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Topic: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: CX747
Posted 2006-05-03 02:49:37 and read 13430 times.

The following trip report will detail my flights between EWR (Newark New Jersey), (HNL) Honolulu Hawaii, and (JHM) Maui, Hawaii.

April 23, 2006

I woke up around 8-8:30 with plenty of time to spare as my flight from EWR-HNL did not leave until 1:30pm. My suitcase was already packed so I showered and shaved. Then I sat around for several hours. This is why I dislike afternoon flights. I much prefer to get up and get going! At 11:00am my two friends arrived at my house. We loaded our luggage into my car and we were on our way to Newark Liberty International Aiport.

We had to circumnavigate our usual route because the Rt 23 South to Rt 46 West exchange in under major construction. After using RT 80, and Rt 46 we were finally on approach to EWR via Rt 21. Drop off at the curb was quick and soon enough my friends and I were headed inside.

We were flying on Continental Airlines this afternoon. Check in was extremely fast as we used the kiosks. TSA then took our bags and we were off to our gate. Departure this afternoon would be from the “new” international gateway via gate 26. As we walked through Newark Airports Terminal C, the usual view was being played out. Continental Airlines is the sole user of this terminal Continental Express ERJs taxied in and out of gates as mainline 737 “Classics”, 737NGs, 757s, 767s and 777s moved about also. Within the last several months, Continental has put winglets on their 757-200s. It definitely puts a new look on an old favorite. To the best of my knowledge, the wingleted 757s are used across the pond to European destinations not requiring wide body service.

My friends and I arrived at Gate 26 which was empty. My friend asked me if there was anyway we would be flying on a 777-200ER that afternoon. I said the probability was extremely rare as the route to HNL is operated by the 767-400ER and CO has quite a few of them. I went to use the facilities and while there heard that Continental Flight 15 from EWR-HNL was changing departure gates from 26 to 21. My mind went into high gear as we had just passed Gate 21 and at it had been a sparkling 777-200ER! I didn’t think that there would be an equipment change from the stated 767-400ER but one never knows!!! I found my friends and informed them of the gate change. Neither one of them had heard it which figures. At Gate 21 sat the same 777-200ER. I was starting to believe in equipment changes after all! There were no other passengers around and the 777 was just sitting there. The reason for that was the 777-200ER (N79011) was just being pushed back. I’m not quite sure where she was headed that afternoon, but it wasn’t Honolulu.

Out on the ramp, I could see a CO 767-400ER at a holding point. As soon as the 777-200ER was pushed back from the gate, the 767 taxied in. Our ride for the afternoon/evening flight to HNL would be Continental’s 767-400ER (N68061).

Airline: Continental
Flight: CO 15 EWR-HNL
Equipment: 767-400ER *N68061*
Dep Time: 1:30pm
Arri Time: 6:05pm



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After grabbing a quick bite to eat, my group and I sat down to await boarding call. The call to board came after 2:00 and almost 45 minutes late, on top of this the call could not be heard. If other passengers hadn’t noticed the gate agent allowing people on, we could have missed our flight. As I walked to the gate agent, I passed the ticket counter and informed to two Continental employees that the call to board had not been heard by two thirds of the passengers. They didn’t seem to care because their answer was, “We are boarding over there.” This is the first time in several years that I can honestly say that Continental personnel were unprofessional. They were either unaware or didn’t care that the speaker system was not loud enough for everyone to hear. Gate 21 is not a small gate area and just opening the door and taking tickets is no way to board a flight.

Once onboard I found my way to seat 36D. After 20-25 minutes the 767 was pushed back and the engines were started. Flight time to Hawaii would be a brisk 9hrs 45mins. The 767-400ER started forward under her own power and began to the taxi to runway 22R. EWR must have been slow at that point because we never waited in line or had to hold at any area. We taxied directly to 22R and proceeded to make our takeoff run. The flight was full, but within 20-30 seconds the 767 was airborne and making an easterly turn. After a standard Newark departure, we were on the way to Hawaii. Our cruising altitude was suspiciously low at only 30,000ft. This is the first time that I have flown on a Continental 767. Could the aircraft have been too heavy with fuel/pax for a higher altitude? Throughout the entire flight the highest altitude that we flew at was 33,000ft.

45 minutes after departure a round of drinks were served. The standard choices applied but I went with a strong glass of water. Dinner came a short while later but I can not recall what the meal was. It was hot though and it did hit the spot. I have always found that Continental serves good hot meals that are not what I consider to be airline food. What I did start to see from the flight attendants though was a bit puzzling. I have flown on Continental almost exclusively since 1998. I am not heavy flier and normally fly 2-3 times a year. Continental’s service is always great and while there have been late flights etc, I have always understood that these inconveniences come as part of the package. What I did not like on this flight was the attitude of several flight attendants. It seems that they were harried in some unknown way. I’m not sure if they were short staff etc, but they did not pay attention to detail or concerns of passengers. It does not take a lot to please me. I allow for a lot of leeway when dealing with customers. Service personnel are not going to be able to smile and be friendly to each and every person all the time. Two of the male flight attendants though did not act in a friendly manner to the customers and questions/complaints did not seem to be of a big importance.

Our flight continued on and more drink rounds were made along with an additional meal serving. The seats were comfortable and the entertainment system was more than necessary. Several movies etc were available along with video games. I didn’t watch any movies but I did play some blackjack. The women sitting across the aisle from me in 36B did leg stretches and at one point had her leg behind her head. While she wasn’t hurting anyone, there is a time and place for everything. Doing calisthenics in the middle of a long haul flight and putting your legs over your head is inappropriate. Maybe I’m old fashioned and maybe I’m too conservative but sit in your seat, watch the blinking lights and eat your food. Doing semi sexual movements and making certain lower body parts easily seen while doing these exercises is not for the flight from Newark to Honolulu. For the most part the flight was smooth, the majority of flight attendants helpful and 9 hrs 45 mins later we were on final approach to HNL. I’m not sure which runway was used, but on short final, the large military ramp was visible with several C-17s and C-5s in different spots while a lone Evergreen 747-100F was also present. This was extremely difficult for me as I just declined a pilot slot in the USAF. It would have been nice to fly those jets!

On our taxi in, several different airlines and aircraft were visible. United and Northwest were present with several NW 757s and a lone DC-10 on the ramp. A Kalitta 747-200F was on the other side of the airport. United made its presence felt with 767s and 777s.

Overall I give Continental a B for the flight. The call to board was either not loud enough or was not given. The flight was over 45 mins to an hour late in boarding. Two of the flight attendants working our area seemed more ticked off than anything else. Continental though did provide a smooth flight, with a “free” meal and a comfortable seat. Entertainment of several different forms was available including late 20 year old women stretching.

My two friends and I spent two nights in Oahu and departed for Maui during the afternoon of our third day. Oahu was better than we expected and we enjoyed the city atmosphere even though we are all “suburban” fellas. I would recommend staying in Oahu longer than we did. Make sure to go on the Pearl Harbor Tour. If you get a bus driver by the name of Mr. Smith, you are in for a real treat. For $25, you get a tour of Pearl Harbor, several different historical sites and more information that one can process.

Originally we arrived at the Aloha Airlines terminal. I was mistaken though because even though we purchased tickets on Aloha, the flight was actually operated by Island Air. We walked to the inter-island terminal and checked in at the small but efficient desk area. Our luggage was taken and we made our way to the small terminal. Outside of the windows, several Island Air aircraft were sitting on the ramp. The airline is going through a livery transition and one of the newly painted aircraft N542BB was visible. Several flights for a multitude of islands were called as we awaited our flight. Island Air Dash 8s taxied in and out during the 2+ hours we were there. Finally the call to board flight 5558 with service to Kapalua airport was called.

April 25, 2006

Airline: Island Air
Flight: 5558 HNL-JHM
Equipment: DeHavilland Dash 8 *N811WP*
Dep Time: 4:35pm
Arri Time: 5:07pm



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Once we had gotten past the gate agent, we made our way onto the ramp. I always enjoy walking on the ramp and this time was no different. We made our way onboard and I was lucky enough to get a seat on the port side next to the prop. Within 5 minutes, both engines were fired up and we were taxing out. Sitting at the gates were several Hawaiian 717s. I was only able to get one tail number (N475HA). We continued our taxi and as we taxied out, a Hawaiian 767-300ER was being tugged towards the terminal. It was Hawaiian’s 767-300ER N590HA. We held short of the active and waited for another Hawaiian 717 to land and taxi off the active. As N479HA taxied off the active, our Dash 8 taxied on and within a few seconds we were blasting down the runway. We made a right hand turn upon being airborne. Our flight time would be 40+ mins for a flight that covered 84 miles. The Dash was comfortable but well used. I enjoyed the flight immensely because the feeling of being “aloft” is much more prevalent in small aircraft. The flight was not bumpy by any standards by one can definitely feel the ride. Water or a fruit drink was offered and shortly thereafter, the gear was coming down and we were turning final for Kapalua airport or West Maui Airport.

We had a slight cross wind from the left and the landing was firm but smooth with the right landing gear touching down first as should be. Taxi time was a little over a minute and once on the ramp both engines were shut down and de-boarding began. Getting our luggage took a little while because there were only a few ramp workers hauling luggage around. 20 minutes later though we were headed down Highway 30 to pick up our rental car.

To be continued....

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: CX747
Posted 2006-05-03 04:19:41 and read 13334 times.

April 30, 2006

I awoke around 9 and was out to enjoy the ocean one last time before heading back to New Jersey. Maui is a wonderful island and has plenty of things to do. One note of caution though. The Road to Hana is long!!!!! Bring plenty of sun block but enjoy the countless waterfalls, the black beach and all the beautiful sights that the winding, switchback filled road offers. The waterfall at mile post #11 though is closed and that stunk. Also, make sure to get to the Puu Ula Ula (Red Hill Overlook) at 10,023ft for sunset or sunrise. The only negative was that there weren’t enough beautiful women around 25 years old!!! Hopefully, my girlfriend doesn’t read this.

We made our way to Kapalua West Maui airport a little bit after 4:00pm for our 5:30pm flight. The airport and its check in facilities is not that big so it only took 4-5 minutes to check in, get through security and sit in the terminal. 20 mins before the flight, we all had to get up, go around the two small wooden tables, through the metal detectors and then sit down on the other side of the room dividers! Our aircraft landed and taxied in. Taxing in from the runway was N811WP which was the same exact aircraft we had flown on several days earlier!

Airline: Island Air
Flight: 5559 JHM-HNL
Equipment: DeHavilland Dash-8 *N811WP*
Dep Time: 5:30pm
Arri Time: 6:02pm



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Once again we got to walk on the ramp. I snapped several photos and then boarded the aircraft. Unfortunately, I didn’t get to sit next to the pretty blond girl. The two turboprops whined to life and within 3-5 minutes we were airborne and making a left hand departure turn. We passed over the island of Lanai and then made a right hand turn towards Oahu. Beverage service came with a choice between water or fruit juice. With my small plastic container of water in my hand, I watched as the Islands of Maui and Lanai passed from my view. Oahu’s coast became clear 10-15 minutes later and we were soon on final approach. Hickam AFB’s ramp came into view once more and shortly thereafter we were on the ground. United and Northwest’s aircraft were again present and it seemed as if little had changed. What I didn’t get a chance to see or photo was a Northwest DC-10.

Our Dash-8 taxied to the Island Air terminal and shut down. We headed for the luggage carousel and picked up our suitcases. We then caught the Wikki Wikki bus for the International Departure Terminal. I believe that Wikki Wikki stands for free in Hawaiian but it might be Wiki Wiki. Either way, the little Ford bus took us where we needed to go. As we got out of the bus, the blond girl from the Island Air flight apologized for staring at us! She wanted to know if we were Jehovah Witnesses like her. My first answer would have been that I would be what she wanted to be, but my friend answered no. That’s what I get for bringing an Evangelical pastor with me on vacation! When a beautiful girl asks you a question THINK before you speak. NO should not be in your vocabulary. Even if the answer is no, come up with a longer way to say no that enables you to continue the conversation. After our brief touch with beauty we headed inside the terminal to check in for our flight. First though we had to pass through the agriculture inspection. My friend’s suitcase was opened and his papaya and sugar cane were taken. I guess that was God’s way of getting him back for being stupid when talking to beautiful women. We then proceeded to the check in kiosks and did the touch screen fun.

Security was a breeze compared to Newark and once completed, we headed for Gate 25. At Gate 25 sat our ride for the evening. Continental’s, 767-400ER (N76062) sat in the setting sun with little or no activity around it. Its marker lights were on, but other than that, the aircraft was inactive. We still had 2 hours and 30 minutes to our flight so I headed out to see what was going on in other parts of the terminal. Several United flights were in various stages of departure or arrival and consisted of 767-300ERs and 777-200ERs. Northwest Airlines had 2-3 757-200s awaiting departure while Continental had another 767-400ER patiently awaiting its passengers. If I remember correctly, the CO 767-400ER was bound for Houston. America West Airlines didn’t want to be left out and had brought a 757-200 to the party. The 757-200 was decked out in one of their special paint schemes that will be disappearing soon. It was N901AW decked out in the “Arizona State” scheme. No matter where I go in the US, it seems that a America West 757 is there!


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I had the opportunity to watch an Air Canada 767-200ER taxi in after a long flight from Vancouver. After watching the operations around the AC 767 for 20 minutes or so I headed back to my gate and awaited its opening. During the meantime, another AWA 757-200 (N902AW) taxied in next to its sister ship. Yet again, in a place other than Phoenix I crossed paths with


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It will be a shame when all of the specially colored AWA 757s are gone. If you have the opportunity, take a few pictures at least! These AWA 757s are like traveling buddies to me. No matter where I go or what time I arrive they are there, ready and awaiting! Gate 25 opened a little after 8 pm and we headed inside. I got a good seat and was able to watch the flight crew go through the preparations for our flight to EWR. Flight Management Computers were being loaded with information and a weather briefing was taking place. The captain and two relief first officers completed their tasks and took a break to stretch their legs. Boarding for our flight commenced a little bit before 9:00pm.

Airline: Continental
Flight: CO 14 HNL-EWR
Equipment: 767-400ER *N76062*
Dep Time: 9:30pm
Arri Time: 1:00pm


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Once inside the aircraft I made my way to seat 23D which would be my domain for the next 9+ hours. Pushback commenced 25 minutes or so later and we lifted off from the island of Oahu right on time at 9:30pm. The captain came on and said that the flight would be bumpy for the first 20 or so minutes and then again when we were passing over the middle of the US. He also said that the flight would be shorter than our one to Oahu. The flight to Oahu took 9 hours 45 minutes but the flight to Newark from Oahu would only take 9 hours. Other than that, we should enjoy our snack and try to catch some sleep! The flight attendants came around with a snack service which was not advertised. What was advertised was DINNER. I had not eaten anything since lunch and I was hungry. My flight itinerary clearly stated that dinner would be served on this flight. Two crackers, a piece of cheese and a twix bar does not equal a dinner. I ate my “snack” and drank my Coke in the dark as the might 767 winged its way over the Pacific towards Northern New Jersey.

I was able to catch some sleep on the flight but spent most of it drifting in and out of short naps. The individual in front of me was a little crazy to say the least. He argued with the flight attendant over his seats space. He didn’t like the fact that the seat in front of him was fully reclined. What this fool didn’t realize or want to acknowledge was the fact that his own seat was fully reclined and that everyone deals with the same issues. Then at 3:30am he proceeded to begin arm movements and noises. The purpose of these noises and movements was unknown but it did wake me up to say the least.

This flight passed quickly though and with an hour left before touchdown we were served a hot breakfast. It consisted of an egg sandwich and some fruit. The breakfast was good, but I still don’t know what happened to dinner. As we began our descent into Newark, I saw my friendly yoga practicing lady from my last flight! She was sitting a few rows ahead of me this time. Fortunately, she was in need of a bathroom this time and not an exercise mat. Our descent and arrival into Newark were normal and we landed on runway 4R. Taxi to our gate to only a few minutes and before I knew it, my vacation to Hawaii was over. Getting our luggage proved to be a nuisance and we waited over an hour. I’m not sure what the delay was, but it did not earn CO any bonus points.

Overall Continental gets a B+ grade for these flights. My EWR-HNL flight was late leaving the gate and did not have an announcement made for boarding. Several flight attendants were ticked off at something and did not provide the usual service level. We happened to get several of the same attendants for our flight back to EWR and one of the two which was rude on the EWR-HNL flight was also rude on the HNL-EWR flight. It wasn’t so much that he was rude, but he lacked the professional care I have seen so many others provide. Also, not serving dinner was a major negative. All in all they were good flights and I will fly Continental again. All of my flights arrived on time so our late departure didn’t affect us. I hope that these minor hiccups though do not grow into larger issues.

My Island Air flights get an A. They were on time, the crew was friendly and the aircraft were well kept. It seems to me that Island Air is a well oiled machine and one that any inter-island Hawaii traveler should use.

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: Redngold
Posted 2006-05-03 04:21:11 and read 13333 times.

I'm always curious as to whether, while you were over the continental U.S., you recognized any land features. Were you flying in clear skies? Did you see mountains, farms, rivers, etc.? Was it clear enough for you to see when you crossed the Pacific Ocean coastline?


redngold

[Edited 2006-05-03 04:23:04]

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: COERJ145
Posted 2006-05-03 04:36:54 and read 13312 times.

Quoting CX747 (Reply 1):
he flight attendants came around with a snack service which was not advertised. What was advertised was DINNER. I had not eaten anything since lunch and I was hungry. My flight itinerary clearly stated that dinner would be served on this flight.

Did you book from Continental Direct or Expedia etc.? The travel sites like expdia or orbitz tend to list meals on flights even if they arn't being served. Also, on overnights, what do you expect in terms of service these days? What CO served on your overnight flight was really generous considering AA or NW will give you only a drink/B.O.B service.

Nice T/R!

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: Pianist718
Posted 2006-05-03 04:50:59 and read 13303 times.

I also just came back from the trip flying CO 767 and I also found that CO flight attendants are not tooo pleasant. On the positive side ... the condition of the airplane was very good.

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: CX747
Posted 2006-05-03 04:59:27 and read 13289 times.

Question #1: I did not have a window seat on either of my Continental flights. From time to time I would look out one of the window shades but I didn't see anything of great importance etc. One of the things that really ticks me off is people in window seats that have the shades down or are sleeping. Leave the windows for those of us who want to look out and not sleep or stare at a computer screen for 9 hours!


Question #2: I booked my Continental flights on Continental.com. My e-ticket itinerary/receipt that was printed out at EWR states that dinner is served on the HNL-EWR flight. I agree that Continental provides better service than UA or AA where you have to buy your food. What the other airlines provide though doesn't matter. I spent my money with Continental and they did not provide the service they stated they would.

My biggest problem isn't the fact that the food didn't get served, its the fact that I didn't eat because they were going to feed me! I know that it sounds like I'm harping at CO. I enjoy there service, but on my two flights I noticed that things were not as they have been. I hope that they were unique occurences and not the start of bad trends.

If I fly to Australia/New Zealand is there any way to get miles on Continental?

[Edited 2006-05-03 05:03:09]

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: Redngold
Posted 2006-05-03 05:09:02 and read 13266 times.

Quoting CX747 (Reply 5):
Question #2: I booked my Continental flights on Continental.com. My e-ticket itinerary/receipt that was printed out at EWR states that dinner is served on the HNL-EWR flight. I agree that Continental provides better service than UA or AA where you have to buy your food. What the other airlines provide though doesn't matter. I spent my money with Continental and they did not provide the service they stated they would.

If you think it's worth your effort, print out a copy of this and write a letter. Send the letter and itinerary to:
Customer Care - HQSCR
Continental Airlines, Inc.
P.O. Box 4607
Houston, TX 77210-4607

Or use the online contact form at:
http://www.continental.com/contact/customer/default.asp

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: Semsem
Posted 2006-05-03 17:33:50 and read 13026 times.

In 1986 I flew the same route on CO. In those days it was a DC-10. We were going to Papeete and the flight stopped in San Francisco and Honolulu. There was no nonstop service to Honolulu from EWR.

The service was very unimpressive but the DC-10s were comfortable.

Bythe way did they only serve you one meal to Honolulu on the nonstop? Maybe I missed it but how are the loads on these flights?

[Edited 2006-05-03 17:35:08]

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: CX747
Posted 2006-05-04 21:16:53 and read 12692 times.

One the EWR-HNL flight, they served us two times. They served us lunch and then a snack etc.

Both of the flights seemed to be at 100% load factor. I was unable to see the load in Business Class though.

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: DFW13L
Posted 2006-05-05 08:53:01 and read 12590 times.

Great report. You seem to have the same experiences I do, such as the "strange person" on the flight out there is always on the same flight going back.

I think you landed on runway 8L both times in HNL, by the way, with Hickam AFB just on your left while on short final.

I flew out to Maui in February, and became a big fan of IslandAir. I didn't actually fly them (Flew AA 763 DFW-OGG and back) but we stayed in Kaanapali, so the IslandAir Dash8s flew over the hotel every day. One day I went out to JHM just to see what the airport was like, and as luck would have it, I took a couple shots of an IslandAir coming in. And guess what..it was N811WP, the same one you flew into JHM. Maybe that's the only one to go to JHM! Just kidding. Wierd coincidence though. Here are my shots of 811WP on short final and on touchdown on runway 2 at Kapalua. People over in the Photography forum talked me out of submitting both of these shots for the database, though I thought the touchdown one had a chance.

These shots were taken on February 11th, 2006, if anyone cares, at or about 4pm. I don't remember for sure, but possibly the arrival from Kona that goes on to HNL.

Short Final Runway 2

Touchdown on the very short 3000' runway 2 at Kapalua

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: Cs03
Posted 2006-05-06 03:19:22 and read 12448 times.

There was non-stop service in 1987 HNL/EWR, and it was a daylight run with three classes of service, using a DC10-30.
Thank you for the interesting trip report!

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: JpetekYXMD80
Posted 2006-05-06 03:42:59 and read 12440 times.

Nice report! I could relate well after flying Island Air on that same route back in March. Maybe this will give me the inspiration to write a TR of my own...maybe after finals are over!

Anyway heres some pics I took from JHM. I'll share them as they are few and far between in the database.

BTW, isn't that takeoff crazy?! There were only about 10 on JHM-HNL. We were up in around 9 seconds, and I felt more force than a jet has ever given me.


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Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: Ha763
Posted 2006-05-07 04:58:58 and read 12217 times.

Nice report.

You definitely landed on 8L, as that is the main landing runway. It is also the main departure runway for interisland flights.

The airport shuttle is called Wiki-Wiki, which basically translates to quick-quick from Hawaiian. BTW, Island Air operates out of the Commuter Terminal at HNL, the Interisland Terminal is where Aloha and Hawaiian are located.

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: CX747
Posted 2006-05-07 06:21:36 and read 12188 times.

Thanks for clarifying some of my mistakes. Is Kapalua West Maui Airport growing at all? It seemed to me that the majority of traffic went to the centrally located airport in Maui. My only disappointment on the trip was not being able to fly on the 777  Smile

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: Tbear815
Posted 2006-05-07 07:17:20 and read 12176 times.

If only JHM could get the business they deserve. Right there at Kapalua with the Kapalua Bay Hotel, The Ritz-Carlton, Napili Kai, and all the other great places, that airport should be jumping. It's been years since I've been there, but it had such potential. Any comments?

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: JpetekYXMD80
Posted 2006-05-07 07:39:34 and read 12168 times.

Quoting Tbear815 (Reply 14):
If only JHM could get the business they deserve. Right there at Kapalua with the Kapalua Bay Hotel, The Ritz-Carlton, Napili Kai, and all the other great places, that airport should be jumping. It's been years since I've been there, but it had such potential. Any comments?

Its absolutely right there for Kapalua and Ka'anapali...the whole west side of maui, which is one of the largest resort areas on the island. Its severely limited by its crude 3,000 runway. With its 6-7 flights a day, its very small, and I think those with the power will have it kept that way. I certainly don't see JHM overcoming the many hurdles to expansion.

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: Ha763
Posted 2006-05-07 10:39:53 and read 12145 times.

JHM has had no potential for much growth with no expansion possibilities. The agreement with Maui County that allowed for the airport to be built by Hawaiian doesn't allow for any expansion of any of the facilities (ramp, runway, terminal). The agreement is still in place even though the State now owns the airport and would require a new agreement with Maui County, which will never happen. The State couldn't even extend the runway at OGG due to massive opposition from Maui residents.

BTW, JHM has more than 6-7 flights. Island Air has 6 flights just from HNL and Pacific Wings has 7 from HNL as well as other airports.

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: 777fan
Posted 2006-05-07 10:50:48 and read 12142 times.

It's a shame JHM couldn't get the runway extended about 3,000 ft if anything to get Go!'s RJs in there. The airport is so convenient and way underserved;l it could use a bit more publicity but, as some have mentioned, the state appears reluctant to do anything about it. OGG's 2/20 runway could use an extra 1,500-2,000 ft. too...

777fan

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: Hawaiian717
Posted 2006-05-07 19:18:41 and read 12087 times.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 17):
It's a shame JHM couldn't get the runway extended about 3,000 ft if anything to get Go!'s RJs in there.

That's another part of the agreement: No jets to JHM.

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: DFW13L
Posted 2006-05-08 10:11:09 and read 12015 times.

I think they can't even land the Q400s there either. And I know there's demand to fill them up.

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: CX747
Posted 2006-05-09 01:19:27 and read 11912 times.

In one way, it is nice to see that the airport will stay the same size. There were several new hotels being built near the airport though that might be the beginning of a massive growth stage. Can a Q400 land on the current JHM runway?

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: DFW13L
Posted 2006-05-14 10:13:04 and read 11683 times.

Quoting CX747 (Reply 20):
Can a Q400 land on the current JHM runway?

According to their website, a Q400 needs 4200' to land and 4600' to takeoff. JHM has only 3000' so the answer would be no. The Dash 8 100 says it needs 2900' to land and 2979' to take off, so they have a luxurious 21' of extra room on the runway for takeoff!

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: CX747
Posted 2006-05-15 22:12:58 and read 11566 times.

I had a window seat on my departure from JHM. I'm an amateur C-152/172 pilot and we did take up most of that runways length!

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: JpetekYXMD80
Posted 2006-05-16 00:26:47 and read 11521 times.

Quoting CX747 (Reply 22):
I had a window seat on my departure from JHM. I'm an amateur C-152/172 pilot and we did take up most of that runways length!

I'm not a pilot, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. And yes, I could indeed tell that 3000 feet ain't much.

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: CX747
Posted 2006-05-24 06:45:49 and read 11286 times.

Is there a reason as to why JHM is so small? I would think that tourist dollars would win out over land conservation. I'm glad to hear that so far, the animals and beautiful land have edged out a victory. With new hotels going up in Kapalua, is the story going to change?

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: AirxLiban
Posted 2006-05-24 22:06:01 and read 11204 times.

Excellent report!

Quoting CX747 (Reply 5):
Question #2: I booked my Continental flights on Continental.com. My e-ticket itinerary/receipt that was printed out at EWR states that dinner is served on the HNL-EWR flight. I agree that Continental provides better service than UA or AA where you have to buy your food. What the other airlines provide though doesn't matter. I spent my money with Continental and they did not provide the service they stated they would.

It's a more innocent mistake than you've made it out to be. What they meant to say is that will be offering a hot meal service and they were clumsy to have called it dinner. Sometimes on redeye flights they serve a snack right after takeoff and the meal before landing so that passengers can get to sleep immediately. I'm a bit surprised that they did this for a 9:30pm departure though, that's still a bit early to get to sleep. I flew Emirates from Dubai to London a couple of weeks ago and they did the snack first, but we departed DXB at 2:30am so thats a bit different!

Quoting CX747 (Reply 5):
If I fly to Australia/New Zealand is there any way to get miles on Continental?

Not via the south pacific - you'd be looking to get Skyteam miles and any of the connections through the west coast of the US would not get you any CO miles. You could however fly JFK-ICN-SYD with KE.

Topic: RE: EWR-HNL-JHM On Continental And Island Air
Username: Ha763
Posted 2006-05-26 13:06:30 and read 11055 times.

Quoting CX747 (Reply 24):
Is there a reason as to why JHM is so small? I would think that tourist dollars would win out over land conservation. I'm glad to hear that so far, the animals and beautiful land have edged out a victory. With new hotels going up in Kapalua, is the story going to change?

See my reply in post 16.


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