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Topic: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: Airbuseric
Posted 2008-11-23 11:03:42 and read 19872 times.

Hi,

Finally I found the free time to put this report together. It covers both carriers active between Amsterdam and Tokyo: Japan Airlines and KLM. Both carriers operate the route once daily. While KLM uses a mix of B772 and B744, JAL flies with a mix of B772, B77W and B744, although mainly with the B772.

Since I had to attend some business at our headquarter office, I applied for an onward flight on JL, and back on KLM, since they offer a better IFE for me. E-tickets were arranged by my colleagues from the administration department and send to my email.

After saying goodbye to my partner, I took the bus to the airport. I’ve a convenient exclusive buslane all the way, so I arrived about 20 minutes after I left my house. Check-In just opened. JAL is handled at the West terminal (Departure Hall 3). Three desks were open to Economy Class, One for Business Class and higher level Frequent Flyers. I was greeted by the friendly staff and was assigned to my pre-selected seat located on the Upper Deck. The seat next to me was blocked off on request.


Blue Executive Class boardingpass (in Y you will get a Green one)



JA8080 waiting at the gate


I passed passport control without trouble, and went to our gate, E08. Boarding started at 19:55 hours. The load on this flight was really low, and the need to send the B747-400 down to Amsterdam was hardly to understand for many. I boarded as first, was greeted by the very friendly female Cabin Supervisor and I helped myself upstairs. I stored my belongings in the overhead bin, and my other bag in the sidelockers (the very convenient bins in between the seats and sidepanel). After this, I immediately went upfront to the flightdeck to get some route familiarisation. This is an advantage of my employment and area of work. I cannot, and will not go into further details on this subject. I closed the secured door, took my seat and had a chat with the crew, who did the final pre-flight preparations and necessary checks. Meanwhile, the other passengers boarded.

We received route clearance by ATC, with runway 24 assigned and a ‘SPY 1S’ departure.

AMS-NRT
Flight No.: JL412 Date: 22OCT08
STD: 2015 ATD: 2015
STA: 1430 ATA: 1351
A/C: Boeing 747-400 Reg No.: JA8080
Seat: 21K – Business Class

This was the first flight on this machine, and my 10th Boeing 747 flight (of which 2 on Boeing 747-freighters). Load on this flight was 28% only.


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Photo © Jakub Sulima



We got a short taxiroute to runway 24, and entered at S6. Takeoff clearance was received immediately, while other traffic was holding short. The 4 engines were spooled up and a very short and powerful roll was needed to bring this machine into the air. ATC cleared us to FL140, when we did the right turn over the town of Hoofddorp. Soon we changed frequency to Amsterdam Radar who directed us further up to FL250. The climb was smooth and without difficulties and/or other issues. Amsterdam Radar said goodbye and we transferred to Eurocontrol Maastricht , got clearance to FL330. We requested FL340 instead, and got this acknowledged as well. Everybody happy, and the 10 hour cruise to Japan started. I was getting hungry, so said wished the crew a good night and I went back to my seat. Mealservice just started.


View from my seat. Boeing 747-400 Upperdeck cabin


The Japanese female cabin attendant gave me ‘oshibori’ (wet hand towel) and prepared my table and put cloth on it. She offered the drink service and I made my choice out of the white wines. I was served a French Bourgogne: “Abbaye des Fontenay 2005 Les Truites Macon Villages”. It was a very tasty and fruity wine, which I pleasantly enjoyed during mealservice. The wine was served with some pickles.


Some pickles and wine…


My starter came and looked good. It was Foie Gras, Prosciutto with Melon and Consomme Soup with Cabbage & Tomato. There was also a green salad, but no dressing!  grumpy 


Starter


Maindish choices were the Beef or Chicken. Instead you could also request a full Japanese menu, but then also the starter would’ve been different.

My choice was Chicken & Parma Ham Roll with Red Pepper Sauce. It came accompanied by risotto and asparagus, and some bread. I also ordered a bowl of freshly steamed Koshihikari rice.


Main course (Western choice / Chicken)


Meanwhile my wine had two refills, until dessert came. A large choice was available: Cheese Plate, Fresh Fruits, Apple Pie and Mocha Mousse. I had the mousse and the fruits. The crew prepared the plate on the spot which resulted in some dripping of vanilla sause on the floor.

I finished this dessert with a coffee.


Dessert & Coffee




When everything finished, the table got cleaned up. I was offered whisky or baileys, and some Belgium chocolates. I took the baileys and some white chocolate, and listened to some music of the IFE system.
We meanwhile flew roughly over Copenhagen, Stockholm and St. Petersburg into Russian airspace.
The crew closed the windowshades and prepared the cabin for the night. Everybody got a bottle of Evian water (500ml). After this, the crew disappeared for a long time into the galley and was very quiet.
I also slept for about 5 hours.

I must say that JAL’s Executive Class/Seasons Shell Flat seats are pretty comfortable for some rest. The also feature a build-in massage function.
I’m also positive on the new type of Panasonic noise reduction headphones in C class on JAL.

Less positive I was about the IFE system, which is a bit outdated and not on par with many other airline companies. There is not enough choice for the international passenger, and the system is mainly focussing on the Japanese passenger. So I decided for a chat in the galley, and stayed with the crew for about 45 minutes. When I returned to my seat, I got a warmed ham/cheese sandwich. I found the looks not very good, and the sandwich got very moisty while heated in the oven.


Not the best midnight snack I’ve seen …


While over Russia we further climbed to flightlevel FL365, and had a smooth cruise.


Routemap



Siberian cruising …


When we started reaching Eastern Siberia and got closer to the Sea of Japan, the crew asked me at what time I wanted to return to the cockpit in order to prepare the breakfast timely for me. I said that I would have it now, so within 10 minutes later, the crew came with a full tray of western breakfast. It had 2 sandwiches, Scrambled Eggs, bacon, Spinach, Potatoes, fruits and yogurt on it. I also got an English tea. Taste was rather bland, so I used quite some salt.


Breakfast


After I finished, I took some belongings with me and went to the front office again. We flew over the Sea of Japan and just entered Fukuoka FIR, while on initial descend from FL390. A lot of other traffic was visible on the TCAS system, mainly traffic going out to Europe, or traffic with us originating from Europe, or traffic crossing North/South on Japanese domestic sectors (mainly to/from Hokkaido). We crossed waypoint Milky at FL150 and lowered further for a runway 16R approach at NRT.
The latest weather was a bit hazy, and not the best visibility. Final descend was also a bit bumpy.
The actual landing was smooth though. Another longhaul flight was completed. We taxied slowly to gate 93 on the satellite building and parked. After the crew completed a few checklists, I said goodbye and thanked them for the good flight.

Immigration was done quickly. The entry card was filled out already on the aircraft, so I was able to pass the checkpoint quickly. Japan does take also a picture of your face and 2 fingerprints upon entry of the country. This only applies for foreigners though. Anyway, it went friendly as always in this country.

My checked luggage was also on the carrousel and therefore also no time to wait here.
I was back in Japan again. My last visit was back in late 2006.

During the 9 days spend in Japan, I mainly had my work to do. I was able to take one day off and went by plane to Fukuoka. This report will follow separately. My return flight (NRT-AMS) will come in a separate report as well.

So, to conclude this report. Flying JAL is always a good option to Japan and further into Asia. JAL is the largest airline in Asia and provide a reliable service. They operate ontime and use modern equipment. Food is ok, although I think the dinnerservice for Business Class was below the average level. For some reason I still don’t like the presentation of the meals. And how can they forget the dressing for the salad…, this shouldn’t happen in C class.
Drinks are refilled without asking, which is a good thing. But crew should be aware that they don’t provide to much alcohols to the passengers. Anyway, this is the Japanese hospitality I think!
Seats are very good. They are comfortable and offer enough pitch. The seats are spotless and don’t show much signs of usage. The seats also have a powerport enabling you to charge equipment or to work on the notebook.
IFE is below par. Choice of movies on the Boeing 747-400 entertainment system is not enough (for me), and also music channels are not my style. Although everything is ‘on demand’, there is too much Japanese talking in between the songs, and therefore mainly focussed on again, the Japanese passenger.
The crew is very friendly, but not too personal. They work quietly and don’t disturb you in mid-flight. Therefore, sleeping on the JAL aircraft is easy. Also the other (Japanese) passengers won’t bother you.
 praise 


So afterall, no big complaints on JAL. Some items should be reviewed though. I introduced some of my opinions to the companies management lately and they will hopefully be discussed.

Thank for reading!

Eric

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: Davescj
Posted 2008-11-23 11:26:41 and read 19787 times.

Great TR! I greatly enjoyed seeing hte food offerings on JL.

Dave

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: Airbuseric
Posted 2008-11-23 11:41:14 and read 19741 times.

Hi Dave,

Quoting Davescj (Reply 1):
Great TR! I greatly enjoyed seeing hte food offerings on JL.

Thanks. Yeah, mostly food pics this time, as the majority of the flight operates in dark  Smile Glad you liked it anyway  Wink

Cheers,
Eric

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: BA319-131
Posted 2008-11-23 12:00:00 and read 19683 times.

Hi Eric,

Been waiting for this, glad you finally had some time to put it together  Smile

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
The seat next to me was blocked off on request.

- Always a result.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
Load on this flight was 28% only.

= This is terrible, why on earth were they running a 744?

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
Immigration was done quickly. The entry card was filled out already on the aircraft, so I was able to pass the checkpoint quickly. Japan does take also a picture of your face and 2 fingerprints upon entry of the country. This only applies for foreigners though

- This must be new, never saw on my last visit.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
I was back in Japan again. My last visit was back in late 2006

- Better than me, Jan 2004, glad I'm heading back in 2009, been too long!

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
crew should be aware that they don’t provide to much alcohols to the passengers. Anyway, this is the Japanese hospitality I think!

- I'll test this on my ANA flight booked  Smile

Looking forward to the return & domestics Eric.

Thanks & regards

Mark

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: Rogerbcn
Posted 2008-11-23 12:06:24 and read 19656 times.

Hola Eric!

Thanks for this TR on JL. It is not very often we see them around here.

I truly enjoyed reading it and looking at the pictures. The seats look comfortable and they give the cabin this Japanese look, combined with your description of the crew's attitude it must have felt as quiet as a garden in Kyoto.  duck 

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
My choice was Chicken & Parma Ham Roll with Red Pepper Sauce. It came accompanied by risotto and asparagus, and some bread. I also ordered a bowl of freshly steamed Koshihikari rice.



Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
My starter came and looked good. It was Foie Gras, Prosciutto with Melon and Consomme Soup with Cabbage & Tomato. There was also a green salad, but no dressing!

The supper offerings were nothing of the other world. Maybe the Japanese dinner would have had some more charm. They are, anyway, nicely presented.

Nice to see you stick to long life traditions: after dinner Bailey's  Wink

Looking forward to reading the next ones.

Salut!

Roger

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: Airbuseric
Posted 2008-11-23 12:27:10 and read 19598 times.

@ Mark

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 3):
Been waiting for this, glad you finally had some time to put it together

Ahhh, time is running out every day again and again. And the next trip is starting this Friday...

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 3):
This is terrible, why on earth were they running a 744?

Shortage of B772, due cabin configuration changes going on due to installation of YP  Wink Good for me though!

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 3):
This must be new, never saw on my last visit.

I knew about it, but also for me the first time. Was all done in a minute by the way.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 3):
I'll test this on my ANA flight booked

I really want to read about that flight! Are you in C or F (or Y?)  Wink

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 3):
Looking forward to the return & domestics Eric

I scored a domestic on ANA, and I'm pretty positive about them  Wink So, you should not worry about that ANA flight early next year Big grin

@ Roger

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 4):
Thanks for this TR on JL. It is not very often we see them around here.

Upcoming weeks, you might expect a few more. My next flight on JL is later this week.  Wink

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 4):
The seats look comfortable and they give the cabin this Japanese look, combined with your description of the crew's attitude it must have felt as quiet as a garden in Kyoto.

It surely was. But of course, the low load on this flight also helped a lot to obtain this atmosphere.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 4):
Maybe the Japanese dinner would have had some more charm.

I'll promise you to deliver some insights on this cuisine, as I'm planning to try it on the next flight  Silly

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 4):
Nice to see you stick to long life traditions: after dinner Bailey's

Really a must for me when available  Smile

Thanks for the feedback so far,

Eric

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: BA319-131
Posted 2008-11-23 12:35:51 and read 19561 times.

Hi Eric,

Good to see you are up too  Smile

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 5):
Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 3):
I'll test this on my ANA flight booked

I really want to read about that flight! Are you in C or F (or Y?)

- Booked in J on both Intl sectors, SIN>NRT & NRT>PEK

I had wanted SQ on the SIN>NRT sector as it would mean another A380 flight, however they are not accepting BMI FF milage redemption, hence the NH 763 flight  Sad

Regards

Mark

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: Contact Air
Posted 2008-11-23 13:19:58 and read 19413 times.

Hi Eric,

Thanks for this great report about JAL's Business Class product which still seems to be not bad at all.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
Load on this flight was 28% only.

Wow, I think I have never been on a long-haul flight with such a low load. Definitely far away from being profitable.

Regards
Christoph

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: FLIEGER67
Posted 2008-11-23 13:22:14 and read 19398 times.

Hello, Eric,

I´am also looking forward to read something of your latest Japan travels.
Nice pictures and a good read.
That breakfast tray looks not bad.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
. Load on this flight was 28% only.

Hopefully not as always!.

Regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: Airbuseric
Posted 2008-11-23 14:09:55 and read 19217 times.

Hi again,

@ Christoph,

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 7):
Wow, I think I have never been on a long-haul flight with such a low load. Definitely far away from being profitable.

What can I say about it. It differs day by day of course. I depends on many factors. But this one was indeed pretty poor and for sure losing money...  Sad

@ Markus,

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 8):
Nice pictures and a good read.
That breakfast tray looks not bad.

The breakfast was in my opinion the meal which made the best appearance to me.

Thanks for your replies,

Eric

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: Oa260
Posted 2008-11-23 14:44:29 and read 19110 times.

Hi Eric,
I have been looking forward to this report also. I had seen the Japan flag by your username so I knew it must be soon.

JAL is an airline I always wanted to fly. It always was an interesting airline to me and Japan in general. One day I would like to go , maybe in the famous Cherry Blossom season and a trip on the Bullet train.

The meals look ok but the Ham and Chesse sandwich look not great. I maybe expected something more Oriental. The dessert looked nice and as always Baileys always goes down well. If I come to AMS in 2009 for that spotting trip I will bring a bottle and we can drink it by the viewing gallery LOL....

Thanks for the report Eric and Im looking forward to the other parts.

PS. The seats do look quite nice.

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: Ryanair!!!
Posted 2008-11-23 18:57:58 and read 18592 times.

I have flown JAL long haul several times and they do not seemed to have changed much.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
The load on this flight was really low, and the need to send the B747-400 down to Amsterdam was hardly to understand for many.

Don't forget the inbound flight could have been full.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
I was getting hungry, so said wished the crew a good night and I went back to my seat. Mealservice just started.

The dinner service was presented REALLY well with such style but...

they had to spoil it all by doing this to breakfast.

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2008-11-23 23:24:51 and read 18179 times.

Hi Eric,

what an interesting report, enjoyed reading a lot. Good to see you chose different airlines for your trip.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
of which 2 on Boeing 747-freighters

I'd like to try such a bird, too.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
Load on this flight was 28% only.

That's really low.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
There was also a green salad, but no dressing!

Salad without dressing? No thanks.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
I found the looks not very good, and the sandwich got very moisty while heated in the oven.

I'm not too impressed by JAL's J class catering - except for the breakfast which looks nice.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
. I was able to take one day off and went by plane to Fukuoka. This report will follow separately.

Great, can't wait to read it.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
I introduced some of my opinions to the companies management lately and they will hopefully be discussed.

Good decision!


PH

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: Airbuseric
Posted 2008-11-24 01:17:00 and read 17997 times.

@ Philip

Quoting Oa260 (Reply 10):
I had seen the Japan flag by your username so I knew it must be soon.

Yeah, some last weeks of the year are done in Japan. Will leave again this week. So it was an easy choice to change the flag  Smile

Quoting Oa260 (Reply 10):
One day I would like to go , maybe in the famous Cherry Blossom season and a trip on the Bullet train.

Good decision to plan it in such a period, so you can make the most of your Japan trip then.

Quoting Oa260 (Reply 10):
If I come to AMS in 2009 for that spotting trip I will bring a bottle and we can drink it by the viewing gallery LOL....

Drinking one bottle together LOL.... I think we would misread a lot of registrations then  Wink

@ Ryanair!!!

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 11):
Don't forget the inbound flight could have been full.

No it wasn't really full either. The 744 was coming due to shortage of 772s in that period.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 11):
The dinner service was presented REALLY well with such style but...they had to spoil it all by doing this to breakfast.

It's a matter of personal taste of course. I did not like the dinners appearance, anyway I will see if they can do it differently soon and report again about it...

@ PH

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
Salad without dressing? No thanks.

Yeah, I wasn't amused. This is a major lack in the mealservice which should get high attention.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
I'm not too impressed by JAL's J class catering - except for the breakfast which looks nice.

Agree. Although other mealoptions might look better. We'll see soon  Wink

Thanks again for replying!

Cheers,
Eric

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: DALCE
Posted 2008-11-24 02:49:47 and read 17860 times.

Goedenmiddag Eric,

A very nice report you have created here!
Must be cool to walk in and out the flightdeck at the moment you want to be there!
That is really one of the advantages you have with your job Big grin

I must say that overall I am a bit dissapointed in the C-class product JL is offering.
The seats I can't value too well from my point of view, but the catering looks nothing like an longhaul C-class product.
Also the aircraft itself looks very grey and boring to me.
Nevertheless I think JL is a good carrier and I would not mind flying them all the way to Japan from here  Smile
Thanks for sharing and keep those reports coming!

Groetjes,
Joost (D-ALCE)

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: NWA757boy
Posted 2008-11-24 07:52:58 and read 17419 times.

What do you do that allows you to sit in the flight deck for take-off and landing?

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: Airbuseric
Posted 2008-11-24 09:13:33 and read 17249 times.

@ Joost & Zach

Quoting DALCE (Reply 14):
Must be cool to walk in and out the flightdeck at the moment you want to be there!



Quoting NWA757boy (Reply 15):
What do you do that allows you to sit in the flight deck for take-off and landing?

Yeah, one of the advantages of doing flight ops. I've to know about the arrival and departure procedures and therefore have to join upfront during this parts of the flight.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 14):
must say that overall I am a bit dissapointed in the C-class product JL is offering.
The seats I can't value too well from my point of view, but the catering looks nothing like an longhaul C-class product.
Also the aircraft itself looks very grey and boring to me.

Seats are really very good for the comfort. The colours are indeed greyish, but have some style also. These colours give the cabin a classy look.
The catering and IFE needs improvement, I fully agree!

Quoting DALCE (Reply 14):
Nevertheless I think JL is a good carrier and I would not mind flying them all the way to Japan from here

So why not give it a try some day?  Wink There are some great offers on sale right now, return AMS-NRT for EUR 749,- all in.

Cheers,
Eric

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: Pawsleykat
Posted 2008-11-24 14:33:12 and read 16779 times.

Hey there Eric, lovely trip report.

28% is an obscenely low load factor for a 744 to be justified!  Wow!

Lovely photos and that food looks nice  Smile
I especially like the photo of the sun rising over the wing  thumbsup 

Would love to visit Japan one day
Maybe a present to myself for finishing school  Silly

Keep 'em coming

JG  Yeah sure

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: SIN7
Posted 2008-11-24 16:20:52 and read 16583 times.

Hi, thanks for sharing the pics.
JL (and NH) really take efforts in their meal presentations.
The dinner meal equipment really nice and stylish. Quite close to NZ's.
The breakfast tray with the heating base is used in EY.
Save for the fruit plate, coffee cup, and non-plastic/foil ware, it's an EY set up.
Would be nice to see their Japanese meal.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
There was also a green salad, but no dressing!

Oh dear! This is bad and it would seldom happen to Japanese caterers doing the meal set up.
If JL finds out, they could penalize the caterer for the cost of the dressing for the flight.

Looking forward for your return flight.

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: Airbuseric
Posted 2008-11-25 01:27:15 and read 16145 times.

Hi JG & SIN7, thanks for reading and the feedback!

Quoting Pawsleykat (Reply 17):
I especially like the photo of the sun rising over the wing

I also liked it. Had to open the window blind to make it possible, since most of this flight operates at nighttime or with the blinds closed  Sad

Quoting Pawsleykat (Reply 17):
Would love to visit Japan one day
Maybe a present to myself for finishing school

That would be a great idea. So do your best at school and pass the exams, that means the sooner you can go!  Wink

Quoting SIN7 (Reply 18):
The dinner meal equipment really nice and stylish.

So true. The chinawear used is indeed of high quality. I like the salt&pepper thing  Smile

Quoting SIN7 (Reply 18):
Would be nice to see their Japanese meal.

Will try it out soon, ok?

Quoting SIN7 (Reply 18):
Oh dear! This is bad and it would seldom happen to Japanese caterers doing the meal set up.
If JL finds out, they could penalize the caterer for the cost of the dressing for the flight.

I investigated a bit, and found that the salad only comes with their Western meal options. These Western meals are not ordered often by the JL passengers. Salad dressings come from a larger bottle loaded in one of the mealcarts, and the crew have to get that and put dressing over the salad by themselves. Which was simply forgotten this time. Maybe they just didn't know? Maybe they forgot and can be blamed for.
Anyway, I told JL that they can play save and better put a small dressing cup on the plate when it comes out of the catering factory.

Cheers,
E.

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: StefanPAD
Posted 2008-11-30 03:08:38 and read 14753 times.

Hi Eric,

thanks for the nice TR. It was enjoyable to read. Sorry for my late reply, but as you said, time is running fast these days.

The meal looks ok, but I have seen better presentations. Anyway, JL seems to be a great airline. A friend of mine loves to fly them when visiting Japan and Australia.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
There was also a green salad, but no dressing! grumpy

Did you ask for the dressing?

Tot ziens!
Stefan

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: Jafa
Posted 2008-11-30 07:45:41 and read 14501 times.

Nice trip report.Pics are always helpful. If the lack of slald dressign was such an annoyance why didnt you simply ask the crew for some?

At my airline once you consume alcohol you cannot return to the jumpseat/flight deck. Interesting to see other way of doing that.

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: LH4116
Posted 2012-03-17 04:55:45 and read 7569 times.

Hoi there, Eric. Here comes another blast from the past! I haven't actually left a reply on this report, so I figure I'd better do it now  
Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
JAL flies with a mix of B772, B77W and B744, although mainly with the B772.

Hmm yes that's indeed an array of types, however it seems more like that B77W showed up more on exception than regularity. At least based on the impression I've gotten.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
and back on KLM, since they offer a better IFE for me.

...And so that you could collect those Delft Blue Houses  
Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
I’ve a convenient exclusive buslane all the way, so I arrived about 20 minutes after I left my house.

I wish I lived that close to the airport, would've made life so much easier for me, haha.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
Blue Executive Class boardingpass (in Y you will get a Green one)

Ah now I see. Yes not as blue as I'd pictured (i.e 100% KLM blue, but still blue enough). Does F Class get red BP's?

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
The load on this flight was really low, and the need to send the B747-400 down to Amsterdam was hardly to understand for many.

But doesn't the B747 justify more cargo capacity that made up for the decreased revenue from the low passenger count?

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
Everybody happy, and the 10 hour cruise to Japan started.

10 hours is still quite short I'd say. Is the flight always that quick?

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
I was getting hungry, so said wished the crew a good night and I went back to my seat. Mealservice just started.

Well that shows you had a really good job on that company, did those flights count as working hours also? I would've done that job for free, you know 
Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
I was served a French Bourgogne: “Abbaye des Fontenay 2005 Les Truites Macon Villages”. It was a very tasty and fruity wine, which I pleasantly enjoyed during mealservice.

No Chablis on offer for you? And why didn't they serve Champagne!

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
My starter came and looked good. It was Foie Gras, Prosciutto with Melon and Consomme Soup with Cabbage & Tomato.

That looks impressive I must say, nothing wrong with the presentation. Also very surprised that they serve Foie Grass in Business Class, only AF do that. But then again the Japanese have a thing for the french, so...

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
My choice was Chicken & Parma Ham Roll with Red Pepper Sauce.

That looks very good also. Btw did you eat the ham, or leave it aside? It's red meat after all.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
A large choice was available: Cheese Plate, Fresh Fruits, Apple Pie and Mocha Mousse. I had the mousse and the fruits.

Again a very impressive selection it seems, and if I were you I would've taken all 
But still it seems like JAL are offering a Business product that is far above standards, at least for EU airlines.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
I was offered whisky or baileys, and some Belgium chocolates.

No other liqueurs on offer, like Cognac or Cointreau?

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
There is not enough choice for the international passenger, and the system is mainly focussing on the Japanese passenger.

Ah, that voice annoyed you again! Too bad the iPad wasn't invented back then  
Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
Not the best midnight snack I’ve seen …

Well still very generous of JAL to offer a proper mid-flight snack, and the flight was only 10 hours after all.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
It had 2 sandwiches, Scrambled Eggs, bacon, Spinach, Potatoes, fruits and yogurt on it. I also got an English tea. Taste was rather bland, so I used quite some salt.

Again this breakfast look way more generous than standard, in comparison to this what LH serve look abysmal. Although I'm not too fond on that tray design looks really bad. Also the lack of linen wasn't nice.

"Wheels Up!"
//Jonas

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: airbuseric
Posted 2012-03-17 05:26:02 and read 7489 times.

Hi,

thanks for your further replies after some years

Quoting Jafa (Reply 21):
If the lack of slald dressign was such an annoyance why didnt you simply ask the crew for some?

I could've done that, but it wasn't such an annoyance, but just something I noticed. I is an item which shouldn't be missed at the meal tray

Quoting Jafa (Reply 21):
At my airline once you consume alcohol you cannot return to the jumpseat/flight deck. Interesting to see other way of doing that.

Some hours in between consumption and back on the deck...

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 22):
yes that's indeed an array of types, however it seems more like that B77W showed up more on exception than regularity. At least based on the impression I've gotten

In 2009/2010 we got the 77W in AMS quite regularly together with 772, and less 744's

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 22):
And so that you could collect those Delft Blue Houses

Not a reason at all to fly. Just the more convenient departure time from NRT and the IFE keeps me awake better flying homebound

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 22):
Does F Class get red BP's?

Indeed, F -class have red on the BP

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 22):
But doesn't the B747 justify more cargo capacity that made up for the decreased revenue from the low passenger count?

The 772/744 have rather equal cargo capacity. On JL's lowerdeck config, the 772 can carry more palletized cargo then the 744, so the 772 takes more volume and all together, have a better offering for cargo compared to 744.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 22):
10 hours is still quite short I'd say. Is the flight always that quick?

Depends, the 744 flies faster then 777's, plus the wind is a major factor. We did the flightplanning in 9h24m once, but also managed 11h50m in certain times.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 22):
did those flights count as working hours also?

No

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 22):
I would've done that job for free, you know

You do everything for free it seems

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 22):
No Chablis on offer for you? And why didn't they serve Champagne!

Of course, Chablis was standard on offer. I took Bourgogne. And of course they had Champagne. But I do not take everything what's on offer (like you would do, maybe?)

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 22):
Also very surprised that they serve Foie Grass in Business Class, only AF do that. But then again the Japanese have a thing for the french, so...

That is JL/AMS decision by our (Dutch) catering manager. He was a cook himself also in private life. JL doesn't offer foie gras standard on flights, it's very route-restricted. Catering differs per route/3 month cycle and had 3 choices in C-class. Japanese have a thing for the french is certainly not an issue here Jonas. It's about quality food and the ideas of the catering manager only.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 22):
Btw did you eat the ham, or leave it aside?

I left it aside.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 22):
No other liqueurs on offer, like Cognac or Cointreau?

Of course, everything is available. Why do you think it's not? The service on JL is that crew come along the aisle after mealservice, with a small basket with miniatures. If you want something else you can of course ask. It's all in the menu.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 22):
Well still very generous of JAL to offer a proper mid-flight snack, and the flight was only 10 hours after all.

The looks of this sandwich were not really good, imho. That has nothing to do with the flighttime, just about presentation.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 22):
Although I'm not too fond on that tray design looks really bad. Also the lack of linen wasn't nice.

As you could read, I asked the crew to bring me the tray before service started. So I didn't ask for the normal passenger service, which would -of course- mean linen was to be used.

Eric

Topic: RE: Executive (C) Class To Japan On JAL (+pics)
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2012-03-24 13:59:46 and read 6253 times.

Catching up on reports, and this was an interesting read for me. First of all, I like the fact that you can provide an unbiased review. So many airline folks (especially the Middle East ones) are near paid advertising and very off-putting. This was such a breath of fresh air!

I was surprised by how poor JL meals looked as they have consistently been good for me. Anyways, maybe, this was an one-off?

Thanks for writing it up.

Saludos,
A.


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