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Topic: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-12-31 05:44:18 and read 32767 times.




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Background
July and August are always busy months for me at work, so I decided to book a special weekend trip as a compensation. Even though I had to restrict the trip to Saturday and Sunday, I didn't want to stay in Europe. And I wanted to get at least one widebody and/or one new airline. I focused on the Gulf region, but interesting options were limited. Etihad Airways caught my attention after a while which was offering cheap flights to a number of destinations (e.g. Doha and Bahrain). I already flew on Etihad's A330-200 some years ago, but in mid-August the magnificent A340-600 showed up on the Abu Dhabi-Munich route which was very tempting.

I was about to book a trip to Bahrain (A320, A332 twice, A346), but then I suddenly discovered something else. After rather casually entering "CAI" into the booking search engine, I found a Lufthansa combo on Expedia which not only included a PrivatAir 737-800 (Munich-Cairo), but also an EgyptAir A330-200 (Cairo-Frankfurt). Two new airlines - including a very special one - and a widebody - good flying times and a long layover at FRA = simply perfect! The combo was a bit more expensive than the Etihad option, but I didn't mind at all and quickly booked it. After receiving the booking confirmation, I immediately reserved my desired seats on Lufthansa's website.

But what would a PlaneHunter trip be without domestic flights? Due to the relatively early arrival at Cairo (13:00), I could easily make a domestic round trip before spending the night at a hotel near Cairo Airport. Of course I wanted to include a flight on EgyptAir Express so that I would get another new airline. After searching for a while, it was clear that Luxor would be the most appropriate destination for that mission. I decided to fly CAI-LXR on an EgyptAir A320 and LXR-CAI on EgyptAir Express (Embraer 170). Fares were reasonable - and since Business Class was only slightly more expensive, I secured a seat up front on the A320. By doing so, I would also be able to visit a lounge at Cairo's new Terminal 3.

Unfortunately, EgyptAir didn't accept my MasterCard for any reason when I tried to book the domestic flights on its website. The payment process finally worked fine with my VISA card. Then another problem occurred: Even though there was an option to pre-reserve seats online, it didn't work. It was simply not possible to save my choice of seats. So I wrote a short e-mail to EgyptAir with desired seat numbers. Surprisingly, I quickly received a nice reply with a confirmation of my seat requests.  thumbsup 

Finally, I reserved a room at the Novotel Cairo Airport. Due to my long layover at FRA on the return journey (more than five hours), fellow A.net member LH4532 (Daniel) and I took the chance to arrange a meeting at Terminal 2. No doubt, this weekend looked very promising...however, when I checked the reservation about three weeks prior to the trip, the system suddenly showed a 737-800 on the CAI-FRA sector instead of the A330-200 which was very disappointing.  thumbsdown  At least I was able to reserve seat 35A on Lufthansa's website. Anyway, I kept hoping for another change until departure.


Part I can be found here:
Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir (by PlaneHunter Nov 29 2011 in Trip Reports)





Saturday, August 2011
Cairo (CAI) - Luxor (LXR)
EgyptAir MS162
Scheduled times: 17:00-18:00
Actual times: 16:57-18:00
Flight duration: 00:48 (hrs)
Distance: 317 miles
Business Class, seat 10A

Airbus A320-232
SU-GCA (MSN 2073)
Delivered in 10/2003


1st flight on SU-GCA
39th A320-200 flight
40th A320 flight
72nd A32X flight
122nd airline



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After arriving on Lufthansa/PrivatAir from Munich, I passed an EgyptAir transfer desk and decided to ask for the status of my two domestic flights - I really didn't want to get stranded at Luxor in the evening. I was the one and only passenger there, so a friendly female agent immediately took care of my request. She looked a bit surprised when she saw my Cairo-Luxor-Cairo itinerary. "You are going back on the same day?", she asked. I confirmed, but didn't elaborate. Then she told me that everything was fine with both flights, replaced my self-printed OLCI boarding pass for the CAI-LXR flight by a real one and also handed out a lounge invitation card. Unfortunately, she wasn't able yet to check me in for the LXR-CAI flight. Then she directed me towards the domestic gate area, but I told her that I wanted to pass immigration first. She replied that this would also be possible in Luxor, but I preferred to do it in Cairo - just in case of a possible flight delay.

Once again, there were no lines when I changed money, bought a visa ($15) and went to the immigration counters. A female officer with a mobile phone at her ear waved at me and quickly stamped my passport. She continued speaking on the phone and therefore didn't ask me any questions. Some moments later, I stepped into the Terminal 3 main hall:



Then I passed security and went to the concourse where my flight to Luxor was scheduled to depart from. It was totally deserted:



Only few planes were active on this Saturday afternoon, so I went straight to the Elteir Lounge (domestic lounge):



The one-room lounge is quite small, but there was only a handful of other passengers around. Unfortunately, you cannot see any planes from that room:



Sandwiches, pastries and apples were available...



...as well as hot and cold (non-alcoholic) drinks:



The sandwiches with cheese and cold cuts didn't look fresh, so I just ate a few biscuits. It was nice to find Mountain Dew in the fridge, but I was shocked when I discovered lots of dirt on my can's rim. Other cans didn't look different - and the glasses in the cupboard hadn't been polished after dishwashing. That's not what you'd expect to find in a Star Alliance member's Business Class lounge!  thumbsdown  Anyway, I was thirsty and cleaned the can myself. Here's what I got:


Once again, I asked for the status of my domestic flights and the friendly female agent in the lounge confirmed that both would operate as scheduled. Then I grabbed a bottle of water and left the lounge so that I could continue spotting from the gate area.

I was glad to find large clean windows in the gate area, but those are intensely colored blue, as you can see in the next few pictures. My PrivatAir 737-800 on the way back to Munich:



Lufthansa A340-300 D-AIFD getting prepared for its return flight to Frankfurt:



Saudi Arabian 747-400 HZ-AIW and EgyptAir A320-200 SU-GCC:



bmi A321-200 G-MEDJ and EgyptAir A320-200 SU-GCA which turned out to be my plane to Luxor:



EgyptAir's A330-200 SU-GCJ, 737-800 SU-GCS in Star Alliance colors and 777-200ER SU-GBY:



About 45 minutes before departure I went to my gate, but I had to wait outside for some more time together with many other passengers because security officers hadn't started working yet. I wish these gate security checkpoints would disappear everywhere. After passing the checkpoint and a after a boarding pass check I could finally enter the gate.

SU-GCA, one of 12 active A320s in the fleet, first flew in July 2003 and was delivered three months later:



SU-GBY, can't you take over the flight to Luxor?  Wink



Boarding commenced early without any announcements - there was just an agent shouting something in Arabic while heading to the gate exit in order to open the door. Since I had taken a seat nearby, I was among the first passengers to board.

The flights attendants smiled and said hello, but didn't check boarding passes. Oriental boarding music was played which I found quite appropriate. EgyptAir's narrowbodies are equipped with "real" Business Class seats - here's my seat 10A which turned out to be quite comfortable:



Plenty of legroom for this short flight:


Even though seat comfort was fine, the seats and the whole cabin looked worn on this 2003-built plane. What I found most disappointing were the totally scratched windows which made it impossible to take clear pictures through.

A nice female flight attendant offered a pre-departure drink and I asked for orange juice. She replied that only apple, guava and mango juices were available and I opted for guava. Some moments later, another female flight attendant gave me a glass and a bottle of water:


I was wondering about that, but the other flight attendant soon returned with my guava juice - so it became clear that the water had been served additionally. Unfortunately, the juice was not chilled:



Inflight magazine and combined A320/A321 safety card:



Most interesting pages for enthusiasts:



Judging from the immense passenger flow, Economy Class was packed. However, only two people - including myself - were seated in Business Class. My impression was that the other passenger was an EgyptAir employee, but I could be wrong.

"Welcome on this Boeing 73...er...Airbus 320...", a flight attendant (purser?) said in her welcome speech - well, we all have bad days.  Wink According to her, the flying time would be 1 hour and 10 minutes. Shortly afterwards, the (relatively young) captain and a technical staff member showed up and checked something on the ceiling near the Business and Economy Class divider. They soon disappeared again and I don't know what exactly they had looked at - probably a malfunctioning light or sign.

Shortly after I had boarded, a flight attendant had placed a trolley on the floor between rows 8 and 9 on the opposite side - and when the plane was about to leave the gate, I noticed that it was still there. And yes, it would remain there during takeoff - at least it would be removed before landing:



Before pushback, screens were folded out and verses from the Koran sounded through the cabin:



We left the gate three minutes ahead of schedule - engine and wingtip view through scratched window:



I was still hoping to find an EgyptAir A330-200 at my gate on the next day - most preferably SU-GCK in Star Alliance colors:



Safety video showing an A300:


What caught my attention was the remark that electronic devices including cameras "have direct effect on systems...".

The plane taxied to runway 05C without stopping and already started its powerful takeoff run before reaching the centerline - taking decent pictures was impossible because I was facing the sun:



As soon as the seatbelt signs had been switched off, I took some more cabin pictures:



There were 16 Business Class seats on this A320:



Exactly nine minutes after takeoff, a flight attendant offered another drink. This time I ordered mango juice - and some moments later I got this (non-chilled) carton:


The mango juice was too sweet for my taste and I was hoping to get a decent small snack. According to an announcement by the captain, descent would already commence in 15 minutes - but that was still enough time for a small snack in my opinion. Actually I even smelled food being heated up - but I didn't get anything which was a bit disappointing. Probably the crew members had warmed up their own meals...well, they must have been busy - either with eating or chatting - because they didn't show up any more for the rest of the flight. There was only one exception when a flight attendant brought a wet towel.

The scenery would have looked great through an unscratched window:



A comic TV feature was shown on the screens which didn't bother me per se, but the volume was too loud:



Nobody picked up the empty juice carton and the wet towel...


...and nobody showed up for a seat belt check. After landing I would find out that I really had forgotten to fasten my seat belt again after my short cabin picture excursion.  Yeah sure

Final approach:






We touched down after a flying time of 48 minutes and taxied to a remote parking position quite far from the terminal building. I didn't see another aircraft anywhere.

Of course I took some more pictures of the plane in the beautiful evening light:



The Horus on the fuselage looks really pretty, doesn't it?




Luxor Airport
After leaving the bus, I went straight to the exit and watched out for a sign which would show me the way to the departure hall. Unfortunately, I didn't see anything like that, so I asked an officer (police, military or whatever) who was sitting on a chair and watching the arriving passengers. However, he just started rubbing his fingers without saying anything. "Money? Keep on dreaming!", I thought, left the building and tried to find the right direction myself.

I had to walk around two corners of the building until I finally found an entrance to the departure hall. The whole area outside was deserted which I found a bit strange. When I arrived at the security checkpoints, an officer asked for my ticket. I showed him my printout, but when he read "Cairo", he shook his head, said something like "international" and directed me towards the exit. So I went outside again, walked some more steps and entered the domestic side of the hall. There were identical checkpoints on the domestic side and I soon realized that both international and domestic passengers would end up in the same check-in hall after passing security...  Yeah sure

Anyway, a group of three officers was hanging around in front of the domestic checkpoints and all of them looked quite bored. "Passport", one of them loudly said, followed by "ticket". Some moments later, one of the officers shouted something in Arabic to a guy sitting behind the check-in desks. The guy shouted back and the officer turned towards me and said: "Two hours!" I quickly understood - it wasn't possible to check in more than two hours before departure. Therefore, I wasn't allowed to enter the check-in hall.  Yeah sure One of the officers pointed towards the international side and said "cafeteria", but I decided to sit down on a chair near the checkpoints. As soon as the officers went outside to smoke, I took a picture of that area:






Saturday, August 2011
Luxor (LXR) - Cairo (CAI)
EgyptAir Express MS368
Scheduled times: 20:55-22:05
Actual times: 20:53-22:07
Flight duration: 00:57 (hrs)
Distance: 317 miles
Economy Class, seat 36A

Embraer 170
SU-GCY (MSN 17000185)
Delivered in 09/2007


1st flight on SU-GCY
4th Embraer 170 flight
8th E-Jet flight
123rd airline



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Finally, exactly two hours before departure, I passed security and a friendly EgyptAir agent handed out my boarding pass. I asked whether the flight would depart on time and he confirmed. The whole check-in area was deserted - and so was the gate area:



These chairs weren't comfortable at all:


Most shops were closed which wasn't surprising. However, within the next 90 minutes, some dozens of people showed up, so the flight wouldn't operate empty.

My Embraer 170 arrived on time, but I couldn't see much in the darkness through the windows. After the bus ride, I was finally able to identify the aircraft: it was SU-GCY - delivered in September 2007 and still wearing the old tail colors:



The young female flight attendants, wearing different uniforms than their mainline colleagues, appeared rather indifferent. The leather seats were comfortable and I really like the combination of colors...



...but the seats were worn and partly dirty. Legroom was sufficient for this short leg:



Safety instructions:



The load factor (60-70 percent) turned out to be better than expected after the arrival of a second bus. Most importantly, the seat next to me remained empty. Apart from a standard welcome message by a flight attendant, I didn't hear any other announcements. The guys on the flight deck would keep silent all the time.

We left the parking position two minutes ahead of schedule...


...taxied to the runway without stopping and climbed into the night sky after a powerful takeoff run.

Only cold drinks were served on this hop to Cairo and I ordered a lemon soda:



Cabin shot:


The cabin was worn in general, but the rear lavatory's condition was even worse. The tapware in particular was totally battered - and I was shocked when I opened the toilet lid. I don't know if another passenger had intensively used the toilet since departure or if it hadn't been cleaned before the flight. It looked and smelled disgusting...  Embarrassment
Last but not least, there were only a few pieces of soap instead of a liquid soap container.  thumbsdown 

We touched down after a flying time of 57 minutes and taxied to a remote parking position. There were some 20 other EgyptAir and EgyptAir Express planes around, so I could log a few more registrations during the following bus ride. Last shot of SU-GCY:


After booking my room at the Novotel Cairo Airport, I had transmitted my flight data for the free pick-up service. The hotel then offered to send a representative to the arrivals area and I agreed. When I entered the terminal building after the bus ride, I was positively surprised to find a Novotel representative with my name on a sign already waiting here in the gate area - that was a very good service! The young man was very friendly and even spoke German - so we had an interesting conversation while walking to the shuttle pick-up zone. After a 3 minute ride, I arrived at the hotel door.


Novotel Cairo Airport
While the hotel lobby looks nice, many other parts of the building show their age. The receptionists were very friendly and helpful and quickly checked me in. The room was a bit worn down as well, but okay on the whole:


The breakfast buffet on the next morning was alright, but nothing to write home about. I wasn't overly impressed by the hotel in general, but I guess I would choose it again because it's the closest to the airport. That's a lovely front view, isn't it?  Wink



[Edited 2011-12-31 06:38:04]

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-12-31 06:36:52 and read 32767 times.


Sunday, August 2011
Cairo (CAI) - Frankfurt (FRA)
EgyptAir MS785
Scheduled times: 09:45-14:10
Actual times: 10:03-14:44
Flight duration: 03:58 (hrs)
Distance: 1817 miles
Business Class, seat 11A

Boeing 737-866
SU-GCR (s/n 2826)
Delivered in 03/2009


1st flight on SU-GCR
24th 737-800 flight
34th 737 NG flight
60th 737 flight



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After taking the hotel shuttle to Terminal 3 more than two hours before departure, I went straight to the check-in area. During the online check-in process for my Lufthansa/PrivatAir flight on Friday I had already received the boarding pass for the Cairo-Frankfurt flight on EgyptAir (LH flight number) - more than 40 hours before departure. Usually you cannot check in for Lufthansa flights more than 23 hours before departure. I found that very odd, so I decided to let an agent check my status and seat number 35A again. Additionally, I asked for a possible aircraft change. The friendly agent confirmed that I was already checked in and he quickly issued a real boarding pass. Unfortunately, he also told me that the aircraft type hadn't changed...  thumbsdown 

I immediately passed security so that I could to log as many registrations as possible until departure. However, spotting options weren't good in that international part of Terminal 3. I couldn't find an area offering good runway/apron views, security checkpoints prevented access to the gates. So I took a seat in one of the crowded corridors and killed the time by reading.

As soon as my gate was opened, I passed security and took a seat near a window. The gate exit gave access to two different jet bridges, so I first thought SU-GDA would be my plane...


...but I soon realized that sister ship SU-GCR would operate flight MS785 to Frankfurt today. It's one of 17 Boeing 737-800s in the fleet and was delivered in March 2009.

When boarding was about to commence, a young female EgyptAir agent showed up in my corner, looked around and called my last name. I was very surprised about that and started wondering what was going on. After I had made myself known, she asked for my boarding pass, took it, crossed out "35A" and wrote down "11A" next to it. "You have seat 11A now", she said.  alert 
Of course I wasn't amused. "What's the reason for that? Aircraft change?", I asked. "No, boarding issues", she just replied with a smile and disappeared. Now I was really annoyed - I had not only lost the desired A330, but also the pre-selected seat in the second last row. I don't like sitting in forward Economy Class sections at all and therefore I wasn't looking forward to that flight any more.  Embarrassment

Boarding commenced and I made my way to SU-GCR...


...but while being stuck in queue near the door I suddenly remembered that row numbering in the A320 Business Class section started at 8. Would it be similar on the company's 737-800s?  hot  I was feeling very excited now and couldn't wait to step on board.

I received a friendly welcome by a female flight attendant, but she didn't check my boarding pass. As soon as I entered the Business Class section, I immediately checked the row numbers and I couldn't believe what I saw: 8...9...10...and 11. My new seat 11A was located in the fourth row of Business Class! What a great surprise!  bigthumbsup 

In contrast to most European carriers, EgyptAir chose "real" Business Class seats for these birds...



...and those are even equipped with seat back screens:



The seat was a bit hard, but still comfortable - and there was plenty of legroom. Perfect for the next five hours!



Parked next to us was A321-200 SU-GBW:



The window was in much better condition this time:



Only few passengers took a seat in Business Class, while the flow of Economy Class passengers seemed to be endless. While all these people kept passing, I started wondering why EgyptAir decided to upgrade me considering that I paid a low fare for my flights and don't have any status. I guess they really had some boarding issues - probably they tried to sit together a family and needed to re-seat someone travelling alone. But why did they pick me? Probably because I had checked in so early? Probably because they checked my itinerary and therefore assumed that I'm not a normal passenger? Probably because the guy in the A320 Business Class section on the day before was an influential EgyptAir employee who - after seeing me taking pictures of everything - assumed I would test the product? I guess I will never find out. Anyway, I had to go back to "work".  Wink

The audio/video on-demand IFE system offers a choice of 19 movies in various languages, 11 games, 17 music CDs and information features. Main menu:



Touchscreen navigation is impractical due to the distance between seat and screen, but there's also a handset:



An IFE guide can be found in the inflight magazine:



Now it didn’t bother me any more to be on a 737:



"Would you like to have a drink?", a friendly young female flight attendant asked. She offered guava and apple juice as well as water and I ordered guava juice again. Unfortunately, just like on the A320, the juice wasn't chilled:


By the way - EgyptAir is a "dry" airline, but I wouldn't have ordered an alcoholic drink on that day anyway.

Shortly after serving pre-departure drinks, the young female flight attendant distributed hot towels - but this time those were soon re-collected again. Then she offered newspapers and handed out headphones:





Even though the scheduled departure time had already passed, the main door was still open. Suddenly the captain and a mechanic showed up and the latter checked something on the floor or at the window seat in the first Business Class row. I asked the young female flight attendant how long the flight would be delayed. "25 minutes, but I will check again", she replied and went back to the galley. She didn't come back, but the mechanic soon disappeared and the door was finally closed. By the way - the aisle seat next to me as well as both seats in the opposite row had remained empty - that's what I call privacy!  thumbsup 

We left the gate 18 minutes behind schedule and verses from the Koran sounded through the cabin:



The captain spoke a few words after the safety video and announced a flying time of 4 hours and 30 minutes. Then we spent some time on the taxiway, because it was quite busy in the morning. Two airlines, four different color schemes:



We finally turned onto runway 05R more than 20 minutes after leaving the gate...



...and lifted off after a powerful and long takeoff roll. I really enjoyed the scenery:





Highway and 737 shadow:



Wide left turn almost completed:



Nice amenity kits were distributed by the friendly male purser shortly after takeoff:



The kit contained more than you need on such a flight - just too bad that the toilet water had already evaporated:



As usual, I skipped the other IFE options and watched the airshow most of the time:







Nice little clouds over the Mediterranean Sea:



The young female flight attendant offered another drink and due to the lack of ginger ale, I ordered 7 Up with ice:



Relax mode with airshow and music from my MP3 player:



Our flight path led over Crete:



Southern coastline and mountains:



This is the Hellenic Air Force Base of Kastelli from which the military operates F-16 Fighting Falcon jets:


Since 1986 there have been plans to build a replacement for Heraklion International Airport on the south western side of the air base.

We passed Heraklion International Airport one minute later:



More than an hour had already passed and I started wondering when lunch would be served. 15 minutes later I noticed that the flight attendants had become busy in the galley, so I was expecting to get something soon. More than 1.5 hours after takeoff, the purser set my table:



Here's the Horus again:



The young female flight attendant soon served a nice tray with a variety of appetizers. Most items tasted quite good, some others didn't:



After I had finished the first course, the young female flight attendant came back with a trolley and offered a choice between fish, chicken and beef. I decided to try the latter:


No doubt, the main course wasn't an optical delight - and I wasn't overly impressed by the quality either. The meat had been cooked a bit too long...


...and the sauce tasted bland and could have been warmer. The vegetables had also been cooked too long and the mashed potatoes were sticky. I was hungry and ate everything, but I wouldn't be happy to get such a main course in a restaurant.

Finally, the young female flight attendant showed up with the dessert trolley and offered a choice between Baklava (sweet pastry with nuts and honey) and a small chocolate mousse cake. "Would you like to have this or that?", she asked with a smile. "I'd like to try both!", I replied. "Er...yes", she said and seemed to be slightly irritated. Well, did she seriously assume I'd be satisfied with one small dessert?  Wink
After she had handed out the two plates to me, she returned to the galley to refill her almost empty trolley so that she could offer the last remaining Business Class passenger a choice as well...I guess that's the reason why she had reacted a bit hesitantly to my request.

Anyway, here's what I got, together with coffee:



Very pretty cup and saucer:


Both the pieces of Baklava and the cake tasted quite good - but I guess many people would find all that too sweet. The coffee wasn't bad either. No doubt, I was full after that meal. Now it was time to recline the seat for a while.  Wink


Meanwhile we were cruising over Croatia. This is Zagreb Airport:



Cabin picture time - I really like these color tones:


Our plane was equipped with 24 Business Class seats - but there was only a handful of passengers in that section.

Luckily, the lavatory was clean and in good condition on this flight. Various care products:



Only 40 more minutes to go:



Descent commenced and we soon plunged into thick clouds:



Final approach from the east over the Main River - in the middle of the picture you can see the coal-fired thermal power station in Großkrotzenburg:



We touched down after a flying time of 3 hours and 58 minutes...



...and taxied to a gate at Terminal 1B where we arrived 34 minutes behind schedule. I quickly sent a message to Daniel and told him that it would take me about 20 more minutes to reach our meeting point at Terminal 2.

Lufthansa A340-600 D-AIHK was parked next to us, in the background you can see a Lufthansa A380 and an Omni International 767-300ER:



Thank you for the upgrade, EgyptAir!



I thanked the purser for the good service and quickly left the plane. Two more pictures of this nice 737:




Luckily, there weren't any queues at passport control this time. I quickly checked in for my Lufthansa flight to Munich and then took the Skytrain to Terminal 2.


Frankfurt Spotting
It was nice to meet Daniel so soon again - unlike at the A.net meeting in July, we had much more time to talk on this afternoon. Of course we went to the observation deck and enjoyed spotting for a couple of hours.

Daniel kindly sent me some of his pictures for this report. SriLankan A340-300 4R-ADC:

Picture by LH4532


Condor 767-300ER D-ABUH with "Peanuts" stickers:

Picture by LH4532


TUIfly 737-800 D-AHFZ in "ARD Fernsehlotterie" (public TV lottery) colors, appropriately named "GlücksbringAIR" ("Glücksbringer" = "lucky charm"):

Picture by LH4532


Saudi Arabian A320-200 HZ-ASD:

Picture by LH4532


Air China Cargo 747-400F:

Picture by LH4532


JAL's JA731J in "Sky Eco" colors and with "COP10" markings (10th session of the UNCCD Conference of Parties) is the second-built 777-300ER:

Picture by LH4532


Air Transat A330-200 C-GITS:

Picture by LH4532


I was glad to see Lufthansa's A380 D-AIMF "Zürich" again which flew me from Johannesburg to Frankfurt in May (report can be found here):


After almost three hours it was time to leave the observation deck. Daniel accompanied me to Terminal 1A, we said goodbye and I headed to my gate. A321-100 D-AIRO "Konstanz" - a new registration for me - operated flight LH120 to Munich on this evening. It was my 11th A321 flight – and, just as expected, a totally eventless one.



Conclusion
I really enjoyed EgyptAir's international Business Class product on the 737-800 flight - comfortable seating, nice IFE, friendly service and plenty of food. However, main course quality and presentation were a letdown. The Business Class product on the A320 domestic flight was okay in general. Seating comfort was good and I got three drinks, but a snack would have been nice. However, the Business Class fare was only slightly more expensive than the Economy Class fare. There's not much to say about the domestic Economy Class product on the E-Jet. I had a comfortable seat and got a free drink which was fine. However, what I found irritating were the safety issues on the A320 flight. And I can only wonder about the condition of the A320 and E-Jet interiors - there's a lot of room for improvement. Last but not least - the domestic lounge at Cairo is not a good advert for this Star Alliance member either.

As for the trip in general: I flew on three new interesting carriers, passed through two new airports, logged a total of 56 new registrations and had a nice meeting with Daniel. I didn't get the desired EgyptAir A330, but the upgrade to Business Class was a perfect compensation. No doubt, this was a great weekend!  thumbsup 


Best Regards,
PlaneHunter



P.S.: Just in case you missed them - my previous trip reports:
Long-Haul Cabin On A 737: MUC-CAI On PrivatAir
1 Day, 2 Highlights: Big A.net Meeting & LAN A340
Imperfect Giant: CPT-JNB-FRA On SA A332 & LH A380
BA Vs. LCC, African Way: JNB-DUR-CPT, Comair/Mango
Africa's Best Airline? FRA-JNB On SAA A340-600
Fuel Dump & Return To CDG: Enroute To LAX On 9/11
Greek Quality: Aegean, Olympic & Istanbul Spotting
Exploring A Virgin: VS A343/A346 & Dubai Delights
Superb Stübli & Crew: LAS-LAX-ZRH-MUC, LX J Class
Grand Canyon & More: Scenic Flight On Dornier 228
San Francisco Sunshine...and A Frontier Fiasco
Fully Flat Bed to SFO: SWISS' New Business Class
Mountains, Meals & More: SunExpress Vs. Pegasus
Crossing Two Oceans: AKL-SFO-MUC, NZ 777 & LH A346
Bad Weather & Other Bad Luck: Touring New Zealand
Trans-Tasman Treat: Aerolineas Argentinas A340-200
Detours To Sydney: Wildlife, Tiger, REX & QFLink
Thai Fails To Impress: MUC-BKK-BNE On 744 & 777
Painful Delay & My 100th Airline: AF A380, VO F100
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The Dead Slow Transfer: PEK-MUC On Air China A332
Cancellation Brings Joy: HKG-PEK on Dragonair A330
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Sin City Gloss & Virgin America's Chic First Class
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On Par With Air France? DTW-AMS-MUC, KLM A330
Goodbye, Red Tails! DC-9-40/50 & Chicago Tour
Champagne & World Of Coke: Air France A340 To ATL
"Mission A380": Disappointing Legs On BA/BD/EI
Delights Of Doha, 773 & 77W: DOH-DXB-LHR On EK
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Quality & Style: HKG-LHR On Air New Zealand 744
Taiwan Trio: TransAsia, UNI Air And The Taipei 101
"The Wings Of Taiwan": EVA Air A332, 744 Combi
SHA-SZX, Shanghai 757: Delayed By The Military
PEK-SHA, China Eastern A330 & Shanghai At Night
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Short & Splendid: MXP-MUC On Air Dolomiti's 146
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Low Fares, Lovely Island: AK & Best Of Langkawi
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First And Last Time? JFK-FCO-MUC, Alitalia 777
JFK For 1 Day: Transatlantic Hop On CSA's A310
Sardinian Sun, Shiny New 73Gs & Cramped Mad Dog
Top And Flop: KIX-HEL-MUC, Finnair A320 & MD-11
The 524-Seat Twin-jet: HND-ITM On ANA 777-300
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Rocketing To Tokyo: FUK-HND On JAL (ex-JAS) 777
Oddities & Okinawa: JTA 734 & JAL 744D(Domestic)
MUC To Nagoya: Finnair E170 & (Old) "New" A340
Mad Dog, A320 Tech Delay & Best Of Lanzarote
Canaries Prop-Hopping: Islas Airways & Naysa
Canaries And Confusion: LH CRJ900 & Spanair A321
Hubbing For 162 Miles: HOQ-FRA-STR Ret On IQ/EW/LH
BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777
ATL-PIT-JFK-BOS: FL B717, JetBlue E190 And Delays
MUC-AMS-MEM-ATL On NWA A332 And 40-year-old DC-9
FRA-BKK-FRA Via CMB: SriLankan A332 & A343
BNE-SIN-DXB-MUC On Emirates B772ER & B773
2 Hours In Paradise: Hamilton Island (JQ/DJ)
BNE-SYD-BNE: Domestic Run On QF’s Oldest B747-400
Testing Qantas: SYD-MEL-SYD-BNE (B738, B763, A332)
Going Down Under: MUC-DXB-SYD On EK A332 & A345
Surprised By NIKI's Newest A320 & Screw-up By AB
Leisure Vs. Full Service: Condor & SN Brussels
"betterFly" On LH: Business Class For 99 Euro
Weekend Transatlantic Trip (2): US A321 & B762
Transatlantic For A Weekend (1): MUC-DCA On US


[Edited 2011-12-31 06:39:50]

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: akhmad
Posted 2011-12-31 07:14:40 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

I was wondering whether your Christmas gifts would make it before the New Year’s Eve. I have been waiting for your MS premium experience (and many others ) to come.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Then she directed me towards the domestic gate area, but I told her that I wanted to pass immigration first. She replied that this would also be possible in Luxor,

Nice of her to point it out. GA has similar procedure as well in CGK and DPS.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Unfortunately, you cannot see any planes from that room:

But I can see your roll-aboard.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Here's what I got:

Mountain Dew? How did it taste?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
SU-GBY, can't you take over the flight to Luxor?   

SU-GBY only speaks Arabic, I am afraid. She did not understand you.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I opted for guava

It was not chilled, but still a nice choice!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
a flight attendant had placed a trolley on the floor between rows 8 and 9 on the opposite side - and when the plane was about to leave the gate, I noticed that it was still there. And yes, it would remain there during takeoff - at least it would be removed before landing

Why did the attendant do that?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
What caught my attention was the remark that electronic devices including cameras "have direct effect on systems...".

You know better.   


Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The Horus on the fuselage looks really pretty, doesn't it?

  


Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I soon realized that both international and domestic passengers would end up in the same check-in hall after passing security...   

So why bother separating international and domestic passengers?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
That's a lovely front view, isn't it?  

Definitely. Did you consult TripAdvisor about this?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
My new seat 11A was located in the fourth row of Business Class! What a great surprise!   

That’s why the gate agent replied to your question with a smirk.   


Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
But why did they pick me? Probably because I had checked in so early? Probably because they checked my itinerary and therefore assumed that I'm not a normal passenger? Probably because the guy in the A320 Business Class section on the day before was an influential EgyptAir employee who - after seeing me taking pictures of everything - assumed I would test the product?

Is it not great to philosophize why you were upgraded. 


Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
verses from the Koran sounded through the cabin

I cannot remember hearing the Koran verses while on board of MS 738 that time.


PH, I wish you the very best for New Year 2012. Loads of joy of flying and inspirations.

It was great to meet you in person. Our meeting was the first, but certainly not the last.  

Cheers,   
Suryo

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-12-31 07:32:31 and read 32767 times.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):

I was wondering whether your Christmas gifts would make it before the New Year’s Eve. I have been waiting for your MS premium experience (and many others ) to come.

Many thanks for your comments, Suryo! I know the report arrived here more delayed than planned, but I have been very busy recently.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
But I can see your roll-aboard.

  

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
Mountain Dew? How did it taste?

Very sweet...but it's nice to drink it once in a while.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
SU-GBY only speaks Arabic, I am afraid. She did not understand you.

Yes, unfortunately...  

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
It was not chilled, but still a nice choice!

Absolutely, quite different from the common stuff.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
Why did the attendant do that?

Good question. I don't think the bins were full - probably it was too large?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
So why bother separating international and domestic passengers?

Yes, that's what I asked myself, too.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
Did you consult TripAdvisor about this?

No, not yet.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
That’s why the gate agent replied to your question with a smirk.

Yes, probably. But she could have told me about the upgrade!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
Is it not great to philosophize why you were upgraded.

  

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
I cannot remember hearing the Koran verses while on board of MS 738 that time.

That's interesting. Was that plane already equipped with IFE?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
PH, I wish you the very best for New Year 2012. Loads of joy of flying and inspirations.

I also wish you all the best, Suryo! I have many ideas for 2012...

Quoting akhmad (Reply 2):
It was great to meet you in person. Our meeting was the first, but certainly not the last.

I can only agree. I'm sure there will be many more meetings!


PH

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: roberts87
Posted 2011-12-31 08:04:42 and read 32767 times.

Ah, I remember reading your inbound trip a little while ago, good to read about these flights now too.
Too bad you missed the A332, but I guess the upgrade made up for that. Thanks for posting!

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-12-31 08:08:07 and read 32767 times.

Quoting roberts87 (Reply 4):
Ah, I remember reading your inbound trip a little while ago, good to read about these flights now too.
Too bad you missed the A332, but I guess the upgrade made up for that. Thanks for posting!

Hi Robert, thanks for your feedback! The upgrade was indeed a perfect compensation for the loss of the A332.


PH

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: 767747
Posted 2011-12-31 08:18:00 and read 32767 times.

Great report, PlaneHunter! Happy New Year!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The sandwiches with cheese and cold cuts didn't look fresh, so I just ate a few biscuits. It was nice to find Mountain Dew in the fridge, but I was shocked when I discovered lots of dirt on my can's rim. Other cans didn't look different - and the glasses in the cupboard hadn't been polished after dishwashing. That's not what you'd expect to find in a Star Alliance member's Business Class lounge! thumbsdown Anyway, I was thirsty and cleaned the can myself. Here's what I got:

Very strange. What did they do with the cans? Drop them outside the airport in dirt when bringing them into the lounge?!  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Only few passengers took a seat in Business Class, while the flow of Economy Class passengers seemed to be endless. While all these people kept passing, I started wondering why EgyptAir decided to upgrade me considering that I paid a low fare for my flights and don't have any status. I guess they really had some boarding issues - probably they tried to sit together a family and needed to re-seat someone travelling alone. But why did they pick me? Probably because I had checked in so early? Probably because they checked my itinerary and therefore assumed that I'm not a normal passenger? Probably because the guy in the A320 Business Class section on the day before was an influential EgyptAir employee who - after seeing me taking pictures of everything - assumed I would test the product? I guess I will never find out. Anyway, I had to go back to "work". Wink

How wonderful you got the upgrade! This is something most of us think about when it happens to us - why me?! I've been upgraded a few times recently, and its been due to various reasons; once was simply because I think the agent was in a great mood!

Your trip with Egyptair brought back some memories; while it was so long ago that I traveled with them, (1997) that old livery was what I remember, with the horus on the tail. I also remember the service being a little strange, and our flights were delayed with no comment at all from the flight deck.

Looking forward to your next trip!

Matthew (767747)

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: deltamartin
Posted 2011-12-31 08:24:29 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH!

Nice to see this tripreport up, I have been looking forward to it! Great piece as usual!
EgyptAir looks decent, some nice and some letdowns. Too bad about that equipment downgrade, but as you said, the upgrade was a rather nice comensation!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
It was totally deserted:

CAI looks like a rather nice airport, based on your pictures.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
here's my seat 10A which turned out to be quite comfortable:

Does indeed look rather comfortable for a short domestic hop!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Most interesting pages for enthusiasts:

Indeed. I hate it when airlines don't have that kind of pages in their in-flight magazine.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
After the bus ride, I was finally able to identify the aircraft: it was SU-GCY - delivered in September 2007 and still wearing the old tail colors:

Nice looking livery.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
My new seat 11A was located in the fourth row of Business Class! What a great surprise!

Nice! Congrats!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
As usual, I skipped the other IFE options and watched the airshow most of the time:

Looks like a modern and nice airshow.

Martin

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-12-31 08:31:18 and read 32767 times.

Quoting 767747 (Reply 6):
Great report, PlaneHunter! Happy New Year!

Hi Matthew, many thanks for your comments! I also wish you a Happy New Year!

Quoting 767747 (Reply 6):
Very strange. What did they do with the cans? Drop them outside the airport in dirt when bringing them into the lounge?!

Probably the cans got dirty during transport. Only clean stuff should make it into a fridge!

Quoting 767747 (Reply 6):
I've been upgraded a few times recently, and its been due to various reasons;

Good to hear!

Quoting 767747 (Reply 6):
once was simply because I think the agent was in a great mood!

Nice - I'd like to have those agents all the time!  

Quoting 767747 (Reply 6):
Your trip with Egyptair brought back some memories; while it was so long ago that I traveled with them, (1997)

Sounds interesting! Which types did you get on?

Quoting 767747 (Reply 6):
I also remember the service being a little strange, and our flights were delayed with no comment at all from the flight deck.

Well, I guess MS is always good for a surprise.  

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 7):
Nice to see this tripreport up, I have been looking forward to it! Great piece as usual!

Hi Martin, thank you for your feedback!

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 7):
Too bad about that equipment downgrade, but as you said, the upgrade was a rather nice comensation!

  

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 7):
CAI looks like a rather nice airport, based on your pictures.

Yes, the new Terminal 3 is not bad - but there's room for improvement.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 7):
Nice looking livery.

Really? I have never been a fan of the old livery. The new one looks striking IMO.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 7):
Nice! Congrats!

Thanks!


PH

[Edited 2011-12-31 08:34:15]

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: akhmad
Posted 2011-12-31 09:01:27 and read 32767 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
But she could have told me about the upgrade!

Perhaps she would have until she became aware that she was talking to the legendary PH and hence wanted to surprise you. 


Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 3):
Was that plane already equipped with IFE?

I have to correct myself. The verses from the Koran were indeed read out.

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-12-31 09:03:51 and read 32767 times.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 9):

Perhaps she would have until she became aware that she was talking to the legendary PH and hence wanted to surprise you.

Good one!   

Quoting akhmad (Reply 9):
I have to correct myself. The verses from the Koran were indeed read out.

Ah, okay. I guess it's standard on planes with IFE.


PH

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: ba319-131
Posted 2011-12-31 09:11:53 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

Great read, nice bunch of pictures too, thanks for sharing.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
bought a visa ($15) and went to the immigration counters. A female officer with a mobile phone at her ear waved at me and quickly stamped my passport. She continued speaking on the phone and therefore didn't ask me any questions

- Never seen that before ever, quite unprofessional.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I was shocked when I discovered lots of dirt on my can's rim. Other cans didn't look different - and the glasses in the cupboard hadn't been polished after dishwashing. That's not what you'd expect to find in a Star Alliance member's Business Class lounge!

- Sounds a bit grotty, not what you expect in a Business Class lounge.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I was glad to find large clean windows in the gate area, but those are intensely colored blue, as you can see in the next few pictures

- Indeed, the blue tint is quite evident, something I found myself in Brazil earlier in the year.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Safety video showing an A300

- Hmm, quite generic then......

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
What caught my attention was the remark that electronic devices including cameras "have direct effect on systems...".

- I think the airlines should have a common standard and text/video with regard to electronic devices.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Exactly nine minutes after takeoff, a flight attendant offered another drink. This time I ordered mango juice - and some moments later I got this (non-chilled) carton:

- Quite un business class like. even on a domestic flight.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I wasn't overly impressed by the hotel in general, but I guess I would choose it again because it's the closest to the airport. That's a lovely front view, isn't it?  

- Yikes, looks a bit grotty from the outside.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I immediately passed security so that I could to log as many registrations as possible until departure. However, spotting options weren't good in that international part of Terminal 3. I couldn't find an area offering good runway/apron views, security checkpoints prevented access to the gates. So I took a seat in one of the crowded corridors and killed the time by reading.

- Nothing worse than lack of viewing facilities when airside.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
My new seat 11A was located in the fourth row of Business Class! What a great surprise!

- Result!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I was hungry and ate everything, but I wouldn't be happy to get such a main course in a restaurant

- Got to be honest, not a great looking meal presentation wise.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Our plane was equipped with 24 Business Class seats - but there was only a handful of passengers in that section.

- I think 24 seats is a little too many IMO, I'm sure they could reduce the J seats for more Y.

Cheers

Mark

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: infodesk
Posted 2011-12-31 09:20:01 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

Thanks for this insight into Egyptair. The domestic flights didn't create such a good impression, but at least they redeemed themselves with the lovely surprise upgrade on the FRA leg. The meal was very generous indeed, shame not all of it tasted as good as it looked.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
It was nice to find Mountain Dew in the fridge, but I was shocked when I discovered lots of dirt on my can's rim.

Not heard of this one before, is it orange based?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Of course I wasn't amused. "What's the reason for that? Aircraft change?", I asked. "No, boarding issues", she just replied with a smile and disappeared. Now I was really annoyed - I had not only lost the desired A330, but also the pre-selected seat in the second last row.

I can understand your annoyance, I would have been just the same. Still, at least there was a happy end.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
While all these people kept passing, I started wondering why EgyptAir decided to upgrade me considering that I paid a low fare for my flights and don't have any status

So there's hope for others on this forum like me! Was Y completely full?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
"I'd like to try both!", I replied. "Er...yes", she

That's the spirit. Make the most of the upgrade!

Alles Gute für das neue Jahr,

Happy flying
Infodesk   

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: lukeyboy95
Posted 2011-12-31 09:23:06 and read 32767 times.

Well done PH on another sterling report... I particularly enjoyed this one.




Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
. By doing so, I would also be able to visit a lounge at Cairo's new Terminal 3.

This seemed like a good plan untill I saw the disappointing offerings that transpired... no booze!?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Then I passed security and went to the concourse where my flight to Luxor was scheduled to depart from. It was totally deserted:

The terminal looks nice, clean and under capacity.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Economy Class was packed.

Interesting, did you get a passenger profile idea? Mostly Egyptians, or alot of tourists. This should be a really busy tourist corridor, but sadly the downturn may have affected this.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Probably the crew members had warmed up their own meals...well, they must have been busy - either with eating or chatting - because they didn't show up any more for the rest of the flight. There was only one exception when a flight attendant brought a wet towel.

har har. Very naughty... giving you false hope. Sounds terrible. I suppose Egyptair have chosen their model somewhere between a low-cost and full-service airline, but don't exactly take huge pride in the soft-product. I have never felt the inkling to try them for that reason. I could imagine 'disinterested' being a key word.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
But why did they pick me?

Because you write bloody good trip reports of course.

Enjoyed this report to Arab Africa. Well done. I find Egyptair totally uninspiring, but I liked the livery and the routing. Cairo looks impressive. Only sad that window was scratched so badly in inbound to LUXOR as the views of the green corridor around the Nile are staggering.

Cheers PH

and a happy New Year,

Luke

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: deltamartin
Posted 2011-12-31 09:24:02 and read 32767 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
Really? I have never been a fan of the old livery. The new one looks striking IMO.

I agree that the new one is great aswell! Just thought the Embraer looked great in that livery.  

Martin

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: Luxair747SP
Posted 2011-12-31 09:29:45 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

a nice report to finish 2011.
The international C class product on Egypt indeed looks quite promising, also the seats.
The domestic flights seemed to be standard, maybe they want that the Bizclass passengers eat in the lounge before the flight?

Thanks a lot for sharing and a " guten Rutsch"
Cheers Johannes

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: aflyingkiwi
Posted 2011-12-31 12:15:42 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

Thanks for the great New Year's Day treat!

Egyptair's product doesn't seem too bad. I'm quite impressed that they haven't adopted the euro-style business class but I guess some of those sectors to Europe can be quite long. It's also good to see that they offered a full 3 couse hot meal on that flight. The domestic flights seemed to be pretty much what you'd expect for a 1 hour flight.

Thanks for sharing & cheers to a Happy 2012!  

Regards,
aflyingkiwi

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: sfflyer123
Posted 2011-12-31 12:50:05 and read 32767 times.

Thank you for posting this. This is a great TR of egypt air. I think the seats are definitely not the greatest, but the flights are not super-long, so it's not horrible. They look very much like domestic United States first class seats. The food, however, looked really good, and there seemed to be lots of it, also. Thanks for posting!

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: MSS658
Posted 2011-12-31 13:17:12 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH

Wonderfull trip report, enjoyed reading it!
Egyptair's interior colors look very warm, without being to warm!
It's funny to have row 36 on an E190. Is there any reason why MS starts numbering that high?
Good to know that you got the upgrade, the perfect compenstation for a type downgrade!
While the meal does not look that appetizing and the IFE screens look a bit far and small, it's always better than flying Y.


Greetings
Marc

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: FLIEGER67
Posted 2011-12-31 13:27:02 and read 32767 times.

Hi, PH,

that´s what I call an nice evening read. And I´ve managed it before the major fireworks today.
Well done, I like the photos above the egyptian landscape, real good.

What a pity with the downgrade, same happened to me also last year from the A332 to the B738 on the very same route.

Wish you a good change for 2012,
Markus(FLIEGER67)

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: OA260
Posted 2011-12-31 13:53:15 and read 32767 times.

Hey Udo nice to read your experience on MS. Your thoughts are similar to mine. The catering main course seems to lack something but the rest is ok especially the dessert and coffee I love the cups also .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Nice amenity kits were distributed by the friendly male purser shortly after takeoff:

Still got mine and very nice to have as a keep sake.

Nice photos as usual thanks for the insight . Look forward to your reports in 2012 . Happy New Year  

Regards

Philip  

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2011-12-31 23:55:29 and read 32767 times.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 11):

Great read, nice bunch of pictures too, thanks for sharing.

Hi Mark, many thanks for your comments!

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 11):
Never seen that before ever, quite unprofessional.

Yes, I was quite surprised about that.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 11):
Sounds a bit grotty, not what you expect in a Business Class lounge.

  

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 11):
I think the airlines should have a common standard and text/video with regard to electronic devices.

I can only agree.

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 11):
Quite un business class like. even on a domestic flight.

  

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 11):
Nothing worse than lack of viewing facilities when airside.

So true!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
Thanks for this insight into Egyptair.

Hi Hannah, thanks for your reply!

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
The domestic flights didn't create such a good impression, but at least they redeemed themselves with the lovely surprise upgrade on the FRA leg.

  

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
Not heard of this one before, is it orange based?

No, it's citrus-flavored.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
I can understand your annoyance, I would have been just the same. Still, at least there was a happy end.

  

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
So there's hope for others on this forum like me! Was Y completely full?

Yes, I think so.

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
That's the spirit. Make the most of the upgrade!

  

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
Alles Gute für das neue Jahr,

Wünsche ich Dir auch!

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 13):
Well done PH on another sterling report... I particularly enjoyed this one.

Thanks a lot, Luke! Good to hear you enjoyed reading.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 13):
This seemed like a good plan untill I saw the disappointing offerings that transpired... no booze!?

EgytAir is a "dry" airline!

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 13):
Interesting, did you get a passenger profile idea? Mostly Egyptians, or alot of tourists. This should be a really busy tourist corridor, but sadly the downturn may have affected this.

Mostly Egyptians, I noticed just a few tourists.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 13):

Because you write bloody good trip reports of course.

Thanks a lot!

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 13):
Enjoyed this report to Arab Africa. Well done. I find Egyptair totally uninspiring, but I liked the livery and the routing.

The livery is indeed great. And I like the fleet mix.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 13):
Only sad that window was scratched so badly in inbound to LUXOR as the views of the green corridor around the Nile are staggering.

Yes, that's too bad!

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 13):
and a happy New Year,

Happy New Year, too!

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 14):
I agree that the new one is great aswell! Just thought the Embraer looked great in that livery.

EgyptAir Express keeps its different basic livery.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 15):
a nice report to finish 2011.

Hi Johannes, thanks for your feedback!

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 15):
The international C class product on Egypt indeed looks quite promising, also the seats.

The seats were really nice.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 15):
The domestic flights seemed to be standard, maybe they want that the Bizclass passengers eat in the lounge before the flight?

But the offerings weren't really good.

Quoting Luxair747SP (Reply 15):
Thanks a lot for sharing and a " guten Rutsch"

Frohes neues Jahr, Johannes!

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 16):
Thanks for the great New Year's Day treat!
Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 16):
Thanks for sharing & cheers to a Happy 2012!

Hi aflyingkiwi, many thanks for your comments! I wish you a Happy New Year, too!

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 16):
I'm quite impressed that they haven't adopted the euro-style business class but I guess some of those sectors to Europe can be quite long.

Yes, their 738s fly on really long routes.

Quoting aflyingkiwi (Reply 16):
It's also good to see that they offered a full 3 couse hot meal on that flight.

I didn't have to leave that plane hungry!

Quoting sfflyer123 (Reply 17):
Thank you for posting this. This is a great TR of egypt air.

Many thanks, sfflyer123!

Quoting sfflyer123 (Reply 17):
I think the seats are definitely not the greatest, but the flights are not super-long, so it's not horrible.

They were quite comfortable actually.

Quoting sfflyer123 (Reply 17):
The food, however, looked really good, and there seemed to be lots of it, also.

Yes, I cannot complain about the quantity.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
Wonderfull trip report, enjoyed reading it!

Thanks a lot, Marc!

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
Egyptair's interior colors look very warm, without being to warm!

The interior on the 738 is really nice.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
It's funny to have row 36 on an E190. Is there any reason why MS starts numbering that high?

I haven't found that out yet.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
Good to know that you got the upgrade, the perfect compenstation for a type downgrade!

  

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
While the meal does not look that appetizing and the IFE screens look a bit far and small, it's always better than flying Y.

No doubt about that!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 19):
that´s what I call an nice evening read. And I´ve managed it before the major fireworks today.
Well done, I like the photos above the egyptian landscape, real good.

Servus Markus, thanks for your comments!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 19):
What a pity with the downgrade, same happened to me also last year from the A332 to the B738 on the very same route.

Yes, I remember that well.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 20):
Hey Udo nice to read your experience on MS. Your thoughts are similar to mine.

Thanks for your feedback, Phil! I still remember your MS report!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 20):
Nice photos as usual thanks for the insight .

I'm glad you liked it!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 20):
Look forward to your reports in 2012 . Happy New Year

Happy New Year, too!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 20):
The catering main course seems to lack something but the rest is ok especially the dessert and coffee I love the cups also .

The cups are really beautiful.



PH

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: MSS658
Posted 2012-01-01 00:18:55 and read 32767 times.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 18):
Egyptair's interior colors look very warm, without being to warm!

oopss.. meaning "without being to bright" iso to warm. replying to TR's after a big NY eve dinner didn't seem the best thing to do!

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: burj
Posted 2012-01-01 01:07:28 and read 32767 times.

Very cool trip report!

That is so cool that you got upgraded...BUT....

If MS is going to have nice table tray clothes with Horus embroidered on them....they should be place with Horus facing the right way!!!

Horus would NOT be happy being upside down during your whole meal! Poor Horus!

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-01-01 01:56:01 and read 32767 times.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 22):
oopss.. meaning "without being to bright" iso to warm. replying to TR's after a big NY eve dinner didn't seem the best thing to do!

No worries, Marc!

Quoting burj (Reply 23):
Very cool trip report!

Thanks for your feedback, burj!

Quoting burj (Reply 23):
That is so cool that you got upgraded...BUT....

It was indeed a great surprise.

Quoting burj (Reply 23):
If MS is going to have nice table tray clothes with Horus embroidered on them....they should be place with Horus facing the right way!!!

Horus would NOT be happy being upside down during your whole meal! Poor Horus!

Yeah, very good observation!   


PH

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: 717Flyer
Posted 2012-01-01 04:14:07 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

This trip report was the first one for me to read in 2012 - and indeed it provided an excellent start to the flying year of 2012! Thanks for a really superb read.

I think I read in the first part of this series that you decided to book the CAI-LUX-CAI sectors in business class as the fare difference was so small. So what was the difference? A business class seat plus more frequent flyer points?
Did you happen to see what the service was like in economy class on those short sectors?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Exactly nine minutes after takeoff, a flight attendant offered another drink. This time I ordered mango juice - and some moments later I got this (non-chilled) carton:

Not very impressive to get it served in a carton - a glass would have been much better.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The Horus on the fuselage looks really pretty, doesn't it?

Absolutely, the Egyptair livery is definitely one of the most beautiful ones out there.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Here's the Horus again:

What a lovely detail!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
Anyway, here's what I got, together with coffee:

That's a lot of sweet - but good you managed to fully enjoy the benefits of your upgrade!

Wishing you a continued nice flying year of 2012!

Regards,
717Flyer

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: 717Flyer
Posted 2012-01-01 04:14:57 and read 32767 times.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 25):
CAI-LUX-CAI

oops, no Luxemburg, I mean LXR, of course.  

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-01-01 04:46:49 and read 32767 times.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 25):
This trip report was the first one for me to read in 2012 - and indeed it provided an excellent start to the flying year of 2012! Thanks for a really superb read.

Hi 717Flyer, many thanks for your nice comments! I'm glad you liked it.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 25):
I think I read in the first part of this series that you decided to book the CAI-LUX-CAI sectors in business class as the fare difference was so small. So what was the difference? A business class seat plus more frequent flyer points?

The difference was less than €20 one-way. Unfortunately, I didn't get any M&M miles.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 25):
Did you happen to see what the service was like in economy class on those short sectors?

LXR-CAI was in Y Class, I got one free drink.

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 25):
Not very impressive to get it served in a carton - a glass would have been much better.

  

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 25):
That's a lot of sweet - but good you managed to fully enjoy the benefits of your upgrade!

I didn't leave out anything.  

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 25):
Wishing you a continued nice flying year of 2012!

I wish you all the best, too!

Quoting 717Flyer (Reply 26):
oops, no Luxemburg, I mean LXR, of course.

  


PH

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: lychemsa
Posted 2012-01-01 06:39:38 and read 32767 times.

I love Egyptian Guava and Mango juice. Thanks for the report.

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-01-01 06:41:52 and read 32767 times.

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 28):
I love Egyptian Guava and Mango juice. Thanks for the report.

...but MS should serve them chilled!

Thanks for your feedback.


PH

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: gabrielchew
Posted 2012-01-01 07:52:13 and read 32767 times.

Hi Planehunter!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Then she directed me towards the domestic gate area, but I told her that I wanted to pass immigration first. She replied that this would also be possible in Luxor, but I preferred to do it in Cairo - just in case of a possible flight delay.

Strange that you can choose to either travel domestically or internationally

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
What caught my attention was the remark that electronic devices including cameras "have direct effect on systems...".

Well, sometimes scaring people is the easiest way to get people to concentrate!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Actually I even smelled food being heated up - but I didn't get anything which was a bit disappointing. Probably the crew members had warmed up their own meals...well, they must have been busy - either with eating or chatting - because they didn't show up any more for the rest of the flight. There was only one exception when a flight attendant brought a wet towel.

I think MS crew find passengers an unnecessary interuption to having a chat with their friends.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Unfortunately, I didn't see anything like that, so I asked an officer (police, military or whatever) who was sitting on a chair and watching the arriving passengers. However, he just started rubbing his fingers without saying anything. "Money? Keep on dreaming!", I thought, left the building and tried to find the right direction myself.

Ha, it's funny how things work in other countries.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
8...9...10...and 11. My new seat 11A was located in the fourth row of Business Class! What a great surprise! bigthumbsup

Congrats on the upgrade! It's great being upgraded but only realising when you reach your seat!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The audio/video on-demand IFE system offers a choice of 19 movies in various languages, 11 games, 17 music CDs and information features. Main menu:

Wow, that is a LOT better than the crummy IFE on the 777s in C

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Cabin picture time - I really like these color tones:

Nice big cabin for a relatively small plane

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-01-01 08:15:34 and read 32767 times.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 30):
Hi Planehunter!

Hi Gabriel, thanks for replying!

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 30):
Ha, it's funny how things work in other countries.

  

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 30):
Congrats on the upgrade!

Thanks!

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 30):
Wow, that is a LOT better than the crummy IFE on the 777s in C

It seems their 772s are really outdated.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 30):
Nice big cabin for a relatively small plane

  


PH

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: FlyingFinn76
Posted 2012-01-01 08:49:42 and read 32767 times.

Hi PH,

Good to see you wrapping up that short trip to Egypt. Egyptair pretty much looks like how I expected it to look - rather haphazard on the short domestic hops, far better on the longer international service. Of course the fact that you were in business (congrats!) also helped.

Lots of nice pictures there and of course your writings are always top notch, maybe your profession helps a bit here?  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
She replied that this would also be possible in Luxor, but I preferred to do it in Cairo - just in case of a possible flight delay.

Err what? How would that then work? I mean it is a domestic flight, so there's no way to separate passengers who are technically abroad from those who have properly entered Egypt? Or did you have to go through immigration at LXR anyway, kinda like what happens in Dublin here you arrive in the international area even from a domestic flight (or a flight from the Common Travel Area i.e. UK)?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
What I found most disappointing were the totally scratched windows which made it impossible to take clear pictures through.

I guess the Sahara sand does not really any good to plastic windows.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Most interesting pages for enthusiasts:

Indeed. That and the route map for me! This one shows that MS seems to have no consistent fleet strategy, quite crazy I think.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
What caught my attention was the remark that electronic devices including cameras "have direct effect on systems...".

Oh dear. More nonsense.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
There were 16 Business Class seats on this A320:

Hey those look quite comfy in your favorite armchair kind of way, although I like the appearance of that 737 business class seat more!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
.well, they must have been busy - either with eating or chatting - because they didn't show up any more for the rest of the flight. There was only one exception when a flight attendant brought a wet towel.

Was there any service in economy? Drinks run perhaps?

Looks like flying business class wasn't really worth it (even the lounge seemed to be nothing to write home or a report about), but I guess if the price difference wasn't too steep then the extra miles were probably worth it.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The Horus on the fuselage looks really pretty, doesn't it?

Indeed it does.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
However, he just started rubbing his fingers without saying anything. "Money? Keep on dreaming!", I

Ahh, the good old Egyptian way - bakeesh for this and bakeesh for that. So annoying.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The leather seats were comfortable and I really like the combination of colors...

Me too!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Unfortunately, he also told me that the aircraft type hadn't changed...

Sorry to hear that, an A330 would've been a perfect ending to your Egyptair experience. Well at least they upgraded you so that's a small condolence.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
"You have seat 11A now", she said.

Hmm, she could've added "in business class" to reduce your anxiety.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
In contrast to most European carriers, EgyptAir chose "real" Business Class seats for these birds...

Now these look very stylish! Love 'em.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Parked next to us was A321-200 SU-GBW:

Oh, I had no idea they had the A321 as well. But I guess this only goes to prove my point about far too diversified fleet above.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
As usual, I skipped the other IFE options and watched the airshow most of the time:

That's what I would've done too!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
We passed Heraklion International Airport one minute later:

Nice shot, as were all the shots of Crete. I landed on that airport on a Finnair DC-10 some twenty years ago, that runway looks a bit short for such a large bird!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The young female flight attendant soon served a nice tray with a variety of appetizers. Most items tasted quite good, some others didn't:

Nice variety there, looks very good.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
After I had finished the first course, the young female flight attendant came back with a trolley and offered a choice between fish, chicken and beef. I decided to try the latter:

That looks good as well. Sorry to hear the taste didn't really match, though.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
"I'd like to try both!", I replied. "Er...yes", she said and seemed to be slightly irritated.

Heh, way to go! I remember how confused an OS (or actually VO) flight attendant was once when I asked for TWO beers, it was like it was the first time somebody did that. She did give them to me, though.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Meanwhile we were cruising over Croatia. This is Zagreb Airport:

Looking far less snowy and hazy than in November when I was there!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Two more pictures of this nice 737:

That's one good looking bird. Although the A330 would've been better, not just in the Star livery, though (sorry).

Quoting infodesk (Reply 12):
It was nice to find Mountain Dew in the fridge, but I was shocked when I discovered lots of dirt on my can's rim.
Not heard of this one before, is it orange based?

Really? I thought that Finland was the last "western" country where Mountain Dew was introduced back in 2002 but it looks like there are still dark spots on the map!

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-01-01 09:24:20 and read 32767 times.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
Good to see you wrapping up that short trip to Egypt.

Hi P., thanks a lot for your feedback, always highly appreciated!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
Lots of nice pictures there and of course your writings are always top notch, maybe your profession helps a bit here?

I think you're right. But I don't write English texts at work.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
Egyptair pretty much looks like how I expected it to look - rather haphazard on the short domestic hops, far better on the longer international service.

Yes, that's what I had expected, too.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
Err what? How would that then work? I mean it is a domestic flight, so there's no way to separate passengers who are technically abroad from those who have properly entered Egypt? Or did you have to go through immigration at LXR anyway, kinda like what happens in Dublin here you arrive in the international area even from a domestic flight (or a flight from the Common Travel Area i.e. UK)?

That's very odd indeed. There wasn't any passport control at LXR after arrival.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
I guess the Sahara sand does not really any good to plastic windows.

No doubt about that.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
This one shows that MS seems to have no consistent fleet strategy, quite crazy I think.

You're right. But MS is not alone - just think about AB, TK or various Chinese airlines. As an enthusiast, I love these diverse fleets!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
More nonsense.

  

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
Hey those look quite comfy in your favorite armchair kind of way, although I like the appearance of that 737 business class seat more!
Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
Now these look very stylish! Love 'em.

Yes, these 737 seats were great.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
Was there any service in economy? Drinks run perhaps?

I don't know, but I guess there was a drink run like on the E-Jet flight.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
Looks like flying business class wasn't really worth it (even the lounge seemed to be nothing to write home or a report about), but I guess if the price difference wasn't too steep then the extra miles were probably worth it.

No miles at all, thanks to M&M.   

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
Ahh, the good old Egyptian way - bakeesh for this and bakeesh for that. So annoying.

It's indeed annoying, but one has to consider that these poor guys don't earn much money.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
Sorry to hear that, an A330 would've been a perfect ending to your Egyptair experience. Well at least they upgraded you so that's a small condolence.

Well, the aircraft change didn't bother me any more after the upgrade.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
Hmm, she could've added "in business class" to reduce your anxiety.

Absolutely!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
Oh, I had no idea they had the A321 as well.

And don't forget that MS is one of five remaining carriers with A340-200s!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
I landed on that airport on a Finnair DC-10 some twenty years ago, that runway looks a bit short for such a large bird!

Sounds great! The main runway is 2680m long - at least now.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
I remember how confused an OS (or actually VO) flight attendant was once when I asked for TWO beers, it was like it was the first time somebody did that. She did give them to me, though.

Nice!   


PH

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: 767747
Posted 2012-01-01 15:07:28 and read 32732 times.

Thanks, PlaneHunter!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
Sounds interesting! Which types did you get on?

We flew from JFK-CAI-JFK on the 747-300, and from CAI-LXR-CAI was operated by A300's!  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 8):
Hi Matthew, many thanks for your comments! I also wish you a Happy New Year!

You as well, sir! Happy New Year!

Best,

Matthew

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: flykev
Posted 2012-01-01 15:23:31 and read 32701 times.

Many thanks for sharing yet another fantastic trip report with us here PlaneHunter.

The domestic flights looked like they certainly left a lot to be desired and the description of the toilet on the return flight was pretty disgusting; however all this seems to have been made up for by the unexpected upgrade to business!

I look forward to reading your next adventure.

Regards,

Kev.

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: signol
Posted 2012-01-01 18:20:47 and read 32579 times.

Hi Planehunter,

thanks for another excellent report, concluding your Egyptian adventure!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
and since Business Class was only slightly more expensive, I secured a seat up front on the A320

Do you mind my asking how much more? I've seen Business fares anything from 30% more to 500% more than the Y fare, though MS often has good business fares on the Europe - South Africa leg at around 1200EUR.

I also noticed on my (only) trip to Egypt the number of people sitting around, and when asked a question, demanding money for an answer - even to such questions as "Where is the toilet?" A shame.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
crossed out "35A" and wrote down "11A" next to it.

So it was only a handwritten alteration, they didn't print you a new boarding pass? It turned out ok, but surely in that case anyone could deface their own boarding pass and hope the FAs don't bother checking once on board...

Thanks again for the interesting read!

signol

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-01-01 21:46:05 and read 32348 times.

Quoting 767747 (Reply 34):
We flew from JFK-CAI-JFK on the 747-300, and from CAI-LXR-CAI was operated by A300's!

Hi again! Wow, that sounds great! I guess these planes still had really classic interiors.

Quoting flykev (Reply 35):
Many thanks for sharing yet another fantastic trip report with us here PlaneHunter.

Hi Kev, thanks a lot for your feedback! Always highly appreciated!

Quoting flykev (Reply 35):
The domestic flights looked like they certainly left a lot to be desired and the description of the toilet on the return flight was pretty disgusting

That toilet experience was really bad...

Quoting flykev (Reply 35):
however all this seems to have been made up for by the unexpected upgrade to business!

Absolutely!

Quoting flykev (Reply 35):
I look forward to reading your next adventure.

I'll soon present a new Asia series...and part I will be about my failed attempt to fly on QF's A380 on the first day of the airline's grounding in fall.

Quoting signol (Reply 36):
thanks for another excellent report, concluding your Egyptian adventure!

Hi signol, many thanks for your comments! I'm glad you enjoyed reading!

Quoting signol (Reply 36):
Do you mind my asking how much more? I've seen Business fares anything from 30% more to 500% more than the Y fare, though MS often has good business fares on the Europe - South Africa leg at around 1200EUR.

About 30 percent more. Yes, I have noticed MS offers low J Class fares to Asia, too.

Quoting signol (Reply 36):
I also noticed on my (only) trip to Egypt the number of people sitting around, and when asked a question, demanding money for an answer - even to such questions as "Where is the toilet?" A shame.

The problem is that many people are unemployed or earn too little.

Quoting signol (Reply 36):
So it was only a handwritten alteration, they didn't print you a new boarding pass? It turned out ok, but surely in that case anyone could deface their own boarding pass and hope the FAs don't bother checking once on board...

That's a good point. I was shortly thinking about a possible cancellation after the mechanic showed up and wondering what would happen to my upgrade in a case of an aircraft change...anyway, everything turned out fine.


PH

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: FlyingFinn76
Posted 2012-01-01 22:05:47 and read 32327 times.

Hi again,

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 33):
I think you're right. But I don't write English texts at work.

Yeah, that's true. But usually you can tell from a person's writing style whether they are accustomed to writing andhow much they do it. If you do it on a daily basis it definitely shows.

Quoting signol (Reply 36):
So it was only a handwritten alteration, they didn't print you a new boarding pass? It turned out ok, but surely in that case anyone could deface their own boarding pass and hope the FAs don't bother checking once on board...

Yeah, of course in that situation the risk for getting busted is quite high as there's no way to know whether your new seat already has somebody assigned to it or not. If a clash like that happens then the crew will definitely check the pax manifest and will find out about your shenanigans. Plus on most carriers when they take a passenger count they usually do it separately for business and economy passengers, again comparing against the numbers in the manifest.e

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-01-01 22:28:53 and read 32290 times.

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 38):
But usually you can tell from a person's writing style whether they are accustomed to writing andhow much they do it. If you do it on a daily basis it definitely shows.

I can only agree!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 38):
Yeah, of course in that situation the risk for getting busted is quite high as there's no way to know whether your new seat already has somebody assigned to it or not. If a clash like that happens then the crew will definitely check the pax manifest and will find out about your shenanigans. Plus on most carriers when they take a passenger count they usually do it separately for business and economy passengers, again comparing against the numbers in the manifest.e

Good point! But there's still a chance for "success". However, who knows what would happen to a cheater in certain countries...


PH

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: nipoel123
Posted 2012-01-02 02:53:45 and read 32055 times.

Hi PH,

I never was a great fan of Egypt, and your report has closed the door to Egyptair for quite a while now. If I ever go there it'll either be on a proper full service carrier or some tour operater like Arkefly.

Nevertheless I enjoyed your report, it was well worth the wait. Now I wonder what's next...

A Happy New Year to you and all the others,

Nick

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-01-02 03:39:15 and read 32001 times.

Quoting nipoel123 (Reply 40):
Nevertheless I enjoyed your report, it was well worth the wait.

Hi Nick, many thanks for your comments!

Quoting nipoel123 (Reply 40):
I never was a great fan of Egypt, and your report has closed the door to Egyptair for quite a while now. If I ever go there it'll either be on a proper full service carrier or some tour operater like Arkefly.

I think you can have bad and good experiences on MS - you just never know.

Quoting nipoel123 (Reply 40):
Now I wonder what's next...

Expect to read something about the grounding of the entire QF fleet and the consequences...

Quoting nipoel123 (Reply 40):
A Happy New Year to you and all the others,

Happy New Year to you, too!


PH

[Edited 2012-01-02 03:39:58]

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: LH4532
Posted 2012-01-02 05:36:22 and read 31915 times.

Hello PlaneHunter ,

I was very happy when I saw that your TR is finally online . I have been waiting for quite a while , and I must say that it has been worth my time waiting for it to come .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
"You are going back on the same day?"

I was asked the same question , when I tried to get my Boarding Pass for CPH-FRA on December 3rd .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
EgyptAir's narrowbodies are equipped with "real" Business Class seats

They look quite good . I would be happy to fly with such seats .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
"Welcome on this Boeing 73...er...Airbus 320...", a flight attendant (purser?) said in her welcome speech

That´s a great welcome speech   . Ha ha ha   .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
However, he just started rubbing his fingers without saying anything

I remember you telling me that .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Last shot of SU-GCY

Nice shot of your airplane .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The young man was very friendly and even spoke German

It is always very nice to see people speaking German .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I had already received the boarding pass for the Cairo-Frankfurt flight on EgyptAir

I once had the same thing happening to me .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
What a great surprise!

I can only agree with you   .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I had to go back to "work".

C'est une bonne idée.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Nice amenity kits were distributed

It´s nice getting an amenity kit for such a short flight .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The young female flight attendant soon served a nice tray with a variety of appetizers

The appetizers look okay , but how they taste is much important .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Anyway, here's what I got, together with coffee:

Good choice to ask for both .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Very pretty cup and saucer

I can only agree with you , PlaneHunter   .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I quickly sent a message to Daniel and told him that it would take me about 20 more minutes to reach our meeting point at Terminal 2.

I did not have too wait that long .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Daniel kindly sent me some of his pictures for this report.

It was the least I could do to contribute to your TR .


It was great meeting you again . I thought we would take some time until the next meeting . Reading your TR has made my day . Hope all is well and keep up the good work .


Daniel ( LH 4532 )

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: sultanils
Posted 2012-01-02 06:27:23 and read 31871 times.

Hello PH,

I very much liked your follow-up report on your trip to Egypt. The service on the domestic flights looked not so good: no snack, warm drinks when they supposed to be chilled, no checks on the seatbelts... I believe MS can do better than this?
And a great treat to being upgraded on the return leg!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
It was nice to find Mountain Dew in the fridge

Is that somekind of ginger ale? It looks very yellow in the glass.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
What caught my attention was the remark that electronic devices including cameras "have direct effect on systems...".

That's bull... in my opinion.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
After landing I would find out that I really had forgotten to fasten my seat belt again after my short cabin picture excursion. Yeah sure

Oops... First time flyer   There were the announcements, no?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
These chairs weren't comfortable at all:

They don't look like the comfortable type no. Metal seaters are rarely comfortable.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
What a great surprise! bigthumbsup

Excellent! And you just kept on wondering what the hell was going on!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
In contrast to most European carriers, EgyptAir chose "real" Business Class seats for these birds...

Very nice seats although the color choice is not obvious to me...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
that's what I call privacy! thumbsup

Great, almost like on 'PirvatAir'  

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
"I'd like to try both!", I replied. "Er...yes", she said and seemed to be slightly irritated.

Now I don't think that's an impossible request? You would not be the very first pax in C who would ask such a thing. Other airlines would likely invite you to try both!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Our plane was equipped with 24 Business Class seats

That's quite some seats and I guess they will take up a considerable amount of space in the cabin. I wonder if they really are a money maker?

Sultanils

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: CaptainRed
Posted 2012-01-02 07:16:07 and read 31822 times.

Hi PH,

thanks for this interesting report about MS and Egyptair Express. Too bad to read about that downgrade, a ride in their A330 would have been something special for sure. But of course that unexpected upgrade to Business was a great compensation for that   The meals, well at least the starters and the desserts, looked very good, I think I would have enjoyed that as well.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The Horus on the fuselage looks really pretty, doesn't it?

Fully agree, looks very good.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
EgyptAir chose "real" Business Class seats for these birds...

Maybe comfortable, but I don't agree with the colors   ...


Greetings and a happy new year
CaptainRed

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-01-02 09:27:28 and read 31626 times.

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 42):

I was very happy when I saw that your TR is finally online . I have been waiting for quite a while , and I must say that it has been worth my time waiting for it to come .
Quoting LH4532 (Reply 42):
Reading your TR has made my day . Hope all is well and keep up the good work .

Servus Daniel! Thanks so much for your nice comments!

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 42):
I was asked the same question , when I tried to get my Boarding Pass for CPH-FRA on December 3rd .

I'm wondering why they ask those questions...

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 42):
That´s a great welcome speech

Absolutely! That's what happens when you operate such a diverse fleet!  

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 42):
It´s nice getting an amenity kit for such a short flight .

Yes, I didn't expect that.

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 42):
I can only agree with you , PlaneHunter

  

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 42):
It was the least I could do to contribute to your TR .

Your pictures were a nice addition! Thanks again!

Quoting LH4532 (Reply 42):
It was great meeting you again . I thought we would take some time until the next meeting .

It was a pleasure to meet you again. Hopefully there will be a 2012 meeting, too!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 43):
I very much liked your follow-up report on your trip to Egypt.

Hi Nils, thanks for your reply! Good to hear you enjoyed it.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 43):
The service on the domestic flights looked not so good: no snack, warm drinks when they supposed to be chilled, no checks on the seatbelts... I believe MS can do better than this?

Yes, they should do better. They have a modern fleet and a nice transfer hub, so they should concentrate on service and a consistent on-board product now.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 43):
And a great treat to being upgraded on the return leg!

No doubt about that!

Quoting sultanils (Reply 43):
Is that somekind of ginger ale? It looks very yellow in the glass.

No, definitely not. It's citrus-flavored and much sweeter.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 43):
That's bull... in my opinion.

I can only agree.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 43):
Oops... First time flyer There were the announcements, no?

Sure.   I must have overheard it.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 43):
Very nice seats although the color choice is not obvious to me...

Well, blue for the sea, brown for the desert - I like the combination.


Quoting sultanils (Reply 43):
Now I don't think that's an impossible request? You would not be the very first pax in C who would ask such a thing. Other airlines would likely invite you to try both!

Sure, it shouldn't be a problem at all.

Quoting sultanils (Reply 43):
That's quite some seats and I guess they will take up a considerable amount of space in the cabin. I wonder if they really are a money maker?

Who knows. Interestingly, they have 24 J Class seats on the A330-200s as well (36 on the A330-300s).

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 44):
thanks for this interesting report about MS and Egyptair Express.

Hi CaptainRed, thanks for your comments! I'm glad you liked it.

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 44):
Too bad to read about that downgrade, a ride in their A330 would have been something special for sure. But of course that unexpected upgrade to Business was a great compensation for that

No doubt about that!

Quoting CaptainRed (Reply 44):
Maybe comfortable, but I don't agree with the colors

Tastes are different!


PH

[Edited 2012-01-02 09:30:36]

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: volvair
Posted 2012-01-03 10:49:59 and read 31123 times.

Hi PH,

I'm finally managing to catch up on some TRs here. Great story and interesting insight int EgyptAir. A pity though you did not get on the 330, a wide-body flight would have been the finishing touch to your journey, but you produced a great story nonetheless (as If we would expect otherwise)!

I am very surprised that you did not get something to snack or nibble on on the Cairo-Luxor leg. It's business class after all. At least they offer genuine business class seats, otherwise the higher fare would hardly be justified (well, except for extra miles, extra luggage and that bottle of water).

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
It was nice to find Mountain Dew in the fridge, but I was shocked when I discovered lots of dirt on my can's rim. Other cans didn't look different - and the glasses in the cupboard hadn't been polished after dishwashing. That's not what you'd expect to find in a Star Alliance member's Business Class lounge!

You probably needed that can of (almost) pure sugar and caffeine on such a long day of flying. But what a bad story to hear about the cleanliness of the cans there. Somehow I get the impression crews were a little indifferent on your flights:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
a flight attendant had placed a trolley on the floor between rows 8 and 9 on the opposite side - and when the plane was about to leave the gate, I noticed that it was still there. And yes, it would remain there during takeoff - at least it would be removed before landing
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Nobody picked up the empty juice carton and the wet towel...
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
...and nobody showed up for a seat belt check.
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
"Er...yes", she said and seemed to be slightly irritated.


.
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
there was just an agent shouting something in Arabic while heading to the gate exit in order to open the door.

Ha, I have gotten quite used to those kinds of boarding calls over the last few months!

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: The777Man
Posted 2012-01-03 23:22:03 and read 30718 times.

Hi PlaneHunter!

Thanks for a fantastic report with amazing pictures!

Your experience on EgyptAir was similar to mine; service is not so great and hardware sometimes leaves a lot to be desired. (I flew the 772 about ten yars ago)

The terminal in CAI looks really nice; I just hope they keep it in good condition.

Too bad with no view from the lounge and even worse not that great view from the terminal area......

Hotel room looks okay; the outside looks quite run down......

Very nice that you got upgraded on the return; I suspect they needed your seat to seat a family with minor children together. Worked out great for you and yes, I love those colors of the Busines Class cabin on the retrun. I do prefer the older livery reather than the new one though.

Nice with PTV on the return and some decent choices of IFE.

Too bad about you missed the 332 on the way back but the upgrade more than made up for it, I think.

Very much looking forward to your next report whenever you have time to write it.......

The777Man

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: TravelsUK
Posted 2012-01-04 07:54:51 and read 30423 times.

Thanks again for a great TR, brought back some good memories for me!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Saudi Arabian A320-200 HZ-ASD:

I saw this aircraft when I was in transit through Doha a couple of days ago and had to look twice as I thought at first it was an A319 - it only appears to have one set of overwing exits in use, is this unique to Saudi Arabian as I've never seen an A320 like it before?

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-01-06 12:27:22 and read 29760 times.

Nice african installment PH,

Egyptair would hate to spoil its record apparently, despite a nice gesture on the last flight, it did not make up for the previous negative experiences.
That all said, they have some of the most lower fares downthere which helps to still keep thinking about them.

Looking forward to read your next TR

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-01-08 04:00:09 and read 29303 times.

Quoting volvair (Reply 46):
I'm finally managing to catch up on some TRs here. Great story and interesting insight int EgyptAir. A pity though you did not get on the 330, a wide-body flight would have been the finishing touch to your journey, but you produced a great story nonetheless (as If we would expect otherwise)!

Servus volvair, thanks a lot for your feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Quoting volvair (Reply 46):
I am very surprised that you did not get something to snack or nibble on on the Cairo-Luxor leg. It's business class after all.

Some nuts would have been fine.

Quoting volvair (Reply 46):
At least they offer genuine business class seats, otherwise the higher fare would hardly be justified (well, except for extra miles, extra luggage and that bottle of water).

I didn't get any M&M miles at all!

Quoting volvair (Reply 46):
Somehow I get the impression crews were a little indifferent on your flights:

  

Quoting The777Man (Reply 47):
Thanks for a fantastic report with amazing pictures!

Hi Lars, thanks for your reply!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 47):
Your experience on EgyptAir was similar to mine; service is not so great and hardware sometimes leaves a lot to be desired. (I flew the 772 about ten yars ago)

Wow, ten years already? I guess the interiors haven't been changed on the 777s since your flight.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 47):
The terminal in CAI looks really nice; I just hope they keep it in good condition.

  

Quoting The777Man (Reply 47):
Very nice that you got upgraded on the return; I suspect they needed your seat to seat a family with minor children together.

Yes, that could be the reason.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 47):
Nice with PTV on the return and some decent choices of IFE.

Absolutely, I wouldn't have had a PTV on the A330.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 47):
Too bad about you missed the 332 on the way back but the upgrade more than made up for it, I think.

No doubt about that.

Quoting TravelsUK (Reply 48):
Thanks again for a great TR, brought back some good memories for me!

Hi Nick, many thanks for replying!

Quoting TravelsUK (Reply 48):
I saw this aircraft when I was in transit through Doha a couple of days ago and had to look twice as I thought at first it was an A319 - it only appears to have one set of overwing exits in use, is this unique to Saudi Arabian as I've never seen an A320 like it before?

I guess they have deactivated the other exists due to the low number of seats on their A320s (120 and 132). There have been a few other airlines doing the same, e.g. ANA.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 49):
Nice african installment PH,

Hi eastafspot, thanks a lot for your comments!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 49):
That all said, they have some of the most lower fares downthere which helps to still keep thinking about them.

I also noticed low J Class fares between Europe and Asia.



PH

[Edited 2012-01-08 04:02:30]

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: Cyanide72
Posted 2012-01-08 10:52:04 and read 29092 times.

Long time A.net Forum lurker and I finally decided to join up.

I've always been a fan of your trip reports and I've read (and enjoyed!) almost all of them. This one is no different, eagerly waiting for more!

Regards.

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: Parton87
Posted 2012-01-08 13:25:21 and read 28986 times.

Hello PH!

Thanks for the great continuation of your trip to Egypt! Egyptair seem to be a quit good carrier exept the non-existence meal service on the domestic flights. I find it strange that they didn´t serve more then drinks. I´ve never flew in business but I think it should be quit a difference from economy which I guess they did a "water or juice" run?

Nice that Egyptair have real business-class seats on their narrow bodies! We in Europe are not use to that for sure 
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Mountain Dew in the fridge, but I was shocked when I discovered lots of dirt on my can's rim. Other cans didn't look different -

Never heard of this drink!? Is it like Fanta?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Unfortunately, the juice was not chilled:

Strange. But maybe the Egyptians are so used to the heat they don´t need to chill their drinks:P

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Most interesting pages for enthusiasts

I agree!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
delivered in September 2007 and still wearing the old tail colors:

The new livery is very beautiful but I liked the former ones too 
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
it again because it's the closest to the airport

Sorry if I missed it, but how much did you pay for it?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
asked. "No, boarding issues",

Strange that she didn´t told you that you were upgraded!?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The kit contained more than you need on such a flight

Impressive!

Quoting FlyingFinn76 (Reply 32):
Really? I thought that Finland was the last "western" country where Mountain Dew was introduced back in 2002 but it looks like there are still dark spots on the map!

I´ve never seen it Sweden - So I don´t think we have it?

Thanks again for the great report! I really enjoyed it!

Greetings
Robert

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: The777Man
Posted 2012-01-08 21:25:12 and read 28826 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 50):
Wow, ten years already? I guess the interiors haven't been changed on the 777s since your flight.

Time flies....; yes it doesn't seem like it was that long ago.

I'm not sure but I wouldn't be surprised if they haven't changed a thing on the 777-200/ERs.

The777Man

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-01-09 05:33:22 and read 28652 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Our plane was equipped with 24 Business Class seats - but there was only a handful of passengers in that section.

Why on earth does MS have a 738 w/ 24 business class seats??

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: LXM83
Posted 2012-01-10 08:27:59 and read 28331 times.

Hello PlaneHunter

Finally got around to reading your report, thanks for writing it up. Too bad the A330 didn't work out, but C-class was a nice compensation.

There seems to be a clear quality difference between domestic and international flights in terms of cleanliness or appearance. Would be interesting to know if they operate separate fleets for domestic and international.

Best regards,
LXM83

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: LH4116
Posted 2012-01-12 11:23:19 and read 27888 times.

Hello PH, great report! Sorry for the late reply.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The one-room lounge is quite small, but there was only a handful of other passengers around. Unfortunately, you cannot see any planes from that room:

Seems much like the LH Business Lounge in MXP then. Suppose those tiny one-room lounges aren't ideal for spending a day in  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Then I grabbed a bottle of water and left the lounge so that I could continue spotting from the gate area.

I hope at least that water bottle was clean  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Lufthansa A340-300 D-AIFD getting prepared for its return flight to Frankfurt:

That pic really shows the size difference quite well between the B738 and A343. Even though I find the A340 to be quite small.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
EgyptAir's narrowbodies are equipped with "real" Business Class seats - here's my seat 10A which turned out to be quite comfortable:

They look very nice and comfy! Wish more EU airlines could offer this.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
"have direct effect on systems...".

Err, yes... Airliners are built to withstand a lightning strike, and those wires are well shielded from radiation. A tiny little DC powered pocket camera is perhaps the least thing to be worried about.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I was positively surprised to find a Novotel representative with my name on a sign already waiting here in the gate area - that was a very good service

Wow, that's a very good service. Much better then my nightmare at MXP it seems.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
My new seat 11A was located in the fourth row of Business Class! What a great surprise!

Now that's a great surprise!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
By the way - the aisle seat next to me as well as both seats in the opposite row had remained empty - that's what I call privacy!   

Interesting. One would assume the aircraft change resulted in an overbooking situation, but clearly that wasn't the case. Perhaps they changed it to a B738 due to the low passenger numbers?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Well, did she seriously assume I'd be satisfied with one small dessert?

They should offer both deserts without hesitation. Must compliment the LX crew for that! 
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Last but not least - the domestic lounge at Cairo is not a good advert for this Star Alliance member either.

Then again, aren't domestic lounges excluded from the Star Alliance network. At least the SAS domestic lounge in ARN is not a *G Lounge.

Thanks for sharing

//Jonas

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2012-01-14 18:48:00 and read 27461 times.

Thanks for the report. Was interesting to compare your MS JCL experience with mine:

Egypt Air MS 778: MAR/11: LHR-CAI: J Cabin (by abrelosojos Jan 14 2012 in Trip Reports)

I NEVER get Op-Ups, so this must have been really exciting.

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: hooNS90
Posted 2012-01-14 21:16:51 and read 27413 times.

As always, excellent trip report and pictures!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
It was nice to find Mountain Dew in the fridge, but I was shocked when I discovered lots of dirt on my can's rim.
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The cabin was worn in general, but the rear lavatory's condition was even worse. The tapware in particular was totally battered - and I was shocked when I opened the toilet lid. I don't know if another passenger had intensively used the toilet since departure or if it hadn't been cleaned before the flight. It looked and smelled disgusting... Embarrassment
Last but not least, there were only a few pieces of soap instead of a liquid soap container. thumbsdown

Wow, I would have been totally repulsed. If I had seen something like this in Japan, I would have fainted in disbelief!
I have a very weak stomach, and I'm sure that if I saw that, it would have probably spoiled the entire flight for me.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
EgyptAir's narrowbodies are equipped with "real" Business Class seats - here's my seat 10A which turned out to be quite comfortable:

Looks very plush! I wonder if those A320s are also used for longer trips.

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: airbuseric
Posted 2012-01-19 08:43:42 and read 26827 times.

Hi PH,

good to see your final episode of the EgyptAir report here. Definitely an interesting read with good pictures along the way!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
So I wrote a short e-mail to EgyptAir with desired seat numbers. Surprisingly, I quickly received a nice reply with a confirmation of my seat requests.

Unexpected good service? Definitely a good customer minded reply!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Shortly after I had boarded, a flight attendant had placed a trolley on the floor between rows 8 and 9 on the opposite side - and when the plane was about to leave the gate, I noticed that it was still there. And yes, it would remain there during takeoff - at least it would be removed before landing:

Hmm,... definitely not the way to do it! Why would passengers stow the luggage when crew don't have to do it themselves?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
What caught my attention was the remark that electronic devices including cameras "have direct effect on systems...".

Yeah, sure  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The mango juice was too sweet for my taste and I was hoping to get a decent small snack. According to an announcement by the captain, descent would already commence in 15 minutes - but that was still enough time for a small snack in my opinion. Actually I even smelled food being heated up - but I didn't get anything which was a bit disappointing. Probably the crew members had warmed up their own meals...well, they must have been busy - either with eating or chatting - because they didn't show up any more for the rest of the flight. There was only one exception when a flight attendant brought a wet towel.

Very dissappointing, a small snack/sandwich/sweet would've been the least they could've offered. The small carton with juice is very cheap  
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
As soon as the officers went outside to smoke, I took a picture of that area:

Good idea. I'm sure the officers wouldn't have been amused when you tried to make a picture with them in the area. Sounds similar to my experience at NDR before departure.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
My new seat 11A was located in the fourth row of Business Class! What a great surprise!

Very nice! Well, how come that they took you for the upgrade?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
JAL's JA731J in "Sky Eco" colors and with "COP10" markings (10th session of the UNCCD Conference of Parties) is the second-built 777-300ER:

I miss them, a lot, to be honest and worked on this ship a lot of times. Also, prior delivery to JAL, I was on it when it was still a test-aircraft for Boeing.

Great report PH, but MS is failing on many parts in my opinion and definitely not an airline I would take for a longhaul haul flight. Why don't they act better? If they stand out in service they can be good competition towards e.g. TK, EK, QR etc. Now, they are probably the worst one to fly to e.g. Asia.

Regards
Eric

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-01-30 04:30:25 and read 26087 times.

Quoting Cyanide72 (Reply 51):
Long time A.net Forum lurker and I finally decided to join up.

Hi Cyanide72, you made a good decision!

Quoting Cyanide72 (Reply 51):
I've always been a fan of your trip reports and I've read (and enjoyed!) almost all of them. This one is no different, eagerly waiting for more!

Thanks a lot, I'm glad you enjoy my reports.

Quoting Parton87 (Reply 52):
Thanks for the great continuation of your trip to Egypt!
Quoting Parton87 (Reply 52):
Thanks again for the great report!

Hi Robert, thanks for your feedback.

Quoting Parton87 (Reply 52):
I´ve never flew in business but I think it should be quit a difference from economy which I guess they did a "water or juice" run?

I'm sure they did.

Quoting Parton87 (Reply 52):
Nice that Egyptair have real business-class seats on their narrow bodies!

  

Quoting Parton87 (Reply 52):
Never heard of this drink!? Is it like Fanta?

No, it's citrus-flavored.

Quoting Parton87 (Reply 52):
Strange that she didn´t told you that you were upgraded!?

Yes, very strange.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 53):
I'm not sure but I wouldn't be surprised if they haven't changed a thing on the 777-200/ERs.

That's what I guess, too.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 54):
Why on earth does MS have a 738 w/ 24 business class seats??

Good question - they must have had a reason.

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 55):
Finally got around to reading your report, thanks for writing it up. Too bad the A330 didn't work out, but C-class was a nice compensation.

Thanks for your reply, LXM83! The upgrade was indeed a good compensation.

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 55):
There seems to be a clear quality difference between domestic and international flights in terms of cleanliness or appearance.

That's right!

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 55):
Would be interesting to know if they operate separate fleets for domestic and international.

No, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 56):
Hello PH, great report! Sorry for the late reply.

Hi Jonas, many thanks for your comments! Sorry for my late reply to your reply!  
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 56):
Suppose those tiny one-room lounges aren't ideal for spending a day in

They're not even ideal for an hour.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 56):
I hope at least that water bottle was clean

  

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 56):
Even though I find the A340 to be quite small.

Are you serious? How do you rate Saabs or ATRs then?

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 56):
They look very nice and comfy! Wish more EU airlines could offer this.

I can only agree.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 56):
A tiny little DC powered pocket camera is perhaps the least thing to be worried about.

  

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 56):
Perhaps they changed it to a B738 due to the low passenger numbers?

Yes, most likely.

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 56):
They should offer both deserts without hesitation.

  

Quoting LH4116 (Reply 56):
Then again, aren't domestic lounges excluded from the Star Alliance network. At least the SAS domestic lounge in ARN is not a *G Lounge.

I have no idea, I'm not a lounge expert.  

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 57):
Thanks for the report.

Hi Alex, thanks for your reply!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 57):
Was interesting to compare your MS JCL experience with mine:

Good to hear! I read your MS report with special interest. You clearly had the better aircraft.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 57):
I NEVER get Op-Ups, so this must have been really exciting.

Never? Really? I can't believe that.

Quoting hooNS90 (Reply 58):
As always, excellent trip report and pictures!

Hi Hoons90, thank you for your feedback!

Quoting hooNS90 (Reply 58):
If I had seen something like this in Japan, I would have fainted in disbelief!

I guess you'd never see that in Japan.

Quoting hooNS90 (Reply 58):
I wonder if those A320s are also used for longer trips.

Yes, the A320s and A321s are also used on longer trips.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 59):
good to see your final episode of the EgyptAir report here. Definitely an interesting read with good pictures along the way!

Hi Eric, many thanks for your comments! Good to hear you enjoyed it.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 59):
Unexpected good service? Definitely a good customer minded reply!

Absolutely.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 59):
Why would passengers stow the luggage when crew don't have to do it themselves?

  

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 59):
Very dissappointing, a small snack/sandwich/sweet would've been the least they could've offered. The small carton with juice is very cheap

I can only agree.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 59):
Good idea. I'm sure the officers wouldn't have been amused when you tried to make a picture with them in the area.

No doubt about that.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 59):
Very nice! Well, how come that they took you for the upgrade?

I'd love to know the answer.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 59):
Also, prior delivery to JAL, I was on it when it was still a test-aircraft for Boeing.

Sounds very interesting!

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 59):
Great report PH, but MS is failing on many parts in my opinion and definitely not an airline I would take for a longhaul haul flight.

I wouldn't choose the carrier for a long-haul trip either.

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 59):
Why don't they act better? If they stand out in service they can be good competition towards e.g. TK, EK, QR etc.

Yes, the potential is there.


PH

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: initious
Posted 2012-04-07 08:29:19 and read 23997 times.

Hi PH,

Yet another wonderful TR from you!

Business Class on the A320 looked pretty normal to me, guess you can't expect much from a domestic hop. Interesting that the purser could mix up a 737 with an A320. :P

It was saddening that you did not get the A330, but great that you got an upgrade to Business! The Business Class seats on the B738 looks far more wonderful and pleasing compared to those on the A320. Pretty nice that they have a PTV too.

The meal looks pretty nice and me being a beef lover this is making me salivate!

Just a quick question - Were there PTVs in Y? I'd assume not.

Regards,
Daniel

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-04-08 19:53:51 and read 23607 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 60):
Good question - they must have had a reason.

My cynical guess is that they need(ed) all those premium seats for government officials

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-04-15 00:43:00 and read 22854 times.

Quoting initious (Reply 61):
Yet another wonderful TR from you!

Hi Daniel, many thanks for your comments! I'm glad you enjoyed reading.

Quoting initious (Reply 61):
Business Class on the A320 looked pretty normal to me, guess you can't expect much from a domestic hop.

  

Quoting initious (Reply 61):
It was saddening that you did not get the A330, but great that you got an upgrade to Business!

That was an appropriate compensation!

Quoting initious (Reply 61):
The Business Class seats on the B738 looks far more wonderful and pleasing compared to those on the A320.

Absolutely.

Quoting initious (Reply 61):
Just a quick question - Were there PTVs in Y? I'd assume not.

I didn't go back, so I don't know for sure. I guess they don't have any in Y Class.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 62):
My cynical guess is that they need(ed) all those premium seats for government officials

Interesting thought.


PH

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: canadiantree
Posted 2013-12-15 04:41:17 and read 9868 times.

I guess these E jets have no real business class seats :/ Considering them on a BUD-CAI leg but 3 hours is a long time in J on a Y seat.

Topic: RE: Type Downgrade, Class Upgrade: EgyptAir Business
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2013-12-17 23:00:41 and read 7564 times.

Quoting canadiantree (Reply 64):
I guess these E jets have no real business class seats :/ Considering them on a BUD-CAI leg but 3 hours is a long time in J on a Y seat.

No real Business Class seats on these birds, that's correct.


PH


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