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Arkefly AMS-KGS-AMS In Comfort & Economy  
User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7064 times:

Dear readers,

It took me a while to get the time again to write another tripreport from one of my latest flights. This time I decided to cover a report on Arkefly – TUI Airlines, the Dutch section of this large European airline operator. Arkefly used to operate 3 Boeing 767-300ER’s only for a while, although due to the demand on some Mediterranean holiday destinations, they decided to lease in a couple of Airbus A320/321’s for the 2006 summer period.

When we got our tickets for the one week holiday package for Kos, an island of Greece, I saw that our departure time was quite late on the first day. Always a pity, because you loose the first day of your holidays. Mostly resulting in an also late return flight back home. This was the case with us as well. No big deal of course, but personally I don’t like late return flights, as you always have to leave your hotelroom around noon latest. And with temperatures over 25°C, I usually want to take a shower before leaving for the airport to catch my flight back Big grin. Anyway, we can’t change such things…,

We headed for the airport by taking the public transport, which is running very frequently in my neighbourhood and arrived at the airport around 2½ hours before departure. We saw that checkin counter at desk 30 were open for us to checkin ourselves and drop the luggage. As we were holding tickets in Comfort Class on this journey, we didn’t wait long. Arkefly is providing dedicated counters for these passengers.

AMS-KGS
Flight No.: TFL287 Date: 05OCT06
STD: 1815 ATD: 1807
STA: 2235 ATA: 2225
A/C: Airbus A321-231 Reg No.: G-MIDM
Seat: 03F – Comfort Class

My third ride on an Airbus 321, and the second on this same machine.


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When we headed for our gate B19 I noticed that the only Arkefly aircraft was the A321 on lease from bmi british midland. A pity, because I was hoping to jump on their leased A320 from Iberworld. It would become my second ride on G-MIDM, having flown it in the past to LHR when operating for British Midland Aiways.

Boarding started early and finished quickly, doors were closed a few minutes early as well. That was a good sign. We departed even ahead of schedule! Way to go here for Arkefly (I know thay can’t promise these things when you fly on their 767’s  Wink)

The load was not very full, maybe just reaching 75%. This was mainly caused by the time of the year. Dutch school holidays were over, and only the older youth, your parents with children, or the no-children families were travelling. We don’t have problems with this season, as the prices for this period are much cheaper then in high-season. And usually the weather is the same Big grin

The pre-departure safety video was original ‘bmi’ with their typical British cartoons. Also the announcements from the flightdeck came with British accent, so I think that the flightcrew was 100% ‘bmi’ as well. Although the cabincrew was 100% Dutch and from Arkefly themselves.

We took off not much later at runway 24 ‘Kaagbaan’ and turned sharp to the left and heading on our South-East course towards Greece and the sun! Soon after takeoff a Arkefly video came on the dropdown flatscreens and showing their destinations. Also a nice holiday-song, specially made for Arkefly was yelling through the cabin.

To be true, I have to say that I felt very comfortable in the blue fabric bmi-seats. Comfort class is providing 84 cm of legroom which is generous enough to have on such a flight. This A321 was offering a total of 45 Comfort Class seats. Don’t know exactly how many Economy seats were behind the curtain.

The crew offered headphones for 3 Euro’s each. You can listen to the audio/video channel which is located in the armrests of the seats. We listened to our own MP3 players, and saved 6 euro’s here  Smile. Little later we spend this money to buy 2 cappuccino from the bar.



All prices and information were shown in the Arkeflyer, their inflight magazine. Also some destinations were covered, what to do there, about Mediterranean food, about the airlinecompany etc. was written down in this magazine.



We cruised at 33,000ft , via Vienna – Croatia – Bosnia towards Greece. This information came from the flightdeck and they estimated an early arrival at 22:30hrs local time. Weather forecast was 25°C Big grin at the time of landing.

About 1 hour after the first bar-‘service’ the crew came along the aisle a second and last time. Also the selling of perfumes, toys and other articles was done at this moment. They finished quickly, so I guess the crew were no good sellers  Smile.



During the whole flight, short movies were shown on the dropdown screens, including Tom & Jerry cartoons, Mr. Bean, Allo Allo, the comedy ‘Joey’ and an British television edition about cars back from 2004 (!). I think that’s a bit to old. The cars shown are widely available now on the second-hand market and not special anymore Big grin.

When descending for KGS, there was not much to see outside as it was completely dark and it was very uneventful. We landed at runway 33 and parked little later on the apron. Buses were driving us to the terminal building. This drive took about 1 minute, you guess how short the distance was.

We had to wait about 20 minutes at belt no. 2 to get our luggage, but it arrived in good condition. Nothing lost or open. Our holidays started in a good and comfortable way…

~~ ~~ ~~

During the week we enjoyed temperatures between 20°C~28°C and enough sunshine, the nice food. We did some cycling on the island and had a trip to the island of Nissyros were we visited an active volcano.

~~ ~~ ~~

Our touroperator arranged a shuttlebus back to the airport, directly from our hotel. As we used this service, we took the risk of arriving late at the checkin counter, and that we had to queue in a long line of other passengers. But after all we arrived well on time, and it was not very busy at all. Our flight was being checked in at counters 6 & 7. On this way back we were rebooked into Economy Class (we were informed about 4 weeks in advance, so no big deal) and therefore we got seats (window+middle) in the back of the cabin.

KGS-AMS
Flight No.: TFL288 Date: 12OCT06
STD: 2335 ATD: 2359
STA: 0205 ATA: 0233
A/C: Airbus A321-231 Reg No.: G-MIDM
Seat: 23B – Economy Class

My fourth ride on an Airbus 321, and the third on this same machine.


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Boarding at gate number 3 started at 2330hrs. At such an airport that means always having a delay. You just can’t board an A321 in 15 minutes when you are at KGS. Everybody looked tired, and temperature in the cabin was hot, so you even got more sleepy.

When we finally reached our seats (difficult when you are in the back…) I found out my biggest surprise: the legroom!  Sad There was almost no ‘room’ …, and for the whole flight I really wasn’t able to move my legs around. Pff,… one of my worst flights ever, on this fully loaded A321!

I had to ask for a lifevest, because the container underneath my seat was empty. No advance check done by the ladies: very, very bad! It’s against all rules and flight safety. I pushed the button above twice before I was able to request a lifevest. Of course I got one from the crew after asking.

Before takeoff I noticed a lot of traffic on the apron:

G-MONB B752 Monarch for LGW
G-ERAA A320 MYT for GLA
PH-HZL B738 HV for AMS as well
OO-TCI A320 Thomas Cook for BRU
743, a C130 of Hellenic Air Force arriving.

We took off the next day from runway 33, back home. The estimated flight time was almost 3½ hours, and I was trying to sleep and hoping that the flight was passing by quickly. I didn’t give much attention to the ‘service’ and crew performance at all now, so can’t write about it.



After this miserable flight we touched Dutch soil of runway 06 again. I’m surprised to see how often I actually use this runway. It’s definitely on 75% of my flights. The aircraft was heading for spot D6, and I was surprised to see that the engines were stopped on the taxiway and we fully braked. We were waiting about 10 minutes for a towing truck to get us on stand. Nice touch… not ! This was caused due construction work on gate D8 and the taxiway, and done for the safety of the construction workers, but please, why didn’t we get another vacant gate. It’s so quiet at AMS in the middle of the night! And now we even got more delay  Sad.

After disembarking the Airbus (yes, it took a while also), we were soon in the baggage reclaim area. And it was good to find our luggage on the belt within 10 minutes waiting  Smile. So, finally we have something positive here. Our parents (in-law) were waiting for us, and drove us back home for a good and deserved rest!

I think Arkefly is quite a good Dutch charter company, as long as you fly in Comfort Class. Their B767-300’s also offer a small Business Class. Next time we will surely book again in Comfort and pay about 50 euro’s per person extra to get this additional legroom and dedicated check-in at AMS (no dedicated check-in at destination airports). This year’s the company leased a Futura B737-800 for the Mediterranean flights. Additionally they may lease in aircraft on adhoc demand.
The prices of the bar are on par with Transavia (maybe even little cheaper), but the other Dutch operator Martinair is still offering free drinks and a small food-kit.
I was not amused at all when I found my lifevest missing before departure back home. And I don’t accept any apologies for that. It’s against all international rules…and I can’t understand such things.
The flights were mainly ontime, back home a minor delay, probably caused by ATC restrictions or smaller delays at earlier rotations of that aircraft before it did our flight.

I will fly Arkefly again in the future, hopefully in Comfort only. When it comes to Economy, I prefer Transavia. MP’s Economy is also out of the question for me.

We’ll see,… in September I have a ticket AMS-TFS on TFL again (B767-300) and in Comfort Class  Smile. Always nice!

Critics, comments, and everything else… put it down below  Wink

Cheers,
Eric


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User currently offlineRineanna From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7024 times:

Nice report, I can't remember Arkefly being covered before.
The life vest situation was rather strange, particularly in the modern day aviation industry where safety (usually) takes first priority. My sister visited KOS last year and loved the place! I'd love to know how many inches legroom there is in Y; Such a long trip with that tight legroom can't have been pleasant!

Thanks!


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7005 times:

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 1):
I'd love to know how many inches legroom there is in Y;

Thanks for your comment. Forgot to mention the legroom in Y: 76cm (30 inches). It's very small and I believe on par with some British charteroperators.



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User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6996 times:

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
Next time we will surely book again in Comfort and pay about 50 euro’s per person extra to get this additional legroom and dedicated check-in at AMS (no dedicated check-in at destination airports). This year’s the company leased a Futura B737-800 for the Mediterranean flights.

I don't think you will get more leg-room on FUTURA's B737-800...

Let me get things straight... so you have to 50€ more for the "COMFORT CLASS". And all you get is 8cm more leg-room?? No complementary head-set, not even a non-alcoholic drink or a "small" snack??

What a ripp off!  Wow!  Angry


User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 6815 times:

Hi Eric and thanks for this report. Wow, Arkefly's Economy product doesn't sound too good. And I have to agree with Debonair - one might expect a bit more from a "Comfort Class" than just a few inches more legroom.

User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 6794 times:

Quoting Debonair (Reply 3):
Let me get things straight... so you have to 50€ more for the "COMFORT CLASS". And all you get is 8cm more leg-room?? No complementary head-set, not even a non-alcoholic drink or a "small" snack??

Yeah, I agree. Sounds appalling to say the least.



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User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6723 times:

How is Kos? As to the legroom I thin kthese charters have 29" legroom which is nuts.

User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5169 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6700 times:

Hi, Eric,
now the long awaited story from your point of view, nice and interesting as usual.
A two times reminder for me.
First a fully booked UK domestic ride on G-MIDI, needless to say that there are some more
comfortable flights in my log.
Amazing that one plane operates 75 % of your A321´s flights, we had an earlier discussion about such things!.
And second a trip to Kos, some years ago, me and my wife spend a week in a hotel,
if I remember correctly Portobello in Kardamena, directly under the flightpath to KGS airport, not bad for the aviation
freak to sit on the balcony in the warm sun and spot the approaching planes.
But I had some troubles with my not so aviation enthusiastic wife, no whole night sleep possible there.
I agree with your opinion in paying extra, when it´s really worth it, no problem.
Best regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



Next: Capital travel on schedule!.
User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6648 times:

Hey Eric! What a great trip report, enjoyed reading it alot. Also it seems that you had a great time in Greece. I just envy you  Wink

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 5):
Yeah, I agree. Sounds appalling to say the least.

Yeah, I rather stick in the same seat and use those 50 euros in another thing.


Cheers!!

Alonso



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1689 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6625 times:

Hey Eric,

Nice to read a report from your side! A nice and detailed report, and convincing me not to fly on Arkefly.
You have been stolen with the 50 Euros for some decent legroom!! I surely hope this was not per person per stretch ?

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
After this miserable flight we touched Dutch soil of runway 06 again. I’m surprised to see how often I actually use this runway

Lucky you......I have some strange relationship with rwy 36L ( or Haarlem Airport for AMS-people )
But I also had the luck to land on rwy 22 once with an LH 735 coming in from a dutytrip from FRA. That was serious breaking... Big grin

Thanks again for sharing!
Hope to read more soon!

Groetjes,
Joost



flown on : F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,319,320,321,333,AB6.
User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4328 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6589 times:

So there was no free service onboard Arkefly? Not even softdrinks?
Interesting, I thought they'd be like Martinair with free (non alcoholic) drinks and food.
Any idea if they have free meals on intercontinental flights like to brazil?



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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6547 times:

Hmm,... so many replies already. Didn't expect that this one would be that interesting  Wink Thanks for replying anyway  Smile

To reply on some things;

Quoting Debonair (Reply 3):
Let me get things straight... so you have to 50€ more for the "COMFORT CLASS". And all you get is 8cm more leg-room?? No complementary head-set, not even a non-alcoholic drink or a "small" snack??

Yes you're right here, a special check-in desk at AMS prior departure of the outbound flight, and a seat providing you 33''/84cm legroom. Of course situated in front of the cabin. And that can also be a big plus!
No food, no drinks, no complimentary headset or travelkit.

Quoting Semsem (Reply 6):
As to the legroom I thin kthese charters have 29" legroom which is nuts.

Y is 30''/76cm legroom, as mentioned before the L class (Comfort) provides 33''/84cm. I'm a tall guy, so 30'' in Y is already nuts enough for me  Silly

Quoting Semsem (Reply 6):
How is Kos?

Kos is a nice island. In October a little bit quieter then in highseason when there are a lot of parties and disco's for the teenagers celebrating their school holidays. It's well-known for cycling, nice beaches, and a good location for sightseeing to Turkey (shopping) or the interesting island Nissyros. Only one small ferry a day is going there, and the island is very quiet and really 'Greece' with the famous white/blue houses and nice seafood.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 7):
now the long awaited story from your point of view, nice and interesting as usual.

Markus, thank you and yes it took a while as I moved to my new house lately and I'm currently busy with some other things, but I'll let you know about that later.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 7):
First a fully booked UK domestic ride on G-MIDI, needless to say that there are some more
comfortable flights in my log.

I fully understand your feelings. I had the pleasure to fly C on BD, and once Y at the emergency exit. Then it's not bad at all!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 7):
Amazing that one plane operates 75 % of your A321´s flights, we had an earlier discussion about such things!.

It's just bad luck I guess. I often had same experiences with other registrations and on many carriers.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 7):
And second a trip to Kos, some years ago, me and my wife spend a week in a hotel,
if I remember correctly Portobello in Kardamena, directly under the flightpath to KGS airport, not bad for the aviation
freak to sit on the balcony in the warm sun and spot the approaching planes.
But I had some troubles with my not so aviation enthusiastic wife, no whole night sleep possible there.

LOL! Leave her in Germany next time Big grin No kidding. We were near Kos-City, far away from the airport, so I didn't had problems at all with my other half.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 7):
I agree with your opinion in paying extra, when it´s really worth it, no problem.

Agreed. The seatpitch is for me personally the most important thing to pay extra for on a charterflight. I bring some food from home to save the costs again and there we go!

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 8):
Hey Eric! What a great trip report, enjoyed reading it alot. Also it seems that you had a great time in Greece. I just envy you

HI Alonso. Thanks for reading. Why don't you organise a trip to Greece yourself someday. Once you are in Europe, it shouldn't be too expensive to go there and see it yourself.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 9):
Nice to read a report from your side! A nice and detailed report, and convincing me not to fly on Arkefly.
You have been stolen with the 50 Euros for some decent legroom!! I surely hope this was not per person per stretch ?

Hoi Joost! The additional money for Comfort was for the 2 of us for a single (in the end). Usually it will be around 50 euros for a return per person. Now we got downgraded to Y on our homebound flight, so we arranged return of 50% of the upgrade fee without problems.

Maybe you didn't notice, but I've some other report online here. Maybe you like them;

AMS-NRT on JL B744
AMS-NRT-NGO on JL B744 & CRJ200
TXL-AMS on a leased MD-80
AMS-BCN via PMI on AB

etc.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 9):
I have some strange relationship with rwy 36L ( or Haarlem Airport for AMS-people )
But I also had the luck to land on rwy 22 once with an LH 735 coming in from a dutytrip from FRA.

36L/18R is my no. 2  Smile Runway 22 I had once inbound on an overloaded Antonov 12 cargoflight with some bad weather. That was a breathtaking experience!

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 10):
So there was no free service onboard Arkefly? Not even softdrinks?

Nope, you'll get nothing within Europe. Their intercontinental servicelevel includes a free hot meal or cold snack and free non-alcoholic drinks in Y. Comfort and Business class standards are little better, with alcoholics and free headphones, a mediaplayer etc.

Cheers,
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

Quoting Debonair (Reply 3):
I don't think you will get more leg-room on FUTURA's B737-800...



Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 11):
Of course situated in front of the cabin.

Thats NOT true. Pay Attention! I just checked on arkefly a flight to Bourgas- COMFORT and ECONOMY @ the same price.  Confused Very strange company...  crazy 

Well, my Dutch is not the best, but on FUTURA you will get an overwing exit! no seperate cabin in the front! It was only done on the bmi a/c as these A321 are equipped with a flexible Biz/Eco-cabin!

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 11):
special check-in desk at AMS prior departure of the outbound flight....No food, no drinks, no complimentary headset or travelkit.

Additionally now you can take 25KG per person, BIG plus!  duck 

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
We departed even ahead of schedule! Way to go here for Arkefly (I know thay can’t promise these things when you fly on their 767’s )

well, good luck for TFS! I heard strong rumors one B767 (PH-MCV???) will join TUIfly.com from the winter-season onwards...

chris


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6163 times:

Quoting Debonair (Reply 12):
Well, my Dutch is not the best, but on FUTURA you will get an overwing exit! no seperate cabin in the front! It was only done on the bmi a/c as these A321 are equipped with a flexible Biz/Eco-cabin!

Nope, you're not correct here. The Arkefly website clearly mentions that also on the B737-800 (from Futura, must be) the Comfort Class is 3-3 layout in the front section of the cabin. No words on 'getting an exitrow seat' to be found.

And, last year also EC-JRU, A320 on lease from Iberworld, was having a seperate cabin in Comfort Class layout, seats 3-3.

Quoting Debonair (Reply 12):
I heard strong rumors one B767 (PH-MCV???) will join TUIfly.com from the winter-season onwards...

PH-MCV will most probably return to Arkefly in June '07. At the moment it's still flying for BD in Star Alliance livery.



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User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6059 times:

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 13):
Nope, you're not correct here. The Arkefly website clearly mentions that also on the B737-800 (from Futura, must be) the Comfort Class is 3-3 layout in the front section of the cabin. No words on 'getting an exitrow seat' to be found.

SORRY, but checked again- Comfort Class: "in de B767 direct achter Biz Class", but no words on FUTURA...

as well, attention ONLY ComfortClass: rugleuning kan verder naar achteren gezet worden! I checked Futura and the only seats without seat-recline are emergency exits...  Big grin

Try a booking from AMS to VAR on June 11th to 18th and compare Comfort with Economy - you will get this information...  Wink


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6038 times:

Quoting Debonair (Reply 14):
Comfort Class: "in de B767 direct achter Biz Class",

True. I mentioned about the small business class in the 767's. Common sense that Business is in front of Comfort, btw it was just additional info in my report, as I did fly the A321 only so far on this airline.

Quoting Debonair (Reply 14):
no words on FUTURA...

True. But there are words on their B737-800. And we know that the only B737 is leased from Futura. No need to mention for them, but just we know.

Quoting Debonair (Reply 14):
attention ONLY ComfortClass: rugleuning kan verder naar achteren gezet worden!

> means: back of your seat can recline further then regular seats (may be read as 'further recline then Y class seat).

Quoting Debonair (Reply 14):
I checked Futura and the only seats without seat-recline are emergency exits...

True, but there you make your mistake with the Dutch language  Wink (see my explanation above).

Quoting Debonair (Reply 14):
Try a booking from AMS to VAR on June 11th to 18th and compare Comfort with Economy - you will get this information...

Not really my business now, as I didn't book on their own website but via a holiday package with a touroperator. The thing you mention here may be caused by a sold out Economy Class and therefore automatically quoted fare as 'Comfort Class', but as I said, I don't know that. My report is from a flight in October 2006 which was probably slightly different then the situation nowadays.

Case closed, I hope.  Smile



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