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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1722 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10825 times:

This time a guided trip with some customers was on the agenda, and the snooze option on the alarm clock suffered some stress this morning. After pressing snooze twice I struggled out of bed around 04.15 to have a shower and a cup of coffee and making ready for my departure to AMS. At 04.45 I started engine nr. 1 of the Renault in front of the door and taxied to the highway. Traffic was very light actually and at 05.55hrs I waited a bit at desk 8 at the LH counter. What I didn't see was that my customers arrived a bit early and were already there, which was very good as the queues for check-in were very long.
The check-in computers were all out of order so I decided to ask my ticket agent how we could check inn e-tix with all the machines "kaputt". She smiled and checked us all in instantly, which was obviously very nice. This ment we could walk over to the security check bypassing the huge queues at the check-in counters.
Just as last Monday this queues weren't too long and within 10 minutes the whole group passed security.
We wandered to gate B11 were an Airbus 321 was awaiting her first flight of the day with a short hop to FRA.

Flight: LH 4689
Routing: AMS-FRA
Reg: D-AIRL
Type: Airbus A 321
Seat: 5A
Load factor: business 75% / Eco 95%
4th flight on the A 321 and the 1st on this machine


We saw a lot of people waiting at the gate so we decided to grab a cup of coffee at the Sportsbar near gate B9. Boarding was announced so we could see as everybody stood up and queued up. When the queue was almost gone we walked over and boarded the good looking 321 through door 1L..
After boarding was completed we were pushed from the gate and taxied to rwy 24 for take off.


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We turned left towards the southeast direction and service started after the seatbelt lights were switched off. I decided to have another cup of coffee as did most passengers around me.
A fresh breadroll with cheese was served which tasted really good and fresh. It looked to me that LH improved service on this short hop. Legroom on the 321 was sufficient but not too roomy. But again with 1,91mtr height every aircraft is quite tight. After only 25 or so minutes we started our descent into Frankfurt. We were assigned runway 07L for landing. Our pilot flying made a comfortable landing and we taxied to the A-concourse. Disembarkation was a bit messy as it seemed that 170 passengers stood up from their seat immediately after the parking brakes were set. Luckily with our row 5 and 6 seats we were soon setting ground on German soil.

Out of the terminal 1 we went to catch the bus to Tor 25 were the main gate of Lufthansa Cargo is located.

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We had to wait a bit for our tourguide to be there, but we were 20 minutes early.
Our guided tour at the LCAG premises lasted for 2,5 hours, unfortunately but logically no pictures were allowed to take, due security reasons.
During the tour we went on the tarmac and watched the last pallets being loaded on the MD-11F which was due to leave for TSE and I believe PVG.
After the great tour we went to the LCAG-canteen located across the DHL building and had lunch.
At 1300 the bus back to terminal 1 arrived which we entered. Only 3 stops later we exited the bus at the LAC where the second tour of the day was given. This tour went through the Flight Training center, Simulator area, maintenance halls, engine workshops and also entering a couple of birds being prepared for a late night departure to the far east.
I will let the pictures do the talking here.

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nice to see the retrojet from this close


At 16.15 our tour ended and we went back to Terminal 1, where we could queue up for security after the AMS agent also checked us in for the flight back to AMS.
The line was short and within 5 minutes some of the group could start shopping  
After this was done we walked almost all the way down the A-concourse as our flight was given gat A 38 which is about 1km walk ( or so it seemed )

Flight: LH 4682
Routing: FRA-AMS
Reg: D-ABXN
Type: Boeing 737-330
Seat: 7A ( actual 6A )
Load factor: business 0% / Eco 30%
4th flight on the 733 and 1st on this machine


Boarding started a bit late, which was no problem as the load on this flight was very light.
Within an heartbeat we heard the boarding completed and the doors were closed almost 10 minutes early. The purser offered us to change seats as everybody seemed to be seated from row 7 to 13. As 7A does not offer a window I decided to sit at 6A were I had a nice view of the FRA apron.

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320 being pushed back

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then it was our turn

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Tschuss!

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After a short wait we pushed back and were given the thumbs up from the ramp agent.
We taxied to rwy 25R and I saw a company MD-11F landing on 25L as we thundered down 25R.

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The new A 380 maintenance facililty at FRA.

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The view offered amazing cloud formations during the whole flight.

We were served a small cheese-sandwich and drinks. 10 minutes later the attendants passed by again to offer a second drink, which was very nice. According the information given by the F/O our cruising altitude was only 20.000ft.

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Volendam

We entered the AMS area again around Volendam and Purmerend and had a Spykerboor approach to rwy 18C. Touchdown was soft and breaking very hard.

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After turning onto the taxiway I understood why we braked so hard. On short finals for 18C was already an KL 772 and for my feeling quite close to us. Nevertheless we taxied over the southern bridge across the A4 to our finger-gate at B9. Deboarding was quick and I was the first of the plane, as nobody was seated in the rows in front of me 

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After we entered the arrivals hall we said our goodbyes and we all went our own way.
Around 2000hrs I was back home and ready for a cup of coffee at the couch watching TV.
It sure was a nice and interesting day, weather was great, flights were comfortable and I was very tired.

Brgds,
DALCE

[Edited 2007-07-15 15:45:06]

[Edited 2007-07-15 15:52:14]

Edited due to pics not working properly.

[Edited 2007-07-15 15:55:49]


flown: F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,77W,319,320,321,333,AB6.
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User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From UK - England, joined Sep 2003, 5186 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10761 times:

Hi, Joost,
great story and pix.
When I recall that hot wheather yesterday, it seems you need much more than a cup of coffee to feel alright.
Sounds like a great experience.
That was a special session for your costumers or is this tour open to the public?.
Best regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



Next: London City connections!.
User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10610 times:

Hi Joost

nice report. I know your business a bit at LH, but for what kind of purpose do you offer this kind of trip to the customers? Is this basic from LH's point of view?
Anyway, your WOW partner from JL would never say no against such visit  Wink

Nice to see 'my' freighter on the S-apron at AMS, before you got airborne. I was actually working on that flight, which headed for FRA later that day. Did you see it there again?

I'll fly LH in September. Flights currently listed as A320 and B735. Will give you my opinions then too  Smile

Mazzel!
Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1722 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10312 times:

Hi Markus,

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 1):
it seems you need much more than a cup of coffee to feel alright.

I could use liters of it  Smile

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 1):
Sounds like a great experience.
That was a special session for your costumers or is this tour open to the public?.

It sure is a great experience, although it was not the first time for me.
Will have to check this for you. Will do so and inform you.


Hi Eric,

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 2):
for what kind of purpose do you offer this kind of trip to the customers? Is this basic from LH's point of view?

Both a nice gesture to our customers aswell as a bit awareness how airfreight works. The morning program is work related as we visit the LCC ( Lufthansa Cargo Centre ). The afternoon is more pleasure related though.

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 2):
Nice to see 'my' freighter on the S-apron at AMS, before you got airborne. I was actually working on that flight, which headed for FRA later that day. Did you see it there again?

No I did not see it in FRA, I only saw 2x RU and 1x KA and 1x BA 747F's

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 2):
I'll fly LH in September. Flights currently listed as A320 and B735. Will give you my opinions then too

Just give me a email a week before, i can check the rego's for you  Smile
I'm interested in your opinion about 'us'

Mazzel,
Joost



flown: F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,77W,319,320,321,333,AB6.
User currently offlineBuck3y3nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9859 times:

I can't see any pictures. but a great report nonetheless...

edit:
can't see pictures because its probably blocked at work  Smile
will check the TR again when i get home...

[Edited 2007-07-16 18:14:47]

User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1722 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9509 times:

Quoting Buck3y3nut (Reply 4):
but a great report nonetheless...

Thanks!

Quoting Buck3y3nut (Reply 4):
can't see pictures because its probably blocked at work
will check the TR again when i get home...

Did the pics work from home?

Brgds.
DALCE



flown: F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,77W,319,320,321,333,AB6.
User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9426 times:

Hi DALCE,

nice pics! I liked to read that you flew on D-ABXN "Boeblingen", which is the town where I used to live for many years.

Regards, Alex.


User currently offlineMayhem From Belgium, joined Feb 2006, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9403 times:

Nice report, must have been a great day for you!

I've had a similar experience (a private tour at AMS) and it's a pitty you can't take pictures and tell everybody what you saw... those business processes are really interesting to see. Definitely the logistics and SCM involved in cargo handling.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27316 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9350 times:

Hi there great photos and write up.

Thanks

OA260


User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1722 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 9101 times:

Quoting Ndebele (Reply 6):
liked to read that you flew on D-ABXN "Boeblingen", which is the town where I used to live for many years.

Must be funny to have a plane named after your ( former ) town  Smile

Quoting Mayhem (Reply 7):
Nice report, must have been a great day for you!

Although it was not the first time for me to do this tour, it still is a very nice day!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):
Hi there great photos and write up.

Thanks for your nice words!



flown: F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,77W,319,320,321,333,AB6.
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6941 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8794 times:

Hi DALCE,

very nice report with great pictures. Flying in, visiting some airline MRO facilities, flying out - sounds like a perfect day trip for enthusiasts.  Smile


PH



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User currently offlineAGRflyer From Switzerland, joined Nov 2005, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8759 times:
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very nice pix. I like the one of the cabine. I will be seated in one of this seats soon flying FRA-BKK.


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User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8735 times:

Interesting report, nice pics!

Quoting DALCE (Thread starter):
At 04.45 I started engine nr. 1 of the Renault

Ha, ha... so, how many engines does your Renault have?


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8653 times:

Hello!

Really great TR and seems that you have a very interesting day in FRA. I envy you, my friend  Smile



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User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8457 times:

Hello DALCE,

really interesting report and a phantastic selection of pics. Really offered a nice "inside" view of LH. Must have been a great day-trip.

Regards
Christoph


User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1722 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8269 times:

Hi PH,

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 10):
very nice report with great pictures. Flying in, visiting some airline MRO facilities, flying out - sounds like a perfect day trip for enthusiasts.

Thanks for your nice words! It was a perfect day indeed  Smile

Quoting AGRflyer (Reply 11):
I like the one of the cabine. I will be seated in one of this seats soon flying FRA-BKK

You lucky guy  Wink

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 13):
Really great TR and seems that you have a very interesting day in FRA. I envy you, my friend

Thanks Aleksandar !


Hi Christoph,

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 14):
really interesting report and a phantastic selection of pics. Really offered a nice "inside" view of LH. Must have been a great day-trip.

It sure is a very nice inside view of LH, could not show all pics but had to make a selection, glad you liked it!


Brgds,
Joost ( DALCE )



flown: F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,77W,319,320,321,333,AB6.
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7364 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8225 times:
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Sweet pics of LH Cargo Md11. The only 11 that looks better is the FX birds.  yes 

User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1722 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8074 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 16):
Sweet pics of LH Cargo Md11. The only 11 that looks better is the FX birds

Here we have a different opinion Big grin



flown: F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,77W,319,320,321,333,AB6.
User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1722 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 21 hours ago) and read 7363 times:

About this tour I have had several PM's whether this tour was also bookable for private persons.
At the moment it is not possible to book this tour, unless you are booking the tour as a company.

Brgds,
Joost ( DALCE )



flown: F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,77W,319,320,321,333,AB6.
User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 21 hours ago) and read 7354 times:

Very nice report with some great photos, Joost! Such a pity that you weren't allowed to take more pictures during your tour at LCAG.


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User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2473 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 7222 times:

Fantastic report! I wish we were allowed to give tours over here in the states.

Quoting DALCE (Thread starter):
On short finals

Sorry, had to.  Wink The plane can do only one final.  Silly

XJR



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1722 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6792 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 19):
Very nice report with some great photos, Joost! Such a pity that you weren't allowed to take more pictures during your tour at LCAG.

Vielen dank Jens / Thank you Jens  Smile
It is indeed a pity that we were not allowed to take pics in the Cargo Center.
I truly think that a lot of people, even aviation enthousiasts would be surprised and stunned by the amount of freight, and the way an airline handles all the cargo.

Quoting XJRamper (Reply 20):
Sorry, had to. The plane can do only one final.

 bigthumbsup 



flown: F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,77W,319,320,321,333,AB6.
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17147 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6186 times:

Excellent TR, as usual.

The pics are really good. Why dont you send some to A.net??. I am sure they will accept some of them.

Thank you for sharing.

B747forever.



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