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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5302 times:

Hi,

Another visit to France this year, being there last month for a wedding, now it was time to bring a days visit to the 47th International Paris Airshow at Le Bourget. A little bit in relation to my job, but mainly just for the interest in aviation, see a large part of the show during afternoon, and of course, the joy of flying  Smile.

As I listed my and by bf for the first service to CDG that Saturday morning, it became more difficult to reach the airport in time by use of public transport. Therefore, we had to drive 5 kilometers to another trainstation to catch the first railway service to the airport, another 5 kilometers away  Wink. We arrived at Schiphol Airport at 5.50am, so one hour before departure.

Heading straight to the selfservice check-in computers in lounge 2 at departure level, we got our boardingpasses within no time. No seats though, as always on KL while on standby.

We went through security which was a breeze that morning, probably because there were not many business travellers to the European destinations. On weekdays, this checkpoint can be a nightmare to everyone. It might take ages to pass it!

We passed along our most favourite coffee-corner 'Starbucks', recently opened in lounge 1 (airside), and being the first ever Starbucks in The Netherlands! A shame it was still closed at this fresh and early morning, although I was already in for some caffeine!

The night before I checked the airport system to see our planned aircraft, and we were supposed to fly on a B737-900 (PH-BXT) and departing from gate C7. It was a real little pity to see our gate has changed during the night to C8, and a older generation B737 was waiting for the CDG flight..., PH-BXT was re-scheduled to OSL for the 7.00am departure.


B737-400 PH-BDR waiting for her flight to Paris

We handed our current boarding passes to the groundstaff and took seats in the waiting area. An announcement was made and mentioned the free choice of newspapers: please grab one before you board your plane  Smile.

While boarding started at 6.20am, we had to wait another 20 minutes until we finally were called to pickup our final boarding passes. We got seated next to eachother in Economy. We entered the aircraft almost as last passengers and walked through a cramped Europe Select ''Business'' class, fully packed with passengers. KL's C class on the 737's is really nothing compared to many other large carriers. Anyway, we had a walk further down and behind the curtain  Smile



AMS-CDG
Flight No.: KL1227 Date: 23JUN07
STD: 0650 ATD: 0656
STA: 0805 ATA: 0800
A/C: Boeing 737-406 Reg No.: PH-BDR
Seat: 17E - Economy Class

My 8th ride on a Boeing 737-400, and the first on this same machine.


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Doors were closed on time, and probably caused by ATC we had a few minutes delay for pushback. The crew did the manual flight safety demonstration, still common sight on the shorthaul KLM flights.

We taxied to the active runway 24, entrance S6, and without waiting time we were cleared for takeoff. We got airborne shortly and climbed into the grey and bumpy clouds. After a sharp left turn towards the South the seatbelt signs were switched off remarkably soon after takeoff. The crew immediately started serving the cabin.


Departure runway 24, with dark clouds above the field

Breakfast this morning was the 'Trattoria' sandwich package, containing 2 ultra-small sandwiches: old cheese fig & ham/cream cheese.

Additionally I requested a coffee and orange juice, which came in a small 'Minute Maid' can. Which is new to me, as I never got served juices in cans on KL.


''Sandwich'' service on KL1227 AMS-CDG

The flight was quite uneventful and we started the decent soon again. Getting closer to CDG, we noticed an Air France B777-200 following us on the approach.

I was busy filming the final approach with our new small camera, but the file came out to be 105Mbs, a bit too much to share here I think. Anyway, the landing was quite rough, but OK.

Strange enough at 07.46am, we landed on runway 27R, far away from terminal 2F which is used by KL. We had to taxi for almost 15 minutes before we reached our final stand. Disembarking via the jetbridges, and with a nice ''goodbye'' from the captain himself.

Load on this flight: around 80 %, with C class close to 100 % full.

***

The visit to the airshow was very nice. Weather was reasonable good, only 2 very light rainshowers. We saw the sunshine most of the day, except during the flying display. It was great to see the A380 in action, of course also the military fighter jets were great to see (and hear!).

***

After the show, we took the RER B lines back to CDG-2 for the return flight. I listed ourselves on the last service operated by Air France, as it's scheduled by the larger A321 aircraft, meaning more or less better availability to get on the flight!
When we went to the check-in desk at area 2 of terminal 2F, we got our boarding passes, also no seat assignments yet. The kind Air France staff already gave us the hint that we would be able to obtain seats, but nevertheless we were send to gate F25A around 6.00pm.

Terminal 2 is well-known by it's great piece of architecture. I really like the atmosphere in the building, but the minority of shops is a negative aspect for me. I always like to struggle around the shops and to spend my waiting time there. Now, I was finished quickly, also caused by the large groups of Japanese travellers on one of the 3 (!) JL flights that evening.


View inside terminal 2F at CDG (airside)

At the time mentioned we went downstairs to call at F25A, an area for standby passengers (and staff). Large flatscreens on the wall mentioning the names of the passengers on waitlists and exactly 30 minutes before our flight had to leave, our names popped up as well. The lady behind the desk called all passengers who were trying to get a seat on the flight to AMS, and about 6 people, including us, got the boarding pass.

This system by AF looks nice, and is quite modern with the use of the flatscreens.

We went again to the departure level and straight to gate F32. The flight was already boarding. No problems there, and when entering the aircraft we were greeted very professionally by 2 male flight-attendants. A box of towellettes was available at the door, to refresh yourself before the flight.

We took our seats next to a Japanese passengers, seeming to be very nervous about flying. Crew was helpful to other passengers stowing the handluggage in the overhead bins etc. Doors also closed ontime here.



CDG-AMS
Flight No.: AF2240 Date: 23JUN07
STD: 1830 ATD: 1832
STA: 1945 ATA: 1941
A/C: Airbus A321-211 Reg No.: F-GTAI
Seat: 19C - Economy Class

My 5th ride on the Airbus A321, and the first on this same machine.


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A few minutes delay due ATC again, when we got pushback. Info about the flighttime to AMS was given from the flightdeck, and a small manual safety demonstration was done by the crew.

Loads were close to 100% in Economy Class, but with a nearly empty Business Class cabin. Interesting to see the cabin was separated in 3 parts: 2 business, and rear part Economy, starting somewhere from the wings.

We were following the JL flight bound for NGO, and done by JA704J, the B777-200ER featuring the oneworld colourscheme. We lined up for runway 27L and had a long run for takeoff before we got airborne. When in the air, we made a sharp right turn, probably to get free of bad weather. On our leftside we saw dark and thick clouds, probably with some thunderstorms inside. European countries have recently a lot of thunderstorms, causing big trouble to the aviation operations from time to time.

Mealservice started soon after the takeoff, and because the time of the day, I was hoping to get a nice sandwich or so. But, again AF disappointed me with only a very small bag of rice crackers. Therefore, I asked for a white wine, which was served.
For the remaing flight (yes, even during landing itself) I was listening to the music player of my cellphone. Strange enough the crew didn't notice, and didn't ask me to turn off this electric device.


The meal on AF2240 CDG-AMS

During our final approach we noticed also aircraft flying on the 18C ILS, so meaning simultaneously approaches that night. We got runway 18R, again the far-away one, and landing was uneventful. We taxied for exactly 12 minutes to our parking spot, gate C5. On gate C7, another AF aircraft was parked, an A318 and probably operating the LYS-flight.


A321 F-GTAI after arrival at gate C5 at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport


Finally we got on a train back to our car-park within 15 minutes after disembarking. Yes, when travelling without luggage, AMS can offer very quick connections even to other means of transport!

All together, we had a nice day-trip to the show, 2 additions to my flightlog (with 2 new registrations). I liked the AF A321 a lot, the cabin looked like new, very clean, and in an overall great shape. The KL B734 is showing her age, and hopefully they get replaced in 2008 with the new B737-800(WL)'s. Additionally KL ordered a bunch of -700(WL)'s at the Le Bourget airshow last week, to replace some old -300's. Good to see some renewal there in the future  Smile
AF staff/crew surely are the winner today, and provide a more professional/polite service to the passengers. Maybe it's also how they look, maybe it's their uniform. I don't know, but nowadays I just prefer AF above KL.
Flights were both ontime, food a bit less good, but no complaints on these short flights.

Sorry that I don't have more pics , but I hope you still want to give some comments  Wink

Rgds
Eric


"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8539 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5264 times:
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Nice report Eric, a most enjoyable read.

Nice to see 2 different aircraft types on your trip, especially the 734 as they are going to be rare birds in the not to distant future.

Re the KLM fleet renewal, I had actually expected the A319/320 to start entering the fleet to replace older 733/734 models, this based upon the AF ownership, however I guess it shows KLM still have a certain degree of autonomy.

Rgds

Mark



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User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5247 times:

Hi Eric, great little trip report. It seems as though all of us who went to Paris Air Salon 2007 will be issuing reports one by one. It was an awesome show and I especially enjoyed seeing the Constellation restored by Breitling taking to the skies, its old piston engines issuing the deep drone quite unlike the screaming jets almost everything else uses these days. I travelled to France by train and so will not issue a trip report as such. Truth be told, while at Le Bourget it was interesting to see the entire lot of CDG traffic making its way out in the vicinity of the show!

I also liked the contrast between the two halves of the 3rd largest European airline, it does seem that AF has been more aggressive in renewing its fleet than KL. Never mind, KL is renewing its long-haul fleet and will catch up with the shorthaul soon. I flew KL last year and was quite impressed by its service on short Euro sectors. My only flight with AF was back in 1978 so I need another journey to comment on it but it seems as though for now these two married partners are doing well together.

Thank again.

TrinToCan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineNickbbu From Romania, joined Jan 2007, 185 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4904 times:

Great trip report!

But this is one of the reasons I like so much this aviation world, because everything is connected, sometimes in mysterious ways… For instance, you said that you should’ve been on PH-BXT. Well here it is… I got a picture of it at OTP, on my arrival from BCN: Trip Report - Barcelona Adventure In 20 Hours (lots of Pics).

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2323/dscn7864ng5.jpg

Proost!  Wink
Nick



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

Very nice report and a highly enjoyable read, Eric!  Smile


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User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2179 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4799 times:

Great report I've been on BDR before, trusty old bird!  Smile Although I'm not the biggest AF fan in the world...

User currently onlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4695 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

Nice report. So all standby passengers are dealt with in one section of the terminal? Sounds like a good way to relief the actual gate agents.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
No seats though, as always on KL while on standby.

Have to disagree here. Lately I get the seat selection menu more often. It often depends if the standby list has been cleared yet (and for example when I went to EWR recently my dad and I were cleared, the rest was not).



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

Ah, another "Trip to the Paris Air Show" report. Big grin Very nice read, thanks for posting!

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
It was great to see the A380 in action, of course also the military fighter jets were great to see (and hear!).

I can't agree more, the flight display was awesome!

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
but the minority of shops is a negative aspect for me.

I agree again, there are only two bars when you pass the security control in Terminal 2F.

What I like about T2F is the "Pomme de Pain" sandwich bar, I always eat there before passing the security control, their sandwiches are tasting great!

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
AF staff/crew surely are the winner today, and provide a more professional/polite service to the passengers.

The same on my flights, the cabin crews were very friendly and very professional.

Patrick


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4470 times:

Thanks for the comments so far!

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 1):
Nice to see 2 different aircraft types on your trip, especially the 734 as they are going to be rare birds in the not to distant future.

Indeed Mark, I was also quite satisfied with the -400 series. I lately flew a lot of them on AB, but they're also gone now. BA will replace them at LGW with A319 soon, and KL also retires the type within a year or 2 from now. I think only OA and Futura will continue to operate the type within Europe?!

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 1):
I guess it shows KLM still have a certain degree of autonomy.

I think they have, and actually it's nice to see KL getting new 737's. They become rarely a seldom with the large European carriers. Most (AF/BA/LH/IB/AZ/OS/LX/TP) operate large fleets of the A320 series, so nothing to complain here  Smile

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 2):
It was an awesome show and I especially enjoyed seeing the Constellation restored by Breitling taking to the skies, its old piston engines issuing the deep drone quite unlike the screaming jets almost everything else uses these days.

Indeed a good show, although I missed the lack of passenger aircraft. Both Embraer and Boeing didn't show their newest type at the flying display. A pity I think. We saw the Connie flying while we returned to the shuttlebus, as we had to catch the quite early flight that night.

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 2):
Truth be told, while at Le Bourget it was interesting to see the entire lot of CDG traffic making its way out in the vicinity of the show!

I also noticed that, and thought sometimes it's better to be at CDG. It offers really interesting traffic!

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 2):
My only flight with AF was back in 1978 so I need another journey to comment

I strongly think some things has changed since then  Wink What aircraft did you fly on AF back then?

Quoting Nickbbu (Reply 3):
Great trip report!

But this is one of the reasons I like so much this aviation world, because everything is connected, sometimes in mysterious ways… For instance, you said that you should’ve been on PH-BXT. Well here it is… I got a picture of it at OTP

A lot of coincidence indeed. Nowadays the -900's can be seen almost everywhere in Europe so now and then. It all depends on the loads I guess.

Quoting BA777 (Reply 5):
Although I'm not the biggest AF fan in the world

My taste changed lately,.. I was pro-KLM as well, but... things can change  Smile

Quoting JRadier (Reply 6):
So all standby passengers are dealt with in one section of the terminal? Sounds like a good way to relief the actual gate agents.

I was also surprised to see that Jurgen, although I know other airlines to offer dedicated check-in desks for staff travel (like EI at DUB or VS at LHR).

Quoting JRadier (Reply 6):
Lately I get the seat selection menu more often. It often depends if the standby list has been cleared yet (and for example when I went to EWR recently my dad and I were cleared, the rest was not).

OK I see. Maybe next time I will experience that. Does it depends how long in advance you checkin? Anyway, I'll keep an eye on that  Smile


Thanks
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5167 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4336 times:

Hello, Eric,
nice to read your Paris Air Show story.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
shape. The KL B734 is showing her age, and hopefully they get replaced in 2008 with the new B737-800(WL)'s.

As far as I like the 737-800, you know that I always prefer the classic bird, when I had to chance to decide between
two aircraft. So I hope for much more 734 ride´s.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
My 8th ride on a Boeing 737-400,

Me too, eight different 400´s in my log!.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
My 5th ride on the Airbus A321,

AF is by now the most flown non german airline in my log, eight A321´s but no AF yet.

Best regards and don´t forget to show us some pix from Palma soon,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1687 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4309 times:

Hi Eric,

Nice to see another report and again France was the target!
Did you enjoy LBG as much as a couple of years ago, when we went by bus :S
Back then the 346 was the "top notch" performer...Time change obviously  Smile

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
At the time mentioned we went downstairs to call at F25A, an area for standby passengers (and staff). Large flat screens on the wall mentioning the names of the passengers on waitlists and exactly 30 minutes before our flight had to leave, our names popped up as well

LH uses also flat screens mentioning names of stand-by pax. Only difference is that LH have them at every gate showing all the stand-by pax in order of priority. We as LH-employees are graded by years with the company....So my priority isn't that high yet  Smile
This also helps the gate-agents to reduce workload as it is clear to everybody who travels stand-by.
I'm not sure if LH uses this on other airports than FRA though, but our German readers might help out here  Smile

Anyway, thanks for sharing your story again!
Groetjes,
Joost



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User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4165 times:

Eric, to answer your question my one AF flight was on the A300B. I flew with them from POS to GEO in Guyana, the reason being that BW was on strike (pilots) and so was virtually shut down. AF, Pan Am and BA accommodated passengers on their services to GEO. By the time I was due to return three (3) weeks later BW was back in the air and so my family and myself returned with them. They did have a full meal service on the flight though being only little I did not eat very much of it! I have only ever had one (1) other flight on the A300B, with Eastern Airlines in 1983 MIA - POS.

How times have changed, now only one (1) airline links GEO with POS, namely BW as the reincarnated Caribbean Airlines.

TrinToCan.



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User currently offlineBAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

Interesting report, but tell me...

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 1):
Breakfast this morning was the 'Trattoria' sandwich package, containing 2 ultra-small sandwiches: old cheese fig & ham/cream cheese.

...what on earth is "old cheese fig"?!?! Sounds...errrmmm...yummy??     

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User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3813 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
What I like about T2F is the "Pomme de Pain" sandwich bar, I always eat there before passing the security control, their sandwiches are tasting great!

Hi Patrick, thanks for your reply! That's a sandwichbar I also used several times, in the past. Now we didn't really have the time to go for eating,... as we were quite close to departure already.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 9):
As far as I like the 737-800, you know that I always prefer the classic bird, when I had to chance to decide between
two aircraft. So I hope for much more 734 ride´s.

True!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 9):
...and don´t forget to show us some pix from Palma soon,

Will be added to this section within a few days. Just woke up after a 'long' day at the 'Urlaubs-insel'!

Quoting DALCE (Reply 10):
Did you enjoy LBG as much as a couple of years ago, when we went by bus :S
Back then the 346 was the "top notch" performer...Time change obviously

Thank Joost! To be true,... our trip by bus 6 years back was much better! We went not on a public day back then, so it was less crowded and we were able to visit the aircrafts also inside. About the A346, that show was also better then what the A380 performed, but that's due to her size I think.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 10):
Only difference is that LH have them at every gate showing all the stand-by pax in order of priority. We as LH-employees are graded by years with the company....So my priority isn't that high yet

Don't change your job then, and your time will come  Smile Same for me though,. although I never experienced any problem when on standby travel. I always check my routing and commercial loads a couple of times in advance, and if neccesary I will re-route myself or just print some backup tickets.

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 11):
Eric, to answer your question my one AF flight was on the A300B.

I would have loved to fly on that bird too! Nice experience  Smile

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 11):
How times have changed, now only one (1) airline links GEO with POS, namely BW as the reincarnated Caribbean Airlines.

One of the Caribbean Airlines B738's will operate out of AMS this summer for HV. It will keep the original colours, with added HV titles. Might be interesting!

Quoting BAViscount (Reply 12):
...what on earth is "old cheese fig"?!?! Sounds...errrmmm...yummy??

Andrew, thanks for replying. Hehe...:D yes the small sandwich was tasty enough for me. Some really old cheese on it, with little salat, and kind of 'sause', I think,... that's the fig here  Wink

Cheers,
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineFLLspoter From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 314 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3743 times:

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
European countries have recently a lot of thunderstorms, causing big trouble to the aviation operations from time to time.

I can really comment on that one! I was at Madurodam on the 16th and the storm we had there was crazy. The entire park was without power for 3 hours.

Joe



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User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Nice TR and good to expirience both Airlines. Funny that AF crew didn't have a say about you listening to your cell phone music.

cheers: DALelite



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6807 posts, RR: 77
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3442 times:

Hoj Eric,

very detailed and entertaining report!

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
Breakfast this morning was the 'Trattoria' sandwich package, containing 2 ultra-small sandwiches: old cheese fig & ham/cream cheese.



Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):

Additionally I requested a coffee and orange juice, which came in a small 'Minute Maid' can. Which is new to me, as I never got served juices in cans on KL.

Interesting to see that new style - don't they serve these any longer?





Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
But, again AF disappointed me with only a very small bag of rice crackers. Therefore, I asked for a white wine, which was served.

Indeed, quite disappointing. Nice to see they serve wine on that short hop.

Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
The KL B734 is showing her age, and hopefully they get replaced in 2008 with the new B737-800(WL)'s.

KLM will take delivery of 10 B73G and 7 B738 within the next 18 months - but these can't replace all 13 B733 and 14 B734. Will be interesting to see what happens.

And yes, the B734's interiors show their age. Example:



Quoting Airbuseric (Thread starter):
AF staff/crew surely are the winner today, and provide a more professional/polite service to the passengers. Maybe it's also how they look, maybe it's their uniform. I don't know, but nowadays I just prefer AF above KL.

I still prefer KL over AF, mainly because AMS is much more convenient to change planes as CDG.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3421 times:

Quoting FLLspoter (Reply 14):
I can really comment on that one! I was at Madurodam on the 16th and the storm we had there was crazy. The entire park was without power for 3 hours.

A shame to read that you got bad weather with your visit to our country (in small)  Wink

Quoting DALelite (Reply 15):
Funny that AF crew didn't have a say about you listening to your cell phone music.

Yeah, I was surprised too. But of course, it was in flight mode, so not making contact to the network. Of course, it won't really interfere with any system on board in this way. No big deal... But at the other side,... there are regulations and it shouldn't be on at this stage of the flight.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 16):
don't they serve these any longer?

hi PH

I wish they did. 'Old Amsterdam' cheese is very good!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 16):
KLM will take delivery of 10 B73G and 7 B738 within the next 18 months - but these can't replace all 13 B733 and 14 B734. Will be interesting to see what happens.

Let's say,... a follow-up order for either B73G/738/739 will come sooner then later. KL's strategy is usually to 'test' a/c on certain routes before making the decision which subtype they need to order more from.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 16):
I still prefer KL over AF, mainly because AMS is much more convenient to change planes as CDG.

Basically yes, but that's your choice of airport. I agree,.. I also prefer AMS above CDG. But, airline-wise AF is the better one now in my opinion  Wink

Thanks guys for reading!
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6807 posts, RR: 77
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3416 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 16):
but these can't replace all 13 B733 and 14 B734. Will be interesting to see what happens.

Small correction: it should say 14 B733 and 13 B734, of course.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 17):

Let's say,... a follow-up order for either B73G/738/739 will come sooner then later.

Seems very likely. But do you already know more than us?  Wink


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
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