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Topic: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-10-21 14:16:29 and read 13272 times.

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السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته - Murakaza neza dear A.netters,

Also a warm welcome to you, kind-hearted Suryo (Akhmad)





After visiting my siblings and other family members, time came to hit the sky. I was very keen to try out Gulf Air but some troubles early this year force them to axe the 2 months old Ugandan route.



TRIP PLANNING



Last November when the Tanzanian emigration denied the country's exit, i was forced to buy a last minute one way ticket with KLM at a hefty USD 1565 ( YCL cabin), sure they were – and still are – the most expensive out here.
Thanks god with the arrival of the Oryx, now a one way ticket cost only USD480 to London and 550 to Paris. A no brainer!

Before starting a few pictures of the Land of the Thousand Hills

A glimpse of the self proclaimed "Switzerland" of Africa
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Kigali skyline at dawn




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The same Kigali skyline, later on




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Did you know that fact?

Distance to Alexandria : 6 718 km
Altitude: 2 428 m
Latitude S 02°16'55.962"
Longitude E 29°19'52.470"





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The fairly sharp edges of the coast: Lake Kivu bordering The DR Congo




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The Memorial of Bisesero: "The Hill of Resistance".

These hills refused to betray the horror of the genocide in 1994. Have a quick read here : http://www.genocidearchiverwanda.org.rw/index.php?title=Bisesero .




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The Canopy Trail: an aerial walkway in Nyungwe Forest - not for those with a fear of heights!




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Pylon and wires of the canopy walk, built by the Canadian specialist "GreenHeart Conservation Company Ltd".




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The biggest in East Africa, with its highest point situated 90 meters above the ground.




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A diademed (or blue) monkey eating fruits in allophylus abyssinicus tree.






Maintained daily, it can support maximum 4 tones.





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A family lunch: rabbit, beans ...and a ( room temperature) Primus! Yummy   .





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Nina, one of my nieces, shyly greets you!





KIGALI AIRPORT



My friend dropped me off in advance because i've been confused with the arrival time of the QR536 and the departure time of the QR537. But it has been proved at least a great idea because the best local football team APR ( the Army Patriotic of Rwanda) was going to play an African Champion league game in Tunisia (that they lost 2-3 in the last minutes)

With no on line check-in available, i've made my way to one of the two counters opened, but it took ages due to some member of this team spread on both lane. After a 10 minute wait a QR agent got opened a third lane specifically for them. Thankfully it has partially relieved from the pain because afterwards an issue on printing out the BP happened. The check in agent, holding my credit card, mentioned a computer problem.


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Modernisation? Yes! The Chinese company clearly says NO to the "new airport project at Bugesera"    .




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The A.P.R. Football relaxing land side




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A good friend of mine posing with a local star




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Check-in desks, with the intriguing "C-9" on ET screen noticed by Gabrielchew




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A total mess!





Time to go seamlessly upstairs to the emigration and then the lounge.

I don't own any Frequent flyer "Elite" status with QR but a friend told me about a nice promotion at the Pearl lounge operated by National Aviation Services (NAS) a renowned provider of ground handling services company based in Kuwait. Apparently they own or operate some lounges in Egypt, UAE too along with having agreements at few European airports like LGW, LHR and AMS too.

Gabrielchew produced a wonderful synopsis of the Pearl Lounge, with his first unreleased images of this relatively new refurbished place, in this awesome TR:


Africa 3: ET KGL-EBB-ADD-DAR-ZNZ. To Zanzibar In C (by gabrielchew Feb 5 2012 in Trip Reports)


Usd 10 was the entry fee meaningful 50 % off, 12h45 represented the theoretical time of check in inside showed on the receipt, the strict steward did not know why i showed up here only at 13h35, instead of the aforementioned time. He finally waived me inside after a fierce negotiation.


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A substantial saving: lounge fee reduced to USD10 instead of 20




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Pearl Lounge




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The awful seating area: "the-must-be-seen-in-the-lounge-by-everybody" (no privacy)




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The paying bar




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Cold snacks offering




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Beverages and fruits




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The best seats approved by (again) Gabrielchew




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My light bites




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Comfortably settled in and watching Rwandair and Ethiopian birds






Think global, act local   .






Boarding was called few minutes after the ET flight to the same destination – Entebbe – and while the first group of passengers got a ride in a Cobus 2000 or 3000, the second group (where i was) must walked towards the aircraft. No complain of course but again the lack of consistence.



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QR537: Leg Kigali – Entebbe



Unlike two weeks ago, some details ought to miss. We were welcomed by an Asian crew and given the seat direction, I was sad to do not see any local hostess though. As you could realised during the inaugural flight, the load factor was light and one could choose any upfront seat, what two business men did.

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B737 Ethiopian backtracking runway 10


Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-10-21 14:18:31 and read 13355 times.

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Scenes of the apron




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the attractive business cabin...




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... Will remain empty




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Moving upfront to the bulkhead seats




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Preflight service




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Dassault Falcon 900B G-HMEI




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Amahoro Stadium and Remera surburb







TAKE OFF VIDEO AT KIGALI (left side): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9jL2msghJk


Once the wheels up, the snack service enhanced the quantity tried by KLM and ET on the same leg consisting on a juice or water here an starchy edible cake could sponge the drink, well after the J fantasy, it was called a delusional comparison.



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The Free Trade Zone




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Kigali airport's overview and Kanombe




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Armrest tablet and built in USB plug




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IFE system activated and basic F&B service for the 55 minutes short hop




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More less 35 travellers bound to Doha or beyond




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The dazzling Lake Victoria on approach




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Downtown Kampala, 30 miles away






LANDING VIDEO AT ENTEBBE/KAMPALA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yx2hwNZ_IM


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The EBB – KGL – EBB race's winner   . Again!




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Superb livery of the East African majestic cranes: Air Uganda





No passenger left the aircraft in Eco in Uganda, whilst the J cabin remained empty from the initial departure city.


QR537: Leg Entebbe – Doha



After moving to the designated seat, Y cabin got almost full mainly by wazungu, the standard procedures of safety demonstration and take off towards the south. The middle seat remained unoccupied so we both enjoyed extra space.




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Belgian Hercule C-130, CRJ200 and MD80 Air Uganda, and a Skycargo





TAKE OFF VIDEO AT ENTEBBE/KAMPALA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l9hmd0wfGA


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The (limited) seat recline






IFE boxes that not reduce the foot-room




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The befitting legroom




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Sjacob a local here, Lukeyboy95 (who crossed here in cement truck) ...




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... and Abrelosojos (guessing already), are STRICTLY BANNED from answering the next question    .




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Other A.netters "Can you name and present this town's main attraction?" (two answers please)




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A clue maybe? Perhaps!




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Approaching the Lake Turkana in Kenya




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Sunset over the Ethiopian desert



Once the service began, an unhygienic discovery partially ruined my appetite, the tray was filthy with some crumbs and other evidence of the lack of cleaning. The hostess was shown this but she did not really care and replied to complain to the local cleaning team in UG or RW. It so was hard to retain myself from a bad comment.

I recall having a choice of beef or fish, and opted for the latter, The food tasted okay, but the content of the tray was filled generously. One can notice that the starter – some green beans – and the dessert – sort of bread and butter pudding with custard – were exactly the same that Sjacob was served in his trip report:

EBB - DOH - ZRH - STR (QR)...Uganda To Germany (by sjacob Sep 18 2012 in Trip Reports)


After the coffee service, i've requested to a flight attendant a liquor similar to Baileys or Amarula (served on any international KQ flights) and she answered that Gin vodka or whisky were available only... that's really poor, (no rum or brandy either what a shame!!). So i finally sticked with water.


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Greasy and filthy tray    .




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Would you be able to guess the previous snack service    ?




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No menu given, fish for main, Sjacob did you like the dessert?


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Cabin almost full (nearly 90 %)





The rest of the flight was uneventful, i've tried to watch a movie in the super rich featured IFE, the screen was not really sensitive, and had to hit for the activating the features.

We flew quiet early over Doha (like 1h in advance), but the captain said that the congestion would force us to circle around, and indeed after 30 min we landed before the schedule.


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Bathroom somewhat clean




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Soap and moisturizer




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Circling over DOH




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On final






LANDING VIDEO AT DOHA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELmMjOI9TZU

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Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-10-21 14:20:55 and read 13341 times.

TRANSIT AT DOHA AIRPORT




Our kind fellow Akhmad perfectly described in one of his TR what everybody thinks about a transit here:

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Departures and arrivals in DOH always meant bus gates. so I tried to be discrete that time. [...] I got tipped over my shoulder two years ago for taking pictures, so I tried to be discrete that time.
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A "stolen" picture of AHH





DOH was rather crowded at this time of the night. Of course the mega shopping centre called for great bargains. Avoiding the temptation represented the biggest challenge here!

Thanks to one of my Premier credit card from the famous bank that advertises every single international airports in this world   , i was granted a free access to the Oryx lounge ( one among the few allowing a free guest), also shared with AF/KL BA and LH Elite members and biz class

Located at the mezzanine it seemed the peak time here with three receptionists very active. The food offering was much better than Entebbe lounge along with the smoking area for those of you nicotine - addicted, otherwise for the rest of its equipment it can not compete with it   , also because i could not find any shower .



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Walking towards the next stop




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Public departure lounge




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Foreign airlines & other membership cards admitted here




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Main seating area




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The couch surfer style?   .




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Smoking room




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One of the computer stations




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The farthest buffet from the entrance



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Wines, spirits and others can be obtained upon request to staff




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The quietest place out there (first door on the left after reception)





.QR007: Leg Doha – London Heathrow




The usual strategy opted is to wait until "the last call", tonight one of the agent (prior the BP scanning) became surprised to do not see any visa for UK, while he saw a AMS stamp. A short explanation was satisfactory and he let me board the plane.


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Do any other airlines fly in to Qatar?  .




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Still awaiting the miles to be credited! bummer






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A "silly" dude yelled at me after this low quality photo





I was pretty much exhausted in that part, so i did not pay much attention about the details my apologies!
The 2-4-2 lay out is nice, especially for the window seat, the IFE box decreases considerably the foot-room.

Once airborne we were distributed:

- some candies and cold towel
- the usual stickers for meals duty free or rest
- a hot wrap stuffed with chicken (or vegetarian)

Once trays cleared, i fell asleep straight forward, and was waked up at the breakfast time by a male crew member. Thanks to the useful sticker!


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A blurry view of the cabin




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Push back on time




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Banking left




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A petty handful of candies "Zoom"




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Choose your stickers




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massive IFE box




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Amenity kit




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Well presented at least even at a late time!




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Snack given ( the cool steward served me a second   )




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Wake up time, very mouthwatering for B/F.




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The cool winglet!






Landing on time and taxiing up to the T4, i've tried the convenient e-passport gates but unsuccessful, anyway it was fast too with the many manned counters opened!


LANDING VIDEO AT LONDON HEATHROW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkXCMhrQlsw .


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VS fleet and CX Queen of the Skies




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A QF whale




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KQ102 should have arrived around 5h45... 5Y-KYZ




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Alitalia, EI-IKF




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Qatar Airways, Airbus A340-600, A7-AGA at London Heathrow







.CONCLUSION



Overall, everything turned up smoothly, apart from few minor spots like the longish check in process, the overzealous lounge agent at KGL and the dirty tray in-flight. A normal flight that won't leave a wow factor, but will stick to what expected.




Why should you CHOOSE Qatar Airways to East Africa?



- The hot services for the flight times and the freebies are among the most satisfactory points.
- The fare, some EUR 230 cheaper (at the time) than the customary and mean one way suggested by the runner up cheapest option.
- Hopefully you can top up your BAEC account soon.




Why should you AVOID Qatar Airways to East Africa?


A "middle of the night" by bus connection ( until December if it's up to date)
The five extra hours are horrendous
You should rather give your hard earned money to an East African operator like Kenya Airways
In term of environment protection (think about our gorillas and wild forests?), the amount of CO2 and CH4 emissions during the extra flights damage seriously the planet's preservation.

Here are some results ( in tones of CO2 and CH4 emissions ) quiet obvious for some of you:


*    KENYA AIRWAYS and its well performing 0,67 tones   .

KGL – NBO = 0,08
NBOLHR = 0,59


* Bad Boy    = > Qatar Airways with a heavy 0,83 tones (excluding the bus transfers at DOH)

KGL – EBBDOH = 0,38
DOH – LON = 0,45

* Best practise    => SN Brussel Airlines a correct 0,62 tones

KGL – EBBBRU = 0,58
BRULHR = 0,04



To conclude with QR, here the potential destinatios that could be reached locally departing from LHR or KGL instead of enduring the "byway"



How far will you reach at 1327 nm from LHR



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With three YES and four NOs, you ought to consider another carrier concerning your travel opportunities to QR's East African countries!






Thank you for reading, comments and corrections are always valuable.


East African Spotter (Léonard)


Other related trip reports:

EBB - DOH - ZRH - STR (QR)...Uganda To Germany (by sjacob Sep 18 2012 in Trip Reports)
Africa 3: ET KGL-EBB-ADD-DAR-ZNZ. To Zanzibar In C (by gabrielchew Feb 5 2012 in Trip Reports)


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[Edited 2012-10-21 14:28:22]

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: MSS658
Posted 2012-10-21 15:55:14 and read 13026 times.

Hi EastAfspot

Great to follow up on your Africa reports. I like the pictures of the KGL area.
QR seems to do a great job! Nice work logging the A340-600, need to do it myself one day.

Greetings
Marc

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-10-22 01:05:40 and read 12166 times.

Hey Marc, Thanks for your comment

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 3):
Great to follow up on your Africa reports.

You are welcome   .

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 3):
QR seems to do a great job!

Agree, Overall the product, meals, staff' are much better than SN KL and KQ, only the detour might not be attractive

Quoting MSS658 (Reply 3):
Nice work logging the A340-600, need to do it myself one day.

With only 66 of them, you must work hard to get them, AF used to roster A340 to Canada, which type what is?

let's see now why there was a delay on your TATL flight

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: gabrielchew
Posted 2012-10-22 05:09:10 and read 11929 times.

Very nice report Leonard...QR still seem pretty good.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Gabrielchew produced a wonderful synopsis of the Pearl Lounge, with his first unreleased images of this relatively new refurbished place, in this awesome TR:

Yes, I quite liked that lounge

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Wake up time, very mouthwatering for B/F.

Looks tasty indeed

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Here are some results ( in tones of CO2 and CH4 emissions ) quiet obvious for some of you:


* KENYA AIRWAYS and its well performing 0,67 tones .

KGL – NBO = 0,08
NBOLHR = 0,59


* Bad Boy = > Qatar Airways with a heavy 0,83 tones (excluding the bus transfers at DOH)

KGL – EBBDOH = 0,38
DOH – LON = 0,45

* Best practise => SN Brussel Airlines a correct 0,62 tones

KGL – EBBBRU = 0,58
BRULHR = 0,04

Very interesting to include this data. I imagine most of us on here are slightly cautious about seeing out carbin footprint!

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-10-22 14:13:26 and read 11318 times.

Hey Gabriel

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 5):
Very nice report Leonard

Thanks glad to read you liked it

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 5):
Yes, I quite liked that lounge

it matches the regional standard. its predecessor was really basic

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 5):
Very interesting to include this data.

Thanks, i needed a data to avoid a draw  
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 5):
I imagine most of us on here are slightly cautious about seeing out carbon footprint!

LOL, if you assess your current very extended trip, the outcome would be, how to say, "....must improve asap" 

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: Malayil
Posted 2012-10-22 16:05:49 and read 11157 times.

What exactly was the immigration issue the guy at DOH had?

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: lychemsa
Posted 2012-10-23 02:12:50 and read 10830 times.

Did you get sick in Africa? That's what scares me about going there.

What vaccinations did you take?

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-10-23 06:20:24 and read 10619 times.

Quoting Malayil (Reply 7):
What exactly was the immigration issue the guy at DOH had?

younger, and in a transit i went landside to the terrace in AMS, on the way back to catch the next flight, i kindly asked an officer to stamp my passport ( for the only sake of having Schiphol on it), so what he did.
Then this guy at DOH questioned about having a stamp of AMS on a french passport   .
Did something happen to you there?



Hey Lychemsa, very good questions indeed   .

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 8):
What vaccinations did you take?

Excluding the routine Vaccine-Preventable Diseases that you normally should be immunized at home, many foreign offices require to get those vaccinations prior going to both Rwanda and Uganda:

- Hepatitis A and Hepatitis B,
- Polio,
- Typhoid,
- Yellow fever
- Meningitis and Rabies

In both countries you are also exposed to Malaria, which can be prevented from :

- Taking a prescription antimalarial drug (Atovaquone-proguanil, doxycycline, or mefloquine)
- Using insect repellent and wearing long pants and sleeves to prevent mosquito bites
- Sleeping in air-conditioned or well-screened rooms or using bed nets

Apart from my yellow fever vaccination that must be renew soon, I've been affected many times with malaria when i was based in Malawi, never in those countries though.

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 8):
That's what scares me about going there.

Of course the recommendations ought to vary from a country to another! do you have a idea of an eventual first destination in Africa? If you plan correctly no big issue should happen. Start with countries like Senegal Morocco or South Africa

Quoting lychemsa (Reply 8):
Did you get sick in Africa?

Yes Malaria a few time when in Zambia and Malawi, otherwise during that particular trip, i had a huge headache from a hang over following that day:

Qatar Airways Inaugural (J): A Fifth Freedom Hop (by eastafspot Oct 3 2012 in Trip Reports)

 

In general the recommendations published by the Embassies/consulate are set very high.

Hope that helps

[Edited 2012-10-23 07:11:31]

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: airbuseric
Posted 2012-10-23 07:15:43 and read 10543 times.

Léonard, really cool to see your QR experiece. It's quite good onboard service wise, and, the time on the ground in DOH might also be seen positive as a place to get some 'fresh air' and stretch the legs. Is DOH taxfree shopping really attractive? Because I'm due to fly longhaul on QR next month as well. So, you think the window seat on the A346 is better avoided? Do you know about their 77W?
Anyway, some great pics and a very nice flight all the way. QR seems a very ok choice to me.

Regards
Eric

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: The777Man
Posted 2012-10-23 09:44:35 and read 10393 times.

Hi Leonard !

Thanks for another great report and very nice to see you go long haul this time!

I've had some great flights on QR so I think I'd stick to them especially if they are less expensive. My concerns for emissions are very low. I did fly QR out of NBO about five years ago on a 320 but would like to explore the area more in the future.

Not sure when the new DOH airport opens but for sure the experience there will be much improved.

Meals look good but too bad with the dirty tray table.

Looking forward to your next report!

The777Man

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-10-24 02:25:45 and read 10092 times.

Hi Léonard,

great report with many nice pictures! QR's product looks decent as usual. Good to see you got on the A346.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Last November when the Tanzanian emigration denied the country's exit, i was forced to buy a last minute one way ticket with KLM at a hefty USD 1565 ( YCL cabin), sure they were – and still are – the most expensive out here.
Thanks god with the arrival of the Oryx, now a one way ticket cost only USD480 to London and 550 to Paris. A no brainer!

Wow, what a difference!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
the attractive business cabin...

No VIP in the first row this time?

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
No menu given, fish for main, Sjacob did you like the dessert?

The tray looks fine!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
A "silly" dude yelled at me after this low quality photo

Ah, I hate that...

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Amenity kit

Nice, I didn't get any.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Wake up time, very mouthwatering for B/F.

That looks nice indeed!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
In term of environment protection (think about our gorillas and wild forests?), the amount of CO2 and CH4 emissions during the extra flights damage seriously the planet's preservation.

Here are some results ( in tones of CO2 and CH4 emissions ) quiet obvious for some of you:


* KENYA AIRWAYS and its well performing 0,67 tones .

KGL – NBO = 0,08
NBOLHR = 0,59


* Bad Boy = > Qatar Airways with a heavy 0,83 tones (excluding the bus transfers at DOH)

KGL – EBBDOH = 0,38
DOH – LON = 0,45

* Best practise => SN Brussel Airlines a correct 0,62 tones

KGL – EBBBRU = 0,58
BRULHR = 0,04

I totally support any kind of real environment protection (e.g. protecting rain forests and wildlife, reducing waste etc) but I have serious doubts about the "official" climate theory. It's all about money and taxes IMO. There are numerous alternative views, but those are often being ignored.


PH

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: akhmad
Posted 2012-10-24 11:18:29 and read 9786 times.

السلام عليكم dear Léonard,

First of all, شكرًا, Merci beaucoup, thank you so much for the sweet and touching personal greeting and reference.   


Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Also a warm welcome to you, kind-hearted Suryo (Akhmad)
Quoting eastafspot (Reply 2):
Our kind fellow Akhmad perfectly described in one of his TR what everybody thinks about a transit here:

What did I do to deserve this honor?   


Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
After visiting my siblings and other family members, time came to hit the sky.

It must have been an emotional farewell to them.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
now a one way ticket cost only USD480 to London and 550 to Paris. A no brainer!

Understandable with KL charging USD1565!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Kigali skyline at dawn
Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
The same Kigali skyline, later on

Amazing view!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Did you know that fact?

Distance to Alexandria : 6 718 km
Altitude: 2 428 m
Latitude S 02°16'55.962"
Longitude E 29°19'52.470"

Previously not, but thanks to you, I have been updated.   


Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
The fairly sharp edges of the coast: Lake Kivu bordering The DR Congo

The scenery reminds me of Lake Toba in North Sumatra!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
These hills refused to betray the horror of the genocide in 1994. Have a quick read here : http://www.genocidearchiverwanda.org.rw/index.php?title=Bisesero .

OMG, the sight, the remembrance of people slaughtered, I strongly hope that it will never happen again. Never!  


Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
The Canopy Trail: an aerial walkway in Nyungwe Forest - not for those with a fear of heights!

I have slight fear of heights, but if I make it there, I will just have to go through it.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
The biggest in East Africa, with its highest point situated 90 meters above the ground.

Maginificent!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Maintained daily, it can support maximum 4 tones.

I believe you. Gosh, how I admire the guy’s braveness!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Nina, one of my nieces, shyly greets you!
Bonjour Nina, c’est un plaisir! She’s adorable!

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
The Chinese company clearly says NO to the "new airport project at Bugesera"   

Kigali International Airport is clearly operating at maximum capacity. Why does the company make such statement if the project is set up to accomplish further growth of Rwanda of neighboring countries?

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
A good friend of mine posing with a local star

Cool! But, where’s your photo?   


Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
He finally waived me inside after a fierce negotiation.

Why oh why did he really has to go the hard way?   


Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
My light bites

Do I notice pastel de nata? By the way, good on you for not taking Heineken! 


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 1):
Preflight service

Boiled sweet and refreshing towel! Qatar is among the few airlines in the world to offer preflight service in Economy.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 1):
basic F&B service for the 55 minutes short hop

A packet of cake? Come on! Why did QR not serve any of its delicious hot wraps?

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 1):
More less 35 travellers bound to Doha or beyond

Hopefully, the load has been improved by now.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 1):
Superb livery of the East African majestic cranes: Air Uganda

Absolutely! Especially on the MD-80 tails!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 1):
The befitting legroom

32 inch of better padded seat. Not bad!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 1):
Other A.netters "Can you name and present this town's main attraction?" (two answers please)

Jinja. Main attraction, …err… could it be the Source of The Nile?

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 1):
No menu given,

Was the menu not displayed on the screen? I remember it from my last time flying QR.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 1):
Greasy and filthy tray   

Gross! QR should have to seriously consider another cleaning company.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 2):
the Oryx lounge ( one among the few allowing a free guest), also shared with AF/KL BA and LH Elite members and biz class

Thank you for showing us around. I was wondering where my brother-in-law and his wife ended up after severe delay they experienced.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 2):
Do any other airlines fly in to Qatar? 

Apparently not around that time!  


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 2):
A "silly" dude yelled at me after this low quality photo

Here we go again with pathetic “no photo” rule!   
Hopefully, such silly encounter will become history once The NDIA is opened.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 2):
Amenity kit

Wow, what an impressive content! Nice pouch too!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 2):
( the cool steward served me a second   )

That’s the way I like it!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 2):
A normal flight that won't leave a wow factor, but will stick to what expected.

You sum it up aptly. Fitting final thoughts, I would say!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 2):
- Hopefully you can top up your BAEC account soon.

Hopefully, QR will come to Amsterdam soon!


Léonard, I feel like… I was there with you! The stay with your family, the visit to breathtaking sights with yet sometime confronting history, the meeting with local heroes, the flights, the layover, to Doha, the layover, what a fascinating journey.   


Thank you so much for sharing and once again, for the great honor!   

Wishing you and your family all the bests.
Suryo  

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-10-25 03:06:23 and read 9576 times.

Thank you Eric, Lars, Udo and Suryo for reading and commenting


Eric

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 10):
Léonard, really cool to see your QR experiece

You are welcome

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 10):
Anyway, some great pics and a very nice flight all the way.

Dank u wel

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 10):
Because I'm due to fly longhaul on QR next month as well.

Very interesting, are you going to Asia?

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 10):
So, you think the window seat on the A346 is better avoided?

Not at all! If you are tall the IFE box might restrict the movement

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 10):
Is DOH taxfree shopping really attractive?

IIRC you could get a nice Porsche Panamera S for usd 125 only   . Seriously, i found the electronics around 15 to 20 % cheaper and the perfumes up to 40 % cheaper than the retail prices in the UK


Lars,

Quoting The777Man (Reply 11):
Thanks for another great report and very nice to see you go long haul this time!

Many thanks for your kind reply

Quoting The777Man (Reply 11):
I've had some great flights on QR

On a 777 too?

Quoting The777Man (Reply 11):
I think I'd stick to them especially if they are less expensive.

Correct, you got the point

Quoting The777Man (Reply 11):
My concerns for emissions are very low

Haha, from this website's community, the opposite would have been shocking!

Quoting The777Man (Reply 11):
I did fly QR out of NBO about five years ago on a 320 but would like to explore the area more in the future.

Karibu   , Nairobi is a beautiful city, next time try to go to the coast at Lamu, Malindi or Mombasa

Quoting The777Man (Reply 11):
Meals look good but too bad with the dirty tray table.

For a five star carrier one could expect something else indeed

Quoting The777Man (Reply 11):
Looking forward to your next report!

Hope it will be up soon



Hey PH

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
great report with many nice pictures!

thanks a lot Udo, much appreciated

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
Good to see you got on the A346.

Yup, according to Airfleet, there are only 4 in the QR's fleet. For you which one is the most comfortable between SA, VS and LH

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
Wow, what a difference!

true, One was Y+ though (sarcastic) and QR presumably offered a promotional launch fare, as now they current brackets are usd 580 – 650.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
No VIP in the first row this time?

Nope, probably in the cockpit flying the bird ; - ) .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
Ah, I hate that...

Why such restrictions, authorities should get use by now?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
Nice, I didn't get any.

Was it a morning departure?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
I totally support any kind of real environment protection (e.g. protecting rain forests and wildlife, reducing waste etc)

  .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
It's all about money and taxes IMO. There are numerous alternative views, but those are often being ignored.

Some are ignored, because a lobby hides them from the general public? Thank you for sharing your opinion on that matter concerning our future!



Welkom honourable Suryo,

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
لسلام عليكم dear Léonard,

وعليكم السلام

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
First of all, شكرًا, Merci beaucoup, thank you so much for the sweet and touching personal greeting and reference.   
Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Thank you so much for sharing and once again, for the great honor!  

Graag gedaan!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
What did I do to deserve this honor?  

humm, long story short you are cool  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
It must have been an emotional farewell to them.

Like always, but i've seen them only 1 month later in May

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Understandable with KL charging USD1565!

QR prices went up after the first month but still among the cheapest options here

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Previously not, but thanks to you, I have been updated.   

Cheers, Burundi have the southernmost source of the Nile too...

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
The scenery reminds me of Lake Toba in North Sumatra!

When have you been there? Any report on it?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
I strongly hope that it will never happen again. Never!

... Anywhere on Earth

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Bonjour Nina, c’est un plaisir! She’s adorable!

hum, not always lol  .

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Why does the company make such statement if the project is set up to accomplish further growth of Rwanda of neighboring countries?

My apologies for mistaken you! I meant that "with these renovations the Chinese company implies there won't be a new airport before a long time" hope it is clear now  
The lack of funds slows down local politics' ambitions...

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Cool! But, where’s your photo?   

Very good question! he merely wanted to show off after!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Do I notice pastel de nata?

LOL, (did not know what was it) nope it's a quiche lorraine

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
By the way, good on you for not taking Heineken! 

Heineken brews Primus and Mützig here, so not a big difference!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Boiled sweet and refreshing towel! Qatar is among the few airlines in the world to offer preflight service in Economy.

Which other(s) airlines set the standards at this level?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
A packet of cake? Come on! Why did QR not serve any of its delicious hot wraps?

Yes why?  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
32 inch of better padded seat. Not bad!

True! here you can stretch your feet beneath the seat, what is impossible on the bulkhead ones.

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Jinja. Main attraction, …err… could it be the Source of The Nile?

Well done, you are exemplary Suryo! Did you knew it?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Was the menu not displayed on the screen? I remember it from my last time flying QR.

more likely, i did not explore the IFE that much, instead i read a magazine

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Gross! QR should have to seriously consider another cleaning company.

Are you kidding? there is barely one company on each platform LOL!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Thank you for showing us around. I was wondering where my brother-in-law and his wife ended up after severe delay they experienced.

What happened? Do you know if it was a former QR lounge? Because many items were branded with the Oryx logo

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Hopefully, such silly encounter will become history once The NDIA is opened.

Except for the second zone flights maybe, boarding by bus!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Léonard, I feel like… I was there with you! The stay with your family, the visit to breathtaking sights with yet sometime confronting history, the meeting with local heroes, the flights, the layover, to Doha, the layover, what a fascinating journey.   
Quoting akhmad (Reply 13):
Wishing you and your family all the bests.

Suryo mille fois Merci, murakoze cyane

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: akhmad
Posted 2012-10-25 09:39:45 and read 9460 times.

Bonsoir Léonard,

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
humm, long story short you are cool   

Aww, thank you!   


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
but i've seen them only 1 month later in May

It must have been a great reunion, then!  


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
Burundi have the southernmost source of the Nile too...

Good to know that. Merci  


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
When have you been there? Any report on it?

I have never been there unfortunately.  


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
... Anywhere on Earth

  


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
hum, not always lol   

Hehe, well, as long as she is happy.   


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
I meant that "with these renovations the Chinese company implies there won't be a new airport before a long time" hope it is clear now   

Yes, thanks for the clarification.   


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
The lack of funds slows down local politics' ambitions...

That’s a shame.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
Very good question! he merely wanted to show off after!

That’s fair. 


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
LOL, (did not know what was it)

Portugese egg tart pastry.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
nope it's a quiche lorraine

Not bad either.   


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
Which other(s) airlines set the standards at this level?

My home country carrier Garuda Indonesia for instance.

Boiled sweets are offered as preflight service on domestic flight. You can see it here: Garuda Experience From Semarang To Denpasar (by akhmad Jul 14 2012 in Trip Reports)

While pre-packed juices are offered on international flights. My best friend Gavin (RvXKaz) has published great video reports here and here



Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
Yes why?  

QR could consider Ugandans Mugati naamaggi for instance.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
True! here you can stretch your feet beneath the seat, what is impossible on the bulkhead ones.

A drawback of bulkhead seats apart from not being able to stow your carry-on within your arm reach under the seat

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
Well done, you are exemplary Suryo!

Thank you.  


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
Did you knew it?

Only from travel book.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
Are you kidding? there is barely one company on each platform LOL!

Oops! 


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
What happened?

A four hour delay as their airplane went tech in PER, resulting in a missed onward connection to LHR and an extended layover up to three hours in DOH.   


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
Do you know if it was a former QR lounge? Because many items were branded with the Oryx logo

Yes.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
Except for the second zone flights maybe, boarding by bus!

In that case, I hope for a change of attitude. Especially to us, A.netters!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
Suryo mille fois Merci, murakoze cyane
De rien. TooAySay.


Suryo  

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-10-25 22:35:51 and read 9229 times.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
thanks a lot Udo, much appreciated

You're welcome!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
For you which one is the most comfortable between SA, VS and LH

You still remember my A346s? Impressive. My favorite one was the SAA bird due to seating comfort (legroom) and the tail camera views. LH comes last due to cramped seating.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 14):
Was it a morning departure?

Yes, plus an afternoon departure. I guess you only get them on night flights.


PH

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: sjacob
Posted 2012-10-26 12:32:54 and read 8986 times.

Lovely...wonderful...Weebale nnyo musajja...Weebalire ddala...another amazing trip all the way from Africa...
All the pictures of Africa, EBB and Uganda in general bring back memories, great memories of the place I call HOME...

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
One can notice that the starter – some green beans – and the dessert – sort of bread and butter pudding with custard – were exactly the same that Sjacob was served in his trip report:

I think I had the chicken. I never eaf fish because usually it is sea fish and I dont like sea fish that much.
About the tray, that was un-excusable and the air hostess should have cleaned it. The crew acted irresponsible by not wiping off the dirt. On our flight, we had mainly Japanese crew and trust the Japanese for being so hardworking and well mannered, am sure they would have acted appropriately.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
No menu given, fish for main, Sjacob did you like the dessert?

Am not 100% sure, but I remember finishing all I had in my "container"...and I remember something sweet for desert...it was Ok.  
Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
A "silly" dude yelled at me after this low quality photo

Now, the tricks used were; pretending that I didnt hear what he was saying to me, and I continued clicking until he came and tapped my shoulder and I realized he was probably of Indian origin or somewhere close by, so I also yelled back at him and asked him "Where is that written?". Now when talking to people who are non English speakers, always speak so fast and intimidate them...they will kinda recoil and feel a bit "shy" and then they will speak to you gently next time, and remind them that you are the customer... I have used that trick in DOH and NBO....but make sure you dont use it on a policeman...just the ground staff. And also people from non English speaking countries dont usually understand the accent if you speak so fast. 

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-10-26 13:04:32 and read 8958 times.

Thanks Suryo for coming back

Quoting akhmad (Reply 15):
Aww, thank you!

You are very welcome  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 15):
I have never been there unfortunately.

Maybe one day...

Quoting akhmad (Reply 15):
Portugese egg tart pastry.

Damn that's so similar!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 15):
My home country carrier Garuda Indonesia for instance.
Boiled sweets are offered as preflight service on domestic flight. You can see it here: Garuda Experience From Semarang To Denpasar (by akhmad Jul 14 2012 in Trip Reports)
While pre-packed juices are offered on international flights. My best friend Gavin (RvXKaz) has published great video reports here and here

Thank you for the link. Sure i will have a close look on both asap!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 15):
A drawback of bulkhead seats apart from not being able to stow your carry-on within your arm reach under the seat

YupI forgot this one

Quoting akhmad (Reply 15):
QR could consider Ugandans Mugati naamaggi for instance.

If Akbar Al Baker could take note on this right now...  Smile .

Quoting akhmad (Reply 15):
Only from travel book.

Still, well done to spot that dot, Uganda has a great variety of natural attractions! I always like there

Quoting akhmad (Reply 15):
A four hour delay as their airplane went tech in PER, resulting in a missed onward connection to LHR and an extended layover up to three hours in DOH.   

Oh no, luckily QR offers frequent departure to LHR, Were they accommodated there free of charge at least?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 15):
Yes.

Ok, dedicated to J pax and Elites members or only the latter (i just want to get a comparison point with other lounges in that region)?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 15):
In that case, I hope for a change of attitude. Especially to us, A.netters!

   .


Good evening PlaneHunter,

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 16):
my A346s? Impressive.

Correct, (all) your TRs were impressive. An kind of wikipedia of A.net : - ).

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 16):
My favorite one was the SAA bird due to seating comfort (legroom) and the tail camera views.

An African airline better than Europeans? Awesome, it is so rare !

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 16):
Yes, plus an afternoon departure. I guess you only get them on night flights.

Understandable, Would you rather prefer a night transit (and the comfort kit) or one during the day?

[Edited 2012-10-26 13:09:29]

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: sjacob
Posted 2012-10-26 13:33:07 and read 8929 times.

By the way, I forgot to point out, but Looking at the picture of KQ B777 at LHR for me was so lovely...I hope KQ continues to grow BIGGER and BIGGER.
By the way, the loads out of EBB on QR seem healthy, I wonder how EK is doing now that they deploy the A33o entirely to EBB without the support of ADD as it used to be the case before...
By the way, I have a "soft spot" for EK and I will try to fly them next time.

And by the way seeing the Emirates B747 Sky Cargo at EBB has shocked me, I didnt know EBB is capable of receiving B747...  airplane 

[Edited 2012-10-26 13:37:12]

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-10-26 13:47:58 and read 8916 times.

Tukusanyukidde Ssebo Jacob

Quoting sjacob (Reply 17):
Lovely...wonderful...Weebale nnyo musajja...Weebalire ddala...another amazing trip all the way from Africa...

ndi musanyufu, Weebale Nnyo    .

Quoting sjacob (Reply 17):
All the pictures of Africa, EBB and Uganda in general bring back memories, great memories of the place I call HOME...

For how long do you have to stay away from Home?

Quoting sjacob (Reply 17):
I never eaf fish because usually it is sea fish and I dont like sea fish that much.

Fair enough, not to many suppliers in Uganda, same as Rwanda  .

Do you remember the meal served on the morning sector to ZRH?

Quoting sjacob (Reply 17):
About the tray, that was un-excusable and the air hostess should have cleaned it. The crew acted irresponsible by not wiping off the dirt.

Cannot agree more, they were not extremely busy too!

Quoting sjacob (Reply 17):
On our flight, we had mainly Japanese crew and trust the Japanese for being so hardworking and well mannered, am sure they would have acted appropriately.

Your were lucky, honestly, i wish this crew could be more comprehensive

Quoting sjacob (Reply 17):
but I remember finishing all I had in my "container"...and I remember something sweet for desert...it was Ok.  

Yup, nothing overwhelming!

Quoting sjacob (Reply 17):
Now, the tricks used were; pretending that I didnt hear what he was saying to me, and I continued clicking until he came and tapped my shoulder and I realized he was probably of Indian origin or somewhere close by, so I also yelled back at him and asked him "Where is that written?". Now when talking to people who are non English speakers, always speak so fast and intimidate them...they will kinda recoil and feel a bit "shy" and then they will speak to you gently next time, and remind them that you are the customer

thanks for the hint! might be useful for next time

Quoting sjacob (Reply 17):
NBO....but make sure you dont use it on a policeman

that's an understatement... lol ... Strange at NBO, ground staff, policemen, crew are generally open mind. never have nay issue whatsoever!


My " Brother ",
your comment is highly appreciated, now i wish you to enjoy the most of Germany and to discover as much as you can.
I do wish (and hope) to read any TR from you, any time.   .


Tunaalabagana Jacob

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: akhmad
Posted 2012-10-26 14:01:12 and read 8901 times.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 18):
Thanks Suryo for coming back

My pleasure, Léonard.  


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 18):
Damn that's so similar!

The Portugese one is a sweet version, though.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 18):
Thank you for the link. Sure i will have a close look on both asap!

I hope you will enjoy them.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 18):
If Akbar Al Baker could take note on this right now...    .

If he would take note, I'd like to call out 'Qatar to Amsterdam! Please!'   


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 18):
Still, well done to spot that dot, Uganda has a great variety of natural attractions!

Thank you.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 18):
Were they accommodated there free of charge at least?

Yes, at the end, after several urgent requests.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 18):
Ok, dedicated to J pax and Elites members or only the latter (i just want to get a comparison point with other lounges in that region)?

Oryx Lounge is dedicated to Qatar Elite members traveling in Economy. The Premium Terminal is only accessible for passengers traveling in Business or First regardless the membership status.

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-10-26 14:06:54 and read 8900 times.

Ki kati

Quoting sjacob (Reply 19):
the picture of KQ B777 at LHR for me was so lovely...I hope KQ continues to grow BIGGER and BIGGER.

Fews month ago they released a massive expansion plan, like covering all the African capitals by 2016 or the like. The main issue for KQ was their outdated hub, i'm impatient to set foot asap out there,

Quoting sjacob (Reply 19):
By the way, the loads out of EBB on QR seem healthy,

On our both flights the were doing pretty well ( not sure about the mix but lot of tourist at least). Don't forget that Gulf Air tried to resume the route in the same time as QR, but they completely failed...

Quoting sjacob (Reply 19):
By the way, I have a "soft spot" for EK and I will try to fly them next time.

Ahh, you too  Wink . We need to find the opportunity together!

Quoting sjacob (Reply 19):
I wonder how EK is doing now that they deploy the A33o entirely to EBB without the support of ADD as it used to be the case before...

The indian and chinese communities play a major part, what do you think!

Quoting sjacob (Reply 19):
I didnt know EBB is capable of receiving B747...   

i've seen once a B747*** at Kigali, so i've never doubted about it here, NBO runway has 450 meter more than its counterpart at EBB.


Sula bulungi


*** ( it was a 747 SP, so maybe irrelevant   )

[Edited 2012-10-26 14:10:21]

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-10-26 14:21:01 and read 8882 times.

Good evening Suryo,

Quoting akhmad (Reply 21):
The Portugese one is a sweet version, though.

Ok, it looks like it worths a try at least

Quoting akhmad (Reply 21):
If he would take note, I'd like to call out 'Qatar to Amsterdam! Please!'   

      .
How would you rank QR in Oneworld ? Does Cathay still remain the best for you?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 21):
I hope you will enjoy them.

I have no doubt about that ...  
Quoting akhmad (Reply 21):
Yes, at the end, after several urgent requests.

Really????   . With KLM, you don't even need to ask, their customer care and ground staff deal with those issues in not time...

Quoting akhmad (Reply 21):
Oryx Lounge is dedicated to Qatar Elite members traveling in Economy. The Premium Terminal is only accessible for passengers traveling in Business or First regardless the membership status.


That's exactly what i wanted to know, now what about Dubai cheers? is it similar J & C are separate to FF status?

Again many thanks for enlightening me
See you later

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: akhmad
Posted 2012-10-26 14:42:50 and read 8851 times.

Bonsoir Léonard,

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 23):
Ok, it looks like it worths a try at least

Definitely! It is widely confectioned in African countries as well like Angola, Mozambique, São Tome and Principe and Guinea-Bissau.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 23):
How would you rank QR in Oneworld ? Does Cathay still remain the best for you?

QR and Cathay are equally good. But, Cathay is slightly better as it flies to AMS.   


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 23):
I have no doubt about that ...  

I am happy to hear that.  


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 23):
Really????    . With KLM, you don't even need to ask, their customer care and ground staff deal with those issues in not time...

That's good to hear about KLM. In case of my in-laws, hopefully, it's just a one off with QR.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 23):
now what about Dubai cheers? is it similar J & C are separate to FF status?

That was not the case when we visited Dubai last yea February.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 23):
Again many thanks for enlightening me

You are welcome.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 23):
See you later

... aligator!  (Sorry, I cannot help it!)

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-10-30 10:23:17 and read 8317 times.

hi again Suryo

Quoting akhmad (Reply 24):
Definitely! It is widely confectioned in African countries as well like Angola, Mozambique, São Tome and Principe and Guinea-Bissau.

In this case it might be called with a different name

Quoting akhmad (Reply 24):
But, Cathay is slightly better as it flies to AMS.   

ahah, be patient one day they will honour your city, hopefully you will be part of the inaugural...

Quoting akhmad (Reply 24):
In case of my in-laws, hopefully, it's just a one off with QR.

yup, perfection is hard to reach all time,

Quoting akhmad (Reply 24):
That was not the case when we visited Dubai last yea February.

Was it the Marhaba lounge? Does EK use terminal l 1, 2 or 3?

Quoting akhmad (Reply 24):
aligator!  (Sorry, I cannot help it!)

In a while crocodile... 

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: sjacob
Posted 2012-10-31 07:06:59 and read 8161 times.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 22):
Fews month ago they released a massive expansion plan, like covering all the African capitals by 2016 or the like. The main issue for KQ was their outdated hub, i'm impatient to set foot asap out there,

Quite an ambitious plan, but to some extent it is achievable as African Middle Class grows more and more every year. However they are too expensive...they need to revise their prices...And yes, me too I dont like NBO, it seems crowded, but they are expanding it, hope it will be much better.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 20):
For how long do you have to stay away from Home?

1 year, so far 4 months down...

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 20):
Do you remember the meal served on the morning sector to ZRH?

It was basically breakfast...no dinner...just breakfast.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 20):
My " Brother ",
your comment is highly appreciated, now i wish you to enjoy the most of Germany and to discover as much as you can.

Thanks brother, hope to see you soonest.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 22):
Don't forget that Gulf Air tried to resume the route in the same time as QR

In my opinion, GF didn't understand the Ugandan market. Truthfully, since they don't fly to the most popular destinations in Asia for Africans such as CAN, PEK and specifically Chinese cities, they couldnt survive so long since most Ugandans fly to China and may be BKK for business.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 22):
Ahh, you too   . We need to find the opportunity together!

Surely, one day...

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 22):
The indian and chinese communities play a major part, what do you think!

Yes, the biggest percentage of people flying out of EBB head to Asia...especially China and India so an airline that doesn't cover these routes cant survive in the Ugandan market.

By the way, I forgot to mention but by the time the QR flight arrives to DOH from EBB, DOH is like a cattle craal...Extremely crowded and you can mistake it for an airport in India like DEL or Chennai
Ciao

[Edited 2012-10-31 07:11:44]

[Edited 2012-10-31 07:50:11]

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: PlaneHunter
Posted 2012-10-31 22:05:31 and read 7980 times.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 18):
Correct, (all) your TRs were impressive. An kind of wikipedia of A.net : - ).

Many thanks, Léo!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 18):
An African airline better than Europeans? Awesome, it is so rare !

Yes indeed. SAA is one of my favorite carriers.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 18):
Would you rather prefer a night transit (and the comfort kit) or one during the day?

I don't like transfers in the middle of the night, so I'd opt for a day flight without amenity kit.


PH

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: akhmad
Posted 2012-11-01 12:16:59 and read 7813 times.

Bonsoir Léonard,

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 25):
In this case it might be called with a different name

How about Pastéis de Belém?

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 25):
ahah, be patient one day they will honour your city,

I am still waiting for that day to come.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 25):
hopefully you will be part of the inaugural...

That would be awesome!

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 25):
yup, perfection is hard to reach all time,

I just put it that way, then.   


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 25):
Was it the Marhaba lounge?

No, Emirates Business Lounge at Terminal 3.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 25):
Does EK use terminal l 1, 2 or 3?

Terminal 3.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 25):
In a while crocodile...   

 



Suryo  

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-11-04 11:05:07 and read 7279 times.

Jacob,

Quoting sjacob (Reply 26):
Quite an ambitious plan, but to some extent it is achievable as African Middle Class grows more and more every year.

   .

Quoting sjacob (Reply 26):
However they are too expensive...they need to revise their prices...

Did you hear about Jambo Jet, the Kenya Airways low cost subsidiary?
They will operate on the East African routes, including Entebbe and also Kenya domestic market

Quoting sjacob (Reply 26):
I dont like NBO, it seems crowded, but they are expanding it, hope it will be much better.

As European traveller, NBO is charmless in many ways, however as African regular visitor too i truly like this hub, especially the nice views at the 7th floor for spotting, the laid back atmosphear, the smiling staff...

Quoting sjacob (Reply 26):
1 year, so far 4 months down...

Well You should extend it you you can!

Quoting sjacob (Reply 26):
It was basically breakfast...no dinner...just breakfast.

Only one service? the flying time differs by half an hour only

Quoting sjacob (Reply 26):
Thanks brother, hope to see you soonest.

Maybe for an Airliners.net meeting in Africa...  .

Quoting sjacob (Reply 26):
In my opinion, GF didn't understand the Ugandan market. Truthfully, since they don't fly to the most popular destinations in Asia for Africans such as CAN, PEK and specifically Chinese cities, they couldnt survive so long since most Ugandans fly to China and may be BKK for business.
Quoting sjacob (Reply 26):
Yes, the biggest percentage of people flying out of EBB head to Asia...especially China and India so an airline that doesn't cover these routes cant survive in the Ugandan market.

Great in-depth analysis!
The discovery of oil besides its tourism potential suddenly makes Uganda attractive for global airlines. I wonder which airlines will benefit the most from these factors? the european giants (KLM, BA, SN), or the Gulf carriers along with TK?
What is the place for your airline Air Uganda? I think it has a huge potential in the regional market and a safe bet for the future!

Quoting sjacob (Reply 26):
by the time the QR flight arrives to DOH from EBB, DOH is like a cattle craal...Extremely crowded and you can mistake it for an airport in India like DEL or Chennai

Really?    . Next time maybe it will be better to board QR539 that hopefully arrives outside the rush hour there.


PlaneHunter,

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 27):
Yes indeed. SAA is one of my favorite carriers.

Still need to try it, thanks for the recommendation  .

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 27):
I don't like transfers in the middle of the night, so I'd opt for a day flight without amenity kit.

I can only concur with you with that point, at least you have many flight options to MUC.


Suryo,

Quoting akhmad (Reply 28):
I just put it that way, then.   

Though, I've read somewhere that QR is overrated, especially with Skytrax... so what to believe?    .

Quoting akhmad (Reply 28):
No, Emirates Business Lounge at Terminal 3.

Thank you for that (bad) news lol, it must have been a great lounge then for you...

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: akhmad
Posted 2012-11-04 13:30:35 and read 7207 times.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 29):
so what to believe?    .

Trip reports like yours, I would say.   


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 29):
Thank you for that (bad) news lol,

Oops!  


Quoting eastafspot (Reply 29):
it must have been a great lounge then for you...

Our lounge visit was really enjoyable. May I present you my reports about it:

Incredible India: Dubai To Delhi And Beyond (by akhmad Apr 1 2011 in Trip Reports)
Dubai-Amsterdam: A Tribute To Friendship (by akhmad Jun 3 2011 in Trip Reports)

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: deltamartin
Posted 2012-11-10 10:34:09 and read 7106 times.

Hello East African Spotter!

Nice to read another take on QR from you, I recently flew them myself to and from HKG.
I too was rather pleased with them, but not overly impressed.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
The 2-4-2 lay out is nice, especially for the window seat, the IFE box decreases considerably the foot-room.

Looks like the A330 cabins, but I think the IFE boxes were even bigger on the A330's!

Martin

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: sultanils
Posted 2012-11-12 05:21:50 and read 7105 times.

Hi Léonard,

Wow, another excellent narrative of yours. A nice couple of light on QR and good to see you getting on the A346, my all time favourite Airbus! It looked like the cabins on your flights gradually filled up: practically empty on the first leg and well filled on the others. You have a good eye for layout and your pics of the local Africa continue to fascinate me. And I'm sorry but I cannot answer your question about the pictured town near Lake Turkana 

Sultanils

Topic: RE: Enduring The QR Byway To London, Via EBB & DOH
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-11-13 09:34:45 and read 7106 times.

Suryo

Quoting akhmad (Reply 30):
Trip reports like yours, I would say.   

Cheers!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 30):
Oops!  

Don't worry, EK F&J lounge must be much better, but the other one should be nice too considering a free access!

Quoting akhmad (Reply 30):
Our lounge visit was really enjoyable. May I present you my reports about it:
Incredible India: Dubai To Delhi And Beyond (by akhmad Apr 1 2011 in Trip Reports)
Dubai-Amsterdam: A Tribute To Friendship (by akhmad Jun 3 2011 in Trip Reports)

Will have a read asap!



Good evening Martin,

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 31):
Nice to read another take on QR from you,

Thank you for your kind comment

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 31):
I recently flew them myself to and from HKG.

Awesome report, i will have a look again

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 31):
I too was rather pleased with them, but not overly impressed.

You've got the point    . Great but not awesome!

Quoting deltamartin (Reply 31):
but I think the IFE boxes were even bigger on the A330's!

LOL, as likely as not!



Hello Nils

Quoting sultanils (Reply 32):
Wow, another excellent narrative of yours.

Glad you've enjoyed, those nice words mean a lot for me! thank you

Quoting sultanils (Reply 32):
A nice couple of light on QR and good to see you getting on the A346, my all time favourite Airbus!

Really, you should log one asap, a rare bird indeed! Sadly i was to tired to get good pictures of it,

Quoting sultanils (Reply 32):
It looked like the cabins on your flights gradually filled up: practically empty on the first leg and well filled on the others.

Guess what it was much better when it was empty   ! Entebbe attracts both business and tourism travellers !

Quoting sultanils (Reply 32):
And I'm sorry but I cannot answer your question about the pictured town near Lake Turkana 

At least you've tried your best to find out! well done
You got the answer in the Kenya airways flight!

Thank you folks, that's really nice from you


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