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BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check And KLM 777 (+pics)  
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6807 posts, RR: 77
Posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 28100 times:

BOS-JFK-AMS-MUC: SSSS-Check and KLM 777


Background
This report is the last part of a series of three - here are the first two:
MUC-AMS-MEM-ATL On NWA A332 And 40-year-old DC-9 (by PlaneHunter May 21 2007 in Trip Reports)
ATL-PIT-JFK-BOS: FL B717, JetBlue E190 And Delays (by PlaneHunter May 30 2007 in Trip Reports)

Intro
After spending a night at the Days Inn at Saugus some 10 miles from Boston Logan I checked out at noon and took the shuttle to the airport. My Delta Connection flight to JFK wouldn't depart earlier than 19:00 so I hoped to find a good place for spotting at BOS.
When I had searched for flights on KLM's website in January, I was offered a list of numerous flight combinations to choose from - but KLM's B777 (which I wanted to get) was only available in combination with a rather late connection to JFK, departing at 19:00. All earlier BOS-JFK flights were combined with KLM's B744.

Check-in Confusion
All my flights showed a KLM flight number so I left the shuttle at the international terminal and headed for the combined NWA/KLM check-in area, run by NWA. I tried to enter my booking code into a self check-in machine and I got an error message. After trying some more times I went to a counter with a rather unkind female agent. She tried and told me should couldn't find my reservation. She asked where I would go to and I told her I would fly via AMS to MUC after connecting to JFK. She seemed to be confused and said that there would be a nonstop from BOS to AMS on Northwest. Then she asked me which carrier would fly me to JFK and when I said "Delta Connection" she answered I should go to a regular Delta check-in counter. "We don't have access to Delta", she added. The fact that all flights showed a KL flight number didn't matter. So I grabbed my luggage and walk all across the airport to Terminal A...

KLM Seat Map? No Access...
At a DL counter a very kind agent checked my reservation and wondered why I wanted to check in so early. She immediately offered me to take an earlier flight to JFK and I agreed. Then she printed a boarding pass for a confirmed flight at 18:00 (at least one hour earlier than planned) and gave me a standby boarding pass for a flight at 14:00. "But I think this one will be hard to get", she added and told me to ask at the gate for a free seat on any of the consecutive afternoon flights.
The next surprise: "I can't get access to the KLM seat map", she said. "I can print a boarding pass but only with a randomly chosen seat." The boarding pass showed a middle seat (B) and she advised me to ask for a new seat at a KLM counter at JFK. Therefore I really hoped to get to JFK as soon as possible because I wanted to reserve a window seat. It had been much easier for the NWA flight to MEM because one can reserve seats on NWA's websites in advance. KLM doesn't offer such a genial feature.

Spotting
Before I passed security I went back to the parking garages and tried to get some registrations. The roof offered nice views but several construction workers were around so it would have been a matter of time until someone called the cops. The Boston skyline:





Monday, 12 March 2007
Boston (BOS) - New York (JFK)
Comair DL5511
14:00-15:23 (14:47-15:47)
Flying time: 00:43 (hrs)

Canadair CRJ200ER
N528CA (MSN 7481), delivered 09/2003
Economy Seat 11A



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Passing the Puffer
Just when I had put my hand luggage on the x-ray machine a TSA guy asked me to pass one of the new "puffer" machines which are designed to test for explosive traces or other chemicals. I had never had the "pleasure" to walk into that apparatus and the TSA agent explained what to do. He told me I would be shot by air and I should stand straight until the door opens again. Within seconds air shot out of dozens of nozzles and after it stopped I waited for the green signal. It took some 20 seconds, which can be quite a long time in such a machine...  tired 
After I had grabbed all my stuff I walked to a desk where a TSA agent was apparently watching the events at and around the apparatus. I asked him about the function of the machine and he willingly answered, explaining that the air releases microscopic particles from clothes and skin for an analysis. "Very expensive machines", he said and added: "The analysis still takes too long and we have about 20 false alarms per day." I guess such a false alarm can REALLY screw up your day...  melting 

Waiting on Standby
At the gate area for the BOS-JFK shuttle flights I noticed some delays and could log some more registrations, though views were limited. A while after boarding had started I was surprised to hear my name on the loudspeaker. I immediately went to the desk where a five-member Indian family was already waiting. Just when it was my turn a lady with her teenage son passed me from behind and pushed to the front - what cheek!  embarrassed 
After some seven people had apparently got a seat on standby I had doubts there would be one left, but it worked out well. I received my boarding pass and was asked for immediate boarding.

Two Seats, Four Passengers
When I entered the CRJ's cabin I noticed two young guys standing next to the cockpit door - I immediately guessed that their seats had been assigned twice. I walked down to the second last row and took my window seat next to a girl belonging to that Indian family.
Some minutes later all seats were occupied and the two guys were still waiting. Suddenly an announcement confirmed my thoughts, two seats had been assigned twice. So I knew two standby passengers would be kicked off again and I wasn't amused when suddenly a grim looking female supervisor started running down the aisle...I feared the worst but then she passed and chose two other victims - and interestingly, the ones who had to say bye, bye were the lady and her son who had pushed to the front only 15 minutes earlier...  checkmark 

Precaution
Doors were closed and I could add N528CA to my list - nice that I finally got the CRJ200 after having flown only on the CRJ100 before. I noticed the Indian girl monitoring my notebook and the registration list so I decided to tell her a few sentences about my hobby. She was surprised to hear about that and asked some more questions. Definitely better than having yet another one calling the cops after landing...

Parked next to us was sister-ship N964CA, a -100 series:




Flight
We left the gate more than 45 minutes late and finally took off at 14:57...




...overflying runway 32:




Snack
15 minutes later small bottles of water were served and the FA offered different items in a basket. I took a bag of peanuts and tasty cheese filled wafers.




Approach
Just after I had finished my snack and put the water into my hand luggage the approach was started. We overflew another airport...



...and large housing areas...




...before touching down at 15:40. Ten minutes later we had the pleasure to walk to the terminal in cool and windy conditions - at least a part of the walkway was roofed over, looking like a long tent.


New York JFK: New Boarding Pass
I immediately left Terminal 3 and went straight to KLM's check-in counters at Terminal 4. I had to wait in line for a while and then asked a male agent to put me on a window seat in the last or second last row. When he realized I was talking about the late evening flight he mentioned that they would now be checking in pax for the afternoon flight. However he finally logged onto the seat map and printed a new boarding pass with seat 43 A. Though the flight's departure time was 23:15, the agent told me to be at the gate at 20:30 and even wrote that time onto the boarding pass with a red pen.
Some time later I discovered that instead of my last name it said S-last name on the boarding pass. At that time I hadn't seen the SSSS-entry yet and went back to the counter to ask whether that boarding pass had been correctly printed. A female agent first asked an older workmate and then assured everything would be fine...

Spotting at JFK
It was only 15:30 in the afternoon, so plenty of time left for spotting. Two years ago I had discovered a great place one level above the AirTrain station between Terminals 5 and 6. There's a corner with elevators - and with stairs located directly behind, almost out of sight for people heading to the terminal. Most travellers use the elevators so only few people go around the corner. Due to dark green glass, nobody can see you from the street level or from the walkway to the terminal. The place is high enough to provide great views of one runway, a part of the jetBlue's Terminal 6 and many aircraft taxiing to other terminals. A similar place can be found above the AirTrain station at Terminals 2/3.

Selectee!!! The SSSS-Check
After sunset I spend some time with eating and reading and finally headed for security. At all different airports during my trip the security staff checking boarding passes and IDs had been quite ok, sometimes even friendly. This time the lady looked grim and only nodded. I left my hand luggage and a basket filled with shoes and the liquids bag on the x-ray machine and passed the metal detector. One second later I faced an even more furious looking guy who just took my boarding pass and told me straight and loudly: "You have been selected for secondary screening! Wait over here! The guy pointed at a small rubber mat on the floor, surrounded on three sides by a waist-high barrier tape. Just in that moment, I watched another screener opening my hand luggage bag and taking out the little bottle of water from the Comair flight which I had totally forgotten...what a great coincidence I thought!  Yeah sure

While I was standing in that tiny "penalty box", in socks and without belt, I noticed the gate area was probably just 50 meters away and some pax bound for an Aer Lingus flight were watching the scene. Suddenly the furious looking guy yelled "Selecteeeee!!!" I wasn't sure what he meant but after a few moments another TSA guy showed up - apparently the "selectee checker". He started talking fast like reading from a paper and told me the "triggers" for being selected, mentioning the purchase of one-way tickets, unusual routings and a number of other reasons. Then I realized the check-in agent must have put me on the SSSS-list because I requested a seat change and a new boarding pass...
Then my "personal checker" pointed at my luggage and other stuff at the shelf of the x-ray machine and asked: "Is that your luggage and your basket?". I confirmed and he told me: 'Do not touch that stuff any more from now on!" What an illogical order, considering that my luggage was three or four meters away, totally out of reach...  Yeah sure  Yeah sure

He took my stuff, told me to follow him to a table and advised me to sit down on a chair. Then he said: "Now you have the chance to explain yourself." I only thought WHAT? Then I wondered how much the TSA would know about my rather unusual trip and the combination of different airlines. Considering that he would search my belongings and probably find my itinerary, I simply explained that I like flying.
Before he started checking my luggage I got a body search and again the Aer Lingus pax had an interesting show to watch...the guy then checked every pocket of my hand luggage and my biggest hope was that he wouldn't have a look at my little notebook with hundreds of registrations - which, together with all the airline codes, may appear very strange to a TSA agent. I was indeed relieved when he closed the very pocket with my notebook...
Finally he wiped parts of my luggage and my clothes with a kind of cloth and then disappeared - the obligatory check for explosive traces. After three or four minutes he came back and I was fearing the worst for a fraction of a second when he started his first sentence with "Unfortunately". Though what he said was: "Unfortunately we have to do these random checks. Thank you for your patience and have a good flight." Yes, thanks a lot.  Yeah sure



Monday, 12 March 2007
New York (JFK) - Amsterdam (AMS)
KLM KL644
23:15-11:20 (23:42-11:31)
Flying time: 06:16 (hrs)

Boeing 777-206ER
PH-BQK Mount Kilimanjaro (s/n 499), delivered 01/2005
Economy Seat 43A



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Late Arrival
KL643 landed more than an hour late from Amsterdam and arrived at the gate shortly before 22:00. The aircraft was PH-BQK, named Mount Kilimanjaro.




Occupied Seat and Smelly Food
Though KLM tried to start boarding on time it was delayed for a while because there was an older man to be carried in a sickbed which slowed down the process. When I finally arrived at my row I found a young lady sitting at the window, partly stretching over the middle seat and eating a foul smelling Asian meal from an airport fast food restaurant. I said "Hello" and guessed she would realize I wanted to go to my seat. But she only looked at me and continued eating. Then I told her the window seat was mine but all I got was an irritated look and the reply: "I have a real mess here." Indeed, she had created a mess with her smelly food boxes - drops of the meal's sauce had even ended up at both the middle seat and a pillow.  embarrassed 
Meanwhile a kind female flight attendant had shown up and asked whether everything was alright. Just when I started explaining that I had reserved the window seat the young lady finally moved her back as well as her belongings, though very slowly. Somehow I got the impression she was under influence of anything. At least the middle seat remained empty, load was around 85% in Economy.

Cabin Comfort & Seat
The seats on KLM's B777 are very comfortable and the legroom is quite generous. What's most interesting - the IFE box is not located under the window seat but under the aisle seat. Very good decision, considering that passengers on an aisle seat can stretch out much easier and can stand up at any time.



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More Fuel...
After boarding was completed the captain explained that the delay had been caused by the aircraft's late arrival at AMS. Though he was optimistic about an on time arrival: "I have requested some extra fuel so we can fly faster!"  thumbsup 

Takeoff
We were pushed back at 23:42 and finally turned in for a powerful takeoff one minute after midnight. I couldn't use the flash at night and tried an alternative:

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Snack
Some 30 minutes after takeoff nuts and a first round of drinks were served. I ordered Ginger Ale on ice:




IFE
KLM's B777s are equipped with an AVOD IFE system that offers a wide range of movies, TV features, music CDs and games as well as the flight tracking channel. It cannot match Emirates' ICE system but it's still more than enough to prevent boredom on long flights. The PTVs are also smaller than the latest models on EK, EY or SQ but again they're ok. The flight was too short to explore much of the system, but I rated it very satisfying.

Dinner
According to the late departure a light dinner was served more than an hour after takeoff. I chose chicken breast with mash potatoes and green beans, accompanied by couscous, chocolate cake and a bread roll. While the presentation looked a bit cheap (especially the green tray), the food was very tasty - better than on NWA regarding both quality and quantity. An ice cold Heineken was my drink of choice:




Replacing a Heineken
Only two hours ago I had wondered about the lady's Chinese sauce on both seat and pillow - now it was my turn. I somehow struck the half filled glass of beer and within a second the cool Heineken spilled over the table, my pants and the seat. I called an FA and asked for some napkins which she handed over to me only a minute later. She just smiled and said: "It dries quite fast in an aircraft!"  Smile Another FA, also a kind guy, offered a replacement beer after that. Btw - the young lady didn't witness anything as she had been sleeping since we had taxied to the runway...

Cruising
After dinner I tried to get some sleep and three hours later we had almost crossed the Atlantic Ocean:




Flight data in Dutch:






Monocrystals on the window:




Breakfast
Some 75 minutes prior to landing a light and tasty breakfast was served, comprising orange juice, raspberry yogurt with cereals, a cinnamon granola bar and a muffin.




Approach
On approach to AMS we passed a large off-shore wind farm...




...before overflying the coast...




...and diving into foggy skies:




The wing cutting dense wafts of mists seconds from touchdown:




Wake-up Call...
After touching down at the Polder runway it took us almost 15 minutes to reach our gate. Everybody jumped up and was ready to get off the aircraft - but not the young lady in the aisle seat. She was still sleeping - and it seemed I had to wake her up once again. During the flight I already had woken her up twice on leaving my seat and returning a few minutes later. This time I said "Excuse me?" twice, the second time a bit louder, but nothing happened. Then I loudly said: "Hello, we have arrived!" No reaction yet - and a Dutch couple in the last row already started laughing at my desperate attempts to revitalize that lady. Finally I had no choice and gave her a push which actually worked. She looked quite confused, gave me an irritated look, suddenly jumped up and ran down the aisle...  scratchchin 

Mount Kilimanjaro's nose in daylight:





Tuesday, 13 March 2007
Amsterdam (AMS) -- Munich (MUC)
KLM KL1797
15:15-16:40 (15:17-16:46)
Flying time: 01:05 (hrs)

Boeing 737-4Y0
PH-BPC Ernest Hemingway (s/n 1747), first delivered to Air UK Leisure 07/1989
Economy Seat 11F



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Spotting & Boarding
While walking through the terminals I noticed long queues in front of several transfer desks and crowded gate areas. Later I found out that numerous flights had been cancelled that morning due to thick fog around AMS. I spend the remaining hours with spotting and finally entered the last bird on this trip. This time it was PH-BPC, a B737-400 originally delivered to Air UK Leisure in 1989.




Emergency Exit
I was surprised to find my seat in the overwing exit row which offers excellent legroom. A kind flight attendant instructed me about the safety prodecures, several times emphasizing "just in case"...




Polder, Volume IV
For the fourth time in a row the Polder was our runway of choice, after leaving the gate it took almost 20 minutes until we could take off. Views were limited due to a scratched plastic pane covering the window:




Snack
Just like on the MUC-AMS service cheese and ham sandwiches were offered. This time I tried ham and it tasted not as dry as its cheese counterpart. However, too much mayonnaise for my taste. The coffee was quite good, though.




The remaining flight to MUC was uneventful and we touched down at 16:41. I grabbed my luggage 20 minutes later and headed home after a successful and enjoyable spotting trip.


Conclusion
Delta's part of the trip was very limited, but it was a positive experience. The ground staff at BOS was very helpful and they managed to get to JFK earlier than expected. However, the Skyteam partners still have to improve their cooperation so that seat requests can be handled easier. The ride on Comair was nice, but it can't match jetBlue in terms of aircraft type, cabin equipment and personal service.

Flying KLM was a pleasure yet again. Just like on my last KL long haul trip crews were very kind and helpful, both on the ground and in the air. KL's B777 is well equipped with comfortable seats and plenty of legroom. What I like most is the location of the IFE box under the aisle seat. The AVOD IFE itself offers a wide range of options, definitely enough to spend 10+ hours in the air. The B737 classics' interiors are a bit outdated but still offer sufficient comfort for short haul flights. Catering could be improved - the sandwiches on European services aren't culinary delights. The light dinner on the long haul service tasted good, but the meals' presentation should be improved. The breakfast was absolutely sufficient, but they should serve it on a tray.

KLM beats NWA in most categories (seat comfort, leg room, IFE, crews, catering and onboard service) but needs to improve its website, especially the option to view and manage bookings. I can fully recommend KLM for long haul flying - but those who rate IFE important should only choose the A330 or the B777.


As usual, comments, opinions and questions welcome!


Best Regards,
PlaneHunter


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
52 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 28006 times:

Excellent TR. Somewhat i feel sorry for you for searching you!!! I went through this several times and still
it happens to me. I was taken to hospital for x-raying my stomach. I was put in to custody for they thought that i was suspictious. A nd all that happened before 911. I think because i am black.

Anyway , anyhow, thank you for flying on Skyteam. I am glad that DL was of any help to ya and you enjoyed your
KLM flight.

have a nice weekend:DALelite



They loved to fly and it showed..
User currently offlineLu From China, joined Aug 1999, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 27855 times:

Terrific report. The character on the napkin is so riveting.

User currently offlinePlateMan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 27540 times:

Excellent TR, one of my favorites. Great writing style and pictures. You have left no question unanswered


"Explore. Dream. Discover." -Mark Twain
User currently offlineAY104 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 505 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 27472 times:

Thanks for a great trip report! I have been wanting to book KLM from YVR-AMS return, but their website keeps deferring to the NW website, which is an experience I would rather do without. I just wonder how much business KLM loses by having it's website set up so that anyone traveling from North America has to book on the NW website? So discouraged I was by that, I have chosen a completely different carrier/routing.
Also, I agree it is very inconvenient in this day and age to not be able to book a seat, or have the ability to get only a generic seat at a partner checkin.
Cheers,
AY104



The only thing a customer should expect for his/her loyalty is good service
User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 27417 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
It had been much easier for the NWA flight to MEM because one can reserve seats on NWA's websites in advance. KLM doesn't offer such a genial feature

Neither does BA for reasons that i can't begin to concieve.



Can I have a mojito on this flight?
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6567 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 27400 times:

Hi PlaneHunter!

Fantastic report as usual!

Hopefully we can meet up again sometime in the future.

Take Care

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 27351 times:

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lol the SSSS is quite funny, your an instant terrorist for about 15 mins while u are being searched! Here is me getting my security done, with both my parents watching on and while i was amused explaining all my camera equipment which seemed like i was doing some secret spying hahaha....

it happens to the best of us  Smile

nitin



I want every single airport and airplane in India to be on A.net!
User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3170 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 26964 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I went to a counter with a rather unkind female agent.

What exactly made her unkind? The fact that she couldn't check you in and directed you to the operating carrier?



14 year airliners.net vet! 2000-2013
User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5167 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 26658 times:

Hi, PH,
great story, nothing else expected when I read Planehunter!.
I´ve had also some US flights before and after 9/11 but no real problem till now, hope that will be so in the future,
when I read your experiences.
Best regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



Next: Capital travel on schedule!.
User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 26563 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
FORUM MODERATOR

Great series of trip reports, I really enjoyed reading them.
I look forward to your future journeys.

Kev.



The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6807 posts, RR: 77
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 26183 times:

Hello everybody and thanks for your feedback!

Quoting DALelite (Reply 1):
I was taken to hospital for x-raying my stomach. I was put in to custody for they thought that i was suspictious. A nd all that happened before 911. I think because i am black.

I'm sorry to hear that - has it become even worse after 9/11?

Quoting AY104 (Reply 4):
So discouraged I was by that, I have chosen a completely different carrier/routing.

Was it complicated to book on NWA.com? I think NW's website is much better than KL's because there are much more options when you want to manage bookings.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 6):
Hopefully we can meet up again sometime in the future.

Yes, would be great. Maybe in Europe this time?

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 7):
Here is me getting my security done, with both my parents watching on and while i was amused explaining all my camera equipment which seemed like i was doing some secret spying hahaha....

That picture is hilarious - especially the expression on your face! But how was it possible to take a picture there? I guess the TSA didn't notice?

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 8):
What exactly made her unkind?

The fact that she already seemed to be bad-tempered even before I asked for help and the fact that she didn't change her attitude until I left the counter. In contrast, the agent at the DL counter already smiled before I said anything.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 9):
great story, nothing else expected when I read Planehunter!.
I´ve had also some US flights before and after 9/11 but no real problem till now, hope that will be so in the future,
when I read your experiences.

Thanks, Markus. Hopefully you won't encounter any problems in the future, but we plane freaks are "easy targets" in the US...

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 10):
I look forward to your future journeys.

I'm planning to write some reports about a trip to the Canary Islands in July (including "island hopping") and probably about a day trip next week when I will depart from Hof (HOQ) - one of Germany's smallest "airports" used for commercial flights. The one and only destination served is Frankfurt (three times daily Monday-Friday and once daily Sa/Su), operating carrier is Augusburg Airways (DHC-8-300).


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineRogerbcn From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1209 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 25963 times:

Hola PlaneHunter!

Excellent trip report, as usual interesting to read.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
"easy targets"

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Last time I flew to the US on what I thought would be a pleasure trip to try new planes: NW A332 / IB A343... I ended up being body searched, taking off all my clothes, accompanied to the toilet and asked not to flush it so they could see what was left there, questioned to death about who paid for my trip and so on and so forth.... all just because I was leaving the day after I arrived.

I guess those TSA in SEA had never heard about airliners.net, which I mentioned, or anything similar. I tried to tell them that there are people in the world which fly just for the pleasure of flying... I guess this was the time when I lost my innocence....  Wink Flying to the US for pleasure, never again!

Everytime I go back to the US, which I try to avoid as much as I can, this appears on the TSA PCscreen and my bags are searched and I am questioned again... so is not "easy targets"... we are targeted for life....

Salut!

Roger



"At reise er at leve" H.C. Andersen (Travelling is Living)
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26972 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 25876 times:

Great TR and KLM 777's look very nice and comfortable.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
That picture is hilarious - especially the expression on your face! But how was it possible to take a picture there? I guess the TSA didn't notice?

Yes Im surprised your parents didnt get their camera taken!!! They were lucky.


User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1424 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 25819 times:

Excellent Trip Report. I love your writing style and the pictures were great! What a trip. I liked the fact that you kept your cool. Most people wouldn't cope with it as well. How did you find AMS? I was there in 2003 and I found it to be very nice. Big, but nice. I flew there from YYC with Air Transat and I had about 8 hours to wait until my next flight to Milano on Alitalia. I did some spotting and also walked around the city for a few hours.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Before I passed security I went back to the parking garages and tried to get some registrations. The roof offered nice views but several construction workers were around so it would have been a matter of time until someone called the cops.

Oh man... Then again, it is BOS. I bet everyone there has SOME sort of personal "need" to report anything "unusual". Do you have any advice for me as far as spotting is concerned? I'm flying to BOS in two weeks and I wouldn't mind doing some there and also take a few pictures. Where's a good place to spot?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
and interestingly, the ones who had to say bye, bye were the lady and her son who had pushed to the front only 15 minutes earlier...

That's what she gets for being rude. I'm glad that happened.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I noticed the Indian girl monitoring my notebook and the registration list so I decided to tell her a few sentences about my hobby. She was surprised to hear about that and asked some more questions. Definitely better than having yet another one calling the cops after landing...

Nice new world we live in....  Sad

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Unfortunately we have to do these random checks. Thank you for your patience and have a good flight."

Oh yeah... I know exactly what you mean, but again, it's the new world we live in, so we better get used to it.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
An ice cold Heineken was my drink of choice:

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Again, great report PlaneHunter. I really really enjoyed it.

Cheers,

Vio
(Calgary, Canada)



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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 25774 times:

SSSS-Thanks a lot PlaneHunter for the nice report .
The food on KLM looks dismal compared to its sister AF .



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User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 25736 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 11):
I'm sorry to hear that - has it become even worse after 9/11

Not for me no. They've been searching me and my luggage but otherwise i was lucky to enter the U.S. without
the usual hassle.

cheers: DALelite



They loved to fly and it showed..
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6807 posts, RR: 77
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 25409 times:

Thanks for all new comments!

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 12):
I ended up being body searched, taking off all my clothes, accompanied to the toilet and asked not to flush it so they could see what was left there, questioned to death about who paid for my trip and so on and so forth.... all just because I was leaving the day after I arrived.

Unbelievable. I booked such a trip in November 2005 but luckily the authorities didn't mind.

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 12):
I guess those TSA in SEA had never heard about airliners.net, which I mentioned, or anything similar. I tried to tell them that there are people in the world which fly just for the pleasure of flying... I guess this was the time when I lost my innocence.... Wink Flying to the US for pleasure, never again!

Though I have been checked many times (including a personal interview by the Homeland Security due to the use of binoculars), I will go on. Probably my attitude would change after an experience like yours.

Quoting Vio (Reply 14):
How did you find AMS?

AMS is modern and convenient, also nice for spotting. One of my favourites.

Quoting Vio (Reply 14):
Do you have any advice for me as far as spotting is concerned?

Unfortunately I can't tell you much - the roof of the parking garage is ok for spotting, but the question is how many people could see you up there and report "suspicious behavior".

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 15):
The food on KLM looks dismal compared to its sister AF .

That's true for the dinner - the breakfast on AF tends to be very limited.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 25337 times:

Probably the best (maybe second best) Trip Report that I have ever read. I just wished they had continued, I could have read for hours. Thanks!

-Boston92



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 25173 times:

Hi PH!

Fantastic report again, reading was perfect evening entertainment, definitely way more interesting than the current TV program (Reinhold Beckmann interviews Peter Scholl-Latour on ARD at the moment  crazy  ).

Fortunately I never had the "pleasure" of getting a SSSS boarding pass in the USA, these TSA morons already annoyed the crap out of me during a carry-on luggage check at the gate at JFK, they got a couple of dumb remarks from me so I will not know what happens when they do such a mega-check with me.  Wink

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
An ice cold Heineken was my drink of choice

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Heineken is my second favourite onboard beer after Stella. The Beck's beer you're getting on Craphansa flights is tasting completely different than the Beck's you can buy here in Germany... and my opinion on that cat piss called Warsteiner is well known here on A.net. Strange that I prefer foreign beer over German brews at 33.000 feet.  Wink

Patrick


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6807 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24704 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 18):
Probably the best (maybe second best) Trip Report that I have ever read. I just wished they had continued, I could have read for hours. Thanks!



Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 19):
Fantastic report again, reading was perfect evening entertainment, definitely way more interesting than the current TV program (Reinhold Beckmann interviews Peter Scholl-Latour on ARD at the moment crazy ).

Thanks a lot! Though, that interview wasn't bad...

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 19):
Fortunately I never had the "pleasure" of getting a SSSS boarding pass in the USA, these TSA morons already annoyed the crap out of me during a carry-on luggage check at the gate at JFK, they got a couple of dumb remarks from me so I will not know what happens when they do such a mega-check with me.

I guess the fastest way to get through that process is doing what they say and NOT questioning their actions...

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 19):
Strange that I prefer foreign beer over German brews at 33.000 feet.

They should serve some Bavarian brands or even better some local ones - remember the Hösl?  Wink


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24674 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 20):
Though, that interview wasn't bad...

It was ok but there was a better one with Mr. Scholl-Latour some months ago (I think it was "Menschen bei Maischberger"), there he showed some of his old passports and that was pretty interesting. Ms. Maischberger asked how he managed it to get an Iranian and an Israeli visa on the same page and he answered: "There are a few advantages when you are a journalist". Big grin By the way, did you know that Scholl-Latour was born in Bochum?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 20):
I guess the fastest way to get through that process is doing what they say and NOT questioning their actions...

You are right but the two TSA guys who searched me were a bit strange. The lady who searched my carry-on trolley took my mobile phone called his colleague and said to him: "Whoa, whoa, look at this... cool, eh?", then her colleague dropped my jacket on the floor, took my mobile phone, looked at it, and said also something like: "Whoa, this is indeed pretty cool!". Then the lady took the bottle with my contact lense liquid and asked if it contains dangerous chemical ingredients... I asked her: "Would you clean your contacts with a dangerous chemical liquid?".  Yeah sure The she took a can of Budweiser from my trolley and said: "Don't drink it on the plane, you are warned!, me: "And what will you do when I drink it on the plane?". I could board the plane after asking her this question. Big grin

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 20):
remember the Hösl?

Believe it or not, I mentioned this beer last week in the band's practise room. One of us was drinking Erdinger and he said: "The best wheat-beer in the world", I told him that his Erdinger bottle would be a case for the trash can after drinking a bottle of Hösl. That was indeed one of the best wheat-beers I ever drunk... and I drunk a lot. Erdinger is not bad though but they can shove it to a place where the sun never shines since they want the outrageous rip-off price of 14.99 EUR for a case with 20 bottles in my local beverage market. At the moment I am drinking Jacobinus Hefe-Weizen and I can recommend it, very refreshing taste, very digestible and not too expensive with 12.49 EUR per case.

Patrick


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6807 posts, RR: 77
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24283 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 21):
Then the lady took the bottle with my contact lense liquid and asked if it contains dangerous chemical ingredients... I asked her: "Would you clean your contacts with a dangerous chemical liquid?".



Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 21):
The she took a can of Budweiser from my trolley and said: "Don't drink it on the plane, you are warned!, me: "And what will you do when I drink it on the plane?".

I guess certain officers would have caused trouble for these answers...

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 21):
That was indeed one of the best wheat-beers I ever drunk... and I drunk a lot.

By end of July they will even present a "jubilee wheat beer", but it will only be available in barrels and three liter bottles...


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineDimoko From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 307 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24270 times:

i really like the shot of the nose of Mount Kilimanjaro.

great report!



"I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be." -- Douglas Adams
User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 23941 times:

Wow, you really got quite a variety of airlines and aircratft types on your recent trip to the US! Definitely interesting to read, and some nice pics.

Regards, Alex.


25 LTU932 : I dread the day of me getting selected for SSSS check. How did you manage to keep your cool with those rude TSA people treating you the way they did?
26 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Thanks for all new replies! Yes, I'm glad the plan worked without any cancellations or serious delays. And missing the D95 is a good reason for anothe
27 Post contains images ExFATboy : Karma's a bear, isn't it! Great report! Really enjoyed the detail, and sorry to hear of your experience with the TSA. I've pulled the SSSS a couple o
28 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Interesting to hear there's a "light version", too. I'm still wondering whether they knew about my routing? PH
29 Bakersdozen : Interesting trip report. Noticed on your profile you haven't flown Air Canada. The 77W is making runs from LHR to YYZ you should hop on that sometime
30 EMA747 : A nice read there. Really enjoyed it. KLM is on my really want to fly list. Whats wrong with the IFE on the 744? Is it outdated or something? Andy S
31 PlaneHunter : Thanks for all new replies! Indeed, AC B77W and some domestic sectors are on my "to-do" list. Actually I had evaluated an AC trip in January as well,
32 Post contains images Sabena332 : Hmmm... I should really consider a trip to HOQ, I would get a new airline, a new aircraft type, a new airport, and most important: a new beer! Patric
33 Post contains images Leskova : Great report - and I know about that SSSS-nonsense... I've had those four letters on my boarding cards so often, I stopped counting at some point. Rea
34 BA319-131 : Hi PH, Great report, just as expected! - That would be likely knowing your luck! - Justice! - Given your track record, I think it was wise of you to e
35 Mexicana757 : Great trip report and pictures Planehunter. That meal on KLM looks like the same that was served on the KL flight that I took in late January ORD-AMS.
36 Semsem : They seem to have upgraded meal service. I took same flight 4 years ago and we got a cold snack, cold cuts.
37 Post contains images Mdodd : nice report! I flew to AMS via EWR (on KLM B777 as well)....no problems, the food was similar, and I agree with your ratings of it. I then was suppose
38 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Thanks for all new replies! Meanwhile I've got used to it... I've just returned from a vacation at Lanzarote and will write some reports in the next w
39 BA319-131 : - Excellent, look forward to the reports. Regards Mark
40 Mir : Very nice report! That's Westhampton Gabreski (FOK). -Mir
41 PlaneHunter : Thanks a lot, David! PH
42 RedAirForce : .... i wonder if there is a TSA.net website that has discussions of annoying, suspicious, irritating, arrogant, spoiled, self righteous, know it all,
43 AirxLiban : As usual, a brilliant report and a fantastic read. Sweet justice! Some divine intervention here perhaps succeeded in getting these rude and arrogant p
44 Post contains links N867DA : You can vent all you want on their blog! http://www.tsa.gov/blog/ Great TR...and as always folks call ahead and reserve your seats! You should be abl
45 Pumaknight : nice TR. I remember back in 2005, my family did a tour of California and flew alot of the legs to cut down on discomfort for my elderly Father in law.
46 AA767LOVER : too bad about the NWA/KLM agent in BOS. She sounded like the Soup Nazi on Seinfeld.
47 StarAlliance38 : great TR! A very interesting read. Lol, now I'm worried flying non-rev to be tagged by the SSSS lol. Great pics and great job!
48 SandroZRH : And finally, an excellent part three. Reading about your whole trip took me the better part of an hour, but it was definatly worth it! Sometimes, I wo
49 Airbuseric : Hi PH, nice report, some good pics! I enjoyed the reading of it. PH-BQK is also in my log, on of their few T7's I flew on KL. For sure, that they offe
50 Conrad1402 : As I've read from your other TRs, an airline can be judged by it's Ginger Ale or the availibility of it. Like you, I always do the Ginger Ale test on
51 JCS17 : When I got SSSS-checked in PHX a couple of months ago, all they had to do was go through my laptop bag by hand and do an explosives test. When this wa
52 PlaneHunter : Thanks a lot for all your further comments! The report may not be the newest around, but the SSSS treatment is still a very current annoyance today. I
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