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Topic: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Fbgdavidson
Posted 2006-07-12 20:10:02 and read 32767 times.

This flight was part of a much longer itinerary taking me from Richmond, VA to Seattle, WA but I decided since this was the highlight of the itinerary and since the AA Flagship Service is rarely reported on here I'd make this into it's own trip report. The other legs are coming later as part of a more extensive report so keep an eye out for those.

To put this into context, I had just flown down from Boston, MA into JFK on an American Eagle flight earlier in the morning. The story begins on the way into the American Airlines Admirals Club in Terminal 9. Enjoy  Smile

Route: New York John F. Kennedy Int. - Los Angeles Int.
Airline: American Airlines
Flight number: AA245
Aircraft: Boeing 767-233/ER
Registration: N319AA
Seat: 03J (First Class)
Distance: 2475 miles
Route: COATE J36 BAE DBQ J144 DSM LNK J60 HEC CIVET5
Duration: 5hrs 33mins
Date: Wednesday 5th July



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I hopped into the elevator with another family leaving the bustling concourse behind and as we entered I was made aware that the family and I were on different flights. Then it clicked to the Admirals Club staff we weren't all together! I was asked if I wanted to move to AA1 which was leaving at 9am, an hour earlier than my JFK-LAX counterpart and I informed them because of my already long layover at LAX I'd be happy to stick to my original itinerary. This caused a bit of banter between the two about the new Admirals Club at JFK and the Flagship Lounge at LAX...

My first impressions of the Admirals Club here were very positive, the decor was bright and it felt very airy. Certainly a nice place to while away an hour or two so I grabbed a bagel and coffee and found an internet ready PC to pass the time.

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American Airlines Admirals Club at JFK's Terminal 9

After about 15mins I took a seat by the window which overlooked the much talked about JFK-NYC helicopter. As I watched the rotors began to spin almost as if it was giving an impromptu performance for me!

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US Helicopter Sikorsky SK-61N departing for New York City

It was a good spot to see the AA international departures as well as some of the early morning BA craft leaving Terminal 7 for London.

At about 9.30am I went downstairs, perhaps a little early, for the boarding of the flight. After just a minute or so the first announcement was made for First Class passengers so I went and exchanged pleasantries with the GA before boarding. Much to my surprise, or not  Wink, there were two chaps already sitting down, one beside me in 3H and the other in the aisle seat at the front of the business class cabin.

As the boarding continued for some time I settled into my seat which was really rather huge and extremely comfortable. As the other passengers filed back to Business Class and Economy I was brought a glass of pre-flight champagne and menus were handed out.

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Pre flight champagne: Domaine Chandon Napa Valley Brut

We were informed the flight was full although First Class still had five of the nine seats empty so Mr 3H moved forward to have a row to himself  bigthumbsup . This allowed me to spread my junk across two enormous seats  Smile

As boarding came to an end a guy from Business Class was brought forward amidst a sea of apologies from a couple of FAs and took the lone seat in the centre. He struck me as rather odd looking chap with a bandanna underneath his Trilby (neither of which were ever removed) and had a collection of toothpicks behind his left ear which he chewed on, rotating between his collection throughout the flight  boggled 

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The legroom in seat 3J, and I was stretching my feet out!  Smile

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The 9 seat First Class cabin on the AA Flagship Service 767-200

More picture of this First Class cabin and seat can be found thanks to Planecrazy2, here  thumbsup 

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The glorious weather at JFK this morning

Virginia, the flight attendant today in First Class came round with a copy of the manifest, welcomed me as 'Mr Davidson' and sat on the edge of seat 3H beside me and asked which of the various options from the menu I was after and whether I'd like to have a DVD player to use during the flight. The menu is as reads below:

'LUNCH

TO START

Warm mixed nuts

THE SALAD CART

Seasonal mixed greens
offered with a creamy Parmesan Peppercorn Dressing
or Olive Oil Vinaigrette

BREAD BASKET

ENTREES

SOUP DU JOUR
Chicken with Wild Rice
to accompany your entree selection

SEARED SALMON
A seared salmon fillet served cold on a bed of Linguini Noodles and enhanced by Jalapeño and Papaya Relish

ROASTED CHICKEN AND SWISS SANDWICH
Roasted chicken and Swiss Cheese offered on Ciabatta Bread accented by Chipotle Ranch spread, served with fresh seasonal Greens and a Dressing of your choice.

DINE UPON REQUEST

In an effort to accommodate your individual preferences, American Airlines is pleased to offer any o the entrees listed below for your Dine Upon Request selection, presented all at once at any time you wish during the flight.

Seared Salmon
Roasted Chicken and Swiss Cheese Sandwich
Soup du Jour

THE DESSERT CART

Breyers Homemade Vanilla Ice Cream with a choice of Hot Fudge, Butterscotch or seasonal fruit toppings and fresh Whipped Cream

or

FRUIT AND CHEESE

A selection of seasonal Fruit and fine cheese'


The accompanying wine list was as follows:

'SPARKLING WINE

Domaine Chandon Napa Valley Brut

WHITE WINES

Buena Vista Carneros Reserve Chardonnay

Clos du Bois Sonoma County Pinot Grigio

RED WINES

Lambert Bridge Sonoma County Merlot

Geyser Peak Sonoma County Shiraz

DESSERT WINE

Graham's Six Grapes Port NV

BEVERAGES

Spirits
SKYY Vodka, Tanqueray Gin, Bacardi Rum, Glenlivet Single Malt Scotch, Maker's Mark Bourbon, Crown Royal Canadian Whisky, Dewar's White Label Scotch Whisky, Jack Daniel's Tennessee Whisky

Beers
Heineken, Amstel Light and select U.S. Beers

Brandy and Liqueurs
Di Saronno Amaretto, Baileys Irish Cream, Kahlua, Courvoisier V.S.O.P. Fine Champagne Cognac

Other Beverages
Carbonated Beverages, American Airlines Premium Blend Regular and Decaffeinated Coffee, Tea, Fruit Juices, Milk'


We pushed back really rather late, considering this was a 10am departure we weren't on the move until closer to 10.30am and it was only about to get worse!

We taxied round the back of JFK and beside runway 31L and I noticed a BA747 moving rather quickly. At 10.30am it was a bit early for an inbound from LHR and then I saw the nose come off the ground and it took off! I thought this was odd as I had seen this aircraft pushback almost 2hrs before! As we turned parallel to runway 4L it became apparent why....the line of aircraft was like nothing I'd seen before. Tails as far as the eye could see! We got in the queue behind a JetBlue EMB170 and a North American 767, an airline I'd never heard of but I could see five of their aircraft at the same time so maybe I should have...

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The 27 strong line in wait for takeoff at JFK

The captain announced for the benefit of those on the port side why the other half of the aircraft were all of a sudden itching to hit the lavatories and it was decided to allow people to go to the bathroom one at a time although the seatbelt sign was left on. I reclined my seat some distance and pulled the blanket over me as I watched planes in the distance depart. One by one we crawled nearer the threshold of 31L and by the time we took off at 11.30am I had been onboard for 2hrs!  Smile Just another five and a bit to go!


Video of the takeoff of AA245 JFK-LAX. Note the condensation patterns forming in the engine during the takeoff roll

We climbed out through the grim cloud layer and up to an altitude of 38,000ft. Above the weather it could not have been more different, a clear blue sky. Warm nuts were brought round and a glass of Pinot Grigio made it's way to my seat. Virginia then came around with the DVD players which I began to set up. The package included Bose QC2 headphones (although I used my own) a Panasonic DVD player and all the relevant cords to hook it up to the inflight power system plus a DVD booklet with a couple of dozen options  thumbsup 

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Inflight Theater, glass of Pinot Grigio and the staple of American carriers First Class cabins....the hot nuts

A second glass of Pinot Grigio was offered as was another top up of hot nuts which I accepted on both counts. I flicked through the DVD library which included the following options:

Aeon Flux, Tim Burton's Corpse Bride, Firewall, Kiss Kiss,Bang Bang, Million Dollar Baby, Syriana, The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada, Blow, Donnie Brasco, Forrest Gump, A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum, Gangs of New York, The Godfather III, The Great Train Robbery, Harry Potter 2, Independence Day, Legends of the Fall, Memento, Miss Congeniality, Best of Frasier, Jimi Hendrix:Woodstock , Rick Steve's Europe:Ireland, Movie Edition:Scene It? - The DVD Game , The Tavistock Official Film

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The Inflight Theater with DVD library on the left hand side

After some flipping back and forth I eventually chose Donnie Brasco, a film I had been interested in seeing for some time but just not got round to it. The main screen movie had been announced earlier as 'Take The Lead' so I was quite glad to have the DVD player option!

Hot towels were brought round at this stage in preparation for the beginning of the meal service.

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Soup de Jour - Chicken with Wild Rice

The courses were served on a rolling basis, as soon as one was served the next was brought out. Next round was the salad cart and it pulled up next to my seat. I got to choose from peppers, mushrooms, zucchini and tomatoes.

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The Salad Cart comes to town....mushrooms, peppers and balsamic vinaigrette

Once the salad was gone it was time for the Roasted Chicken and Swiss sandwich, in my mind a slightly odd choice for a Flagship Service First Class with a pretty hefty premium over the 2 class services but frankly I had little option  Wink It wasn't that it tasted bad, it's just this isn't the right cabin on the aircraft for this kind of entree. I do understand that until just a few months ago that the Flagship Service warranted something more along the lines of my thinking but alas fell victim to the never ending string of cost cutting measures.

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Roasted Chicken and Swiss Cheese offered on Ciabatta Bread accented by Chipotle Ranch spread

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The view from 3J

The captain had informed us before takeoff at JFK that our route was to take us towards Pittsburgh, PA and in pretty much a straight line from there down to Four Points National Monument over the Grand Canyon and south of Las Vegas to Los Angeles. Being used to predominantly flying transatlantic I had my eye out the window at various points once the skies cleared up, almost continuously trying to work out whereabouts we were.

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I thought this was Cleveland, OH at the time but now I'm not so sure. Cookie to anyone who knows  Wink

Despite the interesting view which took us over Milwaukee at one point (well I think!) the FAs made a number of announcements for those passengers to shut their blinds if they weren't looking out of the window so those watching the movie can enjoy it 'sans glare'. Having four windows to myself when reclined I felt a little selfish not closing at least one so closed the most forward and peeked out of the others every now and then to make sure the other three didn't fall victim to such pedantry.

I took a few minutes to give my stomach a break and then the dessert trolley was wheeled in my direction for the finale, the made to order sundae.

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Breyers Homemade Vanilla Ice Cream with Hot Fudge and fresh Whipped Cream

Virginia was doing an excellent job at keeping everyone stocked up on both drinks and food and with a smile too. After the remains of my dessert were removed she came round with a top up for my Pinot Grigio and a bottle of water. She struck up conversation asking where I was from and going, she seemed surprised to see a Brit living in Richmond, VA and heading to Seattle was on a JFK-LAX flight  biggrin . We chatted for a few minutes and told her I was recently married and she offered congratulations and mentioned that she was approaching her 35th anniversary. She certainly felt more genuine and honest than chats with other FAs I have come across.  thumbsup 

Some time later Donnie Brasco came to an end, a pretty good movie, and for once onboard an aircraft I hadn't fallen asleep and missed the conclusion! By this stage we were over the flyover states. Perfectly straight roads running parallel to each other and irrigation circles were punctuated by the odd piece of slightly hilly terrain. While some find it very boring I find it amazing how uniform it appears and for several hundred miles!

I fetched out my mp3 player and listened to an old favorite album from Yello, I blame my Dad for my taste in music  Wink I felt quite at home with my seat reclined to an lazy angle, the blanket pulled over me, listening to music with the odd peek out the window as the scenery began to change as we approached the Rockies.

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And yes...the bear enjoyed the seat too  Wink

'Take The Lead' ended on the main screen and it was seen appropriate to follow it up with some positively ancient episodes of 'Taxi' starring Judd Hirsch as well as some of the pretty dreadful looking 'How I Met Your Mother'. Even without sound the latter seemed dire so I kept my eyes trained out of the window.

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Looks like the Grand Canyon to me...

I kept my eyes open for various landmarks and just as I was wondering if we'd see Las Vegas lo and behold right on cue Lake Mead, the Hoover Dam and the aforementioned city appear just a few miles behind. This seemed to be the indicator to the crew that it was time for the last offered drinks round and I kept the tradition of the last few hours of accepting water at every opportunity which on this flight was about every fifteen to twenty minutes.

As we came over San Bernardino and into the Los Angeles basin I began to clear all my accouterments away and my DVD player was packed up and handed back. I did experience some problems with stowing my footrest although Virginia came over and with a smile insisted it was 'operator malfunction'. Indeed within just a few seconds it was out of the way leaving me rather red faced although it did make me feel better when Mr 3B experienced the same thing  Smile

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Flying over Ontario, CA on approach to LAX

We landed at LAX on 25L a shade over five and half hours since leaving JFK with a UA Express Regional Jet beside us approaching one of the 24s. The weather was infinitely better than NYC and the SoCal sun beating down was very welcome.  Smile

The 767 was pulled up at Gate 42B a short hop from the Admirals Club and Flagship Lounge where I'd spend the next couple of hours before moving to Terminal 3 to catch my Alaska Airlines flight to Seattle. At the entrance to the empty Flagship Lounge I spoke with the guy about the various airlines and customer service, a good old rant for about five minutes or so  biggrin 

I helped myself to a few nibbles and grabbed an ice cold Corona with matching frozen glass  bigthumbsup  A few announcements were made regarding extremely delayed flights going to and coming from DFW. I called my wife who was at this time at Richmond back in Virginia awaiting her flight to DFW and asked her to enquire about being moved to flights via Chicago or St Louis. Her flight out of Richmond had been put back 90mins and I was concerned she'd be marooned at DFW...

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American Airlines & Qantas International First Class Lounge at LAX

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The view from the Flagship Lounge: American Airlines aircraft of all shapes and sizes...

I supped on my Corona or two and relaxed for the ninety minutes before vacating to Terminal 3.

Verdict: Well to be quite honest I really enjoyed this flight, the lounges at both ends were really good, although a bit more food wouldn't go amiss. The staff across the length of the journey were really rather excellent, especially Virginia, the FA in First Class who really is one of the best I have come across in recent years.

As for the in-flight experience itself, the seat despite the dated appearance is perfect for this length of journey. It provides masses of room in row 3 and is
just what the doctor ordered in terms of width and recline. Of course having 3H free was a real bonus. The DVD Player was very welcome and a great addition to the service and it saves carrying one around in one's carry-on, of course, laptop toting folks need not apply!

My only gripe was with the food which could really do with livening up. At $2300 each way the food in the front cabin on the Flagship Service could really do with a little tweaking. The salad cart and sundae are fine but having a sandwich as an entree option doesn't really cut the mustard to be honest  Sad

Overall though I got off the flight with a smile on my face and would certainly fly the 767-200 up front again. I know plenty of people claim UA's Premium Service kicks AA Flagship Service out of the park but for me 95% of the AA service was fine  thumbsup 

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: BMIFlyer
Posted 2006-07-12 20:22:43 and read 32767 times.

Fantastic Big grin

Great reading, and pics too  bigthumbsup 



Lee

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: 767747
Posted 2006-07-12 20:34:09 and read 32767 times.

Fbgdavidson,

Excellent report! The pictures are terrific! AA Flagship Service looks pretty good to me. I have quite a lot of AA miles, so I'll hopefully use them on a flight like this soon. I'll agree that the sandwich should be a snack rather than a lunch entree for a flagship service. I'm looking forward to more reports!

[Edited 2006-07-12 20:37:18]

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Dimoko
Posted 2006-07-12 21:09:38 and read 32767 times.

great report, i was looking on google earth for where that was, but i dont know. it is definately NOT cleveland, because it is a denser area than that.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (p
Username: Planecrazy2
Posted 2006-07-12 21:24:02 and read 32767 times.

Nice report, I enjoyed all the pictures of the 762 transcon like always. I do agree the sandwich especially in F is not what should be served. The downgrade in service in the premium cabins on this route pushed me to UA. The sundae looks amazing though.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Lucky727
Posted 2006-07-12 21:57:15 and read 32767 times.

A great report, Fbgd  thumbsup 

- one question, from having read so many of your reports...Do you ever not fly in F??  cheeky 
I agree with you about the food service, though - at 2300 bucks that's one expensive sandwich!

Lucky

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Fbgdavidson
Posted 2006-07-12 22:24:49 and read 32767 times.

OK, thought I'd chip in here...Firstly though, thanks for the positive responses  Smile I'm proofreading the rest of the outbound trip to post within the next few minutes.

Quoting Dimoko (Reply 3):
great report, i was looking on google earth for where that was, but i dont know. it is definately NOT cleveland, because it is a denser area than that.

No cookie for you  Wink

I used the map off Flightaware and Google Maps but am having no luck! Onboard I presumed it was Cleveland because of the airport and the fact it was by Lake Erie. Having looked at Google Maps it clearly isn't Cleveland but then I can't find anywhere like it. The airport with runway facing into Lake Erie and the inland lake should be a giveaway!

Quoting Lucky727 (Reply 5):
- one question, from having read so many of your reports...Do you ever not fly in F??  

I flew Y from BOS-LGA on US on the way home. I thought it was a single class service being such a short flight but laughed when it was announced that 'First Class could board at their leisure'  biggrin . I wouldn't have paid for F on that route so would have been in Y either way.

I felt so dirty afterwards  Wink

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Mhodgson
Posted 2006-07-12 22:36:36 and read 32767 times.

Great report, as usual - Am I weird for wanting to sit in that queue for so long? Though I would only like it if I was on the runway side!

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Lucky727
Posted 2006-07-12 22:39:58 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 6):
I felt so dirty afterwards

bloomin' cheek!

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Woody
Posted 2006-07-13 00:45:52 and read 32767 times.

It's been a long time since I last posted but I'm pretty sure I know where the picture was taken.

I think that its Muskegon, MI. If you look at google earth you can see that the airport, lake and dunes in the north are in the right locations. That means that the lake isn't Erie, but Michigan.

What kind of cookie is it?  Wink

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Fbgdavidson
Posted 2006-07-13 01:02:37 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Lucky727 (Reply 8):
bloomin' cheek!

Joking around  Wink

Quoting Woody (Reply 9):
I think that its Muskegon, MI. If you look at google earth you can see that the airport, lake and dunes in the north are in the right locations. That means that the lake isn't Erie, but Michigan.

What kind of cookie is it?  Wink

We have a winner of an imaginary cookie!  Wink

I considered it to be Lake Erie because I'm sure we flew over two large bodies of water and I took that photo just as we were passing over the first one.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Skoker
Posted 2006-07-13 01:52:58 and read 32767 times.

Awesome TR! I love to see domestic first class TR's!

Only one small problem I saw: JetBlue doesn't fly EMB-170's, they fly the EMB-190.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: FXramper
Posted 2006-07-13 02:13:14 and read 32767 times.

Excellent trip report. One of the top 3 I've ever read.  checkmark   yes 

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Comorin
Posted 2006-07-13 02:40:47 and read 32767 times.

Excellent Trip Report - thanks for sharing the journey with us.

I couldn't agree with you more about the Ciabatta Sandwich - it belongs more in a Y 'Deli in the Sky' type pack than in F. I'm also not crazy about the Sundae - they should offer an alternative dessert.

I noticed you had the little bottle of salad dressing - how does it compare with BA's version?

I hope you will try UA's ps service someday because it's really topnotch, and it would be interesting to read your comparo.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Touchdown777
Posted 2006-07-13 03:04:17 and read 32767 times.

One of the best TR's I've read/seen yet.

I must say ... great pics and videos. What I would give to roam around JFK in that chopper. Also, it's nice to see what the T9 Admiral's Lounge looks like. Very nice!

Also, thanks for including the take off 31L video.. 'twas awesome

T7

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: RoseFlyer
Posted 2006-07-13 03:19:15 and read 32767 times.

Great trip report like all the others you write. AA flagship service looks very nice. I do however agree that the entree was not as good as it should be. I would expect premium transcon routes to have at least the quality of international business class, but it didn't seem that way. Afterall LHR-JFK isn't that much longer than JFK-LAX.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: 777fan
Posted 2006-07-13 03:19:37 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Thread starter):
I thought this was Cleveland, OH at the time but now I'm not so sure. Cookie to anyone who knows



Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 6):
I used the map off Flightaware and Google Maps but am having no luck! Onboard I presumed it was Cleveland because of the airport and the fact it was by Lake Erie. Having looked at Google Maps it clearly isn't Cleveland but then I can't find anywhere like it. The airport with runway facing into Lake Erie and the inland lake should be a giveaway!

The scenary in that pic looks like the western Michigan coastline (along Lake Michigan). You can send my Chips Ahoy elsewhere - I need to drop a few pounds.


777fan

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: QANTAS077
Posted 2006-07-13 03:39:21 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Thread starter):
At $2300 each way the food in the front cabin on the Flagship Service could really do with a little tweaking.

for that money i can fly across the pacific return in Business class on Qantas...nice report.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Triple7man
Posted 2006-07-13 04:36:38 and read 32767 times.

Excellent trip report with pix and video. I remember flying on AA 245 a little over 2 years ago. Then it was MIA-LAX on a 777. It was a 3 class flight. That was a favorite flight for passengers on that route, but shortly after I flew it (March 2004) they took the 777 off that route.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Delta732FF
Posted 2006-07-13 09:29:28 and read 32767 times.

Great report and pictures. Thanks for sharing.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Wrighbrothers
Posted 2006-07-13 14:55:19 and read 32767 times.

Another great trip report Mr.Davidson  Smile
I really must write a trip report of my own, maybe i'll write my trip to LAX and back on BA this summer.

So, I must ask, any trips planned on BA ?  Wink

Alistair

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Fbgdavidson
Posted 2006-07-13 15:54:51 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Skoker (Reply 11):
Only one small problem I saw: JetBlue doesn't fly EMB-170's, they fly the EMB-190

Sorry!  Sad I'm not too up on my Embraer range!

Quoting FXramper (Reply 12):
Excellent trip report. One of the top 3 I've ever read.      

Thanks  Smile Nice to know the effort is worthwhile

Quoting Comorin (Reply 13):
I noticed you had the little bottle of salad dressing - how does it compare with BA's version?

Hmm....salad dressing, schmalad dressing  Wink

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 15):
AA flagship service looks very nice. I do however agree that the entree was not as good as it should be. I would expect premium transcon routes to have at least the quality of international business class, but it didn't seem that way.

To be honest this was very much along my own line of thinking, though I forgot to mention it in the report!

Quoting 777fan (Reply 16):
The scenary in that pic looks like the western Michigan coastline (along Lake Michigan). You can send my Chips Ahoy elsewhere

The imaginary Chips Ahoy went to Woody  Wink

Quoting Triple7man (Reply 18):
I remember flying on AA 245 a little over 2 years ago. Then it was MIA-LAX on a 777. It was a 3 class flight. That was a favorite flight for passengers on that route, but shortly after I flew it (March 2004) they took the 777 off that route.

Interesting that AA move the flight numbers about onto different routes, judging by the departures board in the Admirals Club it seems most of the JFK-LAX flights have pretty low numbers (AA1, AA19 etc)

Much like the folks on the MIA-LAX route I really liked flying this length of flight on a widebody. More space, better facilities etc certainly preferable to the 757 I flew back on.

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 20):
So, I must ask, any trips planned on BA ?  

Tomorrow  Smile
IAD-LHR in F then to Jersey on Monday (Club Europe, natch  Wink) and back on Tuesday evening. Returning to the US in a couple of weeks. Looking forward to it.  Smile

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Wrighbrothers
Posted 2006-07-13 16:17:05 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 21):
Tomorrow

Ahh

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 21):
IAD-LHR in F then to Jersey on Monday (Club Europe, natch ) and back on Tuesday evening.

I've been thinking about doing some cheap flying (non-rev), and here's the plan:
LHR-AMS-LGW-JER-MAN-LHR (all in one day), hopefully in Club
One question, why does JER have club europe, isn't Jersy considered part of the U.K ?

Safe flying
Alistair

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2006-07-14 00:03:48 and read 32767 times.

Great report!

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Thread starter):
The 27 strong line in wait for takeoff at JFK

Oh, for the days when if it was the dinner hour, nearly every single one of those in line would have been a 747 heading for Europe.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Kevin752
Posted 2006-07-14 04:03:20 and read 32767 times.

Great report. But... you were not seated in Flaship class dude. You had domestic first class seating which is the same thing you would get flying on an AA 738 in first class. Flagship is only on 1 aircraft type which is the 777's. Make sure you know the difference. Nice pics though and I am sure AA treated u well as they do when u get first class. I do not want to appear mean but I just wanted to let u know the difference because flagship does not exist on domestic flights inless they are on the 777.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Fbgdavidson
Posted 2006-07-14 04:41:52 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Kevin752 (Reply 24):
But... you were not seated in Flaship class dude. You had domestic first class seating which is the same thing you would get flying on an AA 738 in first class.

Err, I was seated in First Class on a Flagship Service flight and the experienced folks on Flyertalk confirmed that on this thread when I was finding out about AA245 here. I believe all the 3 Class Domestic Service flights on the 767-200 are classified as Flagship Service but this config is only found on a limited number of routes such as JFK-SFO and JFK-LAX flights.

This seating was certainly not the same as the domestic F seating in the 737-800! The pictures are testiment to that, I had about four feet between the front of my seat and the back of the one in front!

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2006-07-14 04:46:46 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Kevin752 (Reply 24):
But... you were not seated in Flaship class dude. You had domestic first class seating which is the same thing you would get flying on an AA 738 in first class. Flagship is only on 1 aircraft type which is the 777's. Make sure you know the differe

Kevin, sorry dude.

Transcontinental flights offering 3-class service is correctly known as:

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Thread starter):
AA Flagship Service

See: http://www.aa.com/content/urls/service.jhtml

Make sure you know the difference.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: ThereAndBack
Posted 2006-07-17 10:16:54 and read 32767 times.

I flew out of JFK 2 days later and the weather was still like this  Sad
Great report and good pictures too!

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: VHVXB
Posted 2006-07-17 13:13:34 and read 32767 times.

Hey fbgdavidson that was an excellent trip report and excellent quality pictures. I've read several of your trip reports and they never cease to amaze me. Keep it up.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Crdaus
Posted 2006-07-17 14:18:57 and read 32767 times.

You were wise to take the JFK-LAX route with AA rather than from BOS. 1st class on AA out of BOS is awful as I reported a few weeks ago....

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Fbgdavidson
Posted 2006-07-21 15:17:59 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Crdaus (Reply 29):
You were wise to take the JFK-LAX route with AA rather than from BOS. 1st class on AA out of BOS is awful as I reported a few weeks ago....

Well I did fly SFO-BOS on the way home it wasn't quite the same without the massive amounts of legroom, DVD players etc
AS/AA First Class & US Airways: SEA-RIC (pics) (by Fbgdavidson Jul 13 2006 in Trip Reports)

I had a pretty unrestricted ticket so rebooked the BOS-SFO-SEA legs to BOS-JFK-LAX-SEA. Thought for the sake of getting up an hour earlier and hopping to JFK it was worth getting the FS. I wasn't disappointed!  Smile

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Kdtwflyer
Posted 2006-07-21 17:37:46 and read 32767 times.

http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/4168/dsc028124ib.jpg

Most definintely the Muskegon area. That dune at the top of the picture is at Silver Lake State Park. And the airport is MKG as said above.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Pilot3033
Posted 2006-07-22 05:19:50 and read 32767 times.

Just noticed this thread, about to do this exact flight (AA245 on Sat the 22nd). I flew AAFirst on AAL2 LAX-JFK. I have to say, you missed the greatest part of the LAX AA lounge, the TBIT side. Great view of all the TBIT heavies, not to mention, in the mornings when both QFA 744s are sitting at the gates, it's quite a thrill to stand inbetween them. (The lounge is just above the aircraft so you could look down and wave to the QFA pilots in the cockpit  Smile ) When I was there last Friday I also got a nice view of the construction for the A380 gates, it's looking good. However, not going to do a full trip report, my only camera was my cellphone, and I didn't gett anything good. (Was a nice Reg# huntring trip though, flew N329AA LAX-JFK, and got a bunch from some 738s and a MD.)

I've done the UA p.s. JFK-LAX, and I have to say it was comperable. The 777 lie-flat seats are ok, but they seemed odd on that route, and I tend not to sleep anyway. Not to mention the AA seats feel (if not are) wider, and IMO more comfertable. The only differance was the crew, the UA FAs could have cared less, but the Captain came back to shake everyones hand. On the other hand AA had/has a fantastic crew on this route, all smiles ready willing and happy to do their jobs to the best of their ability. Not to mention, the AA terminals in both LAX and JFK kick UA's out of the water.

Glad you hade a nice experiance abord AA, if anything is out of the norm on my flight back I will report back here  Smile.
-Matt

P.S. My only recent gripe with AA was the time it took for my bags to get from the plane to the baggage claim @ JFK (1h 45m). The issue had to do with the AA ground crew so I don't blame the airline as much (one time deal, e-mail AA, they know what's up). One of those service industry going down the tubes/ground crew getting paid to much to sit with their thumbs in their ass kind of things.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (p
Username: Jyatlantic
Posted 2006-07-22 15:26:23 and read 32767 times.

Very good report of AA's three class coast to coast service. Unfortunetely IMO AA can no longer compete with UA on these routes ever since P.S. was introducted. I just travelled 3 legs in P.S F and will be doing a trip report soon.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: SkyvanMan
Posted 2006-07-28 07:20:26 and read 32767 times.

Thanks for the great report, I'm surprised that in First on a premium service flight you would be offered a sandwhich. In First on a UA 767 (one of the ones with barebones First seats, no footrest or lumbar just slight recline and 37 pitch) ORD-LAX they offered 2 choices for the main course of lunch. Shrimp Salad or Stuffed Chicken, but that was the only food they offered aside from the nuts so your food service was definitely much better.
ANyways I have one quick question. If you were flying domestic First why did you get acess to the International First Lounge, isn't that only for ticketed international first class passengers?

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Fbgdavidson
Posted 2006-08-01 02:38:05 and read 32767 times.

I've uploaded the rest of my pictures onto an album on Imagestation, for those interested you can find it here:
AA Flagship Service: New York JFK - Los Angeles (July 2006)

Quoting Pilot3033 (Reply 32):
I have to say, you missed the greatest part of the LAX AA lounge, the TBIT side. Great view of all the TBIT heavies, not to mention, in the mornings when both QFA 744s are sitting at the gates, it's quite a thrill to stand inbetween them.

I had a fridge full of chilled Coronas. I missed nothing  Wink

Joking aside, I did pop in the AC quickly before I left and saw a China Southern (or maybe Eastern?) A346. The one thing that struck me was how busy it was. If there were two other people in the Flagship Lounge I didn't see them!

Quoting Pilot3033 (Reply 32):
On the other hand AA had/has a fantastic crew on this route, all smiles ready willing and happy to do their jobs to the best of their ability. Not to mention, the AA terminals in both LAX and JFK kick UA's out of the water.

I have to say the crew on this flight were superb  thumbsup  Virginia who dealt with me on this flight couldn't have done much more to be quite honest.

Quoting SkyvanMan (Reply 34):
If you were flying domestic First why did you get acess to the International First Lounge, isn't that only for ticketed international first class passengers?

I was connecting on to another flight on an AA itinerary (although it was Alaskan) and my inbound F class ticket gave access to the FL. I did ask on Flyertalk and was given a proper answer but it passes me by at this time!

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Flight7E7
Posted 2006-09-19 12:04:15 and read 32767 times.

Just flew AA SCL-MIA (IFS) 767-300 C Class....Redone interior, (dreamliner or 777 design) plane was immaculate (unlike UA) food service, crew were exemplary...sampled the new menu-and several people I traveled with remarked about it as well-how it had vastly improved...SO...there has been a VAST and NOTICEABLE improvement at AA for premium pax just in the last 2-3 months. Looking forward to the new seats, of course-in due time we shall see.

BTW- connection on AA 880/F MIA-PHL was delayed 4 1/2 hours, windshield issue (Monday, Sept 11, 2006-of all days). Just received an email from AA cust. service, gave me 7000 miles for the inconvenience-and I did NOT say a word or send any gripes (have not had time to). I am floored.

UA bumped me out of F last April on a long haul to SEL (PHL-LAX portion) due to some computer glitch.....still awaiting the refund and an apology. NOTHING.

So, been a long time since UA has had any revenue from me-AA takes it now domestic F/C and J. Now-AA, please get rid of the plastic.....others have and it seems to be a safe assumption (although nothing is ever really secure though is it)....

However, truth be known-when will SQ begin East Coast-transcon service, throw in BA and CX for good measure too!

Cheers!  airplane   bigthumbsup   cheerful 

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Vega
Posted 2006-09-20 08:47:46 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Thread starter):

I'm shocked you didn't rant about the PLASTIC - after all it does, psychologically at least, reduce the taste and presentation of the food to near McDs quality.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: LY777
Posted 2006-09-20 10:14:47 and read 32767 times.

I flew exactly the same route with the same a/c and the same airline in Y in August, it was HORRIBLE!!!

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Fbgdavidson
Posted 2006-09-30 23:24:28 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Vega (Reply 37):
I'm shocked you didn't rant about the PLASTIC - after all it does, psychologically at least, reduce the taste and presentation of the food to near McDs quality.

Indeed, the week before I'd heard that AA had introduced metal cutlery onto longhaul international flights so was 50/50 about whether it'd reached this flight, being a 'Flagship Service' flight I'd expected it to be one of the first to get metal cutlery back.

To be honest it didn't make much difference as I ate the sandwich with my hands (eek!). Although I did eat the gherking that came with it with knife and fork....with difficulty!

Eating soup with a plastic spoon felt really odd though. Metal cutlery really makes a difference, aesthetically, in how the passenger perceives their worth to the airline and of course practically etc.

Quoting LY777 (Reply 38):
I flew exactly the same route with the same a/c and the same airline in Y in August, it was HORRIBLE!!!

Y does tend to be horrible  Wink

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: ClassicLover
Posted 2006-09-30 23:41:20 and read 32767 times.

Excellent report as usual!

The service is definitely a notch above the two class transcontinental flight I took earlier this year. That said, I chose the two class service so I could be in F rather than J on the RTW ticket.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Waleckdaddy
Posted 2006-12-15 10:47:38 and read 32767 times.

I had a trip about a year ago, LAX-JFK redeye in First on a 767-200. I liked it as much as you did... The F seats are a bit outdated compared to the Business seats behind, but they really are pretty comfy! I had that solo seat in the middle - and I thought it was the best seat in the house!! About SIX FEET of leg room and a perfect view of the movie screen. I could have flown another 10 hours - no problem!! There were several small things I could complain about the AA flight vs. other domestic F class, but you won't find the same personal space as that one "aisles" seat anywhere else - even on UA P.S.!! I remember taking the 767-200 from LAX to IAD when I was a kid, back when they had the same layout and spacing, except with the older style seats (The one's with the "Tan Fuzz" on the seats). I remember walking by those first class seats during boarding and always wanted to just sit in them. Last year I finally got the chance to!

Mike

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Hamster
Posted 2006-12-17 05:56:24 and read 32767 times.

2300 for a Chicken Sandwich? AA ... please.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Comorin
Posted 2006-12-21 00:27:49 and read 32767 times.

I flew R/T recently EWR - LAX on AA 'F' in a 757. I was really looking forward to a luxurious flight based on FBG's experience. However, it was really disappointing - the seats were the old AA seats with minimum recline, no Personal Entertainment - quite uncomfortable.

What happened? Isn't F the same on all AA flights? Is it something to do with 2 vs 3 class service? How can I avoid these 'faux' F cabins in the future?

Grateful for any advice - thanks.

PS: I did have a nice time on the return leg, sitting next to Wendie Malik ('Just Shoot Me') - what a kind and charming person she is!  Smile

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Planecrazy2
Posted 2006-12-21 00:49:29 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 43):
What happened? Isn't F the same on all AA flights? Is it something to do with 2 vs 3 class service? How can I avoid these 'faux' F cabins in the future?

F is not the same on all flights. 3 class F is up to a much higher standard as well as 3 class C. Domestic F on 2 class planes is never as good. An F seat on a 3 class bird is quite a bit more expensive though.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Comorin
Posted 2006-12-21 01:03:51 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Planecrazy2 (Reply 44):
F is not the same on all flights. 3 class F is up to a much higher standard as well as 3 class C. Domestic F on 2 class planes is never as good. An F seat on a 3 class bird is quite a bit more expensive though.

Thank you for clearing that up- much appreciated ! I had flown on UA p.s. in C JFK-SFO and was mightily impressed. I guess I should to look for the 3-class F on AA transcon to get that experience.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Fbgdavidson
Posted 2006-12-21 05:17:45 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 43):
Isn't F the same on all AA flights? Is it something to do with 2 vs 3 class service? How can I avoid these 'faux' F cabins in the future?

As Planecrazy2 has said the 3 class routes operated by the 767-200 are much more select. JFK-LAX/SFO plus the odd flight to BDA. He also mentions the price differential which is quite high too! The Flagship Service which I did is about $2300 oneway IIRC, whereas the EWR-LAX-EWR in F on the 757 is probably not far off half that if you score a KUP/YUP.

MIA-LAX-MIA has an international 777 doing once daily trip I believe which is sold as 3 classes. There is a flight between DFW and ORD that is operated by an intl. 777 that is sold as two classes.

Domestically the better F cabins on AA are the 767-300 and 767-200. The 763 operates quite a few routes but is only a two class affair.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Comorin
Posted 2006-12-21 15:53:37 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 46):
As Planecrazy2 has said the 3 class routes operated by the 767-200 are much more select. JFK-LAX/SFO plus the odd flight to BDA. He also mentions the price differential which is quite high too! The Flagship Service which I did is about $2300 oneway IIRC, whereas the EWR-LAX-EWR in F on the 757 is probably not far off half that if you score a KUP/YUP.

Yes, my flight from EWR was a cheapie (YUP)! I guess you get what you pay for.

Btw, many thanks for the many helpful tips you've posted last year, and have a happy Christmas!

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: TUGMASTER
Posted 2006-12-21 17:05:00 and read 32767 times.

Fbgdavidson From United Kingdom (England),

Good day Sir,

Great trip report,very comprehensive.

I think the difference really is the attentiveness or not of the crew..... if you get a good crew, it relly wouldn't matter if you had to sit all the way back in ........ Business......aarggh...

BTW, i think the two gents that were already seated in First were probably FAM's.... after a while they become very easy to spot.

rgds

Tugmaster

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Chris78cpr
Posted 2006-12-22 01:20:42 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 46):
There is a flight between DFW and ORD that is operated by an intl. 777 that is sold as two classes.

That is AA66/67 i belive. Have flown the route in both directions.

It is a continuation of the flight from LHR and the other way it continues to LHR.

This flight is served by a T7 and is sold as a Y/F flight. Elites can book a Y fare and assign themselves a J class seat. However in my experience it is hard to get this done if you book it as a thru flight from LHR. They dont seem to like assigning you two different seats for what seems like one flight.

This flight is also SO SO hard to get a sticker upgrade on it. I have only flown it as a plat before and had no luck upgrading to the suites, sat in J both times.

As an EXP now i will be trying again in March, maybe i'll get put in the suites that time.

In regards to the report, another good one. The lounge at LAX i think is really very good, nice and airy and feels very relaxed.

I do not like flying LAX-JFK or vice versa, i find the flight on the 762 to be awful, horrid in Y and in J it isn't as bad but not great.

Cheers, Chris

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Stretch 8
Posted 2006-12-24 05:52:31 and read 32767 times.

Fraser: Excellent report, as is your norm. You must be doing something right to be flying around the world on BA, UA and AA in F class  Wink . To see how the other 9/10s of us travel by air, check out my recent Y class trip report IAD-LAX return. Cheers!

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Mir
Posted 2006-12-25 20:27:22 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Thread starter):
North American 767, an airline I'd never heard of but I could see five of their aircraft at the same time so maybe I should have...

North American is a charter airline that's pretty common at JFK.

-Mir

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Fbgdavidson
Posted 2007-01-09 02:47:58 and read 32767 times.

Apologies but I hadn't noticed that people had commented! Sorry for the late replies.

For the people further up who said try UA p.s. F I may well be doing that later in the year.  Smile My brother-in-law lives in the Bay Area and I am looking at going mildly out of the way in order to try p.s. F so expect a comparison report between AA Flagship Service and it later in the year  Smile

Quoting Comorin (Reply 47):
Yes, my flight from EWR was a cheapie (YUP)! I guess you get what you pay for.

I feel fortunate that as a relatively educated traveller I am aware of things like this, however for the uninitiated it must be completely bewildering...

Quoting Comorin (Reply 47):
Btw, many thanks for the many helpful tips you've posted last year, and have a happy Christmas!

And a belated happy Xmas to you too!

Quoting TUGMASTER (Reply 48):
I think the difference really is the attentiveness or not of the crew..... if you get a good crew, it relly wouldn't matter if you had to sit all the way back in ........ Business......aarggh...

BTW, i think the two gents that were already seated in First were probably FAM's.... after a while they become very easy to spot.

I was fortunate enough to get a good crew, Virginia was really excellent. To be honest if she hadn't been this report may have been a more horrible read!

As for the FAMs well I've lost count now of how many times I've been waiting at the gate area and I've seen guys flash IDs to the gate agent and get escorted aboard well ahead of the top tier / F flyers. The program is seriously flawed, although maybe like speed cameras the idea is to be seen...

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 49):
In regards to the report, another good one. The lounge at LAX i think is really very good, nice and airy and feels very relaxed.

Indeed. I was pleasantly surprised by the FL at LAX, a world away from your average Admirals Club.

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 49):
I do not like flying LAX-JFK or vice versa, i find the flight on the 762 to be awful, horrid in Y and in J it isn't as bad but not great.

F is nice, in fact flying BOS-West Coast I'd go out of my way to fly via JFK to get the 762 to get the much better seats. Of course getting the 762 on the BOS-West Coast runs would be even better  Smile

Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 50):
Fraser: Excellent report, as is your norm. You must be doing something right to be flying around the world on BA, UA and AA in F class   . To see how the other 9/10s of us travel by air, check out my recent Y class trip report IAD-LAX return. Cheers!

If it makes you feel better I was one of the 9/10s last month.  biggrin  I managed to get a great UA fare from Richmond to OAK to see my brother-in-law's martial arts test. Thanks to *G status I got upgraded to E+ or exit rows on all flights possible  thumbsup ...and yes now it is upgraded. Unless you are E+ Access or UA elite you don't get it pre-assigned any more. Combining the extra legroom with RCC access it wasn't too bad at all.

Quoting Mir (Reply 51):
North American is a charter airline that's pretty common at JFK.

Thanks for the info  thumbsup 

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: SNATH
Posted 2007-01-09 03:46:26 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 52):
Unless you are E+ Access or UA elite you don't get it pre-assigned any more.

Yeah, the bastards...

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 52):
Thanks to *G status I got upgraded to E+ or exit rows on all flights possible

So, for future reference, how did you manage that. Did you just ask at check-in?

Tony

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Fbgdavidson
Posted 2007-01-09 04:07:20 and read 32767 times.

Quoting SNATH (Reply 53):
So, for future reference, how did you manage that. Did you just ask at check-in?

Yes, in part. I only booked a couple of weeks in advance was given horrible assignments or none at all. All middle seats apart from the ERJ flights.

I flew RIC-ORD-DEN-OAK and back and here's how it panned out:
RIC - Asked and was given exit row in E- on 777 for ORD-DEN. Apparently couldn't get seat changed on DEN-OAK, and was told to try at ORD and DEN.
ORD RCC - Told to ask at DEN about E+.
DEN RCC - Asked upon entry and given exit row on 757 next to 7ft tall man about an hour before departure.

On the way home I had to use kiosk at OAK and was offered $64 (or thereabouts) upsell to E+ but decided to chance my arm with the GA. On my way up to the gate I was paged and handed upgraded boarding pass for OAK-DEN. Enquired about upgrade to E+ on DEN-ORD and was given one.

To be honest with the UA elites and E+ access folks in E+ already *G are theoretically at the top of the list for being moved up. I think the proportion of E+ seats to E- seats means upgrades shouldn't be much of a problem.

It was my first time flying UA Y since the new rules were introduced and frankly if my experiences are like those above I'm happy to fly them again on my cheapo trips.

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: SNATH
Posted 2007-01-10 11:59:05 and read 32767 times.

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 54):

Thanks for the explanation.

So, I'm also *A Gold (with AC, are you with bmi by any chance?) and have been annoyed by UA's decision to discontinue E+ for *A Gold flyers. What I find really offensive is that they do not even allow us to pay the $300 for E+ access, which I would have paid, unless we get a UA FF number. And I don't want to get one, I'd rather accumulate miles on my AC account.

In the end, it's their loss. I'm also Gold on AA, which is not as high as Gold on *A, but at least it allows me to choose emergency exit rows on my AA flights. So, UA's decision is really encouraging me to fly AA instead... and I will whenever I can.

Ah, sorry for the rant!

Safe flying,

Tony

Topic: RE: AA Flagship Service: JFK-LAX In First Class (pics)
Username: Fbgdavidson
Posted 2007-01-12 04:24:31 and read 32767 times.

Quoting SNATH (Reply 55):
I'm also *A Gold (with AC, are you with bmi by any chance?)

Lufthansa. Although I also hold BD Gold.

Quoting SNATH (Reply 55):
What I find really offensive is that they do not even allow us to pay the $300 for E+ access, which I would have paid, unless we get a UA FF number. And I don't want to get one, I'd rather accumulate miles on my AC account.

Could you not just have a Mileage Plus account and book your Y tickets using this number to get E+ seating then change the FF number to your AC one? You could even wait and do this in the RCC (if there is one) or at the gate.

Quoting SNATH (Reply 55):
I'm also Gold on AA, which is not as high as Gold on *A, but at least it allows me to choose emergency exit rows on my AA flights. So, UA's decision is really encouraging me to fly AA instead... and I will whenever I can.

I've decided that with E+ I might as well fly UA domestically if on cheap tickets (like with work  Sad) as there is a decent chance of getting a better seat and at least I'm getting full mileage with UA. (UA earns at least 100% miles in all booking classes in BD Diamond Club).

I think the E+ cabins are too big, and the E- cabins too small so the chance of getting E+ with a non-UA*G are high...I think! Well it has worked well for me so far!  Smile


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