZ exclusive if you hold a developed country passport... And UK I suppose with a non-EU passport.

You are certainly know about these issues!

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 24):
Of course a different story with Philippine/Thai/etc. passports. I was once told by TG crew that they have people being deported on every flight after being refused entry at Incheon.

That sounds quite bad!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 25):
Thanks for yet another excellent report with excellent pictures !

Hi Lars, thanks a lot for your comments!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 25):
Nice to see to get on another airline and especially a very rare one like PrivatAir!

PrivatAir is indeed a rare carrier.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 25):
The cabin looks great for a narrow body but too bad that the legroom is not so great.

Yes, some more legroom would be nice.


PH

[Edited 2011-11-29 23:06:44]

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: ba319-131
Posted 2011-11-30 00:14:43 and read 32767 times.

Great report PH!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I wrote a short e-mail to EgyptAir with desired seat numbers. Surprisingly, I quickly received a nice reply with a confirmation of my seat requests

- Now that is good customer service, something lacking these days!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Even though Lufthansa doesn't allow to check in earlier than 23 hours before departure, I had also received the boarding pass for the Cairo-Frankfurt flight on EgyptAir on Sunday - more than 40 hours before departure!

- Amazing, never had one that early before!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
There were numerous names on the standby list, so it was clear that the flight would be full

- Interesting given the situation in the country as of late.....

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The most interesting remark remained the same: "We expect strong winds at landing.

- Wow, these guys are clued up especially given the flight duration!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The flight attendants finally arrived with the lunch trolley and offered a choice of beef and lamb curry. I ordered the latter and got a nice tray:

- Now that is a decent looking meal, shame it lacked the taste you wanted, still, looked good.

What happened to the ginger ale?

Cheers

Mark

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-11-30 00:20:42 and read 32767 times.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 27):
Great report PH!

Hi Mark, thanks for your comments!

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 27):
Now that is good customer service, something lacking these days!

Absolutely, I was very surprised about the quick reaction and the positive result.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 27):
Interesting given the situation in the country as of late.....

Would be interesting to know the percentage of transfer passengers.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 27):
What happened to the ginger ale?

Not available once again!


PH

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: NZ107
Posted 2011-11-30 01:50:04 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

Another fantastic report on an interesting journey! And many great pictures to accompany.

I really wouldn't have thought that CAI (and other places mentioned on that list which Privatair 737s serve) are worthy of such high yield configurations! Are they cash cows? Or is it just a fact that there isn't enough capacity to send a larger plane there?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
But what would a PlaneHunter trip be without domestic flights?

Exactly. Good to see you could even fit in a couple of flights!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
While camera views are certainly not available on the 737, you can enjoy the NiceView airshow:

That could keep me occupied - trying to look at various landmarks on the screen and in real life.


The meal looks nice but it's a shame it didn't live up to its expectations.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Can you see the Great Pyramids on the Giza Plateau?

I think it's quite funny looking at the pyramids - one would probably expect them to be surrounded by desert in every direction, not bordering town on one side!


You wonder why they don't just get rid of those eyesores of planes just sitting there. One may possibly think that it's an actual graveyard and there's a high chance of crashing or something of a similar nature!


Thanks for sharing, looking forward to the next segment!


Cheers,
Nicholas

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: SPLTA
Posted 2011-11-30 01:55:05 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

Great report! Very detailed and nicely illustrated, as always!

It was surprising to read about two-class configured PrivatAir's plane flying to Cairo. I thought they had solely all buisness class jets flying TATL on behallf of various carriers (mainly LH).

I must say I like the idea of using longhaul configured 738/32S for mid-haul routes. I think that's the way to go in case of destinations where the loads are not good enough to send widebodies. I think OS uses some specially configured 32S for their Middle East destinations too. I believe they have 2+2 layout in F and more legroom in Y.

Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to read the next part(s).

Greetings,
SPLTA

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-11-30 04:10:25 and read 32767 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 29):
Another fantastic report on an interesting journey! And many great pictures to accompany.

Hi Nicholas, many thanks for your comments! They're always appreciated!

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 29):
I really wouldn't have thought that CAI (and other places mentioned on that list which Privatair 737s serve) are worthy of such high yield configurations! Are they cash cows? Or is it just a fact that there isn't enough capacity to send a larger plane there?

Yes, I guess A330s would be too large for frequent services. But MUC-CAI is operated by A321s now.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 29):
That could keep me occupied - trying to look at various landmarks on the screen and in real life.
NiceView is indeed a nice feature!

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 29):
The meal looks nice but it's a shame it didn't live up to its expectations.

  

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 29):
I think it's quite funny looking at the pyramids - one would probably expect them to be surrounded by desert in every direction, not bordering town on one side!

That used to be the case a long time ago.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 29):
You wonder why they don't just get rid of those eyesores of planes just sitting there.

I can only agree.

Quoting SPLTA (Reply 30):
Great report! Very detailed and nicely illustrated, as always!

Hi SPLTA, thanks for your feedback! Good to hear from you.

Quoting SPLTA (Reply 30):
It was surprising to read about two-class configured PrivatAir's plane flying to Cairo. I thought they had solely all buisness class jets flying TATL on behallf of various carriers (mainly LH).

That changed two years ago.

Quoting SPLTA (Reply 30):
I must say I like the idea of using longhaul configured 738/32S for mid-haul routes. I think that's the way to go in case of destinations where the loads are not good enough to send widebodies.

  

Quoting SPLTA (Reply 30):
I think OS uses some specially configured 32S for their Middle East destinations too. I believe they have 2+2 layout in F and more legroom in Y.

I'm not sure if that configuation still exists.


PH

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: akhmad
Posted 2011-11-30 10:02:20 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

That is what I call an exciting weekend trip. Flying to CAI on board of a dedicated PrivatAir 738. I admire you on how you found the way to secure that particular flight. Well, it is not really surprising with you being the legendary PlaneHunter!   


Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
After searching for a while, it was clear that Luxor would be the most appropriate destination for that mission.

Great choice, PH! I have been there as well!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
LXR-CAI on EgyptAir Express (Embraer 170).

I just had to watch her take off in despair.  


Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Fares were reasonable - and since Business Class was only slightly more expensive, I secured a seat up front on the A320. By doing so, I would also be able to visit a lounge at Cairo's new Terminal 3.

Very wise decision, PH!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
user LH4532 and I took the chance to arrange a meeting at Terminal 2

It must have been an enjoyable private second A.net meeting.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Even though Lufthansa doesn't allow to check in earlier than 23 hours before departure, I had also received the boarding pass for the Cairo-Frankfurt flight on EgyptAir on Sunday - more than 40 hours before departure!

I managed to check in earlier than 23 hours for my FRA flight last July. Always worth trying.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The winglet looks huge from that angle:

Nice angle.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
"We expect strong winds at landing."

Did you experience the strong winds? 


Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
language classes

Cool! What is there on offer? German? Dutch? Arabic? Or even Indonesian?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Something's seriously wrong here considering that we had left the ground only 18 minutes before

LOL. Did they correct the flight details at one stage?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I also asked for a pen like some other passengers had done:

What a nice collectible!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I ordered the latter and got a nice tray:

Yummy! It would have been my choice as well.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Various care products and a yellow rose - that's what you find in an Economy Class lavatory on PrivatAir:

I assume there was a bottle of Eau de Cologne as well.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Densely populated outskirts:

Ah, CAI landing memories!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
This is former Pharaoh Airlines 737-222 SU-PMA rotting in the sand since 2002:

What a sad view.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Meanwhile a ground stuff member had already entered the galley - and the flight attendant even told him to leave again so that I could take the picture. Nice!   

I think they succesfully made it up to you.


It is worth waiting for this report. Thanks for sharing.

Best wishes,
Suryo

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-11-30 11:26:24 and read 32709 times.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 32):
That is what I call an exciting weekend trip. Flying to CAI on board of a dedicated PrivatAir 738.
Quoting akhmad (Reply 32):
It is worth waiting for this report. Thanks for sharing.

Hi Suryo, many thanks for your nice comments!


Quoting akhmad (Reply 32):
I admire you on how you found the way to secure that particular flight. Well, it is not really surprising with you being the legendary PlaneHunter!

Suryo, I feel honored!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 32):
Great choice, PH! I have been there as well!

Did you write a report?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 32):
I just had to watch her take off in despair.

Oh, was it so bad?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 32):
It must have been an enjoyable private second A.net meeting.

Absolutely!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 32):
I managed to check in earlier than 23 hours for my FRA flight last July. Always worth trying.

Interesting, I will try that again.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 32):
Did you experience the strong winds?

No, it was just a little bit windy.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 32):

Cool! What is there on offer? German? Dutch? Arabic? Or even Indonesian?

I didn't check all options - unfortunately you don't find any details about that in the inflight magazine either.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 32):
LOL. Did they correct the flight details at one stage?

Yes, they did!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 32):
I assume there was a bottle of Eau de Cologne as well.

  

Quoting akhmad (Reply 32):
I think they succesfully made it up to you.

  


Thanks again for taking the time, your feedback is always highly appreciated!


PH

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: akhmad
Posted 2011-11-30 11:57:38 and read 32663 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 33):
Did you write a report?

You even posted a reply on Egyptian Holiday (4): From LXR To CAI With MS (by Akhmad Oct 6 2009 in Trip Reports)


 

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-11-30 12:37:08 and read 32567 times.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 34):
You even posted a reply on

Thank you for reminding me! I cannot believe that I forgot that one - but I guess that's the result of reading several hundreds of reports in two years!  


PH

[Edited 2011-11-30 12:38:00]

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: LH4532
Posted 2011-11-30 12:38:32 and read 32561 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I was very glad that you immediately offered to come to FRA!

@ PlaneHunter : I had no other plans for the rest of my summer vacation , so it was good that you asked for meeting at FRA .  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
It must have been an enjoyable private second A.net meeting.

@ Akhmad : It was a very nice second little A.net meeting .


Daniel

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: airbuseric
Posted 2011-11-30 12:52:22 and read 32541 times.

Hallo, PH!

really nice, and special! Good catch indeed, and more interesting then the EY experience which you had done before.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
It was simply not possible to save my choice of seats. So I wrote a short e-mail to EgyptAir with desired seat numbers. Surprisingly, I quickly received a nice reply with a confirmation of my seat requests.

That's what I call customer-orientated service, despite the failure on their website   

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
....and the latter ones are the latest models also used on the A380:

Really nice interior for the B738

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Lufthansa offers a 31-inch seat pitch on the A380 which is not overly generous - and there seemed to be even less legroom on this 737:

... but that legroom is just a pity, especially since you mention about the longer flight durations on these machines.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
It was certainly a special experience to fly on one of PrivatAir's "exotic" 737-800s

Totally agree! Well done and a good decision, just in time and to avoid those 'strange' destinations.

MfG,
Eric

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-11-30 22:54:14 and read 32087 times.

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 36):
PlaneHunter : I had no other plans for the rest of my summer vacation , so it was good that you asked for meeting at FRA

It's always worth to ask! I'll definitely do that again when I pass through FRA in the future.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 37):
really nice, and special! Good catch indeed, and more interesting then the EY experience which you had done before.

Hi Eric, thanks for your comments! Good to see you posting frequently again after your long series of trips!

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 37):
That's what I call customer-orientated service, despite the failure on their website

I hadn't expected such a nice service!

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 37):
Really nice interior for the B738

Yes, but not as nice as the one on Garuda's factory fresh 738s.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 37):
... but that legroom is just a pity, especially since you mention about the longer flight durations on these machines.

They should add one more inch of pitch, it would make a difference.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 37):
Well done and a good decision, just in time and to avoid those 'strange' destinations.

I didn't know that when I booked, so I was really lucky.


PH

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: AlwaysOnAPlane
Posted 2011-12-01 14:09:03 and read 31278 times.

Hi PH.

Really interesting report from you here. Having seen PrivatAir aircraft parked up at various airports around Europe I was wondering what the cabins would be like. For some reason I had it in my head they were fully J class configured... Don't know how I came to that conclusion?

It's a shame one of the crew was a bit off in terms of customer service. They are the face of the airline and need to be enthusiastic.

As for those aircraft rotting away at CAI, well that makes my heart sink. To think that these birds who one flew so often and moved so many passengers are now just stuck on the ground in a wreck.... This is not a suitable ending for such wonderful machines.

I really like the set up in the washroom. The yellow rose is a nice touch.

Hey, happy future travels and looking forward to the next part.
Cheers, Lee.

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: flykev
Posted 2011-12-01 16:39:54 and read 31132 times.

Another fantastic trip report, thanks for sharing!

The cabin features certainly pack the 737 out and you certainly got lucky to fly this plane on a more normal route.
Food portions look very good also for a flight of this length; if not a little later being served than what would be expected.

I look forward as always to your next report.

Regards,

kev.

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-12-01 23:57:14 and read 30875 times.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Reply 39):
Really interesting report from you here.

Thanks for your comments, Lee!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Reply 39):
Having seen PrivatAir aircraft parked up at various airports around Europe I was wondering what the cabins would be like. For some reason I had it in my head they were fully J class configured... Don't know how I came to that conclusion?

They used to operate all-J-Class aircraft, but it changed two years ago. Now the airline even operates a 733 for ECAir which is based at Brazzaville.

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Reply 39):
It's a shame one of the crew was a bit off in terms of customer service. They are the face of the airline and need to be enthusiastic.

  

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Reply 39):
As for those aircraft rotting away at CAI, well that makes my heart sink. To think that these birds who one flew so often and moved so many passengers are now just stuck on the ground in a wreck.... This is not a suitable ending for such wonderful machines.

Well said!

Quoting AlwaysOnAPlane (Reply 39):
The yellow rose is a nice touch.

  

Quoting flykev (Reply 40):
Another fantastic trip report, thanks for sharing!

Hi Kev, thanks a lot for your feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Quoting flykev (Reply 40):
Food portions look very good also for a flight of this length; if not a little later being served than what would be expected.

Yes, both the snack and the lunch were served too late IMO.


PH

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2011-12-02 01:43:53 and read 30799 times.

Another great report PH,

Too bad that lunch was not as great as it looked like.
Flying Private Air costs the same as a regular LH flight?

Many thanks

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: LXM83
Posted 2011-12-02 03:35:25 and read 30720 times.

Hello PlaneHunter

Nice trip report about an unusual operator!

I love that title picture. Which software did you use?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
according to NiceView, we had come down off the track in the middle of nowhere

Now that's strange. Any iPhone will give you a more accurate position. Or did you land on a newly constructed runway not yet shown on the satellite picture?

I'm looking forward to reading about the domestic flighs in Egypt and your flight back to FRA on MS.

Cheers,
LXM83

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: 717Flyer
Posted 2011-12-02 09:07:05 and read 30506 times.

Hi PH,

Another great trip report with many nice pictures - very impressive!

PrivatAir isn't a carrier I can comment on - I've never flown with them - but their version of the 737-800 seems interesting! The meal tray looks really nice, but I believe your words about the taste. Finally good to see you got a positive impression of the crew in the end!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I was quite thirsty and drank almost the whole cup of orange juice before taking a picture:

Good, it would be worrying to hear that Lufthansa would be serving almost-empty glasses of juice on their flights. Even though it is an economic downturn.  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Story to be continued...

I'm very much looking forward to the next part! I've been tempted to catch a flight on Egyptair ever since they started flying on the CPH-CAI route, I haven't seen any great promotions though.

BTW, what an impressive eyecatcher image at the beginning!  

Regards,
717Flyer

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-12-02 10:02:02 and read 30453 times.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 42):
Another great report PH,

Many thanks, eastafspot!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 42):
Flying Private Air costs the same as a regular LH flight?

I'm quite sure there's no surcharge for these services.

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 43):
Nice trip report about an unusual operator!

Hi LXM83, thanks for your comments!

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 43):
I love that title picture. Which software did you use?

Thanks. I use Paint Shop Pro.

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 43):

Now that's strange. Any iPhone will give you a more accurate position. Or did you land on a newly constructed runway not yet shown on the satellite picture?

Yes, that runway is still quite new.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 44):
Another great trip report with many nice pictures - very impressive!

Thanks a lot, 717Flyer! Good to hear you like it.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 44):
PrivatAir isn't a carrier I can comment on - I've never flown with them - but their version of the 737-800 seems interesting!

Yes, these planes belong to the most interesting 738s in service.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 44):
Finally good to see you got a positive impression of the crew in the end!

  

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 44):

Good, it would be worrying to hear that Lufthansa would be serving almost-empty glasses of juice on their flights. Even though it is an economic downturn.

Yes, that would be very worrying!

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 44):
I've been tempted to catch a flight on Egyptair ever since they started flying on the CPH-CAI route, I haven't seen any great promotions though.

Keep checking, I can only recommend to try them.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 44):
BTW, what an impressive eyecatcher image at the beginning!

Thank you!


PH

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: FlyingFinn76
Posted 2011-12-02 10:09:08 and read 30447 times.

Hi PH,

Good to read this report. I have been very curious about the product offered by LH on this PrivatAir "BBJ lites" and now you managed to convey the flight experience in perfect details!

Looks like an interesting mix - a narrowbody plane but the good standard LH longhaul (economy) service. Great.

Too bad they are not operating these planes on the CAI route anymore, as you mentioned the current destinations aren't exactly very welcoming...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Yes, could have - but she did not consider it necessary to greet or smile. Not a good first impression!

That's bad, especially considering that it is the first first impression that usually counts the most!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Lufthansa offers a 31-inch seat pitch on the A380 which is not overly generous - and there seemed to be even less legroom on this 737:

Hmm, doesn't look too generous to me.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
That was still acceptable for the next 3.5 hours, but these planes also operate flights which last more than twice as long. Of course there's also less elbow space on the 737.

Yeah, I think your route is around the upper limit of what one could endure in reasonable comfort in that seat.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Good old United colors, I will miss them:

I never liked these colors either - to me the good old colors are the previous blue/gray livery. That was classic UA!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
...and NiceView:

A very nice View (pun intended).

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
It's always a pleasure to cross the Alps:

Some very pretty pictures there!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
When she handed out an immigration card to me, I also asked for a pen like some other passengers had done:

Let me guess, you forgot to return that one to the staff, didn't you?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I ordered the latter and got a nice tray:

Looks good. I love curries as well, a shame to hear it wasn't properly spiced though.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
No doubt, I could get used to such a 737 interior:

Indeed! Maybe the next Ryanair interior will be like this! (I will wake from this dream in a few minutes, I'm sure...)

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
...however, according to NiceView, we had come down off the track in the middle of nowhere:

Heh, reminds me of the Air Berlin Airshow that keeps putting Tallinn in the middle of the Gulf of Finland.

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: AirGabon
Posted 2011-12-02 10:09:41 and read 30447 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
If you want to try one of its 737-800s on Lufthansa routes in these days, you need to fly to Accra, Dammam, Libreville/Point Noire or Pune which aren't really suitable destinations for a relaxed enthusiast trip.

I don't agree my friend, come to Libreville, Gabon, I promise you, you will have fun and enjoy one of the nicest African city! And real good gfood!

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: ZS-SAZ
Posted 2011-12-02 12:43:20 and read 30332 times.

Great trip report! Those views over Cairo are pretty amazing too - the density and monotony of the urban / desert landscape is awesome.

Really looking forward to your A330-200 review... due to fly on the MS A332 myself in about 3 weeks time to CAI. Hope you have your report up by then  

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: EL-AL
Posted 2011-12-02 15:44:40 and read 30206 times.

Hey PH!

Great report!

I was always interested to see how privateair look from inside.

Thx for shearing - looking forward for the domestic flights in Egypt.

Jonathan

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: signol
Posted 2011-12-02 17:02:10 and read 30157 times.

Hi PlaneHunter,

Excellent report! Interesting to see PrivatAir - I've only heard of them operating the all-business AMS-IAH flight for KL, good to see they have some flights accessible in the back!

Good pictures too, especially the title shot - is there a name for that effect?

Pity the food wasn't great though, at least it was edible.

Looking forward to the next in the series!

Thanks again

signol

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-12-03 03:09:51 and read 29903 times.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 46):
Good to read this report. I have been very curious about the product offered by LH on this PrivatAir "BBJ lites" and now you managed to convey the flight experience in perfect details!

Hi P., thanks for your comments!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 46):
Looks like an interesting mix - a narrowbody plane but the good standard LH longhaul (economy) service.

  

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 46):
Yeah, I think your route is around the upper limit of what one could endure in reasonable comfort in that seat.

  

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 46):
I never liked these colors either - to me the good old colors are the previous blue/gray livery. That was classic UA!

Actually I will miss the white/blue scheme on the picture - I hever never been a fan of the classic UA liveries.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 46):
Let me guess, you forgot to return that one to the staff, didn't you?

Yes, I cannot believe I forgot that.  

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 46):
Maybe the next Ryanair interior will be like this!

Good one!   

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 47):
I don't agree my friend, come to Libreville, Gabon, I promise you, you will have fun and enjoy one of the nicest African city! And real good gfood!

Hi AirGabon, good to know. I'll keep that in mind!

Quoting ZS-SAZ (Reply 48):
Great trip report! Those views over Cairo are pretty amazing too - the density and monotony of the urban / desert landscape is awesome.

Thanks a lot for your feedback, Tom!

Quoting ZS-SAZ (Reply 48):
Really looking forward to your A330-200 review... due to fly on the MS A332 myself in about 3 weeks time to CAI. Hope you have your report up by then

Well, don't expect to see an A332 report...the plane was replaced by a 738.

Quoting EL-AL (Reply 49):
Great report!

I was always interested to see how privateair look from inside.

Thx for shearing - looking forward for the domestic flights in Egypt.

Hi Jonathan, thanks for your reply! Good to hear you enjoyed reading.

Quoting signol (Reply 50):
Excellent report!

Thanks a lot, signol!

Quoting signol (Reply 50):
good to see they have some flights accessible in the back!

  

Quoting signol (Reply 50):
Good pictures too, especially the title shot - is there a name for that effect?

Thanks. That effect is called "glow".


PH

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: OA260
Posted 2011-12-03 10:06:03 and read 29652 times.

Hey Udo ,
Great report . Seen the post whilst I was on my iPhone but only now getting to a PC with decent speeds. Very cool photos and great to see what the product is like.

Some interesting metal at CAI for sure. They should make a museum with all those  

Thanks for the lovely read as usual.

Regards

Philip  

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: MSS658
Posted 2011-12-04 00:18:28 and read 29414 times.

Hi PH


Another nice trip report, thanks for sharing it! As said above, I never realised that Privatair went to a 2-class configuration, until you mentioning it on the A.net meet back in FRA!


I flew them in J from Houston to Amsterdam once in the only J-config and it was wonderful! Seems like you had a decent flight as well in the 2-class configuration! Quite humorous to see the glitches in the IFE system, makes me think of NW and DL's new moving map that haves glitches as well


Greetings
Marc

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: LGWflyer
Posted 2011-12-04 16:47:41 and read 29024 times.

Yo PlaneHunter! An interesting trip report thanks, enjoyed it very much. Cheers.  

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-12-11 12:07:54 and read 27948 times.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 52):
Great report . Seen the post whilst I was on my iPhone but only now getting to a PC with decent speeds. Very cool photos and great to see what the product is like.
Quoting OA260 (Reply 52):
Thanks for the lovely read as usual.

Hi Phil, thanks a lot for your feedback! Good to hear you enjoyed it!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 52):
Some interesting metal at CAI for sure. They should make a museum with all those

That's not a bad idea!

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 53):
Another nice trip report, thanks for sharing it!

Thank you, Marc!

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 53):
I flew them in J from Houston to Amsterdam once in the only J-config and it was wonderful!

I remember you told me about it. Must have been great indeed!

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 54):
Yo PlaneHunter! An interesting trip report thanks, enjoyed it very much. Cheers.

Hi Thomas, thank you for your comments!


PH

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2011-12-18 09:53:32 and read 26898 times.

PH,

Finally, catching up on your reports. Can I ask how much you paid for your weekend jaunt? I had no idea that PTG flies to CAI on LH's behalf ...

As you know, I am usually hard on LH's product - especially food - but AGAIN, it seems that their YCL offering is much better than their JCL offering. I really need to stop flying LH in J!

I am also surprised/interested by below:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
When I stepped on board, I noticed two female flight attendants in dark blue PrivatAir uniforms. One of them was preparing something for the flight, while her younger colleague could have welcomed the customers. Yes, could have - but she did not consider it necessary to greet or smile. Not a good first impression!  

Usually, Privatair crew have been fantastic for me. These are the ex-Sabena crew based in DUS I believe ... here is their service: Privatair LH 765: 30/AUG/09: BOM-MUC: J Cabin (by Abrelosojos Nov 7 2009 in Trip Reports)

The poorer ones are new recruits as I witnessed on a Privatair LH 424: 05/DEC/08: MUC-BOS: J Cabin (by Abrelosojos Dec 22 2008 in Trip Reports) flight.

Was the indifferent one young?

Thanks again for sharing. I have been eyeing the LBV flight as a connection to a JNB trip I have to make ... but because of work, might settle for the 380 nonstop.

Thanks as always for the report, and for the details around the various aircraft rotting @ CAI.

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: MHTripple7
Posted 2011-12-18 11:36:23 and read 26825 times.

Great Trip Report, PlaneHunter! A very unique flight for sure.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The three PrivatAir 737-800s are equipped with 32 Lufthansa Business Class seats and 60 Lufthansa Economy Class seats...

Jeez, that's a nice 737. It's somewhat weird seeing longhaul seats on such a plane.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Lufthansa offers a 31-inch seat pitch on the A380 which is not overly generous - and there seemed to be even less legroom on this 737:

That's tight. You'd think these planes would have more legroom.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
While camera views are certainly not available on the 737, you can enjoy the NiceView airshow:

I'm really loving these next generation airshow maps. LH's looks pretty cool, but the maps on some other airlines look even cooler (EK, QR, WY, and DT to name a few).

Thank you for sharing!

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: Initious
Posted 2011-12-24 06:28:06 and read 26035 times.

Hi PH,

A nice report on a nice airline that is not so often reported on a.net. I had always been interested in seeing what PrivatAir has to offer for flights operated for other carriers in terms of the cabin and such. However, a dilemma would be, "Which airline to log this flight as?".

The Economy Class cabin of the plane looks wonderful especially when it is the new long haul cabin which LH has in their A380s. However, the seat pitch could be improved. I don't think I'll be able to fit well with 31 inches. The meal onboard looks wonderful - I am watering now! The rice looks like Indian rice to me, with the long grains.

The large Business Class cabin looks impressive too.

Regards,
Daniel

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-12-30 07:24:01 and read 25241 times.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 56):
Finally, catching up on your reports.
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 56):
Thanks as always for the report, and for the details around the various aircraft rotting @ CAI.

Hi A., thanks a lot for your feedback!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 56):
Can I ask how much you paid for your weekend jaunt?

See my private message.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 56):
I had no idea that PTG flies to CAI on LH's behalf ...

It already stopped doing so.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 56):
Usually, Privatair crew have been fantastic for me.

I know, I still remember your reports!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 56):
Was the indifferent one young?

Yes.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 57):
Great Trip Report, PlaneHunter! A very unique flight for sure.

Thanks a lot for your comments!

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 57):
That's tight. You'd think these planes would have more legroom.

  

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 57):
LH's looks pretty cool, but the maps on some other airlines look even cooler (EK, QR, WY, and DT to name a few).

I'm not sure which airshow feature I like better.

Quoting Initious (Reply 58):
A nice report on a nice airline that is not so often reported on a.net.

Hi Daniel, many thanks for your reply!

Quoting Initious (Reply 58):
However, a dilemma would be, "Which airline to log this flight as?".

What counts is the operating carrier, IMO - PrivatAir in this case.

Quoting Initious (Reply 58):
However, the seat pitch could be improved.

  

Quoting Initious (Reply 58):
The rice looks like Indian rice to me, with the long grains.

The rice was really good.


PH

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: Parton87
Posted 2011-12-30 14:57:54 and read 24952 times.

Hello PH!

Thanks for the nice story. Interesting to see PrivateAir. They looks nice except for the errors on the in-flight show.I was surprised to see that PrivateAir have a economy-cabin. I thought they have business-class only like on BA A318´s.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
about 40 minutes after takeoff, drinks

That is quit a long time on a narrow-body.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Densely populated outskirts:

Love these pictures! You can really imagine what a huge city Cairo is!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
This is former Alim-Air Lines Il-62M SU-ZDA - impounded in 1997:

What a sad sight 
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Lufthansa routes in these days, you need to fly to Accra, Dammam, Libreville/Point Noire or Pune which aren't really suitable destinations for a relaxed enthusiast trip.

I agree with you. That dosn´t sound like the most nicest places to visit  I guess you know that OS have some A320´s that they called premium? They fly them to destinations in the middle east and fare east of Russia. Don´t know if they are like PrivateAir or not!?


Thanks again for the nice story PH. Looking forward for the rest!

Happy new year!

Greetings
Robert

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: chepos
Posted 2012-01-01 16:45:53 and read 24344 times.

Excellent trip report, I enjoyoed reading your account of flying on the Privatair 738.

Regards,

Chepos

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-01-06 07:13:18 and read 23664 times.

The second and last part of this series is now online:

Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business (by PlaneHunter Dec 31 2011 in Trip Reports)

Quoting Parton87 (Reply 60):
Thanks for the nice story. Interesting to see PrivateAir.
Quoting Parton87 (Reply 60):
Thanks again for the nice story PH.

Hi Robert, many thanks for your comments!

Quoting Parton87 (Reply 60):
I was surprised to see that PrivateAir have a economy-cabin. I thought they have business-class only like on BA A318´s.

They used to have an all-Business Class seating, but that changed some years ago.

Quoting Parton87 (Reply 60):
That is quit a long time on a narrow-body.

Absolutely.

Quoting Parton87 (Reply 60):
I guess you know that OS have some A320´s that they called premium? They fly them to destinations in the middle east and fare east of Russia. Don´t know if they are like PrivateAir or not!?

The Business Class section on a few A32X aircraft was equipped with "real" C Class seats.

Quoting chepos (Reply 61):
Excellent trip report, I enjoyoed reading your account of flying on the Privatair 738.

Hi chepos! Thanks a lot for your feedback!


PH

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: rvxkaz
Posted 2012-01-07 01:45:52 and read 23372 times.

Hi PH,

Wow, what an excellent insight into Privatair!

Though I'd always had a preference for wide-body aircrafts, this impressive baby certainly changes my mind! The entertainment system is really great and its really nice to know the seats are identical to the A380's! I love the photos you took out of the window and of the flight tracking. Really interesting and some really nice sights along the way!

Sorry that the meal was not to your liking. It does look like a standard Y meal. Really nice touch that there was an e-menu for the flight though (even if the meal choices weren't exactly accurate)!

The view of the outskirts during landing is rather spectacular too! Its really a whole new terrain over at CAI.

As usual, I can only say, a most marvellous report and it was really enjoyable reading. Thanks for sharing your wonderful Privatair experience!

Cheers,
RvXKaz

Topic: RE: Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-01-21 05:53:08 and read 22193 times.

Quoting rvxkaz (Reply 63):
Wow, what an excellent insight into Privatair!
Quoting rvxkaz (Reply 63):
As usual, I can only say, a most marvellous report and it was really enjoyable reading. Thanks for sharing your wonderful Privatair experience!

Hi rvxkaz, many thanks for your feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed the report.

Quoting rvxkaz (Reply 63):
Though I'd always had a preference for wide-body aircrafts, this impressive baby certainly changes my mind!

Good to hear!

Quoting rvxkaz (Reply 63):
Really nice touch that there was an e-menu for the flight though

  

Quoting rvxkaz (Reply 63):
The view of the outskirts during landing is rather spectacular too!

Yes, I also like these views.


PH


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