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User currently offlineJfk69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

June 21, 2007

Aircraft: N552JB (Blue Jay)
Scheduled Departure: 7:20 PM
Blocked Out: 7:55 PM
Scheduled Arrival: 10:45 PM
Blocked In: 1:49 AM
Load Factor: 90%
Seat 7B

Oh the joy of flying on a thursday night after a long week at work and a storm arriving. I do this flight approx. 5-8 times a year (going DL every once in a while to mix things up) so I am accustomed to the evening departure rush. It really hit me this time though.

After sitting on the Van Wyck for the usual 30 minutes, we arrived at terminal 6 at 5:45. Since they rearranged the check in kiosks and baggage drop I feel that the wait has gotten longer. Kiosk check in took 2 minutes and we waited about 10 for drop our bags off by the counter. After waiting for the wife watching her follow the bags to make sure they went all the way down the conveyor (Ehh, it makes her happy) we went upstairs to head to security. Most people go to the right after check in so we in turn always go to the left. I find this line a little shorter every time, and the fact that we were departing from gate 2 didn't hurt as well. Security took about 5 minutes and we ventured off to Hudson News.

As many know the B6 terminal is old, dirty, and disgusting........guess what? Nothing has changed. Few stores is good and bad. The wife can't spend money, but then she ends up talking to me instead. The new terminal is coming along nicely though and it will be a welcomed addition when it is ready. We ventured to the gate and saw that it was not very crowded which was a bit of a relief. It can sometimes be an adventure to find a seat over there.

Boarding started a little early at 6:40 for passengers with assistance or those who have small children. Only a few of those so they started full boarding a few minutes later. by 6:55 we were on board and our long long long trek to Seattle would begin.

by 7:10 it looked as if passengers had stopped coming in and we would be ready for an on time departure. I was in the middle, my wife with the aisle and a spanish man had the window (he got on, promptly feel asleep and didn't really awake until we landed (I want whatever the hell he took). The first officer came out to give his little speech about a storm moving in, but we should be able to puck back on time and get out ahead of it. By 7:25, the door was closed and I thought we would just sit in line with the heavies going to Europe and be on our way...........well, I was wrong. At 7:35 we were still by the gate. The TVs were going to keep us occupied and the safety check had been completed so thankfully that was out of the way. The captain got on and said they were just loading some last minute bags and it would be 2 more minutes . "Cabin Crew prepare for arrival".....Excuse me flight attendant?? What did you say? Suddenly the door pops open and a gentleman in an orange shirt strolls on. He is nicknamed douche bag #1.

The captain explains that we were waiting for some late arriving passengers to go along with the late arriving bags (Can it be so hard to get your asses to the airport people?????). The captain originally said 4 would be coming but it was only the 1 guy and the door was closed again. "Cabin Crew prepare for departure" A welcomed saying after sitting in a hot plane. The flight attendant notified the us that according to FAA regulations, since a new passenger had come on, we must perform the safety presentation all over again. A moan from the crowd, TVs off and the presentation for the guy in the orange shirt (Who was sitting Bulkhead no less!!!!).

"Cabin Crew Prepare for Arrival"...........NO NO NO......what the hell is this. 7:50 rolls along and the door pops open to let in douche bags 2-4. I guess the captain was right, there were 4 passengers who were late. I only hope they sat next to someone with a cold and are feeling it this morning. Finally at 7:54 the door was closed, "Cabin Crew prepare for Departure" is heard and we can be on our way.......Oh not before the TVs were shut off again because guess what folks? New passengers = safety demonstration for the 3rd friggin time. A groan with a slight hint of "Enough with this crap" could be sensed in the air.

Push back at 7:55 and we sit in the alley for 10 minutes........then we move to an active taxiway right alongside the terminal. The weather is getting bad with lighting and rain about to come by, but I am watching all the arrivals on 31R rolling by. Suddenly the skies open and we are not going anywhere. The signal on the TV is crapping out and it is real dark outside. The pilot gets on to inform us that ATC has closed 4 out of the 5 departure lanes and number 5 looks as if it will be closed soon.............I knew this was a get ready to sit and wait folks. We taxied to an active taxiway between the 22's and we took our place in line and just sat. We sat and waited. You can see the European heavies in one line, the domestic departures in another line, and our line which seemed like a fair mix. At about 8:50 the captain informed us that no one is leaving right now and we will be shutting the engines down to save some fuel. It was cool on board which did make a huge difference.

We were told by the flight attendants that we would be able to move about the cabin and they would be coming around with bottled water. If we had cell phones we would be able to use them. You really get to hear a lot of cursing when a flight is delayed (most by my wife actually.....thats right folks, she is taken) The pilots never ventured out of the cockpit during this time. The announcements were at a minimum from them with most talking from the flight attendants. Most the channels were not working because of the weather but they slowly started to come back every 20 minutes or so.

At one point after sitting there for about an hour the pilot came on to tell us that the eastern departures wold start leaving soon, but we were number 40 out of 80 for departure (Better than being 80 right?)

Finally at 10:45 the engines were powered on and we started our roll to 31L to be number 4 in line. At 111:14 we were on our takeoff roll and on our way. The climb was a little slower than usual but who cares, we were in the air.

The flight was uneventful for the most part. I slept my 45 minutes so I was "refreshed" and thankfully the cabin crew came around often with water and other drinks to keep us hydrated. The path took us along the Canadian border at FL 350 I believe (Don't hold me to that one). At 1:25 AM we started our descent into SEA. It was quite bumpy after a calm flight with a few ooooh's and ahhh's from the queasy passengers. We landed and taxied right over to A10 with no traffic ahead of us. Finally blocking in at 1:49 AM. We strolled out to see the sad and tired faces of the JFK bound passengers who were waiting for the aircraft to turn around. SEA-TAC is a very nice airport but a bit too much walking. Waited for our luggage until 2:25 and were on our way to the "Out-Laws". The inbound journey was finally over.

The Cabin Crew did an outstanding job during the whole wait, coming around to talk to us and keep us updated with what they knew. The cockpit could have been a little more talkative but I guess thats just an Airliners member opinion.

THE ONLY THING I WANT TO KNOW IS IF THE LATE ARRIVING PASSENGERS HURT US FOR OUR DEPARTURE?????????????????????

Otherwise, we are heading back on the Sunday red eye....Hopefully on time!

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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4264 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3834 times:

Sounds like a pretty crummy delay to me... not much can be done about the weather but I'm not sure what Jetblue's policy is regarding connecting passengers. Those four "douchebags", as you call them - a very disingenuous term, I might add - would have probably been misconnects and would have been forced to spend the night at JFK. Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense considering the plane to take them to SEA is still at the gate! If they were holding the plane just for four people, that sounds very unusual to me.


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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3690 times:

Quoting Jfk69 (Thread starter):
THE ONLY THING I WANT TO KNOW IS IF THE LATE ARRIVING PASSENGERS HURT US FOR OUR DEPARTURE?????????????????????

Simple answer is most definately: Yes. BUT, if these were connecting passengers, it seems completely fair to wait for them. I think any airline should grant a half-hour to an hour or so for late connections (unless they are connecting to a shuttle flight that runs every hour or somesuch). If they were simply late getting to the airport, then I say leave 'em behind and push back spot on time.


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

Quoting Jfk69 (Thread starter):
At one point after sitting there for about an hour the pilot came on to tell us that the eastern departures wold start leaving soon, but we were number 40 out of 80 for departure (Better than being 80 right?)

YIKES!! You know the people who were late must have been important enough for them to hold a flight.....but 2x? Why close the door???



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

Quoting Jfk69 (Thread starter):
The pilot gets on to inform us that ATC has closed 4 out of the 5 departure lanes and number 5 looks as if it will be closed soon

Hmm, by lanes what did they mean?

Quoting Jfk69 (Thread starter):
t one point after sitting there for about an hour the pilot came on to tell us that the eastern departures wold start leaving soon, but we were number 40 out of 80 for departure (Better than being 80 right?)

A flight to SEA constituted an eastern departure?


User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 2):
Simple answer is most definately: Yes. BUT, if these were connecting passengers, it seems completely fair to wait for them. I think any airline should grant a half-hour to an hour or so for late connections (unless they are connecting to a shuttle flight that runs every hour or somesuch). If they were simply late getting to the airport, then I say leave 'em behind and push back spot on time.

So I don't believe that they were connecting passengers for two reasons. 1) the captain had said they were stuck at security (we didn't take more than 5 minutes) 2) I saw their bags in SEA and they only had SEA as a destination. So I am assuming they originated in JFK.

Quoting Davescj (Reply 3):
Why close the door???

I agree...keep it open, do the safety speech one extra time instead of 2....couldn't figure that one out.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 4):
Hmm, by lanes what did they mean?

The pilot had used a term which may not have been lanes, for whatever reason that is the word I had in my head when I was writing it.....maybe a pilot can answer but it is basically departure paths maybe and not lanes??

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 4):
A flight to SEA constituted an eastern departure?

NO NO. Def. not an eastern departure. I just meant to say that they were releasing the eastern departures first, but it still didn't matter because there were 80 planes on the ground so it would still take forever.


User currently offlineFLY764 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 114 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 5):
The pilot had used a term which may not have been lanes, for whatever reason that is the word I had in my head when I was writing it.....maybe a pilot can answer but it is basically departure paths maybe and not lanes??

I'm not a pilot, but I am an aspiring pilot and am currently a FA and this has happened to me many times going to many places. The way one pilot explained it to me was that a lane is a travel corridor sort of like an interstate highway. The whole ATC is made up of these corridors. These corridors run in all directions, so when you have something like weather the traffic needs to use alternate lanes/corridors kind of like taking a detour in the air. Well when you have traffic coming out of JFK, LGA, EWR, PHL,and possibly BOS flying west towards with SEA with all this weather with only one lane or corridor open it makes for a big traffic jam. This would be similar to driving on an interstate that has 5 lanes normally, but if you have construction, an accident, or some other factor that brings you to one lane you have a big backup. Hope that made sense.


User currently offlineEVA777SEA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 5):

The pilot had used a term which may not have been lanes, for whatever reason that is the word I had in my head when I was writing it.....maybe a pilot can answer but it is basically departure paths maybe and not lanes??

He was probably talking about SIDs. By the way, awesome report! Sorry to hear about the delay...


User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

Quoting FLY764 (Reply 6):
I'm not a pilot, but I am an aspiring pilot and am currently a FA and this has happened to me many times going to many places. The way one pilot explained it to me was that a lane is a travel corridor sort of like an interstate highway. The whole ATC is made up of these corridors. These corridors run in all directions, so when you have something like weather the traffic needs to use alternate lanes/corridors kind of like taking a detour in the air. Well when you have traffic coming out of JFK, LGA, EWR, PHL,and possibly BOS flying west towards with SEA with all this weather with only one lane or corridor open it makes for a big traffic jam. This would be similar to driving on an interstate that has 5 lanes normally, but if you have construction, an accident, or some other factor that brings you to one lane you have a big backup. Hope that made sense.

Yes yes yes...great way to describe it.

Quoting EVA777SEA (Reply 7):
By the way, awesome report! Sorry to hear about the delay...

Thanks. We all just have to take these delays in stride.


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

Those 4 folks - i guess i wouldn't call them the D word probably didn't affect your flight that much with such a long delay. I know Delta wouldn't have come back for them (or most majors), but those 4 people got to Seattle that night, rather than sleeping on the floors of JFK.. which is not exactly a pleasant experience.
PS: Long ground delays stink.. but i'm afraid this is only the beginning of along summer at jfk.
-A



What now?
User currently offlineAY104 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 505 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

Quoting Jfk69 (Thread starter):
He is nicknamed douche bag #1.

 bigthumbsup 

Gotta love that expression! Have not heard it in a while. I know exactly how you feel. One of those life situations, where regardless of whether the guy is right or wrong, in my eyes and yours he is still a "douchebag".
Unfortunately, I am guilty of "Human nature". Probably if I had liked the looks of the person (which does not happen very often), who could have potentially held up my flight, and inconvenienced me (remember, it's all about me), it probably would have been OK with it. However, since I do not like most people, probably about 99% of the world population come under the title of douchebag - based solely upon my first impression. I wonder how many other people would be honest enough to admit what I just did?! Perhaps, in other peoples' eyes I, myself, am a douchebag?!
Cheers,
AY104



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User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2450 times:
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Quoting FLY764 (Reply 6):
Well when you have traffic coming out of JFK, LGA, EWR, PHL,and possibly BOS flying west towards with SEA with all this weather with only one lane or corridor open it makes for a big traffic jam. This would be similar to driving on an interstate that has 5 lanes normally, but if you have construction, an accident, or some other factor that brings you to one lane you have a big backup. Hope that made sense.

FLY764, Thanks for the explanation. I have flown a lot over the years and never new what that meant. It makes perfect sense to me. BTW, which carrier do you work for?

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 11):

Great TR, JFK69. B6 really is trying to make things as pleasant as possible after the hellish nightmare back in February. Did they serve you a snack box? Did you get that thoughtful, night flight pack since you were on there so long?

LACA773


User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 12):
Great TR, JFK69. B6 really is trying to make things as pleasant as possible after the hellish nightmare back in February. Did they serve you a snack box? Did you get that thoughtful, night flight pack since you were on there so long?

Thanks,

No Snack box for us. Not really sure they carried any on board. They kept passing the usual snack basket around and left them in the front and back of the plane when we were waiting. No Bliss packs as well since they are usually only on the eastbound red-eyes. They may not have been loaded on board.

All in all it wasn't the airlines fault but they made it tolerable.


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 13):
All in all it wasn't the airlines fault but they made it tolerable.

And that important... One time aboard a UA 320, the captain told us about a one hour delay, and we would have to wait on the tarmac the entire time...but the F/A's started some IFE (which the flight was not even supposed to have), the captain opened the cockpit door to anybody who wanted in (and would talk as long as you wanted)...drinks came around, free snack boxes...it was almost like the flight crew was doing more than they needed...

Great TR BTW!



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