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Topic: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: SR 103
Posted 2004-01-13 05:22:27 and read 20965 times.

Emirates 856
Kuwait – Dubai
Airbus A330-243 (A6-EKU)
Seat: 7A
Scheduled Departure Time: 9:40
Schedules Arrival Time: 12:10
Actual Departure Time: 9:40
Actual Arrival Time: 11:55

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Check In: We got to the airport around 7:45. There was only one counter for First and Business Class passengers which already had a long line. We lined up and waited for close to 15 minutes to get to the front. Once we got to the front, our boarding passes were printed for both legs and the bags tagged all the way through. We were issued invitations to both the lounges in Kuwait and Dubai. Once that was done, we headed over to passport control, which was quick, and we were near the lounge in no time.

The Kuwait Airways Oasis Business Class Lounge is set up as a large tent. We entered the lounge and the agent took our invitation and wrote our seat numbers on them. We proceeded into the small lounge and there were hardly any free seats. We decided to grab a bunch of seats in the corner, but just as we did, a group of seats became available so we headed on over to those. As they did not have any apple juice, I ordered some mango juice, which was promptly delivered to my seat a minute later by the waiter. Eventually I went over to use one of the two computers available in the lounge. Soon it was time to head on over to the gate. We grabbed our stuff and headed on over to the Gate. Proceeded through another round of security and were in the gate in no time.

Boarding: Boarding was announced around 9:15 and everybody swarmed towards the jetway. There was no call to board by rows, nor was there a separate jetway for First and Business Class passengers. As usual, there were people pushing and shoving trying to get in front of the line, all I could do was push back and maybe try to trip them if they insisted on cutting me in line. The boarding passes were put through the machine with the stub coming out the other end. We collected our stub and we boarded through door 2L. We were greeted at the door not with a smile, but a “boarding pass?” I showed the boarding pass and walked to my seat. I put my bag in the overhead bin and sat down.

Emirates Business Class on this aircraft is in a 2-3-2 configuration, making it very cramped. The seat was obviously narrow, but to top it off, the world-class airline had a miserable 45-inch seat pitch. Come on, this is not the standard for an airline like Emirates. I never complained before, but now after flying so many airlines with 55 and 60-inch seat pit, this is extremely small, still much better than the economy class seats that I had been in back in August on the same route. The one very positive aspect of this seat was the PTV. It was large and was in the seat in front. I immediately tuned into the forward nose camera and got an excellent view of the Terminal and tug. Soon a flight attendant came by and offered me a drink from a tray containing some orange juice and non alcoholic sparkling wine. I opted for the orange juice, which was very watered down.

Soon the door was closed and they came around with menu’s handing them to each person with no expression on their face. I could see the Indian flight attendant on the other aisle doing this with a smile and “Hello sir/madam, would you like a menu?” Our Australian flight attendant just thrust them in front of our face. The safety video was shown as we taxied to wards the runway. We momentarily held for a delayed Air India A310 from Bombay and headed on out after that. The nose camera provided some excellent views of the taxiway and runway. Soon we lined up and shot down the runway for a very fast and short take off.

The Flight: As we lifted off the nose camera provided some excellent views of city and the coast. We continued to climb and the seatbelt sign went off. The flight attendants came around with some hot towels. A few minutes later they came around with the drink cart and I requested an apple juice. It was handed to me and I said, “thank you.”
She looked at me for a second and forced a smile back at me with a mumbled “you’re welcome.” Soon they came around with table linens and it was gently placed on my tray table with a smile from the African flight attendant serving us. The menu today was as follows:

Appetizer
Fresh Fruit Appetizer

Main Courses
Vegetable Frittata
Frittata of sliced potatoes, mixed peppers and zucchini, accompanied with chicken sausage, grilled tomato with herbs and lyonnaise potatoes
Pancakes with Scrambled Eggs
Pancake filled with scrambled eggs accompanied with lamb noisettes, sautéed mushrooms and duchess potatoes

Bread
Bread Basket
Selection of bread and breakfast pastries served with butter, jam and marmalade

Beverages
Tea: Ceylon, Green Tea, Earl Grey and Camomile
Coffee: Freshly brewed or decaffeinated


The flight attendant came around with the cart and started serving from the back. Once she got to us she asked which one I wanted, I opted for the eggs. A glass of water was placed on the tray and it was handed to me with a semi smile and I was a little surprised that she did not offer another drink with the meal. Once she was done handing the tray to my mom, she offered a basket containing a croissant and a Danish. I opted for the Danish as you can see in the picture at the bottom. The fruits were fresh and tasted great, as did the Danish. As far as the main dish goes, it was as every bit pleasing. The lamb was tender and the pancakes were excellent, only the eggs were a bit tasteless but that was solved with some pepper. During the entire meal service, I was watching an episode of Friends followed by an episode of ER. Can I ask what is with the “Christmas in Tulsa” Friends episode? KLM had the exact same one last week; it does become a bit boring to see it over and over again.

The trays were collected and we began our decent into Dubai with the forward nose camera again providing some excellent views. You could clearly see the mansions down there and just how vastly populated the U.A.E. is.

Arrival & Transit: We touched down at 11:50 and I managed to catch a glimpse of the A340-500 sitting at the maintenance facility. Hopefully I will be able to try this magnificent beast out on my own someday. We quickly taxied to the terminal and docked at Gate 11. We disembarked through door 1L and the First Class flight attendants were happily smiling and saying “bye.” We got out ran through the connection center and security that we must do while changing planes in Dubai and were at the shopping center in no time.

The airport was not very busy at all at this point in time. There were a few Emirates planes around. In addition there were two PIA A300’s and a delayed Air India A310 from Delhi. Otherwise the airport was pretty much dead. My parents did some shopping but I decided to save myself for Amsterdam next weekend. I don’t like lugging things halfway around the world when I can easily find them halfway around the world!

Emirates 502
Dubai – Mumbai (Bombay)
Boeing 777-21H/ER (A6-EMJ)
Seat: 6A
Scheduled Departure Time: 13:30
Schedules Arrival Time: 17:45
Actual Departure Time: 13:45
Actual Arrival Time: 17:30

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Boarding: They were announcing the final call for this flight and we decided at that point enough shopping. Got to the podium, they checked the passports and sent the boarding pass through the machine. I was pleased to see that our aircraft had been upgraded to a 777-200. Something different from the abundance of A330’s I flew on this trip. We stood near the door, as we knew that boarding would not commence by row numbers, but it would be a free for all once again. Soon an agent came by to let some wheel chair passengers through, at exactly that moment, the entire gate area stood up and rushed towards the door. They were all pushing and shoving trying to get to the front by acting like a bunch of gorillas. Someone really needs to tell them that the plane is not going anywhere! Why do they believe that all the shoving and pushing is going to let them through? Do they really need to whack poor children in the head with their oversized bags with everything in it but the kitchen sink? These were some of the most ill mannered bunch of passengers anywhere and a sharp contrast to the passengers I experienced on KLM out of Delhi seven days later.

Soon the doors were opened and the sea of humanity rushed towards them. There was this guy with a briefcase trying to shove me to the side so he could get in front of me, I just gave him one good whack in the leg with my handbag and he knew I meant business. The three of us finally got on the jetway and quickly took a left turn towards the jetway that was for First and Business Class passengers only. Peace and tranquility at last. The Indian lead purser welcomed us onboard. We sat down in the bulkhead seat in the front part of the 777. There were two rows of seats in a 2-3-2 configuration. The seat was wider than the A330 but the drawback was there was no PTV in the seat in front so there was no way of watching the forward camera during take off and landing. The legroom once again was no more than 45 inches. I could easily rest my leg on the bulkhead, something I could not do on my recent NW, KL or CO’s business class flights.

Soon drinks came around and I selected a glass of water. The plane eventually started to fill up and an Asian flight attendant came by offering us menus and a wine lists. A few minutes later she came by again with some hot towels. About five minutes later a British flight attendant came around with another set of hot towels. When we mentioned that we had already got some, she said “Oh!” and walked away leaving them on our armrest for the rest of the flight. Good thing she left them cause when I pulled my PTV out, it had dried pieces of something on it, like someone had spit back their food on it. So I ended up trying to clean it up myself. I shall never complain about the finger printed PTV’s we get on the KLM 767’s ever again. This was disgusting!

The menus were handed out along with a wine list by our Asian flight attendant, who did not offer me a wine list. It was all right I guess, I am 21 but I did not want to drink anything so it worked out in my favor; but it would have been nice to be offered one. The pilot came on and stated that we would have to offload some bags as a few passengers had “somehow managed to loose themselves between the gate and the aircraft.” The British flight attendant came around to take our lunch orders; I opted for the chicken. The safety video was screened and then we commenced pushback a short while later. Just then I noticed how filthy the aircraft windows were; this plane needed a wash badly. The crew went to sit down and I pulled my PTV out so I could see the forward nose camera. Low and behold, the camera lens had a bunch of spots on it obstructing the view. This is not how I would expect Emirates to maintain their 777’s. Now that the A340’s are in, is it time to ignore the 777’s?

The Flight: We eventually lined up and took off into a misty Dubai sky. Soon the entertainment was started and I opted for “Pirates of the Caribbean.” I just noticed that the PTV was relatively small and worse yet, this movie was in wide screen format, thus it was even smaller. It was a real strain watching it. Here is the list of what was available on today’s flight.

Set 2

Channel 1: Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of The Black Pearl
Channel 2: The Legend of Johnny Lingo
Channel 3: Seabiscuit
Channel 4: Matchstick Men
Channel 5: Open Range
Channel 6: The Medallion
Channel 7: Suspicion (1941)
Channel 8: Hindi - Kuch Na Kaho
Channel 9: Arabic - Tayeh Fi America
Channel 10: Arabic TV
Channel 11: Sports
Channel 12: Comedy
Channel 13: Drama
Channel 14: Quest
Channel 15: A Bug’s Life
Channel 16: Airshow
Channel 17: Flying Camera

Soon the bowl of mixed nuts came out with a drink of our choice. I opted for a coke, which the British flight attendant poured into a glass. My dad opted for beer and he was a little surprised to get “Bintang,” but he enjoyed it, as he had not had Indonesian beer in quite some time. 15 minutes later the cart rolled down the aisle to collect the bowl of nuts and place the linen down. The menu for today was listed as the following:

Appetizers
Grilled Pesto Chicken
Grilled pesto chicken with plum compote, garnished with green pepper corn, served with saffron sauce
Moti Chana Chat
Chick peas cooked with spices, served with kastchumber salad, lemon and tomato wedge

Main Courses
Mutton Nilgiri
Marinated pieces of mutton cooked in green masala and creamy cashew nut paste, offered with vegetable jalfrazi and tomato rice
Chicken Manchurian
Chinese style grilled chicken with Manchurian sauce, served with yellow squash, sugar snap peas and egg noodles
Bhindi Masala
Okra cooked in spicy tomato sauce, accompanied with vegtable makhanwala and steamed rice

Dessert
Custard Fruit

Cheese
Selection of Cheese
Cheddar and Camembert served with crackers and grapes

Fruits
Selection of Seasonal Fruits

Beverages & Chocolates
Tea: Ceylon, Green Tea, Earl Grey, Camomile
Coffer: freshly brewed or decaffeinated
Espresso or Cappuccino coffee will be available at any time during the flight, except Airbus A310 aircraft

Chocolates

Emirates Business Class Wine List

Champagne
Fleur De Champagne, Brut NV

White Wine
Sancerre Blanc, 2002
Cahrdonnay, Deen Vat 7, 2002


Red Wine
Medoc, “Collection Privee,” 1998
Cabernet Sauvignoon, 2002


Port
Chairman’s Port, L.B.V., 1997

The British flight attendant came around about five minutes after the linens were placed and asked which appetizer I would like? I opted for the chicken. She then asked my dad for his choice and once she had placed his tray down she offered a breadbasket containing three types of bread and naan. I opted for the garlic bread as can be seen in the pictures. She offered us both a choice of wine, which only my dad accepted, but that was it; she never offered me anything else to drink. I had to be content with the glass of water that had been placed in my tray. The chicken was a little dry and ice cold to top it off. The sauce was a big help in adding flavor to it. Once that was done the flight attendant came around and collected the appetizer plates. A second round of bread was offered but I declined, as I was getting a bit full from so much food in such a short period of time. The chicken dish was placed on my tray a short while later. As you can see from the picture, it contained two large chunks of chicken on the left with noodles in the middle and vegetables on the right side. The chicken contained a lot of fat but was nice and meaty. The sauce with it was more along the lines of something I would get at a Chinese fast food place in the United States. Fine and dandy but I do not expect Emirates business class to be serving something along the lines of fast food. The noodles were decent but as some parts had been dried too much in the oven, it became a bit too crunchy. How come so many airlines now seem to keep their rice and noodles moist yet Emirates missed it this time round? I then started on the fruits, which were moist and fresh. Then on to the fruit custard for desert, the saving grace of this meal! It was exceptional, really well prepared and tasted excellent, just wish there had been more of it; as it was finished within four teaspoons.

The trays were collected and I continued to watch the movie. It was becoming a strain on the eyes and was getting unbearable. I decided to switch to the forward camera for some relief. The flight was nearing its end and decent started. But wait a minute, they had not handed out the arrival forms yet, this was not good. Immediately someone reminded them and the Asian flight attendant came around with the forms giving one to each of us. As we were filling them out, my dad realized one thing; these were the forms for “foreigners visiting India.” She had handed these forms out to the entire section full of 14 Indian nationals. At that moment the male Indian lead purser was opening the curtains that were dividing First and Business. My dad asked if there were separate forms for Indian nationals? “Of course there is sir. I shall get them for you.” Ok, now with five minutes left, this is not exactly the ideal time to be filling out forms is it? At that moment he decided to hand out some pens and I grabbed one so I could fill mine out instead of waiting for my dad to finish with my pen. I completed the form and put my tray table away at the exact moment full flaps were lowered. The gear was lowered a few seconds later and it was very clear to any regular traveler to Mumbai that he was coming in way to fast.

Arrival: We came in fast hitting the concrete extremely hard with almost instant full reverse thrusts. The brakes were slammed on hard with a very evident screeching. Anything that was not buckled in would have gone flying through the cabin the way this landing was carried out. We exited the runway at about 40 miles an hour with the reverse thrusts still engaged.

We taxied past the Indian Airlines domestic terminal first followed by the Jet Airways and Air Sahara. We eventually docked next to a Gulf Traveler 767-300 in the old colors. It was none other than A40-GV, the exact plane I had flown in December 1998 from Frankfurt to Bahrain; it looked vastly different now. We took the long trek to the non-functioning escalator down towards immigration only to find that the Gulf Traveler had just got in moments before us. At least Mumbai now has some barriers formed to create some lines. It creates less of a zoo type atmosphere. It took 15 minutes for us to get to a podium. Once that was cleared we headed on out to get our bags. Not easy as most of them had been taken on the carousel and placed on the side. It is like a maze trying to spot your bag, and once you do, you have to hurdle over people, carts and bags getting to your stuff.I managed to get all four checked in bags and we went on over to line up for customs. That was done with a two-minute wait and we out into the city that is known as Mumbai!

Verdict: Not exactly the world class Emirates I am used to. The service was very minimal and the food was no-where near the world-class standards Emirates has set over the past few years. I remember the days when I could rely on Emirates to provide excellent service with some of the best cuisine served in the sky. What happened? Have they expanded so rapidly that they lost track of quality? Before any of you say Mumbai is a secondary destination, I have had some of my best experiences with Emirates on their Mumbai flights. I hope this is not the beginning of a downward spiral for Emirates in-flight service. It would be a shame to see such a magnificent airline go down the drain like this. This was the second less than mediocre Emirates trip this year. When I had done these exact two flights back in August 2001, the service was unparalleled to any other airline out there. What happed in the past two years?

If the service on the long hauls is like what I experienced then I will continue to fly via Amsterdam on KLM and count my blessings rather than take a chance on a 14-hour Emirates flight to the States.


Emirates 856
Check In: 6 (One counter for F/C. 15 minute wait with a long line)
Lounge: 7 (Kuwait Airways Oasis lounge-Lacking in seats)
Boarding: 1 (Free for all with no I.D. check)
Seat: 7 (Comfortable for a short flight, but not up to other International airlines standards)
Crew: 5 (forced smiles, but they eventually warmed up, like they were scanning passengers)
Aircraft: 10 (Clean and carried itself well. It is an Airbus after all!)
Entertainment: 9 (No AVOD, but perfectly acceptable for this short leg)
Meal: 9 (Excellent quality and quantity for such a short flight)

Emirates 502
Boarding: 3 (Free for all again, but at least there was a separate jetway for F/C)
Seat: 7 (Fine, same as above)
Crew: 4 (Average, but completely fell apart after the meal service)
Aircraft: 5 (Filthy from the outside and it had signs of ageing inside)
Entertainment: 5 (Quality was appalling, screen was too small to top it off)
Meal: 5 (Main dish was plain and insipid, only redeeming factor was the dessert)
Arrival: 7 (The chaos that is Bombay, but the bags were out showing the priority labels worked)

90/150=0.6

Emirates scored a total of 60%. This is absolutely appalling when Emirates constantly wins awards and is recognized for its superior service.

Now for the pictures:

Take off from Kuwait
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/KWITakeoff1.jpg
View of Kuwait City
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/KWITakeoff2.jpg
Menu for KWI-DXB sector
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/KWIDXBMenu.jpg
The Business Class PTV on the A330
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/332PTV.jpg
The Business Class cabin on the A330
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/EK332Cabin.jpg
Entering the coast of the UAE
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/UAECoast.jpg
Moments before touchdown into Dubai
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/DXBlanding.jpg
View of part of Dubai's terminal on take off
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/DXBTerminal.jpg
Menu for DXB-BOM sector
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/DXBBOMmenu.jpg
My fathers drink with a mixed bowl of nuts
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/777drinks2.jpg
My coke with a bowl of mixed nuts
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/777drinks1.jpg
The appetizer plate for lunch
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/777appetizer.jpg
The main course with the dessert in the background
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/777meal.jpg
The Business Class PTV on the 777-200
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/777PTV.jpg
The Jet Airways and Air Sahara terminal after landing in Mumbai
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/BOM9WS2Planes.jpg

Miscellaneous Stuff:
Emirates Business Class menu cover for both flights
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/EKmenucover.jpg
Emirates Business Class wine menu cover
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/EKwinemenu.jpg
Emirates Business Class wine selection
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/EKwinelist2.jpg
Emirates in-flight magazine and entertainment guide
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/EKmagazines.jpg
Unused lounge invitation for Dubai with map of the airport on back cover
http://www.airwhiners.net/images/Anosh/EKloungepasses.jpg

There you have it. Hope you enjoyed it. This is the first photo trip report; so let me know if this is what you guys would like in the future.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: IndustrialPate
Posted 2004-01-13 05:34:36 and read 18926 times.

There was this guy with a briefcase trying to shove me to the side so he could get in front of me, I just gave him one good whack in the leg with my handbag and he knew I meant business.

I should try that sometime!!  Smile

- - -

An excellent trip report! I had the opportunity to fly Emirates once not too long ago (although in Economy) and had the same impression as you: the airline is overhyped. Emirates seats are undoubtedly the most uncomfortable I have ever sat in -- it felt equivalent in space and size to what one would expect on a high school spring break charter to Cancun. Obviously, one experience isn't enough to truly rate an airline... but it can sure to wonders to destroy a common impression of that airline.

Thank you for the report!

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Akumas
Posted 2004-01-13 13:12:58 and read 18709 times.

Good report!
Good media backing everything up  Smile

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: KEESJE
Posted 2004-01-13 13:40:12 and read 18703 times.

Good, well structured & illustrated report, with enough personal opinion to make it interesting.

Though opinion, but lots of material to back it up

Excellent..

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Vimanav
Posted 2004-01-13 19:02:11 and read 18573 times.

Anosh...

I too agree with your view that EK is over-hyped. Your trip report is an excellent and detailed effort. Just for your info, if you happen to be on Y/cl on their B777s please note that they have a 3/4/3 seating (like the standard 747) unlike most other carriers which have 9 abreast either as 3/3/3 or 2/5/2 (rare though) thereby making it really cramped. Some of their 773s are configured to have a total of 446 seats which by any standards is really a cattle car.

rgds//Vimanav

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: BFS
Posted 2004-01-14 01:33:04 and read 18447 times.

Does sound disappointing, however I am more concerned about that picture of business class on the 777. Does those bulkhead seats recline?? I should bloody well hope so!

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/
Username: Sllevin
Posted 2004-01-14 01:48:48 and read 18434 times.

I've got to say I'm really surprised by the business class seats shown. Quite honestly, they don't look anywhere near as nice as the KL seats on the MD-11, or even NW's comfy old recliners on the DC-10. Aside from the legrests, they look like domestic F seats.

Steve

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: A330Fan1
Posted 2004-01-14 02:34:39 and read 18425 times.

To me, EK looks like a FABULOUS airline! I've never taken it, I should though one day. It looks really comfortable with great food!

-A330Fan1

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: SR 103
Posted 2004-01-14 23:39:14 and read 18230 times.

Thanks, glad you guys enjoyed it. I always try to back up my opinions with reasons as I find it more interesting this way.

Vimanav,

I am very aware of the 3-4-3 seating on the Emirates 777. Thankfully to this day, whenever I have had to fly economy with them, it has been on the A330 which is decent in the back, though the seat could do with some work.

Sllevin,

The seat did kind of remind me of domestic First, but to be fair, it was far superior to any domestic First product I have experienced to date, and I have experience everyone except USAirways. But as far as it goes, it is definitely not up to the international standards of most of the airlines placed in the top 10.

A330Fan1,

Don't get me wrong, I have had some excellent Emirates flights in the past. I just think they are over hyped like so many airlines out there. In the end, I guess they are an excellent airline when they deliver what they promise. On this trip they did not.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Flyguyclt
Posted 2004-01-15 02:21:42 and read 18186 times.

See Anosh,

The new NWA A330 has you spoiled  Smile

Safe Flying  Smile

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: NWAA330
Posted 2004-01-15 18:57:33 and read 18067 times.

Anosh,

As always a fantastic trip report with all the right details. Cant wait to see ur report on the flight back to the states. AND IM SO GLAD YOU TOOK PICTURES! lol. keep um coming.

NWAA330

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: SQ772
Posted 2004-01-16 06:24:17 and read 17891 times.

I've not flown EK many times, just twice on rather short sectors in fact. I was on the exact same flight as you from KWI to DXB sometime in May on their 777-200s. There's nothing great about their Y seats, or food...but what impressed me most were the team of cabin crew on both the inbound and outbound sectors. They were warm, friendly and ever willing to please...I felt at that point in time that their Y service was many times better than SQs.

I've also heard that inflight service on EK is inconsistent. Maybe I was lucky to have met two excellent sets of crew in one trip.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: SR 103
Posted 2004-01-19 00:07:07 and read 17437 times.

Flyguyclt,

Yeah, it’s all Northwests’ fault for spoiling me with the A330, which by the way was excellent on the return as well.

NWA330,

Glad you enjoyed the trip report. Not sure if I will be able to post a return trip report as I am pretty busy with school here. They really like to keep us busy here. I may just do a very abbreviated report. I will however write one on my BOM-DEL Air Sahara flight.

SQ772,

I remember you asking some questions about the flight and I recall I helped you with some information. I also read your trip report on the flight. I have found Emirates to be a very good airline in the past, but this trip was definitely a disappointment. Mainly due to the crew as I have normally had stellar crew on Emirates. I think as they grow, they seem to have become more inconsistent with the service as it lags at times. Three flights this year with them have been somewhat of a disappointment. For example on my KWI-DXB flight, the F/A across the isle was providing the excellent EK service that I have come to know and like, yet the one serving our isle was not providing anywhere near the same service. This just shows how luck plays a part in flying with them.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Espion007
Posted 2004-01-19 05:18:40 and read 17369 times.

nice report,really gave me a feeling of actually being in your shoes.Visuals made it even better.Keep em comin'  Big grin I can recall slamming into runways-for some reason aeroflot pilots FALL into JFK every time  Smile

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-19 05:23:31 and read 17390 times.

There's just no pleasing some people.

"You could clearly see the mansions down there and just how vastly populated the U.A.E. is."

The UAE has a population of approx. 2.5 million people. This is by no means vastly populated.

"We exited the runway at about 40 miles an hour with the reverse thrusts still engaged."

Oh please. I really don't think you could tell how fast you were really going.

"The gear was lowered a few seconds later and it was very clear to any regular traveler to Mumbai that he was coming in way to fast."

Again, how could you tell how fast you were going? I think you claim to know more than you actually do.

EmiratesA345 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: UN_B732
Posted 2004-01-19 18:25:12 and read 17243 times.

The key word here is ABOUT. He guesstimated.
-UN

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Phatfarmlines
Posted 2004-01-19 19:14:49 and read 17225 times.

Oh please. I really don't think you could tell how fast you were really going.

Some airlines do list on their overhead monitors the ground speed of the aircraft.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: SR 103
Posted 2004-01-19 19:59:17 and read 17224 times.

Ah, I was wondering when the Emirates folks would come attack me.

EmiratesA345,

I am sooo pleased to get your comments!
Happy? I am not that difficult to please.

However let me set the record straight on your comments:

The Dubai population is centered around a small area and that shows up in the way the city has expanded in a restricted area around the airport. In case you do not know there are vast tracts of desert all around where all you will find are camels.

Oh please. I really don't think you could tell how fast you were really going.

I never used the words "exactly," but rather "about." I never implied in any way that I knew exactly how fast we were going but rather what my perception was. You really should read that again.

Again, how could you tell how fast you were going? I think you claim to know more than you actually do.

You are absolutely right! How could I tell? I mean I have just been flying through BOM for 21 years and am currently in college studying aviation with a pilot’s license. I mean you must have gone through BOM on your own many times to be an expert like yourself and say I am lying. You are right, how could I possibly express my opinions. Perish the thought that someone could actually say what they think.

As far as the “know more than I actually do” claim, I never claimed anything, you did. I mean the nerve of me insulting your poor defenseless Emirates. Just because someone says something that you do not agree with about your favorite carrier is no reason to attack him or her. You have to realize that there are people out there that have different opinions than you.

There's just no pleasing some people.

You are right, just like there is no pleasing you!

Me thinks you claim to be a know it all, and all I can say is don't give up your day job!

SR 103

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: B747-437B
Posted 2004-01-19 20:10:14 and read 17230 times.

I think you claim to know more than you actually do.

No, I think he's just claiming to know more than YOU do. Which doesn't seem to be too hard considering that unlike your blind adulation for an airline located halfway around the world from the dump you live in, he actually flies them and is hence qualified to comment. Next time you post an Emirates trip report, we'll be glad to respect your views as well. In the meanwhile, you just come across as a whiny teenage retail clerk with some vague agenda to pursue.

As for the rest of his report, it seems highly consistent with the feedback most folks on Emirates' "cattle" routes seem to come up with. The airline is largely a product of marketing hype that you seem also to have bought into. Talk to some of the former Emirates executives (hint - there are a few of them now living in the Toronto area so you don't have far to go) and they will be the first ones to admit that to you. As I noted on another thread, their market share is eroding in their core South Asian markets already and they will struggle mightily to place their expanded lift in a few years.

So you keep living in your happy little dream world with twinkling stars projected on the ceilings (oops sorry, thats EK's latest PR gimmick) while the adults here will continue giving our business to airlines that actually deliver what their marketing promises.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-19 20:13:22 and read 17205 times.

I didn't attack you. Maybe YOU should reread.

"You are absolutely right! How could I tell? I mean I have just been flying through BOM for 21 years and am currently in college studying aviation with a pilot’s license. I mean you must have gone through BOM on your own many times to be an expert like yourself and say I am lying. You are right, how could I possibly express my opinions. Perish the thought that someone could actually say what they think.

As far as the “know more than I actually do” claim, I never claimed anything, you did. I mean the nerve of me insulting your poor defenseless Emirates. Just because someone says something that you do not agree with about your favorite carrier is no reason to attack him or her. You have to realize that there are people out there that have different opinions than you."


You could be flying through or to BOM for 100 years and still not know exactly how fast you are going. Unless you were in the flight deck and you heard the Captain or FO advise that the speed of the aircraft was too great, I really doubt you could possibly know if the speed was too fast or not. I also never said you were lying. I said that you most likely had no clue what you were talking about and just put that in there. You might have to carefully read that one over because I didn't directly say it like that.

I never attacked your opinions. It is perfectly fine for you not to like Emirates. As for claiming that you know more than you do... You don't have to come out and directly say that for people to think it.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy your future Emirates flights!

EmiratesA345 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-19 20:17:23 and read 17195 times.

B747-437B,

"Which doesn't seem to be too hard considering that unlike your blind adulation for an airline located halfway around the world from the dump you live in."


LMAO Oh Christ. I suppose India is much better than the "dump" I live in? Last time I checked we didn't have people swimming through shit in sewers just because their position in the caste system was not high enough.

EmiratesA345 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Phatfarmlines
Posted 2004-01-19 20:21:04 and read 17198 times.

You could be flying through or to BOM for 100 years and still not know exactly how fast you are going.

How hard-headed are you? Please accept the fact that passengers can find out how fast an aircraft is going.

[Edited 2004-01-19 20:21:59]

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-19 20:26:32 and read 17191 times.

Thanks for your input Mark. If you are sitting inside a metal tube looking out the window, you will not know how fast you are going. If you don't believe me then I invite you to join me on a flight. I'll find out what our speed is, and you'll tell me your estimate. I am almost 100% certain you will not be able to guess.

EmiratesA345 Insane

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Phatfarmlines
Posted 2004-01-19 20:29:40 and read 17170 times.

Rewind back to Reply 16:

Oh please. I really don't think you could tell how fast you were really going.

Some airlines do list on their overhead monitors the ground speed of the aircraft.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/
Username: UN_B732
Posted 2004-01-19 20:30:22 and read 17181 times.

There is such thing as a guess..He said ABOUT. He never claimed to know. But if someone flies in a lot. I'm sure you would feel the same way. If it feels too fast then you see full breaking.
-UN

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-19 20:41:14 and read 17171 times.

However in this case it wasn't like this. He said that it was a guess. There you go.

Alosha, maybe you'd like to try this little test as well? I don't know where the hell you're getting full braking from, as the aircraft hasn't even landed yet.

EmiratesA345 Insane

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: NWAA330
Posted 2004-01-19 20:48:01 and read 17169 times.

Emirates A345,

The fact that you even find it necessary to argue over something as inconsequential as a ground speed ESTIMATE and what someone noted they saw out of an airplane window is pathetic. Whether or not the plane was going 40 MPH doesnt really matter because either way the plane exited the runway with REVERSE THRUST STILL ENGAGED and the a/c was slammed down with immediate thrust reverse and excessive screeching. This would mean no matter what the speed the plane was going TOO FAST. I think we can all agree that SR 103 would be able to comment better than you on the speed the a/c he was on (not you) was traveling. Perhaps you also missed the point at which he states he is an aviation student with a pilots license? You also seem to assume that the plane was going slower than 40 because he could not have know it to be that but whose to say it wasn't going faster? Certainly not you.

NWAA330

[Edited 2004-01-19 20:50:26]

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: SR 103
Posted 2004-01-19 20:49:44 and read 17169 times.

As for claiming that you know more than you do... You don't have to come out and directly say that for people to think it.

I am not really sure what to say here. Nowhere did I say that I know more than anyone else. You are clearly saying that, not me. Yet you do realize you are coming off as a stuck up, know it all brat as I do not see anyone agreeing with your opinions here.

To me it just seems like you want to start an argument simply because I wrote a less than flattering report on your precious Emirates. Get over it, life goes on.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-19 21:03:40 and read 17143 times.

You people are pathetic. Whatever.

EmiratesA345 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: L.1011
Posted 2004-01-19 21:50:58 and read 17183 times.

Emirates,

Your the pathetic one. You obviously have nothing better to do then to argue over something idiotic like a speed estimate. Emirates seems to be quite overhyped from reading this trip report. But, because you, a Canadian randomly decided to idolize a random airline 8000 miles away, anything critical of EK is immediately wrong. We all have favorite airlines (mine is //// U N I T E D) but the majority of us like an airline on the same continent as us. Most of us also know that ever our favorite airline, with every standard from NK to CX sucks occasionally. It's a fact of life that no airline is perfect, including your god EK. Sorry.

Derek (note lack of gay spinny smiley)

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Jaysit
Posted 2004-01-19 22:56:25 and read 17114 times.

I've flown Emirates in Economy class (A310 and 777) and in Business Class (A330).

Their Economy class beats most carriers hands down. Maybe some of you have incredibly high expectations from coach, but any airline that provides you a decent well-presented meal, lots of entertainment options, a good seat with a few extra inches of legroom in a modern airplane at a very competitive price, is up there in my books.

Their business class is not be at the same high technical standard as BA, but once again, their fares are very competitive, the service is always good, and its all delivered with a flair thats missing on other carriers. Of course, things may have changed in the last 2 years.

Besides, airline food is airline food. I've flown in premium classes on numerous carriers, and invariably the bread is dry, the pate is rock solid, the cheese isnt soft, the pasta aint fresh, and the filet is never served medium rare. Its mostly impossible in an airplane cabin. An airplane cabin - whether on Emirates, or BA, or Air India, or Air Tajikistan - will never be a fine dining environment. Match your expectations accordingly.

I like Emirates because generally they hit the basic notes well: bread rolls were served warm, they had plenty of ethnic choices (even if some of you dont like curry, its the best thing to eat at 37,000 feet), coffee was freshly brewed and strong, and the wines were chilled. All that at very competitive Y and J-class fares.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: SR 103
Posted 2004-01-20 00:24:55 and read 17064 times.

Match your expectations accordingly.

When I flew this exact same route on the exact same flights back in August 2001, the service was excellent and the food was equally great. I have also flown Emirates before numerous times to and from Europe and the service and food has been equally stellar.

Thus I do not think it was too much too expect the same level of service and food I have been receiving from Emirates for a few years now is it?

On a separate note, thanks for disagreeing with me in a mature manner rather than just shouting at me like someone else on this board. It is much appreciated, thanks.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Hoons90
Posted 2004-01-20 02:19:03 and read 17011 times.

Very nice and detailed trip report ! If I were you I'd ignore the guy that is trying to ruin your thread....

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-20 02:39:28 and read 17010 times.

No one is trying to ruin his thread. Especially not me. Unfortunately you have trouble seeing and couldn't figure that out.

The point of these trip reports is to write a commentary about the airline. About their service, food, seats, and just the flight in general. Others then have the chance to respond about what they think.

I hardly think this is to comment about how detailed or how well written a trip report was. That's what you do in English class.


EmiratesA345 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Hoons90
Posted 2004-01-20 02:53:16 and read 16999 times.

You say you are not trying to ruin his thread, yet you are personally insulting him and whining about something that does not really matter at all ? I think you are only trying to cause trouble here...

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: FunFlyer
Posted 2004-01-20 02:53:47 and read 16994 times.

Well no one cares what you think...............................

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-20 03:55:09 and read 16976 times.

FunFlyer,

That was directed towards me or Hoons90?



I'm not personally insulting him. If you took the time to read the thread then you'd know I am insulting Derek A.K.A L1011.

Nice try though.

EmiratesA345 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Hoons90
Posted 2004-01-20 04:33:12 and read 16965 times.

Does it really matter what the personal insult was directed to ? A personal insult is a personal insult and it may cause a flame war, hence, ruining a thread. By the way, maybe the comment about the plane going too fast was just a feeling, and maybe it was noticeable ?

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-20 05:05:10 and read 16950 times.

A post of mine which was deleted. Allow me to rephrase.

Derek,

I'll give you another pathetic thing we can argue over. You need to learn how to write. The word is "you're" not "your". Secondly, what does my being a Canadian have anything to do with which airlines I like or dislike? The airline that I like doesn't have to be in the same continent. I guess I have to love Boeing because I live in North America? Oh, by the way, Canada is in North America. That is the reason why you're pathetic.

I realize that airlines are not perfect. They have their good and bad days, just like everything else. But making a fuss because the flight attendant only offered you ONE drink is ridiculous. If he had asked the flight attendant politely, I'm sure she/he would have been thrilled to give you another drink.

EmiratesA345 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: IndustrialPate
Posted 2004-01-20 06:53:10 and read 16924 times.

EmiratesA345 -- have you ever flown Emirates, or are you defending an airline you've concluded is your favorite based upon what you've read about them?

- - -

Their Economy class beats most carriers hands down.

Cramped, narrow seats will always be cramped, narrow seats no matter what the service, entertainment or food options are. As far as I'm concerned, Economy class is pretty much generic. And I would never fly Emirates's 777 since they manage to squeeze an extra set per row in Y...

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: PIA777
Posted 2004-01-20 16:22:31 and read 16825 times.

Hello,

Its no hype. Emirates is the real deal. I love that Airline.
I also love the hotel stay they give us. They always put us up
in a nice place in Dubai. I love their color scheme.

PIA777

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Jaysit
Posted 2004-01-20 18:57:36 and read 16790 times.

I have always been provided a minimum threshold of functional service on Emirates. It never goes below a B, and frequently hits an A. In comparison, many airlines in the MidEast-South Asian arena are quite happy with a gentleman's C. As far as a 777 with 10 seats abreast is concerned, I agree it aint pretty, but I've been on far narrower seats (what about an L-1011 with a 10-abreast product on Cathay?).

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: L.1011
Posted 2004-01-20 20:58:43 and read 16761 times.

Emirates,

Would you like to list us all the flights you have taken on EK? Oh and umm whose the pathetic one when you're arguing over a contraction?

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/
Username: 9V-SVC
Posted 2004-01-21 03:25:01 and read 16676 times.

I love flying on Emirates , the flights I flew on them were great. Seat configuration and pitch has a lot to be desire through, for 3-4-3 it's pretty cramp and during flight but they make up for their good service. I will be flying with them again in feb, anyway I hope they will re-configure their 777s in the future .

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Hoons90
Posted 2004-01-21 03:53:02 and read 16661 times.

Quotes by EmiratesA345 are in italic.

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I'm simply saying that his whining because he wasn't offered a second drink is ridiculous.
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The UAE has a population of approx. 2.5 million people. This is by no means vastly populated.

Oh please. I really don't think you could tell how fast you were really going.

Again, how could you tell how fast you were going? I think you claim to know more than you actually do.

You could be flying through or to BOM for 100 years and still not know exactly how fast you are going. Unless you were in the flight deck and you heard the Captain or FO advise that the speed of the aircraft was too great, I really doubt you could possibly know if the speed was too fast or not. I also never said you were lying. I said that you most likely had no clue what you were talking about and just put that in there. You might have to carefully read that one over because I didn't directly say it like that.

However in this case it wasn't like this. He said that it was a guess. There you go.

Alosha, maybe you'd like to try this little test as well? I don't know where the hell you're getting full braking from, as the aircraft hasn't even landed yet.

You people are pathetic. Whatever.


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 Insane

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: IndustrialPate
Posted 2004-01-21 04:12:41 and read 16644 times.

Whether or not I have flown aboard an Emirates Airline flight is completely irrelevant.

Um, no. You're bashing SR 103 because he flew Emirates and had a poor experience -- how can you defend a product you've never experienced?

While I personally think it's childish to list an airline you've never flown as your favorite, it's incredibly stupid to knock somebody for their opinion on a topic they actually have experience in when you don't have any.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Ryanair!!!
Posted 2004-01-21 04:36:44 and read 16644 times.

Whether or not I have flown aboard an Emirates Airline flight is completely irrelevant...

Of course it is... that is how we assess why is the airline on our "fav" list! If you are only going to be basing it on what you read and hear, man you are the pathetic one because you ARE a SLAVE to the media. How can you possibly say this airline is your favourite (am I going to get crucified for not spelling it "favorite"?) when you have not been there personally to experience it?

There is a thing called credibility. And it becomes at stake if you only base your conclusions on "hearsay". You are still young, you need to grow up and smell the roses... realise that you have to account for what you are saying by backing it up with experiences. Solely basing it rumours and gossips makes you no better that a trashy tabloid.

I feel we have another "Singapore_Air" in the making. But take a cue from him, although he might be annoying in his non-stop rants about SIA, he is credible in his rants. He backs it up with credible references and not just based on "I heard...". Get in touch with him, you might learn a thing or two.

This forum ain't about childish nit-pickings on spelling error and arguments about "approx" and "actual" how-could-you-have-knowns... Grow up, ok? You are in the 16-20 category so I will have to give you more credit than that.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-21 04:49:49 and read 16641 times.

I'm not bashing him. I understand that he had a poor experience. That's just fine. I'm also not defending them, as I have nothing to defend them from. What the hell are you people reading?

How many people are there that when asked what their favourite car is, reply: Ferrari, Benz SLK, H2, Maybach, etc., etc.? Even though these people have never driven in one or have never had one, and most likely never will, it still remains as their favourite car. Don't give me your "childish" bullshit, because this is the case here exactly. Also, why are you so sure that I have never flown Emirates? I never said that I have, but then again no where above does it say that I haven't. Don't come to conclusions too quickly.

Again, I'm not knocking him for his opinion. I don't understand why you have such a hard time seeing that.

No not ok.

This forum also "ain't" about how well it is written, however that is what many seem to think it is for.

May your future flight on Emirates be pleasant!  Smile

EmiratesA345 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: NWAgoldelite
Posted 2004-01-21 06:19:47 and read 16609 times.

Emirates345 wrote:

"LMAO Oh Christ. I suppose India is much better than the "dump" I live in? Last time I checked we didn't have people swimming through shit in sewers just because their position in the caste system was not high enough."

What kind of ignorant comment is that? There is no excuse for such a degrading comment except maybe that you are a racist. Go ahead; show us more of your intelligence with these comments. It's people like you who really spoil these forums and ruin it for everyone.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Ryanair!!!
Posted 2004-01-21 06:58:53 and read 16594 times.

Hear hear! Like I say, give him some credit because he is still young and sure has lots to learn in this complicated world of ours.

Emirates345, precisely, for those who have not rode in a Ferrari before, their comments and rants about how bad / good the car is, remains nothing but ramblings. Why? Because they have not driven one been in one before. But I am not saying it is wrong for them to have it as their fav car. But leave the leave the judgement calls to the ones who have the experience. No one is crucifying you for having Emirates as your fav airline, but having the experience of flying it does help a long way to give you credit.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-21 21:49:43 and read 16450 times.

Oh John,

The comment was not ignorant, it was the truth. Don't give me the racist bullshit, because I most certainly am not. If you've seen any of the people with whom I associate myself with or took the time to find out my future plans, you'd definitely take your stupid comment back.

How is the comment degrading? It is the truth. It's unfortunate that you can't handle it. It's people like me that keep the forums interesting, but thanks for coming out.

Chee,

No where have I written about how good or bad Emirates is. I think you need to read everything over. Where have you seen me place any judgment on Emirates' service? No where.

"man you are the pathetic one because you ARE a SLAVE to the media."

"I personally think it's childish to list an airline you've never flown as your favorite"


I wouldn't call the above crucifixion exactly, but it was bashing my like for Emirates just because I have never flown with them (So you think, anyway).

EmiratesA345 Insane



Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Phatfarmlines
Posted 2004-01-21 22:07:21 and read 16436 times.

I know people who are from and visited India. I have heard it way different than this "sewer dump" you are envisioning.

BTW, if you want to be credible in the future, you may not want to judge an airline that you have never flown.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Triple Seven
Posted 2004-01-21 22:27:39 and read 16419 times.

Excellent trip report! Informative and detailed. Heard alot about them but never been on them.

-Triple Seven

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: NWAgoldelite
Posted 2004-01-22 02:16:44 and read 16380 times.

Triple Seven Wrote:

Excellent trip report! Informative and detailed. Heard alot about them but never been on them.
------------------------------------------------------
You've never been on Emirates? Arent they your favorite by now?

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-22 03:23:56 and read 16369 times.

Mr. Cruz,

I recommend a reading comprehension class as you clearly didn't understand what I wrote. We can discuss when you pass the course. Until then, don't waste my time.

"BTW, if you want to be credible in the future, you may not want to judge an airline that you have never flown."

Firstly, we already established that I never judged Emirates Airline anywhere above. Secondly, why is it that you're so sure that I've never flown Emirates? You can't possibly know, therefore your statement is pointless. Again, I thank you for wasting your time in posting it.

NWAgoldelite,

You need help old man. I have already proved how even IF I hadn't flown on Emirates, my flying with them is completely irrelevant to whatever I wrote in this thread, as I never judged them. However, seeing as how you can't possibly know whether or not I have flown with Emirates or not, your statement is also pointless.

Along the lines of some advice that I received...

"BTW, if you want to be credible in the future, you may" want to get your facts straight before making stupid posts.


Again, I wish you safe and pleasant Emirates flights.

EmiratesA345 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Phatfarmlines
Posted 2004-01-22 04:01:30 and read 16374 times.

LMAO Oh Christ. I suppose India is much better than the "dump" I live in? Last time I checked we didn't have people swimming through shit in sewers just because their position in the caste system was not high enough.

My comprehension is fine thank you. Next time PLEASE think before you write. (And visit India before you make such a rash and immature comment).

Whether or not I have flown aboard an Emirates Airline flight is completely irrelevant. Suppose that I haven't. Does this mean that they can't be my favourite? I will tell you that I have flown CSA Czech Airlines, Jetsgo and LOT Polish Airlines. The three that I just named are all loser airlines.

Once again, you're diluting your credibility by playing a guessing game with all of the members on here. Why don't you take your children's games somewhere else son!

[Edited 2004-01-22 04:27:21]

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-22 04:44:11 and read 16340 times.

It's clearly not. What you wrote in response to what I originally wrote is completely off. I said nothing about India being a "sewer dump". If you could read, you would have known that I was referring to the people swimming in the sewers to unclog them. Also, I don't know why you're quoting me, as "sewer dump" is not something that I said.

Hopefully soon you will realize that my credibility is irrelevant. Like I have told you numerous times, I never judged the service that was offered by Emirates, therefore I don't to be credible.

Just a note for you. Usually when you begin a sentence with the word "why", you end the sentence with a question mark (?).

Like I told you before, as soon as you finish with the reading comprehension class, we can discuss some more. Until that time, I won't waste my time explaining myself anymore to you.

EmiratesA345 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Phatfarmlines
Posted 2004-01-22 04:49:48 and read 16338 times.

-Hopefully soon you will realize that my credibility is irrelevant. Like I have told you numerous times, I never judged the service that was offered by Emirates, therefore I don't to be credible.-

I see the king of grammar screwed up himself.

Why don't you just stop responding to this? You are contributing nothing intelligent to this post.


[Edited 2004-01-22 04:53:10]

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: MileHighClub
Posted 2004-01-22 06:02:09 and read 16311 times.

To A345;

I live in Macau, and a lot of the strippers and hookers here are from Canada. Can I generalise and say that ALL Canadian women are whores? Obviously not. How can you just come up with a blanket assumption/comment about India when you've probably just watched a few episodes of 60 minutes to back your silly little comment up. What really do you know about the socio-economic structure of India? Hardly anything i'm guessing. Fair comment to say that there's a lot of "trailer park trash" in Canada....perhaps some of them even have airliners.net subscriptions!

No offence to any other canucks here, I have a lot of Canadian friends.

About Emirates;

I lived in Dubai working in hospitality for 5 years. Loved every minute. However, the only reason we flew Emirates was that it undercut every other airline on price in J and Y to most of its destinations.

Having flown them at least 18 sectors a year for 5 years straight on pretty much all a/c types, I am >> QUALIFIED << to say that their Y class pretty much ranks alongside any other major carrier. I mean Y class is exactly that - you're not going to be drinking Dom Perignon and eating filet mignon on any other airline...what makes you think EK is any better??

J class is a real shame. Old product and tight uncomfortable seats do not make for a good J class experience. Many a time in J class I have had food selections that are exactly the same as what was being served in Y, but on different china. Once they roll out a new J class config and really look at improving their product delivery, they will no doubt be a top class airline.

One REAL drawback that EK have is their cabin crews. Although they usually have between 6-8 languages spoken between them on any given flight, you will usually, depending on the nationality of the crew, have someone who is fantastic, and tries to go above and beyond any expectations, or you will have someone who is indifferent and can't wait for ladies night at Rock Bottom or Boudoir...!

It's that inconsistency that is a fundamental problem that they must address, because the hallmark of a truly world class service experience is measured by consistency. Ok, we know that every airline, like any other service establishment will have it's on and off days, but EK, in MY OPINION seem to have a lot of off days!

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-22 07:09:05 and read 16305 times.

"I see the king of grammar screwed up himself.

Why don't you just stop responding to this? You are contributing nothing intelligent to this post."


I was just waiting for you to pick that one up. I'm thrilled. What you post here is bullshit, so I guess we're even. Why don't you stop responding? You seem to think its so pathetic to argue over such little things, meanwhile you always write back. Interesting.

"I live in Macau, and a lot of the strippers and hookers here are from Canada. Can I generalise and say that ALL Canadian women are whores? Obviously not. How can you just come up with a blanket assumption/comment about India when you've probably just watched a few episodes of 60 minutes to back your silly little comment up. What really do you know about the socio-economic structure of India? Hardly anything i'm guessing. Fair comment to say that there's a lot of "trailer park trash" in Canada....perhaps some of them even have airliners.net subscriptions!"

If you ever saw me you would see that I'm far from trailer trash. If you want to talk about trailer trash, we can talk about the United States. Just look at how many talk shows they have with those TPT people on them. I guess you could say that all Canadian women are whores. It wouldn't bother me at all. I guess there is a strong demand in Macau to satisfy little men like yourself.

What I said about India is not a blanket assumption. People actually do swim through the shit in the sewers there to unclog them. That is their job. Read a little and you'll learn. I have even had Indian coworkers who tell me that India is a dirty place. I bet they're just making up stories!

Its amazing how when our Indian friends call Canada a dump, nothing is said. However, when India is shown to be a dump, everyone cries "racist"!

EmiratesA345 Insane



Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: MileHighClub
Posted 2004-01-22 14:46:35 and read 16232 times.

A345 - Lets talk a little bit about poverty. You think there is no poverty in Canada or anywhere else apart from India for that matter? Im sure that a destitute, starving, diseased, coke-addicted Canadian would swim thru $hit aswell for a few dollars.

While i'm sure that this person who unclogs drains does exist in India, I am equally sure that the only reason he would do something so awful is to feed, clothe, and educate his children so that they have a better future than him. All respect to the drain cleaner in my opinion.

And while I agree that certain parts of India are in general unkept - show me one city in the world where everything is all roses? It is infact a miracle of determination and ingenuity that keeps a city like Mumbai, with probably about 5-10 times the population of the largest Canadian city, running.

Man, you need to grow up, open your eyes, and become a little more world-wise <- IN MY HUMBLE OPINION!

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Mlsrar
Posted 2004-01-22 16:08:06 and read 16201 times.

Just look at how many talk shows they have with those TPT people on them.

The flag of belligerence has been raised...I guess the question of whether or not he's another lemming, mindlessly following the whims of popular media has been answered.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Jaysit
Posted 2004-01-22 17:03:57 and read 16204 times.

"However, the only reason we flew Emirates was that it undercut every other airline on price in J and Y to most of its destinations."

You got that right. Its also the only reason why flying a second string airline in Business Class is a viable option to flying a top notch carrier. You get a business class fare at a price that is close to the full fare economy fare on a top airline. I've flown Emirates, Alitalia, Air India, Korean Air in J-class as an alternative to BA, Singapore, Cathay. I have not regretted it. A second string carrier is the best example of a cost-benefit decision: comfort at big savings especially if you're paying your own way.

As far as the which country is more of a dump, India or Canada, I would have to say that although I love Bombay, and return to visit every year, it is one helluva dirty city - although somewhat cleaner than many other cities in India. Any comparison between the appearance of Indian and Canadian cities is ludicrous at best. India is fast becoming an ecological and environmental disaster, something that Canada will never be. India has its charms, but its cities are marred by large swathes of slums, uncollected trash, and gasoline fumes. When I visited Delhi in 2000 (after a hiatus of nearly 15 years), I was shocked to see how dirty the city had become.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-22 17:27:23 and read 16187 times.

The drain cleaner has my respect as well. I was simply using this as a comparison to show what it's really like in India. In Canada, we don't have that. You need to shut up. Clearly you didn't see where that smartass wrote how Canada was a dump. It's okay for him to say that, but heaven forbid I reveal the shithole that India really is. You want a city where everything is all roses? I'm sure I could find one for you in Switzerland, Germany, Austria, etc. Also, where did you see me write that I think there is no poverty anywhere but India? Stop making assumptions.

EmiratesA345 Insane

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Vimanav
Posted 2004-01-22 19:51:22 and read 16140 times.

a city like Mumbai, with probably about 5-10 times the population of the largest Canadian city

You surely mean, 5-10 times the population of Canada Smile/happy/getting dizzy

As far as the which country is more of a dump, India or Canada, I would have to say that although I love Bombay, and return to visit every year, it is one helluva dirty city - although somewhat cleaner than many other cities in India. Any comparison between the appearance of Indian and Canadian cities is ludicrous at best. India is fast becoming an ecological and environmental disaster, something that Canada will never be. India has its charms, but its cities are marred by large swathes of slums, uncollected trash, and gasoline fumes. When I visited Delhi in 2000 (after a hiatus of nearly 15 years), I was shocked to see how dirty the city had become.

Jaysit...

Let's not forget that "kamal keechad mein hi khilte hain". For an English translation - the lotus only blooms in a swamp. So too with the dirty cities of India, producing the smartest brains who unfortunately fly at the first opportunity and look back to their country of birth with disdain.

rgds//Vimanav

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: SR 103
Posted 2004-01-22 20:59:59 and read 16122 times.

MileHighClub,

Thanks for an excellent post! Thanks for your valuable in put, very much appreciated by many of us here.

Jaysit,

Regarding your comparison with India and Canada, no one is disputing the fact that India is more polluted. What we were trying to do is knock some sense into this narrow minded teenager and shut him up.

I hope you understand what I am saying? I am not trying to criticize you for anything you have said, and I apologize if it seems that way. I am just trying to discuss things with you in a mature way and avoid altercations with this kid and his biased views.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Jaysit
Posted 2004-01-22 21:36:12 and read 16123 times.

I understand, SR103.

As far as kamals go, "kamal keechar mein hee khilta hain, lekin doosrein phool baagh mein hee khilte hain." So, I am sure that most Indians would rather be "Gulaabs" in Shalimar than "kamals" in Dharavi. After all, if the Israelis could create a garden from a desert, then all our desi paan spitting, "raaste mein pisab" doing chaachas and mamas can clean up their act too. Plus, there is no correlation between "keechad" and "akal." If that were so, then all of India's IIT grads would be from Bihar.

So, its not an issue of disdain or not. They're just facts. Like India is dirty. Sindhis eat papad. A paunch displayed in a saree is ugly. The best gol gappas are to still to be eaten at Bengali Market in Delhi. Its reality. You take it for what it is. Not doing so would be a case of the Emperor has no clothes.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Jaysit
Posted 2004-01-22 21:46:40 and read 16112 times.

And I duly apologize for aiding and abetting in taking this topic down a path it should not have gone.

There is one thing you must agree though - Emirates has far more eye candy among their cabin crew than their competitors, be they surly or not !

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Phatfarmlines
Posted 2004-01-22 23:03:57 and read 16077 times.

I was just waiting for you to pick that one up. I'm thrilled. What you post here is bulls***, so I guess we're even. Why don't you stop responding? You seem to think its so pathetic to argue over such little things, meanwhile you always write back. Interesting.

Let's rewind AGAIN back to reply 16:

Some airlines do list on their overhead monitors the ground speed of the aircraft.

I didn't consider it bulls*** when I originally wrote this, nor did I verbally chastise you, although I could have. You should learn to distinguish bulls*** in your comprehension class.

If you ever saw me you would see that I'm far from trailer trash.

Good for you!

If you want to talk about trailer trash, we can talk about the United States. Just look at how many talk shows they have with those TPT people on them.

I work with some of these people who are from mobile home parks. I have to say their intelligence and manners are far superior to yours.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-23 01:28:43 and read 16058 times.

Once again, you need to add something else to this, even though you think it's pathetic.

Don't give me the manners crap, because anyone can write pretty on the internet, and look as if they are well developed. As for my intelligence, you can't comment on it as you don't know me. See, the thing is... I never commented on Emirates service (because according to you, I've never flown with them) however, you did comment on my intelligence, even though you don't know me. Can you say hypocrite?

EmiratesA345 Insane

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Gamps
Posted 2004-01-23 04:25:42 and read 16022 times.

Hey SR 103,

Good report. I hope Emirates is not going the way of Malaysian Airlines when it comes to India service. Would be interesting to see when they start SFO service - then I will get a chance to fly SFO - DXB - BLR.

And how was DXB - my bro was there recently and said almost 75% airport staff seem to be Indians and it felt like India. I hope our friend EmiratesA345 won't transit through that "sewer"  Big grin. J/k.

BTW as someone mentioned the Biz class seats sure look cramped..something to do with the camera angle or was it really that cramped?

Cheers

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/
Username: 9V-SVC
Posted 2004-01-23 04:58:45 and read 16002 times.

From looking at the business class seats, they do look quite cramp. Anyway, anyone flew on EK's A345 ? Are the economy seats similar to the 777s ?

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: SR 103
Posted 2004-01-23 05:50:31 and read 15985 times.

Gamps,

The DXB staff is definitely 75% Indian. I was in Dubai for a few days in August last year and it is a great city. Love the place. I met the entire KLM staff when I was flying out due to some mechanical issues with the aircraft, and they were all Indian, including the supervisor. I spent an extra night in DXB at KLM's expense enjoyed every minute of it. The hotel staff were all Indian too.  Big grin

Regarding the seats, they are cramped, though not as bad as the picture portrays.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: 744BFA
Posted 2004-01-23 06:33:36 and read 15966 times.

EmiratesA345,

See, the thing is... I never commented on Emirates service (because according to you, I've never flown with them)

You keep using the word "assume." How about you tell us if you actually have and then we can stop speculating. Till then we will "assume" you are talking out of your rear!

I feel sorry for Emirates. You portray them in such a bad light by trying to defend them the way you do.

744BFA

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-23 06:56:36 and read 15962 times.

You should never assume. I really don't care if you keep assuming or not. You can assume anything you want.

Emirates definitely needs your pity. Again, if you could read, you would notice that I never defended them.

Have a nice evening.

EmiratesA345 Insane

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Vimanav
Posted 2004-01-23 07:35:22 and read 15954 times.

The best gol gappas are to still to be eaten at Bengali Market in Delhi

Jaysit... you really should not have touched upon this very delicate point. I am reminded and thus tempted to take off to Bengali market to savour them again. My office a one minute walk from there. Smile/happy/getting dizzy

rgds//Vimanav

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Phatfarmlines
Posted 2004-01-23 13:29:30 and read 15908 times.

You people are pathetic. Whatever.

So I take it you are a mind reader and you know every person on this thread?

We're still waiting to know if you flew Emirates or not.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-23 21:10:56 and read 15851 times.

What does mind reading have to do with this? The shit you come up with... Oh my. As I stated numerous times before, whether or not I have flown on Emirates is irrelevant, as I never judged their service or argued against what SR 103 said about the service itself. Maybe this time you'll finally catch on.

EmiratesA345 Insane

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: SR 103
Posted 2004-01-23 22:27:23 and read 15822 times.

But making a fuss because the flight attendant only offered you ONE drink is ridiculous. If he had asked the flight attendant politely, I'm sure she/he would have been thrilled to give you another drink.

as I never judged their service or argued against what SR 103 said about the service itself.

You do realize those two statements do not go together. Also care to explain what fuss I made? I only mentioned I was never offered a drink, where did I make a fuss? As far as your comment about "being trilled to give me another drink," you obviously did not read the report then. The crew were not happy to do anything.

I think you need to stop being a hypocrite! Acting like a loser is not going to get you anywhere on this board. Stop acting like a moron and go up you big baby! Show some maturity, make yourself look better than a fiver year old trapped in a 16 year olds body!

SR 103

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EmiratesA345
Posted 2004-01-24 04:26:03 and read 15768 times.

I exaggerated a little. You didn't make a fuss, but you were definitely not pleased. You complained about it on this board. I did read the report. What stopped you from asking another one of the flight attendants who was more friendly? Nothing.

I think you need to grow up. I also think many other things... Which I won't post in order to keep this from being deleted.

EmiratesA345 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Jsmith
Posted 2004-01-24 06:06:58 and read 15740 times.

"Boarding: They were announcing the final call for this flight and we decided at that point enough shopping."

You were still shopping when the final call was being made for your flight??????

No wonder airlines get irate when flights depart late because of passengers who fail to organise themselves properly to get to the gate in sufficient time. Just think if everyone decided "enough shopping" at the time of the final boarding call - no flight would ever leave on time.

Airlines should be permitted to fine passengers who have no reasonable excuse for delaying the departure of an aircraft.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: SR 103
Posted 2004-01-24 18:55:54 and read 15654 times.

Airlines should be permitted to fine passengers who have no reasonable excuse for delaying the departure of an aircraft.

I totally AGREE with you! I hate it when passengers delay a flight like that.

Got a quick question for you though, did you read what I wrote under that sentence? You can clearly see we got to the gate and then waited for the "actual" boarding of the aircraft. We were on the plane 45 minutes before departure time, thus I see no reason for you to accuse us of delaying the flight.

I do not know if you have traveled through Dubai before, but "Final Boarding" does not occur 10 minutes before the flights departure like so many other airports. It occurs close to 45 minutes before the departure time and 15 minutes before the actual aircraft boarding. In fact, passengers from the First and Business Class lounges are told to head to the gate 30 minutes before departure, which already occurs after the "Final Boarding" call.

I hope you understand what I am trying to tell you. "Final Call" in Dubai is by no means "Final Call" like at other airports in Hong Kong, Singapore, Sydney etc...

SR 103

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: AirxLiban
Posted 2004-01-25 09:36:05 and read 15488 times.

wow.

how did such a well written and detailed trip report turn into all this?

I for one cannot wait for Emirates to be officially dethroned...

Middle East Airlines is #1 in the Middle East.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: SR 103
Posted 2004-01-27 06:19:57 and read 15239 times.

EmiratesA345,

What stopped you from asking another one of the flight attendants who was more friendly? Nothing.

You obviously are not a seasoned traveler. Read what I wrote again. If you had ever experienced the meal service on Emirates you would know that with a tray table in front of me it would be mighty hard to get out. That would be one heck of a balancing act to get out of the seat and find another flight attendant for a drink. On Emirates there is normally only one flight attendant serving the meals in the front business class section of the 772. No other flight attendant came by for another hour till after the meal service was done. You being the "know it all" of Emirates should have known that fact. I would like to see you try the balancing act the next time you are on Emirates, or JetsGo or whatever airline you actually do fly.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: AJ
Posted 2004-01-29 01:00:37 and read 15018 times.

SR103, thank you for sharing your views on Emirates. Please excuse me if I ignore the majority of the subsequent 85 posts!

It is facinating to me that 'hyped' up airlines, such as Emirates, Virgin (in all forms) and Singapore Airlines often attract such opposing reports.

Here in Australia Emirates has been very clever in their marketing, flooding the various media with advertising, even as far as sponsoring national sports events and teams. Billboards adorn all the cities they fly to. The advertising budget must be enormous!

The price charged for the ticket has the Virgin approach.....undercut. Larger competing airlines take a while to respond, and by then the damage is done. Trying to compete while always on the back foot must be extremely frustrating.

Emirates' approach on the Tasman market has been all in, cheapest fares, newest aeroplanes and frequent flights. Attracting full fare economy NZ and QF passengers into their Business Class, and budget and first time travellers into their Economy Class, again out of the incumbent operator's seats. Show off your (very impressive) First Class in the media and even the cheapest fare paying economy passenger gets an image of the carrier as oppulent. It seems that this type of traveller is often disappointed by tight economy seating in the back of a 777, but by then the fare has been paid and banked. This approach also includes their Kangaroo routes over Dubai.

I continue to enjoy trip reports on my airline and those of our competitors, especially EK, SQ and VS/DJ.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: L.1011
Posted 2004-01-29 01:20:34 and read 15003 times.

Emirates,

We all know that. My good friend SR knows that. He is also older than you. He is not stupid. You are obsessed with an airline you've never flown. That is sad. It is obvious that you are defending EK by trying to destroy the credibility of SR and the people coming to his defense by ridiculously pointing out grammar mistakes and launching a 10-post argument about whether you can judge how fast a plane is moving. No offense, but you need a life! Emirates is a good airline, but they aren't the best. The best airline in the world would have a second drink run, regardless of pressing the button. You have just proved yourself to be the stupid one.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Jaysit
Posted 2004-01-29 03:15:25 and read 14983 times.

"It seems that this type of traveller is often disappointed by tight economy seating in the back of a 777, but by then the fare has been paid and banked."

And this is in comparison to what? The opulent Economy class seating on Qantas? I think that the average Economy class passenger is smart enough to know that he/she isnt getting a flying bed with gold trim for a peanuts fare. In any case, Emirates beats its competitors at the back hands down too in terms of seat pitch and entertainment.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: 744BFA
Posted 2004-01-29 04:00:31 and read 14968 times.

EmiratesA345


it's called a flight attendant call button.

Let me remind you what you said.

asking another one of the flight attendants who was more friendly?

If SR 103 rang the call button, the same Flight Attendant would have come by. Thus your half brained argument is is not valid. Now look who is the stupid one.

Unfortunately you're too stupid to have figured that out.

What a comment. This really shows your maturity level. I think we all know who rightfully owns the "stupid" title in this thread, and it most certainly is not SR 103.

744BFA

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: AJ
Posted 2004-01-29 04:05:48 and read 14958 times.

That's my point Jaysit, economy is economy, and you get what you pay for. I am not comparing Emirates economy to anyone else's as I haven't flown them, but I do know that they are taking passengers away from Qantas, Air New Zealand and the rest on the routes they compete on. That is where my interest is sparked from a marketing perspective.

BTW, why is every post in this thread being flamed, however innocent. Calm down!

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Jaysit
Posted 2004-01-29 20:00:39 and read 14860 times.

How much does Emirates undercut the competition on the Oz and trans-Tasman flights?

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: AJ
Posted 2004-01-30 00:56:39 and read 14835 times.

Jaysit, the competition now matches Emirates A$451 fares, or better it if off-peak flights are taken on B737/A320 sized aircraft. (Air NZ A$444 with no FF points etc, QF A$446 with FF points). These fares are up to half what were paid during the trans-Tasman duopoly.

Again, because Emirates were the cause of the drop in fares like Virgin Blue were domestically, the general public views EK as the lowest fare airline trans-Tasman.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Mehtabrahman
Posted 2004-01-30 03:57:52 and read 14807 times.

Press it, and a little lady in a cream skirt, light blouse and a red hat comes.

Emirates cabin crew do not wear the 'red' hat inflight, and definitely not during serving meals.

I am now totally convinced you have never flown with Emirates, as every genuine Emirates passenger will have noticed the absence of the red hat(?) while in-flight.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: FunFlyer
Posted 2004-01-30 03:58:09 and read 14797 times.

It was to you Emirates.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: EKFirstClass
Posted 2004-01-30 08:57:20 and read 14770 times.

And when you think that all this started with a trip report... A very good one actually! Very detailed and accurate I can tell...
But I can't agree with all the immature insults that followed! Come on guys! This is not a kindergarten playground!
And a message for EmiratesA345: as much as I appreciate your devotion to Emirates I can't help but notice that your comments are hurting the airline's reputation. Think about it!

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: L.1011
Posted 2004-01-30 17:05:18 and read 14682 times.

Thank you for that EKFirstClass.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Teva
Posted 2004-01-30 19:00:43 and read 14656 times.

I see this debate is quite hot .
Let me give my opinion as well.
Any airlines may have flights not as good as usual.
I have flown with EK several time on the last 6 years. Here is why I always choose them when I fly to DXB.(My comments do not refer to their new seats on the A340-500, since I never tried them. It is only about the standard EK product)

Yes, you can have better seats in Business with some other airlines. However,they are not that bad. And in the 3 classes, you have state of the art entertainment.In addition to the various chanels and games available through their IFE , in C and F, they give you a film menu, where you choose the films you want to see. (around 50 titles per flt) They give you the mini DV tape, so, you watch it when you want.

What I love with EK is the professionalism of their very nice, smiling and efficient FAs.

And their ground service is superb too.
For C and F, in DXB, they hace a dedicated terminal, very fast and efficient.

And for me, the nicest story has been my first flt. Due to heavy fog in DXB, all the flts have been delayed for 2 to 3 hours.
In the lounge, everyone was getting nervous, because we ahd no idea about the departure time.

Then, the ground staff gave everyone a form. On this form, it was possible to indicate our connecting flt, or the name and phone of your relatives. After the flt departure, as soon as they know your estimate arrival time, they will make all the changes for your reservation. Or they call your family, so that they don't arrive too early at the airport, for nothing, and make sure they will not worry. And guess what.... they really called!!!
I can tell you that after completing the form, everyone was relaxed, and you could see the smiles on the faces.

That's what I call real customer service. And I don't know a lot of airlines doing this.
And that's why I always choose them: customer service, good food, good entertainment, efficient crew.

And that's why so many customer choose them, and they get so many awards.
Teva

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: SR 103
Posted 2004-02-01 18:34:34 and read 14353 times.

EKFirstClass,

Thank you for your level headed comments, much appreciated.

Av8rDAL,

I am not sure about this. I checked with a few other people and they did not get any pop ups. I am not sure what happened. One of the members here is the owner of the site that these pictures were hosted. I shall have him check it out for you. I do apologize if it was domains fault.

Teva,

And that's why so many customer choose them, and they get so many awards.

Agreed! I have flown Emirates a number of times before. I just happen to be writing about what I experienced on my most recent trip and not my previous ones. Emirates definitely have surpassed my expectations in the past and that’s why I was expecting something along the same lines this time. As you can see, they missed a lot of the "service" we hear about.

From my previous experiences, Emirates definitely deserves those awards. Hopefully they will not lose the small touches that have got them this far.

SR 103

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: Marco
Posted 2004-02-01 22:42:19 and read 14343 times.

SR 103,

Thanks for the report. My parents live in Dubai and I'm currently studying in Montreal, and I have had the same experiences with EK. An excellent airline, but not without faults! I respect your posts, please don't let some teenager in waterloo (who hasn't flown EK) get to you  Big grin

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: B747-437B
Posted 2004-02-03 23:32:10 and read 14073 times.

Congrats Emirates345. I think you have succesfully made the case for teenage euthanasia.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: B747-437B
Posted 2004-02-03 23:48:42 and read 14083 times.

How come all the links to the external sites on which your photos are hosted all have domains that contain pornography? Tried clicking on them and was attacked by sluts, hussies, and other such undesireable material. Next time, put them on Webshots.com or something.

Umm... I host SR103's images on my airwhiners.net server and I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. There isn't any inappropriate material within a mile of there, unless you count some of the posts by KROC on the forums.  Smile

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: IHadAPheo
Posted 2004-02-04 04:07:13 and read 14013 times.

Warning intentionally poor grammar and spelling to follow (hey I'll even toss in some sub par punctuation)

First in regards to the speed issue. I have to make the obvious suggestion, estimate distance and use time to get speed, as an example If I were to be traveling on my favorite airline on my favorite plane (Aero Cozumel and the oh so sweet Trislander) and if the oh so sweet trislander were to cover a distance (close to the ground) of a bit over 250' in about oh let us say three seconds one could say that the above mentioned oh so sweet Aero Cozumel trislander was racing through the glorious Yucatan skies at say about 60 MPH (sorry to all but doing the Mach # conversion at sea level for 60 MPH made me dizzy.)

Second, I was going to have my user name be IHadAPheoFliesAeroCozumelTrislander but it would not fit, I also was going to go with ZipptheAeroCozumelLovingChimp but Zippy was not yet born. (oh yes, I have flown AeroCozumel many times in the late 80's, yes I know I'm old). BTW the crew of the Trislander was superb and the seat pitch was about 23"

Oh yes "version 2.0" in a move to avoid any future insults, yes I do live in Buffalo and yes I know it is a sewer.

Yours,
The cynical old man
IHadAPheo


Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: A340pilot
Posted 2004-02-05 03:56:09 and read 13856 times.

So sr103: Other than the disruptive trip post, How was your trip? I have seen the Interiors of Some Emirates aircraft is it really that nice Inside and Is the service as good as they say? (sorry for breaking this disagreement and getting back to the original post  Big grin ) I would like to try Emirates some day but have no reason right now to travel there!


Best regards,
a340pilot


PS- Yes, My name is A340pilot but, "I HAVE NEVER BEEN ON A A340!" its because I like the airbus 340!  Big grin

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: GuyBetsy1
Posted 2004-02-06 22:47:57 and read 13614 times.

The route that I will try on next will be EK's A345 between DXB and SYD. In First. I hear they blow everyone else's service by comparison out of the water.

Topic: RE: Emirates–How Over Hyped Can One Airline Be? W/pics
Username: AirxLiban
Posted 2004-02-07 03:47:41 and read 13786 times.

"Middle East Airlines is #1 in the Middle East."

No, no they're not. Gulf Air or Emirates are however.


Matter of opinion my friend. MEA being #1 is simply mine.


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