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Hubbing For 162 Miles: HOQ-FRA-STR Ret On IQ/EW/LH  
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6939 posts, RR: 77
Posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9338 times:

Hubbing for 162 miles: Hof-Stuttgart-Hof via Frankfurt on Augsburg Airways, Eurowings & Lufthansa



Intro
In the past few weeks I decided to take off from Hof-Plauen Airport (HOQ) for the first time – it’s closer than NUE, but I had never used it due to a very limited timetable. Between the 1980s and 2002, tour operators had used BAe 146 equipment on holiday flights to Spain, Greece and Tunisia but since 2002 the one and only destination has been Frankfurt - served by three daily turboprop flights, operated by Lufthansa partners (one daily flight Sat & Sun). Some years ago Augsburg Airways took over the route from Eurowings.

Round-trips HOQ-FRA-HOQ at LH’s lowest 99 Euro fare are widely available, even on short notice. Since I could add a new airport, a new type (DHC-8-300) and a new carrier (Augsburg Airways) to my log, I took a day off and got ready for booking. However, spotting at FRA is limited due to the closure of the observation deck and therefore I checked options for a connection to another airport. Only domestic destinations were available at LH’s basic fare and after a comparison between DUS, NUE and CGN I picked STR because I could add the missing BAe 146-300 (operated by Eurowings) to my log. Then I booked HOQ-STR-HOQ as a connection which saved 20 Euro in the end. Btw – the linear distance between Hof and Stuttgart is only 162 miles, while Hof and Frankfurt are 147 miles apart and Frankfurt and Stuttgart are 98.2 miles apart...


Online Check-in
Lufthansa offers a web check-in for all domestic and most European flights, available from 18:00 in the evening for all flights on the following day. I entered my data and soon realized it wasn’t possible to get access to a seat map, all I could choose was window or aisle. In the end I got 8F (HOQ-FRA) and 6F (FRA-STR). LH could learn a lesson from jetBlue which offers to pick a seat at the time of booking.

Hof-Plauen Airport
Hof-Plauen is a tiny airport, equipped with a 1480 x 30 meter runway, located five kilometers southwest of Hof. Exactly 26,810 passengers were counted in 2005 which means HOQ is one of the smallest commercial "airports" in Germany. The one and only commercial route to Frankfurt is subsidized by the state of Bavaria (76,35 percent), the city of Hof and the counties of Hof and Wunsiedel, total costs: approximately 1,5 million Euro per year.

Due to the limited use of the airport, the infrastructure hasn’t been a priority in the past years. Parts of the narrow road to the airport are in bad condition, and so is the asphalted ground around the terminal with its numerous potholes. I left my car at a private parking lot and bought a one-day ticket for 3,50 Euro – handwritten by the ladies at the sole check-in counter.  Smile Here’s the terminal building:





Tuesday, 19 June 2007
Hof (HOQ) – Frankfurt (FRA)
Augsburg Airways LH1391
06:15-07:15 (06:17-07:16)
Flying time: 00:51 (hrs)

Bombardier DHC-8Q-314
D-BLEJ (MSN 521), delivered 06/1998
Economy Seat 14F



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New Seat
At the sole check-in counter I requested a new seat and got the desired last row. I went through security and took a seat in the gate area. Half an hour prior to departure I counted only ten other passengers at the small gate. Many empty seats left:




Expansion Plans
The expansion of the tiny (and loss-making) airport has been discussed many times since 1996, but there have never been any results. Though well booked, holiday flights operated by BAe 146 equipment weren’t rated economic any longer in 2002. B737 or A320 operations are impossible and therefore it’s hard to attract new carriers. Some years ago even the total closure was evaluated: In 2001, when BMW was seeking a large area for a new car factory, the city of Hof took part in the tender and offered to sell the airport ground. Though, BMW picked Leipzig in the end and the airport survived. In 2004, an American investor talked about spending some 100 million Euro, but there has never been only a letter of intent.
Several months ago the logistics company Medov (based on the British Virgin Islands) held out the prospect of investing more than 70 million Euro. That investment would have helped to realize the construction of a new 2500-meter runway – visible on that information board at the gate area:



According to the airport management, tour operators and Hamburg International had ensured to start operations from HOQ after a runway expansion. However, exactly on the day of my trip the North Bavarian Aviation Authority in Nuremberg rejected the plans, raising doubts about both demand an financing. Now the Bavarian state government wants to invest more than 30 million Euro to simply modernize the existing facilities and help to secure the existing route to Frankfurt.


Boarding
DHC-8-300 D-BLEJ, which had been parked in a hangar at night, was ready for boarding at 06:00.




A friendly male flight attendant of Asian decent welcomed me on board and I took my seat in row 14. Typical window view on the DHC-8:




The hangar where the DHC-8 usually spends the night:





Cabin Comfort
The older style leather seats were quite comfortable…




…and I was surprised by the plenty of legroom:




Takeoff
Boarding was completed within a few minutes, some 30 passengers were booked on that early morning flight. We left the parking position at 06:17 and departed two minutes later after a short takeoff roll on runway 27:




The famous Autobahn A9 on the right:




Drinks
The flight attendant started serving snacks and drinks in the mostly empty business class section (divided by little orange signs on top of two seats) and served drinks in Economy. He constantly offered an extra drink to all passengers who had only ordered one drink. I drank a good coffee and enjoyed the scenery:




Holding Pattern
Right after departure the captain had announced a flying time of 45 minutes but later explained we would have to spend more time than expected in the holding pattern. The maximum cruise altitude was 5000 meters. Thick clouds over Hesse:




Approach
After circling for a while we started the final descent. Frankfurt’s skyline:






Seconds from touchdown at runway 25L:




Within a few minutes we taxied back to the regional aircraft ramp east of Terminal 2 (party visible on the very right on the picture above). A bus took us all the way to Terminal 1A which was very crowded at that time. The long bus tour was quite enjoyable and I got some interesting regs without using my binoculars – e.g. AtlasJet B757 TC-OGT with Eritrean titles, Yemenia A332 7O-ADP and Varig B763 PP-VTE.



Tuesday, 19 June 2007
Frankfurt (FRA) - Stuttgart (STR)
Eurowings LH1352
08:55-09:35 (09:05-09:46)
Flying time: 00:22 (hrs)

BAe 146-300
D-AEWB (MSN 3183), first active with BAe Systems as G-BSYS 11/1990-06/1992
Economy Seat 6F



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Boarding
I spent the remaining time at a window between gates A1 and A2. The flight to STR was apparently full, several passengers were waiting on standby. Boarding was started at 8:30 and a crowded bus took us back to the regional aircraft ramp, exactly on the same route. Again we passed many interesting aircraft, but some of them were too far away (e.g. China Eastern A332). Several Eurowings BAe 146 were parked there, most of them in new Lufthansa Regional colors, and we stopped next to D-AEWB – still wearing Eurowings colors. D-BLEJ was just leaving for another hop to Hof-Plauen:




Engine close-up:




Cabin Comfort
D-AEWB is still equipped with Eurowings’ blue leather seats:




The seat pitch is generous, but shoulder and elbow space is almost non-existent. Six seats per row are simply too many in a BAe 146. A tall pilot flying on standby took the seat next to me and I felt cramped like never before on an aircraft.  Embarrassment




Takeoff
We left the gate ten minutes late, taxied all the way to runway 18…




…and lifted off at 9:20 after a rather long takeoff roll:






Soon to be gone: the large Eurowings logo on the engines.




Approach
Only ten minutes after takeoff we already left the "cruising altitude" again. The time was just enough to serve some drinks in Business class.




Final approach:




We touched down exactly 22 minutes after takeoff and taxied to a remote position.



Stuttgart Spotting & Mini a.net-Meeting
First of all I went to the departure hall and checked in for the return flights. This time I got access to the seat map and chose window seats in the last rows on both the B735 and DH8. Then I walked to the Burger King restaurant and contacted a.net user Ndebele who had a day off, too. Ten minutes later Ndebele arrived and he took me to the other side of the airport for some spotting. An hour later I continued spotting at the observation deck where I got into conversation with an air traffic controller working at Berlin-Tegel. I logged 18 new regs, including XL Airways B763 G-VKNH.



Tuesday, 19 June 2007
Stuttgart (STR) - Frankfurt (FRA)
Lufthansa LH1359
14:45-15:35 (15:07-15:53)
Flying time: 00:28 (hrs)

Boeing 737-530
D-ABIO Wesel (s/n 2031), delivered 04/1991
Economy Seat 21A



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Slight Delay
Half an hour prior to departure I passed security and went to gate 173. D-ABIO Wesel arrived a bit late from Frankfurt:






Cabin Comfort
Boarding was started shortly after the aircraft had arrived and a friendly crew welcomed the pax. LH’s new short haul cabin is a real improvement over the old design. Pics from the database:


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However, the seat pitch is not as generous as on the DHC-8 and the BAe 146. The flight was quite full, but I was lucky and the middle seat remained empty.




Takeoff
We left the gate at 15:07 and accelerated eleven minutes later. I was surprised by a powerful takeoff and a steep climb-out.




Now a question for the locals: What’s that facility down there?




Approach
Again, the flight was too short for a drink service. Approach into FRA was started only 10-15 minutes after takeoff. Very clear view:




We touched down roughly at runway 25L 28 minutes after takeoff and taxied to a remote parking position opposite to Terminal 2. Funny occasion: While still on the taxiway the captain suddenly said on the loudspeaker: "Attention, ground wave ahead!" And indeed, some seconds later we "bumped" over that wave…  thumbsup 



Tuesday, 19 June 2007
Frankfurt (FRA) - Hof (HOQ)
Augsburg Airways LH1392
17:40-18:30 (17:45-18:38)
Flying time: 00:42 (hrs)

Bombardier DHC-8Q-314
D-BLEJ (MSN 521), delivered 06/1998
Economy Seat 14F



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Boarding
Back at Terminal 1A I drank some cups of tea at of of LH’s self-service bars and spent the remaining time with spotting and reading. Always welcome: the good selection of free newspapers. Just like in the morning, gate A4 was used for the flight to HOQ. This time only some 15 people entered the bus which brought us back to the distant regional ramp. As expected, D-BLEJ was waiting again – currently only HOQ and London-City are served with DHC-8s from FRA and one aircraft is enough for the schedule. Daily weekday segments: HOQ-FRA-HOQ-FRA-LCY-FRA-HOQ-FRA-HOQ.


Takeoff
I took the same seat as in the morning, but this time the aisle seat remained empty. We taxied to runway 25L and I spotted a LH A300-600 preparing for takeoff at runway 25R:




After our takeoff the A300 was still rolling…




…and rolling…




…and finally lifting off:






Approach
This time two female flight attendants – one of them apparently a trainee – served drinks. Again, extra drinks were offered to every passenger. The flight was uneventful and 30 minutes after takeoff we started the approach to HOQ.




"Downtown" Hof with the city’s train station in the middle:




Seconds from touchdown on runway 27:




This is D-PAUL – reminds me of a fire trainer.




If you want to enjoy a cool Franconian beer in the shadow of a real airport tower, don’t hesitate to visit Hof!  Wink Note the benches on the grass, belonging to a small restaurant:




Final stop at the ramp at 18:38: The aircraft for the connecting flights have just arrived…  Wink




Only five minutes later I headed to the Autobahn and was glad about a truly successful and enjoyable "spotter mission".



Conclusion
Flying from Hof-Plauen is very convenient, no crowds, no hassle and very personal service. I’m quite disappointed that the expansion plan was rejected by the authorities, I would use the airport much more often if there were more options. Most importantly, the route to Frankfurt will remain and probably some more turboprop routes can be added after the airport’s modernization.
Flying Augsburg Airways’ DHC-8-300 is a pleasure: plenty of legroom, comfortable seats and friendly crews. The noise level is acceptable. In contrast, Eurowings’ BAe 146s are awful due to the cramped 3-3 seating. LH’s B737 is somewhere in the middle, but sufficient for short haul travel. For 99 Euro, LH’s product is quite decent with free newspapers, drink service on board and free coffee and tea in the gate areas. And not to forget: a wide variety of aircraft types.


As usual, comments, opinions and questions welcome!


Best Regards,
PlaneHunter


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
27 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCO777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9324 times:

Great Pictures and a Great Report!

User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9236 times:

Very nice report with some excellent pics! I really like reading reports about the smallest regional airports, it's so much different from flying from a big hub.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Now a question for the locals: What’s that facility down there?

It's the Festo headquarters in Esslingen.

Regrads, Alex.


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5186 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9223 times:

Hey, PH,
great story.
Not easy to do four flights withhin such a limited area on such a variety of aircraft.
It seems you enjoyed your time in STR, next time send me a pm and I will
not go to Sweden that day
 Wink .
Best regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



Next: London City connections!.
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9193 times:

Another fantastic report with some really amazing pics, thanks for sharing!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
LH could learn a lesson from jetBlue which offers to pick a seat at the time of booking.

Delta does the same, I really like it.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
…and I was surprised by the plenty of legroom:

Looks indeed very good.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
and we stopped next to D-AEWB – still wearing Eurowings colors

How sweet. Old school, baby!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
The seat pitch is generous, but shoulder and elbow space is almost non-existent. Six seats per row are simply too many in a BAe 146.

I can't agree more. The BAe's with the 3-3 seat layout belong to the most uncomfortable planes, I really avoid to fly on them.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
D-ABIO Wesel (s/n 2031), delivered 04/1991

I also flew with it, LHR-DUS in June 2003.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
If you want to enjoy a cool Franconian beer in the shadow of a real airport tower, don’t hesitate to visit Hof!

Sounds good, maybe I can realize a something like PAD-FRA-HOQ-FRA-PAD in the near future but my next aim is an ICE ride to FRA, then flying FRA-MAD-FRA with LAN, then the ICE back to Bochum. Not a usual trip to Madrid but watching "Los Blancos" at the Estadio Santiago Bernabeu.

Patrick


User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9174 times:

Great report and fun to see you just flying for fun!

User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9118 times:

Hi
how nice to read this report. For such a great fare (99 euro all together?) a good choices of fligths. I never flew any Dash 8, and am planning to book a trip on that a/c type in the near future. As far as you mention, standby on the flights to HOQ will not be a problem  Wink So who knows,... maybe I'll go there to have a beer Big grin
How is the city of Hof? Nice for sightseeing and/or shops etc? Maybe that would be an option then!

btw, I recently booked also a LH 99 euro fare for AMS-FRA-AMS, will fly in September to meet some friend. Looking forward to it!

Gruß
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineNickbbu From Romania, joined Jan 2007, 185 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8897 times:

Great TR, I enjoyed reading it!

Maybe I’m a little picky, but there’s something wrong with those times…

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Hof (HOQ) – Frankfurt (FRA)
Augsburg Airways LH1391
06:15-07:15 (06:17-07:16)
Flying time: 00:51 (hrs)

59 min?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Frankfurt (FRA) - Stuttgart (STR)
Eurowings LH1352
08:55-09:35 (09:05-09:46)
Flying time: 00:22 (hrs)

41 min?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Stuttgart (STR) - Frankfurt (FRA)
Lufthansa LH1359
14:45-15:35 (15:07-15:53)
Flying time: 00:28 (hrs)

46 min?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Frankfurt (FRA) - Hof (HOQ)
Augsburg Airways LH1392
17:40-18:30 (17:45-18:38)
Flying time: 00:42 (hrs)

53 min?

Anyway, I got some time related mistakes in my TR too, so don’t mind about it too much…

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I logged 18 new regs,….

It sounds interesting… Do you mean that you write down every single registration number from the aircrafts you see?
You have build yourself a log containing all the a/c you have spotted?

Thanks again for the TR!

Nick



Romanian Spotters Forum Administrator
User currently offlineLH744 From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8872 times:

Maybe Gate to Gate-Time? I was wondering as well.

Can´t agree more with your opinion on the BAe, it´s unbearable, especially for the one seated in the middle seat. Unfortunately I seem to have the "luck" of getting those BAe´s all the time when flying DUS - NUE for my company.


User currently offlineBHD From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 282 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8834 times:

Excellent report with just the right amount of details and superb pictures.
Woody


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6939 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8646 times:

Thanks for all your feedback!

Quoting Ndebele (Reply 2):
I really like reading reports about the smallest regional airports, it's so much different from flying from a big hub.

The big hubs are good for spotting, but flying is more convenient from the small airports!

Quoting Ndebele (Reply 2):
It's the Festo headquarters in Esslingen.

Thanks a lot!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 3):
Not easy to do four flights withhin such a limited area on such a variety of aircraft.

Indeed, there weren't too many options. Too bad ZRH or VIE were too expensive.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 3):
It seems you enjoyed your time in STR, next time send me a pm and I will
not go to Sweden that day

Yes, such a meeting would be nice!

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 4):
Sounds good, maybe I can realize a something like PAD-FRA-HOQ-FRA-PAD in the near future but my next aim is an ICE ride to FRA, then flying FRA-MAD-FRA with LAN, then the ICE back to Bochum. Not a usual trip to Madrid but watching "Los Blancos" at the Estadio Santiago Bernabeu.

Sounds like a great trip. But if you decide to try HOQ one day, let me know.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 6):
For such a great fare (99 euro all together?)

No, unfortunately. LH doesn't offer connections for 99 Euro. Every single round-trip costs 99 Euro (101 including all charges), but booking a connection saves 20 Euro, so I paid 182 Euro.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 6):
As far as you mention, standby on the flights to HOQ will not be a problem Wink So who knows,... maybe I'll go there to have a beer

Let me know!

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 6):
How is the city of Hof? Nice for sightseeing and/or shops etc?

It's not a really attractive city, but there are some nice corners and plenty of shops in the centre. Hof is known for two local "delicacies": one is called "Schnitz", a kind of hotpot, and the other is sausages boiled in a portable, coal-fired brass cauldron, which are sold in the streets by the "sausage man". There is also a strong beer (Schlappenbier), which is available only on the first Monday after Trinity Sunday (Schlappentag).

Quoting Nickbbu (Reply 7):
Maybe I’m a little picky, but there’s something wrong with those times…



Quoting Nickbbu (Reply 7):
Anyway, I got some time related mistakes in my TR too, so don’t mind about it too much…

As LH744 already assumed, these are gate-to-gate times. Flying time is just takeoff to touchdown.

Quoting LH744 (Reply 8):
Unfortunately I seem to have the "luck" of getting those BAe´s all the time when flying DUS - NUE for my company.

Yes, these birds are used very frequently on that route.

Quoting Nickbbu (Reply 7):
Do you mean that you write down every single registration number from the aircrafts you see?
You have build yourself a log containing all the a/c you have spotted?

Indeed, I write them down and transfer them to my personal database together with date and airport.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1722 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8614 times:

Hi PH,

I was already wondering how HOQ would be like, and with thanks to your TR I now know how it is like!
It seems like a very nice little airport were stress is an unknown word!
Is it always the same a/c that operates this route? ( except for MX reasons )
Thanks for sharing one of the nicest TR's of regional flights!

Gruss,
Joost ( DALCE )



flown: F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,77W,319,320,321,333,AB6.
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6939 posts, RR: 77
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8487 times:

Hoj Joost,

thanks for your comments!

Quoting DALCE (Reply 11):
Is it always the same a/c that operates this route? ( except for MX reasons )

Over a certain period of time, yes. Though, D-BLEJ was active on other routes in May. I have no idea how often the planes are switched, but I hope to get some more info soon from a friend who knows someone working for IQ. I definitely hope it will be a different DH8 when I fly HOQ-FRA-HOQ again in September. They should send D-BHOQ...  Wink


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8416 times:

Hi PH,

I really enjoyed reading your report about HOQ - one of the few remaining German airports I haven't read a report about so far. I also found your descriptions about the actual development at HOQ quite informative.

Thanks again for the report and the great pics.

Regards
Christoph


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6939 posts, RR: 77
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8367 times:

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 13):
I really enjoyed reading your report about HOQ - one of the few remaining German airports I haven't read a report about so far.

Thanks, Christoph! Would be interesting to know which German airports haven't been covered here yet.

Let's see who's the first with FFM!


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineStefanPAD From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 282 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8363 times:

Hi Guys!

What a about a meeting in HOQ? Franken ist the area with most beer breweries in the world. Should be a reson to say "Prost!"

Stefan


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8244 times:

Quoting StefanPAD (Reply 15):
Hi Guys!

What a about a meeting in HOQ? Franken ist the area with most beer breweries in the world.

Great idea, but unfortunately I have no time (and money) before beginning of next year. I have a few upcoming trips planned (Latvia & Spain) and they must be financed among other things I like to spend my money for, my budget for flying in 2007 is already used up after booking these planned trips.  Sad

Stefan, a friend and me will definitely fly from/to PAD via FRA when there will be a HOQ meeting. What do you think about a few drinks in the "Sappho" after returning? Big grin

Patrick


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6939 posts, RR: 77
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8095 times:

Quoting StefanPAD (Reply 15):
What a about a meeting in HOQ? Franken ist the area with most beer breweries in the world. Should be a reson to say "Prost!"

 checkmark 

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 16):
Great idea, but unfortunately I have no time (and money) before beginning of next year. I have a few upcoming trips planned (Latvia & Spain) and they must be financed among other things I like to spend my money for, my budget for flying in 2007 is already used up after booking these planned trips.

Maybe we can arrange a meeting in spring 2008.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7997 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 17):
Maybe we can arrange a meeting in spring 2008.

Sounds good to me, let's stay in touch regarding the HOQ meeting!

Is it possible to visit the Hösl brewery?  Wink

Patrick


User currently offlineStefanPAD From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 282 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7981 times:

Quote:
Sabena332: What do you think about a few drinks in the "Sappho" after returning?

I don't know the Sappho, but why not having some drinks?  Smile

Quote:
PlaneHunter: Maybe we can arrange a meeting in spring 2008.

Sounds good, but I don't know if I'll be in Germany that time. From Autumn this year I'll have one year without work but with some salary. Therefore I'm planing to travel a lot next year, depending on my budget.

Quote:
Sabena332: Sounds good to me, let's stay in touch regarding the HOQ meeting!

Good idea!

Stefan


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7933 times:

Quoting StefanPAD (Reply 19):
I don't know the Sappho, but why not having some drinks?

The Sappho is fun, it is in downtown Paderborn and they have three floors, the first one is a normal bar, on the second one you can play darts, pool, etc. and the basement is a disco. Usually we go there at 1 AM until they close, then a kebab from the snack-bar next door and a few beers more in the Irish pub which is nearby (masses of drunk Brits there, soooo funny).

Patrick


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6939 posts, RR: 77
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7825 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 18):
s it possible to visit the Hösl brewery?

That should be somehow possible on personal request - the time would be enough to squeeze it in between arrival and departure at HOQ.  Wink


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7809 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 21):
That should be somehow possible on personal request - the time would be enough to squeeze it in between arrival and departure at HOQ.

Sounds fantastic, count us in for spring 2008! Big grin

I will probably be the first person that checks-in a case of Hösl Weizen at HOQ airport.  Silly

Patrick


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7727 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Lufthansa offers a web check-in for all domestic and most European flights, available from 18:00 in the evening for all flights on the following day.

Most annoyingly, you can only check in for flights for 24 hours from your current time: I flew FRA-VIE-FRA on Wednesday, and my return flight from VIE left at 19:15; when I checked in online at 18:10, I was not able to check in for the return flight, even though the system had offered to check me in: I ended up with a message saying that my check-in couldn't be completed and that I should call LH to check in by phone.

When I did that, I was told that I had actually already been checked in for the outbound, but I could only check in for the inbound from 19:15 that evening onwards.... 24 hours before the flight.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Btw – the linear distance between Hof and Stuttgart is only 162 miles, while Hof and Frankfurt are 147 miles apart and Frankfurt and Stuttgart are 98.2 miles apart...

Hillarious distances to be flying...  Wink

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
LH could learn a lesson from jetBlue which offers to pick a seat at the time of booking.

BA and LX both also offer selecting your seat from a seatmap while checking in online - since I, for obvious reasons, don't book online (I want to save money after all...  Wink) selecting a seat while booking online is of no value to me - but selecting it while checking in online is a great timesaver for me, since I often arrive at the airport with not really that much time to spare...  Wink

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Now the Bavarian state government wants to invest more than 30 million Euro to simply modernize the existing facilities and help to secure the existing route to Frankfurt.

That sounds rather small-minded; paying 30 million just for the route to FRA? I know that it's an important route - but expanding the airport by paying more could easily end up earning the airport much more money...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
This is D-PAUL – reminds me of a fire trainer.

...  rotfl  ...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 10):
Quoting Ndebele (Reply 2):
I really like reading reports about the smallest regional airports, it's so much different from flying from a big hub.

The big hubs are good for spotting, but flying is more convenient from the small airports!

It's not as small as HOQ, but I know why I always enjoyed flying from HAJ: car seat to plane seat in less than 20 minutes was nothing unusual for me there...

Though FRA isn't near as bad as a lot of people around here always claim it is - if you're planning on being at the airport 20 minutes prior to your departure, you might as well stay at home here... there's no way you're getting your flight.

Then again, from entering the terminal until sitting down at the gate, I only needed about 9 minutes last week Thursday: I was flying to ZRH (and you have to clear security twice for that flight!), but I only had 2 people in line in front of me at the first security checkpoint, no-one at customs, and just one at the second security checkpoint. So even flying from a big hub can be quick at times...  Wink

Great report! I'll see when I can get around to reading your LH/JK report...  Smile



Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7693 times:

Nice report and great pictures!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
I entered my data and soon realized it wasn’t possible to get access to a seat map, all I could choose was window or aisle.

Yeah, I found that out when checking in online for a flight from Bangkok to Kuala Lumpur on LH. What a shame. The first airline I booked with that offered seat selection during booking, for free, was Vueling - which, by the way, offers an excellent quality for a budget airline.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Six seats per row are simply too many in a BAe 146

Yep, I agree 100%. I flew on a CityFlyer Express RJ100 once with that layout, and the plane was completely full. Terrible flight! A few months ago I took a Brussels Airlines RJ85 with a 2/3 layout and that was much better - especially since there were only 15 pax or so on board...


25 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Thanks for all new replies! No doubts about that! Yes indeed - and we also shouldn't forget that a plan backed by PRIVATE investors was rejected by th
26 Post contains images Leskova : In all fairness to the larger airlines, and LH in this case: setting up a completely new system and putting in all kinds of gimmicks is much easier t
27 PlaneHunter : That's certainly true in many cases. But it also seems some large airlines are much faster in adopting new services than others. American carriers ar
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