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Topic: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2012-09-30 15:34:31 and read 18650 times.

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I > Background:
Remote countries have always fascinated me. The allure to understand how people live there, and the landscape that frames this has always been the driver to go to countries where most don’t venture to. Most of these times, I have been rewarded by incredible vistas and reminded of the generosity of the human spirit. One such country I wanted to explore was Eritrea. Formed in 1993 as a breakaway from Ethiopia, the former darling of the international community had retrenched under a single-dictatorship and had recently earned the moniker of being the “North Korea of Africa.” Censorship is so high in Eritrea that DPRK is apparently dubbed as “free” by comparison …

All this fascinated me, and as my calendar opened up in 2012, I was packing my bags to head to the country by the Red Sea. In this trip report, I capture the first trip report on Eritrea, and the first flight on Lufthansa’s vital link via Jeddah. Alongside, I will provide some glimpses of the country and try to convince you that Asmara is probably the nicest city in Africa – far better than Cape Town ☺.

II > Pre-Flight:

a) Before Airport:
Deutsche Lufthansa AG is the flag carrier of Germany and the largest airline in Europe in terms of overall passengers carried and fleet size. Employing around 120,000 employees, the world's fourth-largest airline in terms of overall passengers carried, operates to 18 domestic destinations and 203 international destinations in 78 countries across Africa, Americas, Asia and Europe. Operating out of its hubs at FRA and MUC, Lufthansa is a founding member of Star Alliance, and basically you should not belong to the aviation community if you have not heard of them. Recently, it has been mired in poor profitability and labor unrest as it tries to adapt to the realities of a newer world – of increasing LCC competition, mega-Asian carriers, and an European market in turmoil.

Booking for my flight was done on Lufthansa’s excellent website at www.lufthansa.com. Probably, one of the best websites by a major airline, online services are a breeze to do there. Within minutes, I had a nice looking e-ticket printed and delivered to my inbox after having spent some time studying the online seat map. One of the things I love about LH’s site is the ability to continuously pull up tickets and make several seat selections. It did not have a change booking facility, but that is hard to do given LH’s notoriously complicated ticketing fare basis’.



b) At Airport:
After an amazing week of adventure in Eritrea, it was sadly time to leave. Several people had warned us of the notoriously ineffective airport, so we allowed an abnormal (for me) 3 hours cushion prior to the flight.

Asmara airport is forever stuck in time, and the first thing you notice is the synonymous feeling of a sleepy African airport where lights are dim as the country struggles with an energy shortage. Even prior to entering the airport, your bags are screened and your “exit visa” checked to see if you have the freedom to leave. No wonder my tour guide (under some alcohol) said that they were living in a prison. Apparently, getting a foreign visa was far easier than getting the Eritrean exit stamp.

After passing through this interrogation, you walk through a shed to the small terminal where LH’s flight was the major thing that evening. Check-in is busy, but the woman is quickly able to process me through the dedicated Business Class desk. There is even a First Class desk where an expat (most probably World Bank) Honors Circle member is welcomed like an old friend. Meanwhile, the woman is a little confused with my passports. I had entered Eritrea on my Venezuelan one, but of course need the Liechtenstein one to enter Europe. She struggles to put this information in and has to get supervisory help. However, she is pleasant throughout the whole thing, and unlike in West Africa where overzealous French guards are deployed on Air France flights protecting fortress Europe, the Germans are much more dignified and can conduct the process with grace. Minutes later, I have a boarding pass and my preferred seat 3A which happens to be in the quieter mini cabin on the 340. When asked about a lounge, she smiles and shakes her head. C’est la vie.

I don’t know why people scare you with these horror stories about Africa – none hold true in Eritrea. Quick immigration (except an Italian woman who has “again” outstayed her welcome), security, and customs (mostly to Eritrean nationals and expats) later, I am air-side with over 2 hours to spare, one small café, and a duty free store that is ubiquitous with countries that have never quite emerged from the 1980’s. All one can do is observe the various passengers and try to construct why they are in Eritrea.

With 45 minutes to go, boarding is announced which basically implies that you move from one section of the terminal to another nearer to the boarding gate. The entire process seems silly to me, but I guess provides an employment generating activity in the country to the LH agent who tears off your boarding pass. However, as we close in to the departure time, the LH agent seems to have disappeared and been replaced by a growing sense of restlessness amongst the passenger group. Interestingly, this frustration is mostly amongst us white people including an Italian man who is super nervous about missing his Bologna connection. I don’t blame him as MCT’s in FRA are almost never realistic especially when doing Schengen/non-Schengen transfers and with so many LH flights arriving at a bus gate. Why LH and some other Star Carriers do it remain a mystery to me, with worst offenders being LH/AC 45 minute transfers on Schengen/non-Schengen. Anyways, after the boarding time passes, the same LH agent comes and tells us that boarding will be delayed (seriously?) and departure will now happen 50 minutes later. During the entire time, no apology or explanation is given, and I am disappointed that the German LH manager makes no attempt to come and greet his premium passengers (like the Italian) who would be missing their onward connection and are in a state of panic.

When boarding is announced, the typical Star priority scheme is replaced by a general mad dash to the plane via disembarking through a dingy staircase and walking to the tarmac. I must say though – the LH 340 in the evening light of Asmara airport looked absolutely stunning. Too bad my camera did not work, and I did not want to linger on the tarmac for a super long time. Another novelty was boarding the aircraft through 3L on to the aircraft where a crew that was in chaos trying to finish everything for departure greeted me.

After a little while, champagne/OJ/water was offered, and I settled in with some water. F load was 0% (as with all LH African flights I have been on), J load was 60%, and Y load was 90%.

Airport - External:

(Asmara Airport)
Check-in:

(LH Check-In)


Airport - Internal:

(Pre-Security @ ASM)


(FIDS)
+ There were none +

(Post-Security @ ASM)

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Scenes of the tarmac:

+ No aircraft on tarmac +



Lounge

+ NO LOUNGE @ ASM +



Boarding:


(Gate Area)

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(Chaotic Boarding)


III> In-Flight:

a) Service Schedule + Impressions:
On the seat, typical LH amenity kit awaits you with the covering for the headphones which are connected to the seat.

On ASM-JED:

+ Water/OJ/Champagne (pre-departure)
+ Skimpy hot towels
+ Light snack service

On JED-FRA:

+ Newspapers distributed prior to take-off
+ Skimpy hot towels
+ Another light meal service
+ Breakfast prior to arrival / Or, packaged.

One thing Lufthansa MUST be complimented for is the amount of “localization” it provides to flights befitting of a global carrier. On this flight, I was rather impressed with the safety information and all announcements made in both Arabic and Tigrinya (!) – the official language of Eritrea. Really, hats off, as LH can clearly demonstrate that one can be proud of their German heritage and yet be able to adapt to a global clientele. Hear that Air France …

b) Aircraft + Seats:
The Airbus 340 remains one of the most graceful aircraft ever built, and looked stunning on THE Asmara tarmac. Too bad about the dubious economics. Inside this Lufthansa bird, was the typical J class layout that I am ever so familiar with (I have CCS-FRA as the #1 segment I have ever flown and most of it is in these confinement). LH’s J-class leaves a lot to be desired. The lie flat is always thoroughly uncomfortable … but still better than say the 2/3/2 madness that you see on AF’s 77W’s. Deconstructing the seat, you realize it is fine in the upright position. However, the moment you begin to recline, it becomes extremely tight. On several occasions, my leg would just get stuck ... and I am NOT tall by any means. Finally, as mentioned, the seat is uncomfortable in the sleep position. I mean, I do like some lie-flat seats ... like SQ old Raffles, but LH continues to be definitely pre-historic. I simply cannot believe they went for this same utter crap when the 380 was launched, and remain convinced that the only person who had a good night sleep here is the woman featured in the LH ads (trying to find it BTW). Overall, this particular aircraft seemed tired. The bathrooms had not been thoroughly cleaned and I found litter even though I used it immediately after boarding. Amenities were missing and only stocked after I alerted the purser. Overall, I think it is time to refurbish these aircraft, or retire them.

Aircraft:
(Stunnng 343 – stock)


Views from Aircraft:

(Goodbye awesome Eritrea: Asmara Airport)


(Approaching Jeddah)


(@ JED)

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General Seat Views + Seat Legroom



(Legroom)


(Around Seat)


Seat Recline + Angle View:

(Recline)


(Angle view)


Cabin:

(Always chose this when booking)


(Empty F Class)


(Bathroom)


(Kinda nasty @ boarding)



(Where are the usual amenities?)


(Around Aircraft)

(Yet, never have seen an aircraft with it …)


c) Meal + Beverage:
As many long term readers know, I find Lufthansa’s JCL meal service to be positively horrible. Even if the quality of the food is SA Czech Airlines">OK, the quantity makes me feel I was living in some ration controlled East German town. On their CCS-FRA flight, I actually ask for Y-meals these days. It is actually quite bizarre as FCL meals on LH are generous and very good, and even comparative Y-meals are decent. Somehow, it is the JCL meals that seem to fail against global benchmarks.

This flight was no different. However, I feel it is hard to judge as the odd flight time plus the stop in Jeddah makes it difficult to judge whether the service was appropriate or not.

On the leg from Asmara to Jeddah, there was no choice (poor), and you were given some very basic Arabic mezze with a cheesecake. It was strange not to have any “western” option. To be fair, the mezze plate was actually rather good – while the dessert was more Y-class than J. This was washed down with some Diet Coke as the wine and champagne offerings were rather weak – except the Riesling which was good as always on LH.

On the leg from Jeddah to Asmara, again there were no choices. We were offered some excellent fresh fruit and some equally nice canapés. This is one meal that I thought was rather good and portioned well for the time of the flight. Lack of choices though was very poor in JCL for any flight that is over 6 hours.

Finally, prior to landing, one could have a breakfast … or could (like me) do the “breakfast on the go” option. Personally, I find these to be a great thing on LH and got the same with a nice sandwich and some yoghurt to boot.

Overall, an average performance, though the flight hour and nature made it hard for me to be as critical as I normally am with LH JCL meal delivery.

(Menu)

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(ASM/JED)


(JED/FRA)


(Water before you sleep)


(Breakfast-To-Go)


d) Inflight Entertainment:
Lufthansa’s IFE is clearly a generation behind. While their “new” AVOD is better than the past, the limited amount of movies and TV shows get tiresome as do the old controllers. Moreover, it really is time to change those nasty headsets and tiny screens. Thankfully, the 748 is a huge improvement, and I look forward to it being rolled out across the fleet. The LH inflight magazines continues to be one of the best out there with a section on their fleet which even our A.Net resident expert “PH” will approve. Though, I am convinced sometimes PH wrote it …

(LH AVOD – with local lingo)

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(Those seriously LH-needs-to-change-this-headset)


(Our route & Red Sea Crossing)


(“In-flight magazines”, Boarding Passes, etc.: Just look at all the stuff I got from them)


e) Crew:
The crew on-board was typical Lufthansa. Pleasant (but not overly friendly), task oriented, and (for the lack of any better word) very German. In very typical LH fashion, they were not too helpful during the boarding process and there was not into much smiling. Like many of their counterparts, they did not have the Asian flair for service, nor the dry humor that makes me really adore crew on SOME BA, VS, SA, etc. flights. Yet, at the same time, they efficiently went about their job and got everything done. I appreciated them asking me about my interest in “breakfast-to-go”; I liked the fact that the did water runs; I liked the fact that they responded to call button requests with ease; I liked the fact that they were not rude to their passengers. So in the end, very typical LH. On a side note, I think the best LH crews are when you have a diverse group including some Asians (Japanese and Indians are the best) and the awesome ex-SN Belgians that have infiltrated the ranks!

IV> Post-Flight:

Unsurprisingly, the aircraft landed at a remote dock in FRA. The pecking order of flights on Lufthansa is clearly evident from where they send their aircraft – almost ALL flights from Africa I have been on land remote; half of my CCS flights land remote; nearly all my flights to Asia (NRT/HKG/DEL/BLR) and North America (BOS/JFK) land at a gate …

Even though the pilot made up most of the time in the air, a bunch of people missed connections, and disembarkation in general was very haphazard. For God’s sake LH, send a bus solely for your premium customers! It amazes me that Fraport runs such a good operation elsewhere and in its home base, it is a model of inefficiency at times! Thankfully, I had no connection, and was landside in 45 minutes … not too bad for FRA.

(My new favorite gin makes it!)


V> Impressions + Scores:
This was a classic Lufty experience for me. Nothing overly stood out in terms of product – both hard and soft. The check-in experience was good, and LH cannot be faulted for not having a lounge at ASM. Perhaps, they could do what’s done at other African airports and offer a meal voucher at the one café? Boarding was chaotic and disappointing. On the flight, both the hard product and the soft product were acceptable without being anything that will stand out. And as always, LH got me to my destination without too much drama or negative feelings about poor crew.

However, as I have said in the past many times on A.Net, and in private to LH management, this is simply not enough. The risk LH has is that it continues to lose its middle premium segment (JCL travelers) to better equipped Asian and Gulf carriers. Heck, even the product on U.S. legacies such as US Airways, Delta, and United is a whole lot better. The super premium demand will always be there – Germany is a rich O&D market and M&M (as crappy as it has become) still has a loyal following. However, these super premium traffic is small (as shown on this flight) and the middle premium segment is the one who ultimately gets to be high premium.

Lufthansa has done a lot of things right – it has globalized its product offering and made more attempts than ANY European carrier to become more international. This is particularly evident in a market like India where it has taken over as the preferred European carrier – instead of British Airways. For this, it must be congratulated. However, that is no longer enough.

The flight itself gets no thumps up or down. Of course, I will continue to fly LH. However, this will continue to be because of its network depth and schedule reliability, and not because of its service. If an alternate airline exists on a route, I will seriously consider it, and even pay a premium for the better service.



VI> Other Trip Reports:

PREMIUM:
9.27: JET AIRWAYS **FIRST** (110): LHR-BOM: 10/2010
9.27: THAI AIRWAYS **FIRST** (108): BKK-LHR: 07/2010
9.00: All Nippon: ANA (133): NRT-FUK-BOM: 12/2011

8.66: Brussels Airlines (93): FIH-BRU: 01/2010
8.64: Turkish Airlines (59): JFK-IST: 11/2008
8.63: Jet Airways (88): JFK-BRU: 10/2009
8.61: Air Canada (49): YYZ-SCL: 06/2008
8.54: Turkish Airlines (77): GRU-DKR-IST: 04/2009
8.36: Kingfisher (98): BOM-HKG: 01/2010
8.30: Jet Airways (74): KWI-BOM: 04/2009
8.23: United Airlines (72): SFO-SYD: 03/2009
8.11: Aeroflot (33): MOW-DEL: 09/2007
8.05: Air India (80): CCU-JFK: 06/2009
8.04: Korean Air (40): NRT-ICN: 10/2007
8.02: Delta Airlines (24): JFK-CDG: 08/2007
7.82: UNITED AIRLINES **FIRST** (110): SFO-ICN: 10/2010
7.82: Singapore Airlines (06): EWR-SIN: 09/2006
7.66: Sri Lankan (104): DEL-CMB: 07/2010
7.64: Royal Jordanian (91): AMM-YUL: 12/2009
7.61: China Southern (103): LOS-DXB: 04/2010
7.57: Pakistan Airlines (102): ORD-BCN: 06/2010
7.55: Air Canada (132): YEG-LHR: 06/2011
7.46: LAN (55): YYZ-JFK: 09/2008
7.38: AMERICAN AIRLINES **FIRST** (112): LHR-JFK: 10/2010
7.38: CATHAY PACIFIC **FIRST** (109): HKG-LHR: 10/2010
7.36: Turkish Airlines (134): IST-LAX: 10/2011
7.25: Iran Air (88): BOM-IKA: 12/2009
7.23: Air Pacific (120): NAN-APW-HNL: 01/2011
7.23: Virgin Atlantic (81): BOS-LHR: 07/2009
7.14: Swiss (52): SCL-GRU: 06/2008
7.11: Aer Lingus (105): MAD-IAD: 05/2010
7.11: Austrian (79): VIE-JFK: 06/2009
7.07: Privatair (84): BOM-FRA: 08/2009
7.02: Qatar (68): DOH-JFK: 01/2009
6.96: Etihad (61): JFK-AUH: 12/2008
6.93: Delta Airlines (18): SEA-JFK: 11/2006
6.91: Lufthansa (139): 02/2012
6.88: Egypt Air (123): LHR-CAI: 03/2011
6.84: ConViasa (65): CCS-DAM: 01/2009
6.82: Air Burkina (106): BKO-OUA: 06/2010
6.81: Air Canada (17): ICN-YYZ: 10/2006
6.75: Afriqiyah + Libyan (113): CAI-TIP: 11/2010
6.70: KLM (32): EBB-AMS: 08/2007
6.52: Emirates (99): LHR-DXB: 02/2010
6.39: South African (97): EZE-JNB: 01/2010
6.36: Privatair (60): MUC-BOS: 12/2008
6.29: TAM Brasil (96): POA-EZE: 02/2010
6.25: Korean Air (45): NAN-ICN: 10/2007
6.21: Iberia (87): BOS-MAD: 10/2009
6.11: A SKY (107): OUA-COO: 06/2010
6.11: TAP Portugal (53): GRU-OPO: 06/2008
6.00: Gulf Air (75): BOM-BAH: 04/2009
5.88: African Express (89): DXB-NBO: 11/2009
5.75: Singapore Airlines (16): CCU-SIN: 10/2006
5.64: SATA Azores (101): BOS-PDL: 04/2010
5.64: NorthWest (46): ICN-NRT-SEA: 10/2007
5.54: Ethiopian Airlines (95): ADD-BOM: 01/2010
5.46: Icelandair (83): KEF-BOS: 08/2009
5.39: LOT (54): WAW-JFK: 06/2008
5.21: Egypt Air (73): CAI-IST: 02/2009
5.11: Tunisair (115): TUN-ORY: 12/2010
5.07: TACA (66): JFK-SAP: 01/2009
4.89: TAAG Angola (117): TMS-LAD: 12/2010
4.42: Air France: CDG-JNB (25): 08/2007

ECONOMY: Long + Medium:
9.26: Air India (48): JFK-DEL: 02/2008
9.04: First Air (129): YEG-YFB: 06/2011
8.74: Japan Air Lines (130): NRT-BOS: 04/2012 – INAUGURAL
7.99: WestJet (131): YYZ-YYC: 06/2011
7.38: Avianca (01): BOG-LIM: 07/2006
7.07: Sri Lankan (62): KWI-CMB: 12/2008
7.00: LAN (94): IPC-SCL: 01/2010
6.81: STP Airways/Euro Atlantic (116): LIS-TMS: 12/2010
6.74: Air Asia (136): VTE-KUL: 12/2011
6.67: Air Malta (124): MLA-FRA: 04/2011
6.63: Vladavia (126): KHV-PEK: 06/2011
6.41: Air North (127): YEV-YEG: 06/2011
6.41: Avianca (78): JFK-BOG: 05/2009
6.41: American Airlines (58): LHR-BOS: 11/2008
6.39: Condor (85): SEZ-FRA: 09/2009
6.26: Jet Blue (21): CUN-JFK: 02/2007
6.11: Caribbean Airlines (119): POS-FLL: 01/2011
6.06: Air Canada (04): YYZ-YVR: 09/2006
5.89: USA 3000 (19): PUJ-BDL: 01/2007
5.85: Spanair (69): MAD-LPA: 02/2009
5.80: Canadian North (128): YEV-YVQ-YZF-YEG: 06/2011
5.79: Air New Zealand (42): RAR-NAN: 10/2007
5.52: Aerolineas (86): USH-AEP: 10/2009
5.46: TAP Air Portugal (23): OSL-LIS: 05/2007
5.19: Air Europa (70): LPA-MAD: 02/2009
5.16: Iberia (71): MAD-BOS: 02/2009
5.11: Air China (82): FRA-PEK: 08/2009
4.59: IR Aero (125): IKT-VVO: 06/2011

ECONOMY: Short
8.56: Paramount Airways (38): BLR-MAA: 09/2007
8.56: Kingfisher (64): HYD-CCU: 12/2008
8.24: Kingfisher (14): IXA-GAU: 10/2006
7.87: Indian (34): BOM-MAA: 09/2007
7.72: Alliance Air (13): CCU-IXA: 10/2006
7.57: Indian Airlines (10): DEL-CCU: 09/2006
7.23: West Jet (03): YYC-YVR: 09/2006
7.15: JetLite (37): BOM-GOI: 09/2007
6.98: Air Koryo (100): PEK-FNJ: 04/2010
6.96: Maldivian (137): MLE-TRV: 12/2011
6.96: Lao Airlines (135): VTE-KUL: 12/2011
6.70: Spice Jet (09): CCU-DEL: 09/2006
6.63: Air Fiji (44): NAN-SUV: 10/2007
6.63: Jazeera (67): DAM-KWI: 01/2009
6.58: Air Tran (02): EWR-MDW: 08/2006
6.48: Air India Express (63): CMB-MAA: 12/2008
6.44: CO Micronesia (39): ROR-YAP: 10/2007
6.41: Pacific Sun (43): NAN-SUV: 10/2007
6.37: Buffalo (138): YZF-YXY: 10/2007
6.37: Skybus (47): SWF-CMH: 02/2008
6.33: Kenya Airways (29): NBO-BJM: 08/2007
6.33: Sky Europe (56): LTN-BTS: 10/2008
6.31: Indigo (15): GAU-CCU: 10/2006
6.31: easyJet (57): BUD-LTN: 11/2008
6.22: Air Link Swazi (28): MTS-JNB: 08/2007
6.22: Air India (36): HYD-BOM: 09/2007
6.13: Adam Air (07): SIN-CGK: 09/2006
6.13: Air Rarotonga (41): RAR-AIT: 10/2007
6.04: Suriname Airways (118): PBM-POS: 01/2011
6.00: Transairways (27): INH-MPM: 08/2007
5.95: Air Canada (05): ALB-YYZ: 09/2006
5.85: SAS Norge (22): OSL-AES: 05/2007
5.81: LAM Mozambique (26): JNB-MPM: 08/2007
5.69: Air Deccan (12): IXZ-CCU: 10/2006
5.67: Rwanda Air Exp (30): KGL-NBO: 08/2007
5.52: Sevenair (114): TOE-TUN: 11/2010
5.37: Felix Airways (92): SCT-SAH: 12/2009
5.11: Aero Republica (76): BOG-CCS: 04/2009
5.07: Go Air (35): MAA-HYD: 09/2007
5.04: Biman (121): DAC-CGP: 01/2011
5.00: Sky Airline (51): IQQ-SCL: 06/2008
4.96: United Bangla (122): CGP-DAC: 01/2011
4.96: Valuair (08): CGK-SIN: 09/2006
4.78: Air Comet Chile (50): SCL-IQQ: 06/2008
4.74: Fly 540 (31): MYD-LAU: 08/2007
4.33: Viva Aerobus (20): ELP-MTY: 02/2007
4.11: Air Sahara (11): CCU-BOM: 09/2006

(Note on Codes: Y – Economy, J – Business, F – First :: I/D – International/Domestic :: SR/MR/LR – Short/Medium/Long Haul)
(Note on Date: Dates are modified to be +/- 3 days from actual flight date to not reveal actual flight pattern)

VII> Other Pictures:

(LH’s JCL Amenity Kit)


(And, now the stunning Eritrea: Go there before it changes!)

(Asmara: Africa’s best kept secret)


(Not southern Europe)

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(Amazing café @ Asmara)

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(From Asmara, you take a spectacular road to the coast)

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(To coastal towns that make Zanzibar seem ordinary)


(And beaches that are some of the best in the world)

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* Unbiased view on how an actual traveler may view the flight
* Not a professional photographer (so please keep in mind)
* Commitment that I won’t identify myself to the airline as “reviewing them”

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: retrolivery
Posted 2012-09-30 17:56:11 and read 18256 times.

Wow, those photos you've posted from Asmara are incredible. I knew that there was an Italian influence in the region, given the historical connection between Italy and Ethiopia, but I had no idea it was to that extent. It really does look just like a town in Southern Italy. Thank you for sharing these!

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: MHTripple7
Posted 2012-09-30 19:14:25 and read 18051 times.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
One such country I wanted to explore was Eritrea. Formed in 1993 as a breakaway from Ethiopia, the former darling of the international community had retrenched under a single-dictatorship and had recently earned the moniker of being the “North Korea of Africa.” Censorship is so high in Eritrea that DPRK is apparently dubbed as “free” by comparison …

Oh boy, sounds interesting for sure!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
I don’t know why people scare you with these horror stories about Africa – none hold true in Eritrea.

It probably has to do with the fact that many foreigners are in Africa against their will (i.e. for work and not for tourist reasons). They get frazzled when their airport experience doesn't go exactly as it goes at home.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Anyways, after the boarding time passes, the same LH agent comes and tells us that boarding will be delayed (seriously?) and departure will now happen 50 minutes later. During the entire time, no apology or explanation is given, and I am disappointed that the German LH manager makes no attempt to come and greet his premium passengers (like the Italian) who would be missing their onward connection and are in a state of panic.

This is pretty poor handling of a delay.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
On this flight, I was rather impressed with the safety information and all announcements made in both Arabic and Tigrinya (!) – the official language of Eritrea.

This is very impressive and just how a global airline should operate.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(Asmara: Africa’s best kept secret)

WOW. I want to go. How difficult was the visa? Where did you stay?

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2012-09-30 20:06:37 and read 17941 times.

Quoting retrolivery (Reply 1):
Wow, those photos you've posted from Asmara are incredible. I knew that there was an Italian influence in the region, given the historical connection between Italy and Ethiopia, but I had no idea it was to that extent. It really does look just like a town in Southern Italy. Thank you for sharing these!

= The Italian influence is amazing ... more importantly, it is alive in the culture and the notion of just chilling over coffee  .

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 2):
It probably has to do with the fact that many foreigners are in Africa against their will (i.e. for work and not for tourist reasons). They get frazzled when their airport experience doesn't go exactly as it goes at home.

= Perhaps in Angola ... but in general, no EXPAT outside Chinese slaves are held against their will. Most expats are in Africa to make money or enhance their career ... some bitch and whine about home, and I don't get it ... a lot of them would be very middle back home and know that  . Agreed on the airport experience.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 2):
This is pretty poor handling of a delay.

= The fact that the Lufthansa station manager was seen hanging out and having a coffee with the crew and not responding to passengers come across in poor light.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 2):
WOW. I want to go. How difficult was the visa? Where did you stay?

= YOU MUST GO! It will displace your beloved Angola (BTW, where is that TR?). Visa was easy to obtain and I stayed at the Sunshine Hotel I believe? Let's talk more! I'd love to go back and do Somaliland as well.

Thanks for stopping by.

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: MHTripple7
Posted 2012-09-30 20:36:36 and read 17848 times.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 3):
= Perhaps in Angola ... but in general, no EXPAT outside Chinese slaves are held against their will. Most expats are in Africa to make money or enhance their career ... some bitch and whine about home, and I don't get it ... a lot of them would be very middle back home and know that  . Agreed on the airport experience.

Sorry I simply meant they were there for work instead of pleasure. AKA they are not there to enjoy themselves and experience the culture.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 3):
= YOU MUST GO! It will displace your beloved Angola (BTW, where is that TR?). Visa was easy to obtain and I stayed at the Sunshine Hotel I believe? Let's talk more! I'd love to go back and do Somaliland as well.

Haha alright I'll look into it then! And that trip report is coming. My cameras were confiscated by the Angolan police in Luanda after I took a picture of some building that was some government office blah blah blah. Long story short, my Angolan friend got it back for me but has been lazy and has yet to send it to me. So I am still waiting for that, which has been very frustrating. The trip was interesting to say the least, and I think you'll get a kick of my reports whenever I can post them.

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-09-30 22:51:05 and read 17613 times.

Hi Alex,

great report, it was about time to present us a classic LH review! You clearly point out LH's weaknesses - but new seats in all classes are being installed. LH certainly should have started doing so much earlier.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Too bad about the dubious economics.

I wouldn't use the term dubious. The A340 is simply not as efficient as other types, but it still can be used economically.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
The bathrooms had not been thoroughly cleaned and I found litter even though I used it immediately after boarding.

Not good...

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
F load was 0% (as with all LH African flights I have been on)

Really? What about the A380 service to JNB? I guess LH still makes much money with (high?) J and Y fares on African routes.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Overall, I think it is time to refurbish these aircraft, or retire them.

Some A343s and 744s have already been retired, others will follow - but the majority of aircraft has been selected for refurbishing. I'm not sure though how many A343s and 744s have already been retrofitted.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
The LH inflight magazines continues to be one of the best out there with a section on their fleet which even our A.Net resident expert “PH” will approve. Though, I am convinced sometimes PH wrote it …

Correct. LH's inflight magazine is excellent in terms of layout and content. I cannot remember any mistakes in the fleet info section.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
The pecking order of flights on Lufthansa is clearly evident from where they send their aircraft – almost ALL flights from Africa I have been on land remote; half of my CCS flights land remote; nearly all my flights to Asia (NRT/HKG/DEL/BLR) and North America (BOS/JFK) land at a gate …

Very interesting!


PH

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: debonair
Posted 2012-10-01 00:38:51 and read 17393 times.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
One such country I wanted to explore was Eritrea. Formed in 1993 as a breakaway from Ethiopia

Nice TR and very interesting country- great pictures!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
In this trip report, I capture the first trip report on Eritrea, and the first flight on Lufthansa’s vital link via Jeddah.
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
If an alternate airline exists on a route, I will seriously consider it, and even pay a premium for the better service.

I am very disappointed... I was expecting something more "exotic" (knowing your taste)- like Eritrean Airlines (which also operates ASM-FRA-ASM.


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Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
When asked about a lounge, she smiles and shakes her head. C’est la vie.

Very poor ground service! It would be so simple to offer at least a bottle of water to their premium passengers at check-in. Not to mention a voucher for the bar/cafe....

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
after the boarding time passes, the same LH agent comes and tells us that boarding will be delayed (seriously?) and departure will now happen 50 minutes later. During the entire time, no apology or explanation is given, and I am disappointed that the German LH manager makes no attempt to come and greet his premium passengers

Was this a truly (German) LH agent- or just a "supervisor" from the local ground handling company?

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Another novelty was boarding the aircraft through 3L on to the aircraft where a crew that was in chaos trying to finish everything for departure greeted me.

Are you sure? Don't worry- I do believe you! Very, very strange- this is normally an emergency exit door only and absolutely not suitable for boarding (let alone for the height of the door frame and the integrated overhead lockers):


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Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
LH’s J-class leaves a lot to be desired. The lie flat is always thoroughly uncomfortable …

The old J-seats on board are "angled-flat business class seats" and not "lie flat business class seats"...
The newer seat might be a truly lie flat seat and a huge improvement in comfort- but I dislike the V-shape design (just horrible!).


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Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: MSS658
Posted 2012-10-01 01:05:52 and read 17323 times.

Hi Alex


Glad too see the classic LH report to finally be up. It's nice to have the benchmark.
LH's J is indeed running behind and your report clearly shows it. My LH flights in the past have been mediocre to good.
Which my longhaul thankfully was one of the good ones.

Greetings
Marc

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: lukeyboy95
Posted 2012-10-01 05:35:54 and read 16850 times.

Hi Alex,

Terrific report there, but of course I really only had eyes for those destination photos! Staggering - I tried to route up through Djaboutie, Eritrea and then cross into Sudan on my Africa trip but for visa reasons, was unable to. Where did you get your visa?

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
flight on Lufthansa’s vital link via Jeddah.

Amazing link - never knew about this.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Most of these times, I have been rewarded by incredible vistas and reminded of the generosity of the human spirit.

A man after my own heart.. . so often the 'worst' places are the best places!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Even prior to entering the airport, your bags are screened and your “exit visa” checked to see if you have the freedom to leave. No wonder my tour guide (under some alcohol) said that they were living in a prison.

This sounds like Saudi were one can easily get trapped as it where.

The scenes of Eritrea tally with how it might be in my mind, I had heard the Italian influence had really stuck, and I only met very proud, good Eritreans on my travels. Well, I will put that one beside Socotra in my 'Destinations Alex has inspired me to travel to ' list.

Rgds

Luke

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: globalflyer
Posted 2012-10-01 07:14:17 and read 16616 times.

Hi Alex...as usual a wonderful TR. Asmara does seem a place out of time with the colonial influences. I had no idea it was such a dictatorship which is quite sad. I am shocked with your multiple passports that they could figure that out or else we would never hear from you again!   Thanks for sharing! Cheers, Will

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: gabrielchew
Posted 2012-10-01 07:39:30 and read 16561 times.

Thanks for posting Alex. The photos of Eritrea look amazing...and it's safe?

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
One thing Lufthansa MUST be complimented for is the amount of “localization” it provides to flights befitting of a global carrier.

Am I wrong or was it you that said LH weren't good at "localising" compared to SN?

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Unsurprisingly, the aircraft landed at a remote dock in FRA. The pecking order of flights on Lufthansa is clearly evident from where they send their aircraft – almost ALL flights from Africa I have been on land remote; half of my CCS flights land remote; nearly all my flights to Asia (NRT/HKG/DEL/BLR) and North America (BOS/JFK) land at a gate …

Hm, not surprsing, but a shame for these flight (which often have higher average fares). It's the same with SQ in SIN, flights to "nice" places (Europe/US/N.Asia) get the new T3, flights to "2nd tier" places (Africa/India/S.E.Asia) get old T2.

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: chopchop767
Posted 2012-10-01 10:41:15 and read 16156 times.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
The risk LH has is that it continues to lose its middle premium segment (JCL travelers) to better equipped Asian and Gulf carriers. Heck, even the product on U.S. legacies such as US Airways, Delta, and United is a whole lot better. The super premium demand will always be there – Germany is a rich O&D market and M&M (as crappy as it has become) still has a loyal following. However, these super premium traffic is small (as shown on this flight) and the middle premium segment is the one who ultimately gets to be high premium.

I've flown on LH's J class twice in the last three months, to Boston and to Bahrain. In my experience, Alex, you hit the nail on the head: nothing special. The flight attendants are friendly, the food decent and the seat, well, better than a Y seat, but not very comfortable. LH is my carrier of choice out of NAP, and I'm really hoping that the new J seats allow LH not only to improve the hardware, but also the services.

Thanks for a wonderful report.

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: dc9northwest
Posted 2012-10-01 11:33:44 and read 16018 times.

Hey Alex,

Eritrea... Amazing!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
No wonder my tour guide (under some alcohol) said that they were living in a prison.

I think in North Korea that comment would've gotten the tour guide into a real prison...

An interesting route, too, but I still like the Eritrean pictures more. That road looks great... and the towns... look as if straight from a movie... Really great.

Just wow. Thanks for writing it up!

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2012-10-01 12:41:18 and read 15792 times.

Interesting TR. Thanks for sharing.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
On the leg from Asmara to Jeddah, there was no choice (poor), and you were given some very basic Arabic mezze with a cheesecake. It was strange not to have any “western” option. To be fair, the mezze plate was actually rather good – while the dessert was more Y-class than J. This was washed down with some Diet Coke as the wine and champagne offerings were rather weak – except the Riesling which was good as always on LH.

Champagne? On flights to and from the KSA? I thought this wasn't allowed...

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: adamspotter
Posted 2012-10-01 13:17:59 and read 15699 times.

Hi abrelosojos,

Thank you very much for another fantastic report, really enjoyed it as always!
Not a solid performance by LH this time, that JCL really is in need of refurbishment!
Love your pictures of Eritrea, looks like a great and beautiful country

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
One thing Lufthansa MUST be complimented for is the amount of “localization” it provides to flights befitting of a global carrier. On this flight, I was rather impressed with the safety information and all announcements made in both Arabic and Tigrinya (!) – the official language of Eritrea

Very true, LH is always good in that

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Those seriously LH-needs-to-change-this-headset)

wow, looks more like a YCL headset!

cheers,

Brendan

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: stipica
Posted 2012-10-01 14:03:58 and read 15605 times.

Hi abri !
ok for me this is your best trip report ... or better to say this combination is somehow "you" or what is my perspective of "you-your work "... you're more eloquent than usual , you evaluate very rationally company that you really know well and you have a motivational approach by destination and off course cunningly provoke  
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
and basically you should not belong to the aviation community if you have not heard of them

hahahhahahahahha come on ...this is too strong statement ... even my mother knows for LH

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
No wonder my tour guide (under some alcohol) said that they were living in a prison.

sad sad sad sad sad but nobody cares

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
overzealous French guards are deployed on Air France flights protecting fortress Europe

it must be love, love, love .... nothing more, nothing less lalalaaaaaa madnessssss  
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
are almost never realistic especially when doing Schengen/non-Schengen transfers

so... I do not understand ...for OU/LH combination I always wear my running equipment , smile No. 5 and 3-Weather- taft hairspray and extra deodorant ...

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
As many long term readers know, I find Lufthansa%u2019s JCL meal service to be positively horrible. Even if the quality of the food is SA Czech Airlines">OK, the quantity makes me feel I was living in some ration controlled East German town.

hahahahahaha 1. CSA have dissent food ... 2. LH cares about your health and appearance ... 3. what German cuisine considers for a meal : dark wheat bread, sausage and glass of beer and what do you expect more ... boiled potato ...joking

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Yet, at the same time, they efficiently went about their job and got everything done

and this is way my relatives remain loyal to LH although I tried to expand their horizons

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
the stunning Eritrea: Go there before it changes!

this is way I am faithful reader of A.net for decades ...opened my eyes to study things that I maybe never see ... nice ambient,artdeco and modernism,nature ...

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
And beaches that are some of the best in the world

wow ... a wild beach ...you have a private picnic there ?

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 3):
a lot of them would be very middle back home and know that

cough cough cough hihihhiihih
what next ... stipica  

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: HachikoDog
Posted 2012-10-01 22:36:21 and read 15148 times.

Excellent TR. I like the way you described aircraft, cabin, seat, crew and meals. You should work in travel industry  

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2012-10-01 22:44:06 and read 15142 times.

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 4):
Sorry I simply meant they were there for work instead of pleasure. AKA they are not there to enjoy themselves and experience the culture.

= Ya. I know. I was giving you a hard time ... trying to make sure your Angola trips are not only spent in expat ghettos ... someone has to keep you in line after all   ...

Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 4):
Haha alright I'll look into it then! And that trip report is coming. My cameras were confiscated by the Angolan police in Luanda after I took a picture of some building that was some government office blah blah blah. Long story short, my Angolan friend got it back for me but has been lazy and has yet to send it to me. So I am still waiting for that, which has been very frustrating. The trip was interesting to say the least, and I think you'll get a kick of my reports whenever I can post them.

= Aaah ... Angola. All I have sometime for Angola is saudade ... BTW, a very good friend of mine is heading to visit your area ... you two should hook up. He is pretty high up in airline management and I think you'd get along.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 5):
great report, it was about time to present us a classic LH review! You clearly point out LH's weaknesses - but new seats in all classes are being installed. LH certainly should have started doing so much earlier.

= Thanks. Ya. You know, it is super hard for me to review a "classic LH". As I have mentioned, my most flown route on my entire life is CCS-FRA and FRA-CCS. People knows me, and I get preferential treatment. It is not everyday that I can phone from my car 45 minutes ahead of arrival in CCS and make my flight with my preferred seat (and usual upgrade to F). The folks @ CCS are super good. This is why I have saved writing on LH ... besides, I know a lot of their upper management.

Finally, you may see more of LH on here   ...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 5):
I wouldn't use the term dubious. The A340 is simply not as efficient as other types, but it still can be used economically.

= Let me explain why I say dubious ... ANY aircraft with the right RASM would be more efficient and profitable than an aircraft with worse metrics. In the case of the 340, Airbus built an aircraft that provided no incremental CASM benefit, very little incremental performance benefits vs. the 330. Besides a handful, why would anyone buy the 340 vs. the competition? Notice where the 340 is deployed ... on a lot of routes with thin competition ...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 5):
Really? What about the A380 service to JNB? I guess LH still makes much money with (high?) J and Y fares on African routes.

= Yes. LH makes money on their Africa network, and the 380 does well for them to JNB. However, there is a bunch of other routes where the F cabin is totally wasted ... ACC, ADD, CAI, ABV, etc.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 5):
Correct. LH's inflight magazine is excellent in terms of layout and content. I cannot remember any mistakes in the fleet info section.

= And, I think it strikes the right balance between aviation and non-aviation articles and between German and non-German.

Quoting debonair (Reply 6):
Nice TR and very interesting country- great pictures!

= Thanks.

Quoting debonair (Reply 6):
I am very disappointed... I was expecting something more "exotic" (knowing your taste)- like Eritrean Airlines (which also operates ASM-FRA-ASM.

= You ALWAYS provoke me   ... first the DC3, and now this ... let me see what I can do   ...

Quoting debonair (Reply 6):
Very poor ground service! It would be so simple to offer at least a bottle of water to their premium passengers at check-in. Not to mention a voucher for the bar/cafe....

= Exactly. And, this is what I admire about SN Brussels in the other part of Africa. In Ouagadougou, there is no lounge. But, SN Brussels gives you a voucher to use at the airport "bar".

Quoting debonair (Reply 6):
Was this a truly (German) LH agent- or just a "supervisor" from the local ground handling company?

= This guy was as German as currywurst   ...

Quoting debonair (Reply 6):
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Another novelty was boarding the aircraft through 3L on to the aircraft where a crew that was in chaos trying to finish everything for departure greeted me.

Are you sure? Don't worry- I do believe you! Very, very strange- this is normally an emergency exit door only and absolutely not suitable for boarding (let alone for the height of the door frame and the integrated overhead lockers):

= You're absolutely right. I don't know why I did not notice the error.

Quoting debonair (Reply 6):
The old J-seats on board are "angled-flat business class seats" and not "lie flat business class seats"...
The newer seat might be a truly lie flat seat and a huge improvement in comfort- but I dislike the V-shape design (just horrible!).

= Agreed. I was on the 748 inaugural and hated the seats. They are an improvement, but I could not understand why they went for it. Or, why they did not start with the refurbishment with the 380. It makes no sense.

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 7):

Hi Alex


Glad too see the classic LH report to finally be up. It's nice to have the benchmark.
LH's J is indeed running behind and your report clearly shows it. My LH flights in the past have been mediocre to good.
Which my longhaul thankfully was one of the good ones.

Greetings
Marc

= Thanks Marc.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 8):
Terrific report there, but of course I really only had eyes for those destination photos! Staggering - I tried to route up through Djaboutie, Eritrea and then cross into Sudan on my Africa trip but for visa reasons, was unable to. Where did you get your visa?

= I sweet talked my visa out of Washington DC. They usually have no qualms with the visa as long as you can get an invitation letter. If you need one, let me know.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 8):
A man after my own heart.. . so often the 'worst' places are the best places!

= LOL. "Worst", "Best", are all relative.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 8):
The scenes of Eritrea tally with how it might be in my mind, I had heard the Italian influence had really stuck, and I only met very proud, good Eritreans on my travels. Well, I will put that one beside Socotra in my 'Destinations Alex has inspired me to travel to ' list.

Rgds

Luke

= Luke, I need to inspire you more ... how long are you in Saudi Arabia/?

Quoting globalflyer (Reply 9):
Hi Alex...as usual a wonderful TR. Asmara does seem a place out of time with the colonial influences. I had no idea it was such a dictatorship which is quite sad. I am shocked with your multiple passports that they could figure that out or else we would never hear from you again!   Thanks for sharing! Cheers, Will

= Haha. Thanks Will.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 10):
Thanks for posting Alex. The photos of Eritrea look amazing...and it's safe?

= Super safe.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 10):
Am I wrong or was it you that said LH weren't good at "localising" compared to SN?

= LH has come a LONG way ... SN Brussels is definitely a pioneer on this front.

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 10):
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Unsurprisingly, the aircraft landed at a remote dock in FRA. The pecking order of flights on Lufthansa is clearly evident from where they send their aircraft – almost ALL flights from Africa I have been on land remote; half of my CCS flights land remote; nearly all my flights to Asia (NRT/HKG/DEL/BLR) and North America (BOS/JFK) land at a gate …

Hm, not surprsing, but a shame for these flight (which often have higher average fares). It's the same with SQ in SIN, flights to "nice" places (Europe/US/N.Asia) get the new T3, flights to "2nd tier" places (Africa/India/S.E.Asia) get old T2.

= SIN is very different than FRA. SIN is divided based on aircraft usage and optimal towing time. T3 gets mostly long haul flying without swaps and destination that has swaps. T2 gets their short/regional haul fleet - parts of India and parts of S.E. Asia (BWN, DPS) are higher yielding than parts of N.E. Asia (mostly China, CAN and PVG). Look at Silk Air which uses T2 because of fleet commonality and serves all of them, or Scoot which serves low yielding secondary Australia, secondary China, and high yielding NRT ... fleet and operational commonality.

Quoting chopchop767 (Reply 11):
I've flown on LH's J class twice in the last three months, to Boston and to Bahrain. In my experience, Alex, you hit the nail on the head: nothing special. The flight attendants are friendly, the food decent and the seat, well, better than a Y seat, but not very comfortable. LH is my carrier of choice out of NAP, and I'm really hoping that the new J seats allow LH not only to improve the hardware, but also the services.

Thanks for a wonderful report.

= Glad that our experiences are similar.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 12):
Eritrea... Amazing!

= Thanks.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 12):
An interesting route, too, but I still like the Eritrean pictures more. That road looks great... and the towns... look as if straight from a movie... Really great.

Just wow. Thanks for writing it up!

= Haha. Are you going to go now? Maybe, on Sky Pesos  ?

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 13):
Champagne? On flights to and from the KSA? I thought this wasn't allowed...

= Flights to KSA when they overfly cannot have alcohol AFAIR.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 14):

Hi abrelosojos,

Thank you very much for another fantastic report, really enjoyed it as always!
Not a solid performance by LH this time, that JCL really is in need of refurbishment!

= Thanks a lot for your comment - thankfully, some are being refitted.

Quoting adamspotter (Reply 14):
Love your pictures of Eritrea, looks like a great and beautiful country

= It is!

Quoting stipica (Reply 15):
Hi abri !
ok for me this is your best trip report

= Wow. My best ever huh? My personal favourite remain the one on African Express. Have you read that one?

Quoting stipica (Reply 15):
or better to say this combination is somehow "you" or what is my perspective of "you-your work "... you're more eloquent than usual , you evaluate very rationally company that you really know well and you have a motivational approach by destination and off course cunningly provoke  

= Haha. Thanks. I try to be rational ... and I do hope that the least I can do is pique an interest to travel.

Quoting stipica (Reply 15):
hahahhahahahahha come on ...this is too strong statement ... even my mother knows for LH

= EVERY Crotian mom knows LH   ...

Quoting stipica (Reply 15):
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
overzealous French guards are deployed on Air France flights protecting fortress Europe

it must be love, love, love .... nothing more, nothing less lalalaaaaaa madnessssss  

= Ya, love .... for who is to be decided ...

Quoting stipica (Reply 15):
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
are almost never realistic especially when doing Schengen/non-Schengen transfers

so... I do not understand ...for OU/LH combination I always wear my running equipment , smile No. 5 and 3-Weather- taft hairspray and extra deodorant ...

= Haha. I have a friend at Fraport and I joke with her that I lose weight everytime I transit FRA.

Quoting stipica (Reply 15):
hahahahahaha 1. CSA have dissent food ... 2. LH cares about your health and appearance ... 3. what German cuisine considers for a meal : dark wheat bread, sausage and glass of beer and what do you expect more ... boiled potato ...joking

= Hmmm ... I have flown OK once in my life ... a creaking 310 on PRG-YUL with some super ex-Communist crew.

Quoting stipica (Reply 15):
wow ... a wild beach ...you have a private picnic there ?

= Absolutely! I now need to find the picture.

Quoting stipica (Reply 15):
what next ... stipica  

= Where do you think?

Thanks a lot for your kind comments everyone. It inspires me to keep writing, and for that, I am grateful.

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-10-01 23:22:10 and read 15100 times.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 17):
In the case of the 340, Airbus built an aircraft that provided no incremental CASM benefit, very little incremental performance benefits vs. the 330.

Range was a major selling point for a long time.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 17):
Besides a handful, why would anyone buy the 340 vs. the competition?

No one would do that today, but there were good reasons in the past because both the A340-200/300 and the A340-500/600 were available earlier than the 777 counterparts. And the early A330s weren't as capable as later versions. Additionally, many operators had doubts about ETOPS.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 17):
Notice where the 340 is deployed ... on a lot of routes with thin competition ...

That may partly be true in LH's case, but don't think that can be said for A340 operations in general.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 17):
However, there is a bunch of other routes where the F cabin is totally wasted ... ACC, ADD, CAI, ABV, etc.

LH has already removed F Class from numerous A340s and more will follow. CAI doesn't even get widebodies any longer.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 17):
And, I think it strikes the right balance between aviation and non-aviation articles and between German and non-German.

  

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: The777Man
Posted 2012-10-02 01:10:29 and read 15008 times.

Hi Alex!

Thanks for another fantastic report with amazing pictures !

Eritrea sounds intriguing and looks amazing! I definitely need to go there some time. Like someone said above, looks just like something from a movie. Love the colors!

LH seems okay just like you said but nothing special. I have only flown them in Y long haul but just like you said, nice but not great. Not bad though.

The J class seat in you pictures looks very uncomfortable and VERY camped when in lie-flat position. Looks like much less legroom than the old UA C class seats.

Looking forward very much to your next report!

The777Man

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: lukeyboy95
Posted 2012-10-02 03:03:04 and read 14851 times.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 17):
= Luke, I need to inspire you more ... how long are you in Saudi Arabia/?

I have left! 5 months was all, and now I am free as the proverbial bird. Heading off to Indonesia to get lost in a rainforest.

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: deltamartin
Posted 2012-10-02 04:22:27 and read 14757 times.

Hi Alex!

Great report, and very interesting to read about Eritrea, sure seems like it's a place worth visiting, those beaches looks great!
As you said, LH seemed like usual LH.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
The Airbus 340 remains one of the most graceful aircraft ever built

Agree with you on that one!

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
LH’s JCL Amenity Kit

I really like those metal A380 boxes.

Martin

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: imiakhtar
Posted 2012-10-02 09:25:38 and read 14481 times.

Thank you for a very interesting TR Mr abrelosojos. Your pictures of Asmara airport remind me of ISB; that is, extremely basic and falling apart in places.

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 21):
really like those metal A380 boxes.

Likewise. This is the second TR I've seen which has featured them. I shall have to keep an eye on ebay and see if any pop up.

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2012-10-03 00:22:20 and read 13905 times.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 18):
No one would do that today, but there were good reasons in the past because both the A340-200/300 and the A340-500/600 were available earlier than the 777 counterparts. And the early A330s weren't as capable as later versions. Additionally, many operators had doubts about ETOPS.

= We will have to agree to disagree  . The 340 entered service only 2 years before the 777 and that gave ample time to alter the specs in the production life cycle. It is the same mistake that I think the Max is making with a rush to get it out vs. really trying to come up with something better. Both are paper airplanes, but the Max looks weaker than the Neo - but then again, Airbus has a reputation among airlines I have worked with to overpromise. So time will tell ...

Quoting The777Man (Reply 19):

Thanks for another fantastic report with amazing pictures !

= Thanks a lot for the kind words.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 19):
Eritrea sounds intriguing and looks amazing! I definitely need to go there some time. Like someone said above, looks just like something from a movie. Love the colors!

= Isn't it awesome?

Quoting The777Man (Reply 19):
LH seems okay just like you said but nothing special. I have only flown them in Y long haul but just like you said, nice but not great. Not bad though.

= Yup. They have a good OPS manager @ LAX BTW.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 19):
The J class seat in you pictures looks very uncomfortable and VERY camped when in lie-flat position. Looks like much less legroom than the old UA C class seats.

= I HATE the LH J seat - though after so many flights, I have made peace that I won't get good sleep. The UA C seat was a LOT better - infact, 8K was my favorite on the 777.

Quoting lukeyboy95 (Reply 20):
I have left! 5 months was all, and now I am free as the proverbial bird. Heading off to Indonesia to get lost in a rainforest.

= When do you leave?

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 21):
Great report, and very interesting to read about Eritrea, sure seems like it's a place worth visiting, those beaches looks great!
As you said, LH seemed like usual LH.

= Thanks Martin.

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 22):
Thank you for a very interesting TR Mr abrelosojos. Your pictures of Asmara airport remind me of ISB; that is, extremely basic and falling apart in places.

= Oh come on. I lived in ISB, and ISB is a lot nicer than ASM.

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 22):
Likewise. This is the second TR I've seen which has featured them. I shall have to keep an eye on ebay and see if any pop up.
Quoting deltamartin (Reply 21):
I really like those metal A380 boxes.

Martin

= Of you two, whoever responds here faster, I can send a box to your mailing address. If I find a second extra, I can send to both.

Thanks a lot for stopping by everyone.

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-10-03 04:40:19 and read 13723 times.

Alex,


I was really wondering when you would go back to Africa,
Another premiere here, well done, even if like Debonair wrote i was "expecting" too something less conventional   . Never mind!

beautiful pictures of the road, and the "British chain of cinema" Odeon. lol

i truly hope that more TRs have yet to come  

regards


Léo

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: Quokkas
Posted 2012-10-03 05:07:39 and read 13709 times.

Hi Alex,

A very interesting report on a country that most have not been to, myself included. It certainly looks attractive.

Although it is some years since I last flew with LH, from your report they do seem to have maintained the consistency they had then. They provide a reasonable service efficiently. Friendly in a professional manner but without the warmth or spontaneity that you come across on some airlines. Oddly enough, some passengers prefer it that way.

I am not sure what you found wrong with the meals. From your photos they appear substantial enough and fresh. One thing I note, you say that they offer alcohol on flights to JED. This is in contrast to the likes of EK who advertise that alcohol is not provided on flights to Saudi Arabia. This leads me to ask, is the decision up to the airlines or are there any local laws governing the provision of alcohol on flights?

Regards,
Roy

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: kiramakora
Posted 2012-10-03 09:12:46 and read 13557 times.

As usual, fascinating report. I had no idea Eritrea was so beautiful. Thank you for opening my eyes!

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: deltamartin
Posted 2012-10-03 09:27:59 and read 13559 times.

Hi Alex!

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 23):
Of you two, whoever responds here faster, I can send a box to your mailing address. If I find a second extra, I can send to both.

Thank you very much for the offer, but I am lucky enough to have one already! So send it to imiakhtar.  

Martin

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: stipica
Posted 2012-10-03 10:03:29 and read 13521 times.

Hi A. !

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 17):
African Express. Have you read that one?

yawn .... boring one   ... how dare you just to ask those questions !? I am self proclaimed "the most famous reader on a.net "... and off course "seat expert" ... hehehe

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 17):
Where do you think?

I know how it will begin ... Feedback always appreciated. ... hehehe ... and the following sentence is ... As frequent readers of my reports know, I have a project in ... this is difficult to answer ... so my wish list is ... AR 1140,JJ 8080, AM14,MH2,GA 884 , VA 1 , S3 1334 ,CU311/CU440,OU493 ... stipica  

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2012-10-03 21:21:54 and read 13195 times.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 24):
Alex,


I was really wondering when you would go back to Africa,
Another premiere here, well done, even if like Debonair wrote i was "expecting" too something less conventional   . Never mind!

beautiful pictures of the road, and the "British chain of cinema" Odeon. lol

i truly hope that more TRs have yet to come  

regards


Léo

= Léo, thanks for your kind comments. I am actually in Africa right now ... in Ghana on an airline project. Sadly, I cannot say much about it ... but if it all goes through, African aviation will look a whole lot different  . Seems like you have been busy as well. BTW, is Odeon present in other parts of Africa?

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 25):
Hi Alex,

A very interesting report on a country that most have not been to, myself included. It certainly looks attractive.

Although it is some years since I last flew with LH, from your report they do seem to have maintained the consistency they had then. They provide a reasonable service efficiently. Friendly in a professional manner but without the warmth or spontaneity that you come across on some airlines. Oddly enough, some passengers prefer it that way.

I am not sure what you found wrong with the meals. From your photos they appear substantial enough and fresh. One thing I note, you say that they offer alcohol on flights to JED. This is in contrast to the likes of EK who advertise that alcohol is not provided on flights to Saudi Arabia. This leads me to ask, is the decision up to the airlines or are there any local laws governing the provision of alcohol on flights?

Regards,
Roy

= Thanks for the comments Roy. Ya - I usually thought that was the rule. What has your experiences been?

Quoting kiramakora (Reply 26):
As usual, fascinating report. I had no idea Eritrea was so beautiful. Thank you for opening my eyes!

= Thanks mister. We need to speak soon!

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 27):
Thank you very much for the offer, but I am lucky enough to have one already! So send it to imiakhtar.  

Martin

= Haha - ok  .

Quoting stipica (Reply 28):
yawn .... boring one   ... how dare you just to ask those questions !? I am self proclaimed "the most famous reader on a.net "... and off course "seat expert" ... hehehe

= I am glad you have moved on from just being a "seat expert"   ...

Quoting stipica (Reply 28):
I know how it will begin ... Feedback always appreciated. ... hehehe ... and the following sentence is ... As frequent readers of my reports know, I have a project in ... this is difficult to answer ... so my wish list is ... AR 1140,JJ 8080, AM14,MH2,GA 884 , VA 1 , S3 1334 ,CU311/CU440,OU493 ... stipica  

= I am disappointed at those boring flight list! Though S3 1334 is curiously interesting ...

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-10-04 03:43:30 and read 13007 times.

ALex

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 29):
I am actually in Africa right now ... in Ghana on an airline project

Lucky you! some carriers have vanished from the skies, do you think there are too many operators in that region?

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 29):
African aviation will look a whole lot different  

I rely on you to transform this in better   , how long will it take 5 years? 10 years?

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 29):
BTW, is Odeon present in other parts of Africa?

hum not sure about it honestly, i know there two pretty good ones here in Edinburgh

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: palmjet
Posted 2012-10-04 05:16:35 and read 12954 times.

Hi Alex

An airline I am well familiar with, but not the route - thanks for bringing this one to us.

I really loved the pics of Asmara and Eritrea generally. Some great landscapes and scenes if you love photography (which I do). Glad you included these in the report too.

Enjoyed reading about the LH experience which frankly, seems to be broadly reflective of a number of reports made about current J class offering from them. Not sure that I would be racing out to choose LH over other carriers for my J class travel at present.

Many thanks

Cheers Palmjet

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: SRQKEF
Posted 2012-10-04 07:49:36 and read 12834 times.

Great report! Eritrea seems to be a place to visit. One of many many many places in the world where I want to go! I guess it's both good and bad that there are so many exciting places in the world... Good: You never run out of fun places. Bad: You can't visit them all.

Kind regards and keep 'em coming!
Sveinn  

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2012-10-04 21:10:58 and read 12561 times.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 30):
Lucky you! some carriers have vanished from the skies, do you think there are too many operators in that region?

= Preciously ... why I think there is a tremendous void here. Remember, that besides Nigeria, Ghana is the next big choice for a West African operation. If LFW can make it work, imagine ACC ...

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 30):
I rely on you to transform this in better   , how long will it take 5 years? 10 years?

= Like a lot of things in Africa, a lot depends on the Government rules ... and the predictability of it.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 30):
hum not sure about it honestly, i know there two pretty good ones here in Edinburgh

= Oh. I thought you meant Africa  . LOL.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 31):
An airline I am well familiar with, but not the route - thanks for bringing this one to us.

= Pleasure.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 31):
I really loved the pics of Asmara and Eritrea generally. Some great landscapes and scenes if you love photography (which I do). Glad you included these in the report too.

= I suck at photography, so usually leave them out.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 31):
Enjoyed reading about the LH experience which frankly, seems to be broadly reflective of a number of reports made about current J class offering from them. Not sure that I would be racing out to choose LH over other carriers for my J class travel at present.

= Yup. My sentiments exact. BTW, when do you head to Canada? My friend just moved back there instead of anothr airline. Have you been in touch?

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 32):
Great report! Eritrea seems to be a place to visit. One of many many many places in the world where I want to go! I guess it's both good and bad that there are so many exciting places in the world... Good: You never run out of fun places. Bad: You can't visit them all.

Kind regards and keep 'em coming!
Sveinn  

= Thanks Sveinn. BTW, I am in Iceland in February ... you must tell me what to do besides meetings!

Thanks everyone for stopping by.

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: palmjet
Posted 2012-10-05 00:27:43 and read 12465 times.

Hi Alex

Quote:
Yup. My sentiments exact. BTW, when do you head to Canada? My friend just moved back there instead of anothr airline. Have you been in touch?

I've been and gone (got back a few days ago). Thank you so much again for providing me with those contact details. I was in touch and was able to confirm the 736 operating my flight. No schedule changes so I was able to successfully log my first 736! I am in the midst of sending a short thank you email. I had *such* a great time in Canada. Trip reports in production!

Palmjet

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2012-10-08 22:05:18 and read 11732 times.

Quoting palmjet (Reply 34):

I've been and gone (got back a few days ago). Thank you so much again for providing me with those contact details. I was in touch and was able to confirm the 736 operating my flight. No schedule changes so I was able to successfully log my first 736! I am in the midst of sending a short thank you email. I had *such* a great time in Canada. Trip reports in production!

Palmjet

= Cool. I am glad it all worked out. Just finished your YYT report, and look to the next.

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: IL62Mdakar
Posted 2012-10-09 06:17:21 and read 11523 times.

Hi abrelosojos,

Thank you for this brilliant report. I normally wouldn’t have bothered reading a LH report but when I saw that you wrote one on this exotic route that always intrigued me I had to read it. I am surprised though that you didn’t fly Eritrean Airlines or found a more exotic way to get to/from Asmara.

Your photos from Asmara and Eritrea are amazing. I can see why Asmara deserves the title of nicest city in Africa. I am always attracted by destinations that are deemed not interesting one doesn’t read or hear much about and Eritrea definitely ticks the box. I have travelled quite a bit in West- and southern Africa but the East is uncharted territory so far.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
The crew on-board was typical Lufthansa. Pleasant (but not overly friendly), task oriented, and (for the lack of any better word) very German. In very typical LH fashion, they were not too helpful during the boarding process and there was not into much smiling. Like many of their counterparts, they did not have the Asian flair for service, nor the dry humor that makes me really adore crew on SOME BA, VS, SA, etc. flights. Yet, at the same time, they efficiently went about their job and got everything done.

I couldn’t stop smiling when I read this comment. It’s probably the best summary I have seen on LH service. Being German myself but living in the UK I know exactly what you mean. I showed this comment to my wife who is from India and has travelled on LH short haul numerous times but also from the US to India and she loved it.

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: SRQKEF
Posted 2012-10-12 06:51:36 and read 10624 times.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 33):
BTW, I am in Iceland in February ... you must tell me what to do besides meetings!

Haha, it depends on where you are and how much time you have. Of course, if you have time, you should try out Air Iceland, the main domestic airline in Iceland. Also, bring with you swimming equipment. Because of the hot water here we have some awesome pools!

Definitely send me a PM if you want more information. Also, who are you meeting?

Regards,
Sveinn  

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: SR 103
Posted 2012-10-12 08:06:59 and read 10594 times.

Thanks for a rather informative and insightful report on Lufthansa business class. Strangely enough, it looks like you and I agree on something.

I do a lot of LH flying these days and I could not agree more with your comments on the airline. You hit a perfect note with the description of the Lufthansa meals and cabin crew. They are pleasant and efficient but rarely anything more.

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: reifel
Posted 2012-10-13 08:57:56 and read 10181 times.

Excellent report! Never had an idea how Asmara could look like and your pictures were lovely!

What they served in J seems pretty bad actually. Not impressing at all,.
Yes, Frankfurt is quite a mess. I am never transiting there,so not too bad with me. Now that the new A pier is open all US flights arrive and depart from there. Maybe this makes at lest these transfers within A piers easier (Schengen to US basically).

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2012-10-13 21:29:12 and read 9940 times.

Quoting IL62Mdakar (Reply 36):
Thank you for this brilliant report. I normally wouldn’t have bothered reading a LH report but when I saw that you wrote one on this exotic route that always intrigued me I had to read it. I am surprised though that you didn’t fly Eritrean Airlines or found a more exotic way to get to/from Asmara.

= Thanks for the comments and honor  . As I have said many times on this forum, I have a hard time writing LH reports from my home airport of CCS as the service I get is not ordinary ... also, I had promised several people a LH report, and so had to make it "exotic" ...

Quoting IL62Mdakar (Reply 36):
Your photos from Asmara and Eritrea are amazing. I can see why Asmara deserves the title of nicest city in Africa. I am always attracted by destinations that are deemed not interesting one doesn’t read or hear much about and Eritrea definitely ticks the box. I have travelled quite a bit in West- and southern Africa but the East is uncharted territory so far.

= Asmara is pure amazing - lots of little cafe's and bars to hang out, and some awesome gin! You really must go!

Quoting IL62Mdakar (Reply 36):
I couldn’t stop smiling when I read this comment. It’s probably the best summary I have seen on LH service. Being German myself but living in the UK I know exactly what you mean. I showed this comment to my wife who is from India and has travelled on LH short haul numerous times but also from the US to India and she loved it.

=  . I don't think I have ever written a report where SO many people agree with the overall assessment. LOL.

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 37):
Haha, it depends on where you are and how much time you have. Of course, if you have time, you should try out Air Iceland, the main domestic airline in Iceland. Also, bring with you swimming equipment. Because of the hot water here we have some awesome pools!

Definitely send me a PM if you want more information. Also, who are you meeting?

Regards,
Sveinn  

= Sveinn - can't tell you who I am meeting   ... but I am finding out that Iceland is a super small country ... anyways, will PM for sure. I am there for 4 days and will probably try to extend to a weekend. The last time I went was in August and I have a feeling this experience would be different. Maybe, a domestic hop is likely ...

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 38):

Thanks for a rather informative and insightful report on Lufthansa business class. Strangely enough, it looks like you and I agree on something.

= Haha. It took a LH report to get us to agree on something  .

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 38):
I do a lot of LH flying these days and I could not agree more with your comments on the airline. You hit a perfect note with the description of the Lufthansa meals and cabin crew. They are pleasant and efficient but rarely anything more.

= Yup.

Quoting reifel (Reply 39):
Excellent report! Never had an idea how Asmara could look like and your pictures were lovely!

= Thanks. You really must stop visiting Beograd and go there ...

Quoting reifel (Reply 39):
What they served in J seems pretty bad actually. Not impressing at all,.
Yes, Frankfurt is quite a mess. I am never transiting there,so not too bad with me. Now that the new A pier is open all US flights arrive and depart from there. Maybe this makes at lest these transfers within A piers easier (Schengen to US basically).

= As a O&D airport, I find FRA to be perfectly acceptable. Part of the "blame" also lie with the Star Alliance carriers - most notably AC, but also LH, which file unrealistic MCT's especially knowing bus gates will be involved ...

Thanks a lot for stopping by everyone.

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: SRQKEF
Posted 2012-10-14 12:00:23 and read 9692 times.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 40):
Sveinn - can't tell you who I am meeting   ... but I am finding out that Iceland is a super small country ... anyways, will PM for sure. I am there for 4 days and will probably try to extend to a weekend. The last time I went was in August and I have a feeling this experience would be different. Maybe, a domestic hop is likely ...

Haha, ok. As the aviation market is small in Iceland (as everything else), my dad would know the guy you're meeting for sure...  
Everyone knows everyone around here.
Regarding domestic hops, you could maybe have a daytrip to Greenland instead? And if you fly domestic, I will be demanding a report!  

Regards,
Sveinn  

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: Avianca
Posted 2012-10-14 17:15:14 and read 9583 times.

you anounced for a very long time an LH report and I was quite sure it will cover the Asmara route, or something else very exotic like Port Harcourt etc...  

amazing report! and yeah an exotic routing! did you conect straight to CCS? if yes I doubt their are many passengers ex Asmara to CCS, I think the biggest trafic of Sub-Sahara Africa to CCS should be Nigeria (oil traffic).

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(I have CCS-FRA as the #1 segment I have ever flown and most of it is in these confinement

I am still waiting a copy of your flightmemory would really reall love to see yours.

Cheers
Avianca

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: Aviaco
Posted 2012-10-14 18:02:07 and read 9537 times.

Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Another novelty was boarding the aircraft through 3L on to the aircraft

That is just not possible. 3L is an emergency exit only.

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: abrelosojos
Posted 2012-10-14 18:23:45 and read 9517 times.

Quoting Aviaco (Reply 43):
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Another novelty was boarding the aircraft through 3L on to the aircraft

That is just not possible. 3L is an emergency exit only.

= Yes. That was my mistake and I already corrected it as per "debonair" who noticed it:

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 17):
Quoting debonair (Reply 6):
Quoting abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Another novelty was boarding the aircraft through 3L on to the aircraft where a crew that was in chaos trying to finish everything for departure greeted me.

Are you sure? Don't worry- I do believe you! Very, very strange- this is normally an emergency exit door only and absolutely not suitable for boarding (let alone for the height of the door frame and the integrated overhead lockers):

= You're absolutely right. I don't know why I did not notice the error.
Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 41):
Haha, ok. As the aviation market is small in Iceland (as everything else), my dad would know the guy you're meeting for sure...  
Everyone knows everyone around here.
Regarding domestic hops, you could maybe have a daytrip to Greenland instead? And if you fly domestic, I will be demanding a report!  

Regards,
Sveinn  

= Haha. Yes, I KNOW how small Iceland is ... especially the aviation sector. Your dad is with FI right? I will keep the domestic hops in mind - let's see how inspired I am to travel in the cold. I like KEF so might just stay back in town and enjoy the nightlife. Will message you when I am there.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 42):
you anounced for a very long time an LH report and I was quite sure it will cover the Asmara route, or something else very exotic like Port Harcourt etc...  

= Haha. Did you really guess ASM  ? OK, I might have 2 more LH reports based on popular demand ... tell me, where do you think they are from ...  ?

Quoting Avianca (Reply 42):
amazing report! and yeah an exotic routing! did you conect straight to CCS? if yes I doubt their are many passengers ex Asmara to CCS, I think the biggest trafic of Sub-Sahara Africa to CCS should be Nigeria (oil traffic).

= Yes. However, my flights have an increasing amount of people going to China - I find a lot of people going to PEK and PVG - and quite a few double connects to CAN. Also see at least 3-4 people in JCL to DEL and a lot of YCL peeps to LHR.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 42):
I am still waiting a copy of your flightmemory would really reall love to see yours.

Cheers
Avianca

= Let me finish working on it next weekend and you'll have it. BTW, I got a nice view of the conViasa hangar the other day.

Thanks everyone for stopping by.

Saludos,
A.

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: SRQKEF
Posted 2012-10-15 01:15:08 and read 9367 times.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 44):

Nope, my dad fully left FI early 2012 and now runs the aviation lease company IceLease along with 2 others.

Regards,
Sveinn

Topic: RE: Lufthansa LH 593: FEB/12: ASM-JED-FRA: J Cabin
Username: Avianca
Posted 2012-10-15 15:50:58 and read 9131 times.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 44):
Haha. Did you really guess ASM ? OK, I might have 2 more LH reports based on popular demand ... tell me, where do you think they are from ... ?

well I can imagine a report ex Malabo or Port Harcourt should be in the pipeline and maybe something not so exotic like MUC-DEL?  
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 44):
= Yes. However, my flights have an increasing amount of people going to China - I find a lot of people going to PEK and PVG - and quite a few double connects to CAN. Also see at least 3-4 people in JCL to DEL and a lot of YCL peeps to LHR.

well I was refering to Sub-Sahara Africa, looks like that LH is than steeling AF passengers to China? AF was always very strong into China ex CCS - sometimtes during bording in CDG you thought you are on the way to PVG instead of CCS . but of course something you can judge as you for sure since forecer avoiding your beloved AF   

Also as per my understanding for the passengers bound to INDIA LH is the joice and suprisingly also to MID-Eastern countries... at least impressive how many Lebanese, etc are always in the german embassy in CCS requesting transit visas!

Cheers
Avianca


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