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UK Security Alerts: FRA-LHR-GLA On BA (49 Pix)  
User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 23
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So, I was visiting Germany and, while I was there, my girlfriend and I decided to visit the UK for 4 days. The idea was to spend two days in London to visit my friends Darren and Brony who had just had their first baby, and then spend two days near Glasgow visiting my parents. I looked at flights and BA had good times at a reasonable price so I went ahead and booked it. Ever since all the utterly stupid new security rules in the UK I have been avoiding LHR, but this time we couldn't really be avoid it. Why? Oh, why did we decide to do this trip?  banghead 

Fri, Jun 29, 2007: BA915, FRA 1010pm to LHR 1040pm, A320 G-EUUF, Seats 15A/B

We woke up that morning to news that police in yjr UK had disabled a car bomb in central London. Oh, great. Not a great omen! The last thing that we wanted to deal with was delays due to terrorist attacks. Nevertheless, we decided to fly anyway. We reached FRA by S-Bahn a couple of hours before departure and quickly made our way to Terminal 2 using the Sky train. We had checked in online so we quickly dropped off our (single) piece of luggage and tried to find something to eat. There's a Mexican place at Terminal 2 so we thought we'd give it a try. I'd highly recommend that you'd avoid it like the plague: the service was very slow, the staff kind of rude, and the food was pretty bad.

Eventually we went through security (it was very fast), had a quick look around the duty free, and went through the second security check (for US / UK, and Poland for some reason). The terminal was very quiet and mostly deserted.


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The gate was also quiet with only a few passengers hanging around; well, it was not going to be a full flight!


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It was 10 mins before boarding, still no sign of our plane, and no delay had been posted. I had somehow assumed that we would be bused to the plane. However, I then noticed a BA A320 taxiing towards us and I thought that it might be ours. Yep, it was ours and running late. Here's G-EUUF arriving at the gate.


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Given that it was clear our flight was going to be late, is it that hard to announce that? I find such lack of announcements really annoying. After 30 mins or so we boarded. I was amused to notice that BA seems to have changed their cell phone use from “no cellphone use on the plane whatsoever” to “no cellphone use on the plane while the engines are running”. Oh, good; they have finally seen the flight. We then pushed back and taxied towards the runway. We held short and waited there for a bit next to a LH A346.


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I then noticed some flashing lights from emergency vehicles and I wondered what happened. The pilot soon after gave us the explanation. A plane that had just taken off had blown an engine and it had to turn around. Until it was safely on the ground, take-offs and landings on that runway had been suspended. Oh, great. Ten mins later the plane in question (unfortunately, I couldn't see what airline / type it was) landed safely and we were on our way.

When we reached our cruising altitude the crew served a small snack.


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Nothing great, but at least the sandwiches were fresh and quite tasty. Coffee was then served and I also had a glass of sparkling water.


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Interestingly, BA also provided a small trash bag in the snack box, I assume to expedite the collection of the trash. It looked kinda cute.


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Throughout the flight, the monitors showed our route. I found the following very amusing:


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If you're planning to fly to “Brussels” Charleroi on Ryanair, you should take a note that Charleroi is really not very close to Brussels!  Smile

Here are a couple of (always popular!) shots of the safety cards.


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Here's a shot of the (quite dark!) cabin.


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Finally, we started our descent towards LHR. I tried to take some night shots but they didn't turn out great. Here's an example:


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I need to get a faster lens! We finally landed and taxied slowly towards our gate in Terminal 1. Then waited just in front of the gate for over 10 mins for the ground crew to arrive. By the time we passed through immigration and reached the luggage reclaim it was 1110pm or so. I was anxious to get our luggage since the last Heathrow Express train would leave just before midnight and we would have been screwed if we missed it. Our luggage arrived just after 1130pm and we had to rush towards the station. But we made it with a few mins to spare. Phew. Not a great beginning to the trip... and things would only get worse from then on. Sad

Sun, Jul 1, 2007: BA1494, LHR 725pm to GLA 845pm, A321 G-EUXJ, Seats 26A/B

The previous day we woke up to news that a second car bomb had been found in central London. Later, and as we were walking around the shops, we spotted Breaking News on a nearby TVs: a jeep was rammed into the terminal at Glasgow airport. Oh, for God's sake. Did this really need to happen the day before we were supposed to fly to GLA?

On Sunday morning we checked the news and Glasgow airport was still closed. During sight-seeing in London I called BA to try to see what was happening with our flight and the wait time apparently was over 45 mins. Ah, I think I can wait for a bit. The second call, an hour later, indicated that the wait time would be 30 mins. I waited another hour and the wait time dropped to around 15 mins. I called an hour later and my call was answered in under 10 mins. The agent I talked to said that GLA had re-opened and our flight was supposed to fly as scheduled. Good.

We took the Heathrow Express back to LHR, used one of the kiosks to check-in, and dropped off our luggage at the baggage drop (for some reason that took forever).

Going through security was quite speedy. However, we had an extra check, as a security person stopped us just after we passed security, checked our paperwork, and asked us a few questions. He was actually quite pleasant and in a minute we were on our way towards the gate.

It didn't take long for our flight to be flagged as delayed.


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The delay was a right pain in the  butthead . The area around the BA gates was totally packed with people and it was also extremely dirty. The same went for the small coffee area next to it (seriously, don't they have anyone cleaning the tables and sweeping the floors?). I don't mind hanging around airports usually, but that time I just couldn't wait to get out.

We eventually boarded about an hour and a half late (I was not complaining too much, under the circumstances).


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This was my first time on a BA A321. It was only about 2 months old too and it looked it too, as its interior was quite spotless. We completed boarding and started taxiing towards the runway. At some point, an elderly Scottish guy with a thick Glaswegian accent (and who by the sound of it had enjoyed a couple of pre-boarding drinks) told the nearest F/A that the gentleman across the aisle from him was still using his cell phone and that made him very nervous. The F/A got up and gave the naughty cell phone user a lecture about the dangers of using a cellphone on a plane. She then went back to her seat and strapped herself in... only to hear another cell phone ring 30 secs later! By that point I was extremely amused. Anyway, the second culprit was identified and also given a lecture. After that, there were no more cellphone incidents for the rest of the flight.

We eventually reached the runway and waited for a VS A346 to take off first, before we were cleared on the runway (with the VS A346 rolling in the distance).


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Our turn was next.


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I had intentionally picked seats on the left side of the plane to, maybe, get shots of the setting sun and I was not disappointed.


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This is a good illustration of our route to GLA.


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As it is usual in the evening flights from LHR to GLA, the service is a bit better than a simple sandwich.


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The snack was quite nice, I have to admit. I also told my girlfriend that I really enjoyed the proper coffee cups that they give, which make the coffee taste much better than the paper ones. Finally, the coffee/tea service arrived. I asked for coffee, my girlfriend asked for tea. We gave the F/A both our cups. She poured tea in both, then looked at me. You did ask for coffee, didn't you? I'm sorry! so she kept my cup and gave me coffee in a paper cup.


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You are frigging kidding me!!! Bummer. Sad Oh, and by the way the wife of the old Scottish guy in front of us pointed out to one of the F/As that I had kept taking pictures throughout most of the flight (I was snapping like crazy!). The F/A just shrugged his shoulders. Ah, good for him.

By this time we were making good progress over the UK and towards GLA and got nice views of the setting sun painting the clouds around us in interesting colors.


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We finally started our descent towards GLA. The weather was not all that nice, but hey it's Scotland!


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The approached took us over Glasgow and the river Clyde.


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Notice the nice condensation over our wing.


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The landing was really hard (rookie pilot in command maybe?).


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A few minutes later we were at our gate. As we were getting out of the plane I noticed three guys in hardcore heavy metal clothing sitting around and waiting for some more passengers to get off. They somehow looked really familiar. Ah, it's Sepultura! Ten years ago I would have run to get an autograph. I'm beyond that now.  Smile

We started walking towards the luggage reclaim belt and the closer we got the more pronounced the burning smell got. Remember, it was just a day after the attack. Most of the terminal was deserted and there was police everywhere. For some reason, however, the area around the luggage reclaim belt was totally packed with people. We waited for some time and eventually luggage from our flight started appearing. Among the first was Sepultura's drum kit.  Smile

Eventually our suitcase arrived and we set out to find my parents. Cars were still not allowed near the terminal, the road in front of the terminal was still shut, and the area in front of the terminal was covered with blue tarpaulin. Before we left LHR my dad had told me that we might have had to take a bus to Paisley (a nearby train station) and we would meet them there. Thankfully, it turned out that Car Park 1 had been opened for people who wanted to pick up / drop off passengers. Not only that, the parking fees had been waived too; cudos to the airport for not trying to totally milk the situation.

Getting to Car Park 1, though, was another matter. Normally, we would have got out of the terminal, turned right, and walked for 5 mins. Unfortunately, the terrorist jeep had been lodged itself in the rightmost door of the terminal and the area around it was kept clear. So, we had to get out of the leftmost door of the terminal, walk to the left, cross the road, and walk to the right towards Car Park 2. But, we couldn't really walk through Car Park 2 but had to go behind it. (Sorry if this is confusing; people familiar with GLA would probably appreciate it.)

We finally reached Car Park 1 and my parents. I really thought that our travel troubles would be over and our return two days later would be nice and smooth since things would have calmed down by then. I wish...

Tue, Jul 3, 2007: BA1483, GLA 1245pm to LHR 205pm, B757-200 G-CPEN, Seats 12E/F

So, we had two (OK, one and a half) nice days around Glasgow. One of the highlights was to visit the newly-restored Kelvingrove Art Gallery. It was nicely done, I thought, and an improvement over what it was like before. I especially enjoyed the Spitfire hanging from the ceiling.


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On Tuesday morning it was time to go. We decided to get to the airport early, just in case there was extra security. Car Park 2 had re-opened by now, so we parked there and my parents came over for a goodbye coffee. While walking from the car park to the terminal, this sight broke my heart:


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The Terminal was very busy and full of police (I think this was the first time I've seen armed polica at GLA). For some reason, it again took us a long time (over 20-25 mins) to drop off our luggage (the desks were just not organized well; it would have been faster to have checked in than just dropping our bag off). Oh, and why did all the BA employees at the check-in desks have Loganair uniforms? Is that a new thing?

The boards indicate that the flight would be at least an hour late. As we were enjoying a coffee at the terminal Starbucks, a second delay was also given. I went back to the BA desk to ask them about our connecting flight (we only had an hour and a half of connecting time at LHR). The agent there said that their information showed that the delay would not be that long and it'd be better if we got to LHR and then sort out our connection from there, if we ended up missing our original flight (which was BA910 leaving at 335pm).

Eventually, we said goodbye to my parents and went through security, which was reasonably fast (and they seemed to have redone the security area; it has a more modern look to it now). We reached the BA gate area and we had a tea and shared a panini at the cafe there. Boarding time came and went and we eventually boarded G-CPEN around 2 hours late. I was hoping to get some nice pictures over London from the window, but Disaster! Our row (12) didn't have a window (the only window was very forward from our seat). Oh, you're kidding me. I gave the “window” seat to my girlfriend and took the middle seat.

After everyone boarded we waited at the gate for a bit and the captain came on the speakers and said that, basically, there was another security alert at LHR, Terminal 4 had been evacuated, and they didn't have any idea when we would be able to take off, as the situation changed by the minute. Oh, great, we would now definitely miss our connecting flight...

After a couple more updates from the captain we pushed back and took off 3 hours behind schedule (and about 20 mins before the final estimate he had given us). I was not in a great position to take pictures but here are a couple during our climb.


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The snack we got was exactly the same as the sandwiche we got on the FRA to LHR flight 4 days earlier. Again, they were not bad, but I couldn't be bothered taking another picture. As we were approaching LHR the pilot announced that it seemed as if all long-haul flights from Terminal 4 had been cancelled that day, as well as a few flights from Terminal 4 to Europe. The security alert turned out to be a false alarm, but everyone was probably totally paranoid by then. Thankfully, our flight was from Terminal 1 so we should be able to get to FRA that day. At this point I should say that I was scheduled to fly back to the US from FRA the next morning, so I really really really didn't want to get stuck in London that evening. The head F/A seemed to have personally visited all the passengers who he knew were connecting at Terminal 4 to tell them what their options were. I thought this was very professional and nicely done.

During our descent, we approached LHR from the East and flew over central London. We did get some gorgeous views of the city and I was majorly pissed that I didn't have a window to snap pictures from. Still, these came out OK, considering that I was holding my XTi at the window and snapped blind.


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The landing was quite hard again and we slowly taxied to our gate. Really slowly, given that there were BA planes everywhere, as a lot of them were prohibited from reaching Terminal 4. Eventually, we got off and walked towards the BA connection center. It was quite surprising that there were no monitors there with connecting flight information. We asked a BA agent about our flight and she confirmed that it had already left. Oh well, let's join the queue. We reached the front within 20-30 mins (so, not too bad). The agent was very helpful and he booked us on BA914 leaving at 640pm (so 3 hours later than our originally booking). He said he would also reroute our luggage to that flight. I asked him whether he thought that our luggage would make it. Honestly, I can't tell you. Given how chaotic the situation it is today, I wouldn't be surprised if your luggage doesn't make it. Well, full marks to him for being honest!

Tue, Jul 3, 2007: BA914, LHR 640pm to FRA 920pm, A320 G-EUUF, Seats 24E/F

We had just under an hour to kill, based on the scheduled departure, so we looked around the shops at Terminal 1. There was a Williams F1 car on display, so I spent some time snapping pictures of it. It looked pretty cool close-up.


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Interestingly, even though I fully expected our flight to be delayed, and all flights on the board around ours showed a half hour delay, our flight seemed to be on time. Of course, it was not and boarding time came and went without an update on the board. A bit later, the board showed a half hour delay, which only left something like ten mins for departure. I just found that offensive. What is the point of showing a delay with a new departure time that is clearly impossible? The reason I was really pissed off was that we hadn't had anything substantial to eat since breakfast and, if we had been told the flight would be delayed for an hour, we would have just gone to get something to eat. Instead, we had to wait and look at the frigging board just in case a gate was given. Oh, and at LHR they have that stupid custom of only showing the actual gate for each flight 10 mins or so before boarding. So you have to rush to it as soon as it's announced. It is a pain in the  butthead . Yes, I know why it's done: so that passengers can maximize their time at the shops. It's still a pain in the  butthead .

Finally, the gate was announced (an hour late or so) and we walked to it. It had been raining on and off and, at the gate, a beautiful rainbow appeared just out of the window. I managed to snap it quickly before it disappeared.


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We finally boarded and the rain was not letting off.


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Oh, and the plane was again G-EUUF, the same one that had flown us to LHR 4 days earlier. What a coincidence. We pushed back and, after a short taxi, we were finally in the air.


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The weather around LHR was quite heavy as you can see at the following pictures (this had also contributed to the delays that day).


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And this was a first for me: a nice reflection of our plane on the clouds:


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A bit later the crew started the in-flight service.


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The snack this time was similar to what we had got before, but the flavors were different (I much preferred the other options I have to say).


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Also, notice my reading material for that trip: William Gibson's Pattern Recognition. A great book and highly recommend. By this time, the sun had started setting, so I snapped a few last pictures, and I put my camera away.


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The weather near Frankfurt was not any better than London so we got quite heavy chop during our descent and we had another hard landing. When we reached our gate, the terminal was again pretty deserted. Going through immigration was pretty quick and we then waited for our luggage. A few bags came out and that was it. Oh, bummer. Was I surprised? Nope.

We went to the luggage desk and filed a lost luggage claim. I asked the agent whether she knew when our luggage would arrive. Nope, there seem to be around 1,000 bags stuck at Heathrow right now. So we have no idea when it would arrive. Again, I appreciated her honesty. Given that my toothpaste and toothbrush were in the checked in luggage, and it was pretty late for any shops to be opened, my girlfriend asked whether they had any first necessities kits. Let's see if there are any left (so, we were not the only ones not to get our luggage that day!). Shortly afterwards she produced one. Here are its contents if you're interested.


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We stopped at the McDonald's in the terminal for a quick snack, as we were both very hungry, and then we just jumped on a cab. I still had to pack for next morning's flight back to the US!

Final Thoughts

What a pain in the  butthead  this trip was. In 4 days we managed to have 4 flights delayed by between 1 and 3 hours, and a missed connection. I've had delays, missed connections, and delayed luggage in the past, but not this many in the space of 4 days. I can't really blame BA for most of the problems. But, what they could (actually should) have done better is to announce the delays more accurately. I found it really irritating that, most of the time, the announced delay was too optimistic or clearly incorrect. Apart from that, BA's short-haul product was pretty good and I don't have many complaints.

I'll comment on the trip from BOS to FRA and back on a separate trip report (it was via PHL and my first time transatlantic on US). Give me a couple of days.

Cheers,

Tony


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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6893 times:

Very nice trip report. I was surprised to see that they offered a good catering on the LHR-GLA flights and better than the FRA-LHR leg. I really regret those "all day deli" boxes which were delicious.

BA has a really great product except a poor ground service and a really difficult hub.



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1661 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6740 times:

Hi Tony,

This was a very interesting read, I just followed the news from outside, while you were facing the trouble at both airports involved. Must really have been terrible.
I can imagine though that you've got pissed by the way BA informed you about delays so short before original planned departure. Is this a BA ( or LHR ) standard, or was it like this due to the problems with T4 at that point?


Some very nice pictures you've made btw.  Smile

Thanks for sharing!
DALCE



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User currently offlineBuck3y3nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 876 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6551 times:

for clicking "blindly" i'd say you got some very good results. Is this the result of the camera or the photographer ? Big grin
great trip report though... Delays on flights are always bad...
At least you didn't have to spend a night in London due to a missed connection and then another night in New York due to another missed connection  Smile

BTW, thanks for sharing the report...


User currently offlineMusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6462 times:

I always enjoyed hard landings!! Very nice report indeed, thanks for sharing!


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User currently offlineBA777ER236 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6408 times:

Hi Tony

A very interesting trip report - well done.

I'm sorry that you had so much hassle on this trip, but considering where you were going (GLA), I'm surprised you got back and forth without more delay to be honest. Indeed, I'm surprised your flights weren't cancelled considering it was GLA and LHR during the worst security problems this year!

Just one point though. A hard landing is one where the aircraft is potentially damaged, and would require an engineering check subsequently! I suspect that your landings were what we would (in the trade) refer to as 'firm'. Given that we do take considerable pride in our landings, perhaps you might consider that it is not 'easy' landing any a/c, especially when there are gusty conditions etc. At GLA in particular, you do not want to prolong the flare as the exit that you need to take is not far along the runway, and so this may lead to a 'firm' touchdown.

The state of term 1 BTW is down to the BAA (and is very frustrating for BA, I can assure you!)

Anyway, I enjoyed your report - when are you going to come on my 777 and do one?!

Cheers
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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6307 times:

Quoting SNATH (Thread starter):
I gave the “window” seat to my girlfriend and took the middle seat.

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I'll have to remember that one if the GF and I ever get stuck in a windowless row. "Go ahead honey, you can have the window seat this time..."

Sorry to hear of your travel woes, Tony. Hopefully things have been sorted out.


User currently offlineDjmatthews From United Kingdom, joined Dec 1999, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6163 times:

Excellent trip report!!! I did the GLA-LHR-GLA route on BA a couple of weeks ago, the service is always good and their evening 'light meals' are always tasty too.

I love the pictures taken as you were landing at GLA, you can see the apartment block that I live in on one of your pictures. I live very close to GLA indeed.


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3224 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

That was some compelling reading there Tony. A trip report of journeys made right through the security crisis! I could imagine how difficult that situation was for all concerned and the hassles involved. Sadly we live in a very turbulent world and times have become quite rough. BA seems to have tried hard but yes, you mention not being fully accurate about delays. The trouble is that in these situations the airlines can only relay what the authorities, namely the Government and BAA, has told them and so delays can be very long and information sketchy and sometimes circuitous so it is not really BA's fault as such.

Granted, it is a pain in the wrong side but then at least you have a story to tell us! Well written and presented plus those pictures added to the story.

TrinToCan.



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8430 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5784 times:
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Hi Tony,

Excellent reading and a good set of pictures too, many thanks.

You really were unlucky with the flights in terms of the problems occuring, on th face of it BA did a pretty decent job of dealing with things.

I'll keep an eye out for the trip home.

Regards

Mark



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User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5739 times:

BA are now famous for losing luggage. It's quite common.

User currently offlineComeflywithme From Argentina, joined Sep 2006, 265 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5642 times:

Really enjoyed reading your report along with the great pics - I live not far from the Asda store at Bearsden that you can see on the pic on the approach to GLA.
Considering the terrorist attempt at GLA the BAA staff did a great job of getting the airport up and running so quickly.


User currently offlineDjmatthews From United Kingdom, joined Dec 1999, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5576 times:

Quoting Comeflywithme (Reply 11):
Really enjoyed reading your report along with the great pics - I live not far from the Asda store at Bearsden that you can see on the pic on the approach to GLA.
Considering the terrorist attempt at GLA the BAA staff did a great job of getting the airport up and running so quickly

Bearsden, that's where that is, I always wonder which ASDA store that is when flying into GLA, I couldn't work it out.


User currently offlinePawsleykat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1978 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5547 times:

Hey.. great Trip report... always nice to see one from Scotland... top notch. I also noticed that your aircraft on the way to LHR, G-CPEN, was also my ride from EDI to LHR on July 12th... that's really cool  thumbsup 

JG  Smile



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5422 times:

Hey guys,

Thanks for all the comments and apologies for not replying sooner.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
I was surprised to see that they offered a good catering on the LHR-GLA flights and better than the FRA-LHR leg.



Quoting Djmatthews (Reply 7):
the service is always good and their evening 'light meals' are always tasty too.

In my experience, the early morning and late evening flights get the best service (I've had full hot breakfast in the morning in the past; I hope they still do that). I assume these are the flights most used by the business folks. It's interesting to see how bmi has gone all BOB on that route (bastards), whereas BA still maintains a good standard of service.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 2):
Must really have been terrible.

Well, it was mostly annoying. I wouldn't really say it was terrible.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 2):
I can imagine though that you've got pissed by the way BA informed you about delays so short before original planned departure. Is this a BA ( or LHR ) standard, or was it like this due to the problems with T4 at that point?

This was BA's main failing, I'd say.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 2):
Some very nice pictures you've made btw.

Thank you! Tell that to the screeners!  Smile

Quoting Buck3y3nut (Reply 3):
Is this the result of the camera or the photographer ?

The photographer! Of course!  Smile

Quoting Buck3y3nut (Reply 3):
At least you didn't have to spend a night in London due to a missed connection and then another night in New York due to another missed connection

Ouch. The thing is that I don't mind getting stuck somewhere, as long as it's not getting stuck at the airport. Once, due to AF screwing up in many levels, I got stuck in Paris for a day. Well, this doesn't sound that bad, does it? And it wouldn't have been (I always enjoy visiting Paris), if I didn't need to spend most of the day at the airport trying to (unsuccessfully) find my suitcase that AF promised I'd get. After that I went to the hotel and crashed out as I was too tired and pissed off about the whole thing. You know, I should write a trip report about that trip... that'd be fun.

Quoting BA777ER236 (Reply 5):
I'm sorry that you had so much hassle on this trip, but considering where you were going (GLA), I'm surprised you got back and forth without more delay to be honest. Indeed, I'm surprised your flights weren't cancelled considering it was GLA and LHR during the worst security problems this year!



Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 9):
You really were unlucky with the flights in terms of the problems occuring,

Yes, I also thought that we were pretty lucky to get to our destinations on the day of travel, considering the circumstances.

Quoting BA777ER236 (Reply 5):
A hard landing is one where the aircraft is potentially damaged, and would require an engineering check subsequently! I suspect that your landings were what we would (in the trade) refer to as 'firm'.

I was not really aware of the distinction. I'll try to use "firm" from now on.

Quoting BA777ER236 (Reply 5):
At GLA in particular, you do not want to prolong the flare as the exit that you need to take is not far along the runway, and so this may lead to a 'firm' touchdown.

So, the hardest, oops I meant "firmest"  Smile, landing I've ever had was at Ivalo up North in Finnish Lapland. Basically, it was in the middle of the winter, with very low cloud cover, and snow everywhere. The pilot spectacularly slammed the MD-80 really early on the runway to make sure, I assume, that he could maximize the breaking distance. Pretty coll stuff.

Quoting BA777ER236 (Reply 5):
Anyway, I enjoyed your report - when are you going to come on my 777 and do one?!

Sorry, but I don't really fly BA long-haul due to the pathetic number of miles that BA gives to economy passengers. I stick to *A, with the odd leg on AA.

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 6):
I'll have to remember that one if the GF and I ever get stuck in a windowless row. "Go ahead honey, you can have the window seat this time..."

Thanks John. No more malt whisky for you!  Smile

Quoting Djmatthews (Reply 7):
I love the pictures taken as you were landing at GLA, you can see the apartment block that I live in on one of your pictures. I live very close to GLA indeed.

And why weren't you at the window with a huge telephoto?  Smile I also lived it Glasgow too for 11 years BTW (just off Maryhill road, if you believe it!).

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 8):
The trouble is that in these situations the airlines can only relay what the authorities, namely the Government and BAA, has told them and so delays can be very long and information sketchy and sometimes circuitous so it is not really BA's fault as such.

I disagree with this. In my experience, even without major problems like that, BA has been sketchy showing delay information. The evening LHR to GLA flight is often delayed (I assume as delays pile up in the system during the day) and, in my experience, there were never very forthcoming about delay information. Also, notice that when we were leaving FRA (and there were no major problems at the time), boarding time came and went and no announcement came (even though it was clear that we were not leaving on time). And, from my trip reports, you can probably work out that I handle delays reasonably well, given that I know they are part of travelling. But I really want the airlines to be upfront about them so that I can decide how to spend the next 30-60-whatever mins. I don't think this is too much to ask.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 9):
on th face of it BA did a pretty decent job of dealing with things.

Yes, they did OK considering...

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 9):
I'll keep an eye out for the trip home.

I'll post it real soon as it's almost ready. I just want to read it one more time. I'll add a link from this one too.

Quoting Comeflywithme (Reply 11):
Considering the terrorist attempt at GLA the BAA staff did a great job of getting the airport up and running so quickly.

Again, I'm no huge fan of BAA, but yes they seemed to have handled the situation pretty well.

Quoting Pawsleykat (Reply 13):
always nice to see one from Scotland...

Search my trip reports, I have a few more!!!

Quoting Pawsleykat (Reply 13):
I also noticed that your aircraft on the way to LHR, G-CPEN, was also my ride from EDI to LHR on July 12th... that's really cool

So, I love the B757s on this route. Once I was on the evening LHR to GLA flight on a B757, which was not totally full, and the take off was totally amazing; it was so powerful...

Thanks again and safe flying everyone!

Tony



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5415 times:

...and you can read my BOS-PHL-FRA trip on US here, if you're inrested:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/104884/

Tony



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6643 posts, RR: 78
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5248 times:

Hi Tony,

I enjoyed reading yet another entertaining report. You really had some bad luck with all these delays.

Quoting SNATH (Thread starter):
Fri, Jun 29, 2007: BA915, FRA 1010pm to LHR 1040pm, A320 G-EUUF, Seats 15A/B

Good old G-EUUF - I had a ride on that bird back in 2002 when it was only a few months old.

Quoting SNATH (Thread starter):
As it is usual in the evening flights from LHR to GLA, the service is a bit better than a simple sandwich.

Looks nice, the food is well presented, much better than longhaul meals on numerous longhaul carriers. And is that an ice cream on the other pic?

Quoting SNATH (Thread starter):
Oh, and by the way the wife of the old Scottish guy in front of us pointed out to one of the F/As that I had kept taking pictures throughout most of the flight (I was snapping like crazy!). The F/A just shrugged his shoulders. Ah, good for him.

How ridiculous. Good to see the F/A replied professionally by ignoring that nonsense.


PH



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User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5223 times:

Quoting SNATH (Thread starter):
I was amused to notice that BA seems to have changed their cell phone use from “no cellphone use on the plane whatsoever” to “no cellphone use on the plane while the engines are running”.

Errrmmmm.....the rule has always been "no mobile phone use whilst engines running"



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User currently offlinePawsleykat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1978 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5207 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 14):
Search my trip reports, I have a few more!!!

I will do!  thumbsup 

Quoting SNATH (Reply 14):
So, I love the B757s on this route. Once I was on the evening LHR to GLA flight on a B757, which was not totally full, and the take off was totally amazing; it was so powerful...

Yeah... powering out of EDI is exactly what we did... we rotated so quickly,  biggrin , twas fab!

JG  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 16):
I enjoyed reading yet another entertaining report.

PH, hi again!  wave 

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 16):
Good old G-EUUF - I had a ride on that bird back in 2002 when it was only a few months old.

You'd be glad to know it's still in pretty good shape!

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 16):
Looks nice, the food is well presented, much better than longhaul meals on numerous longhaul carriers.

Like, hmmmmmmm, let's pick one at random: US maybe?  Wink

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 16):
And is that an ice cream on the other pic?

You mean this, right?


MyAviation.net photo:
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Photo © Tony Printezis



No, it was a profiterole... which was very very tasty (I meant to say that but I forgot). And I saved it to have it after the meal with my coffee in the nice proper coffe cup. Sad Ah, nevermind...

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 16):
How ridiculous.

I couldn't agree with you more. I was tempted for a second to get up and start taking pictures of them.  devil  But I thought I'd better not.  Wink

Quoting Edina (Reply 17):
the rule has always been "no mobile phone use whilst engines running"

It might have been, but a lot of airlines in Europe (including BA) have been emphasizing (and enforcing) the "no cellphones on while on the plane, whether engines are running or not". But, BA seem to have seen the light and relaxed that stupid rule.

Tony



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User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

Quoting SNATH (Reply 19):
It might have been, but a lot of airlines in Europe (including BA) have been emphasizing (and enforcing) the "no cellphones on while on the plane, whether engines are running or not". But, BA seem to have seen the light and relaxed that stupid rule.

I work on line as a Senior F/A & as a Safety Procedures Instructor for BA & we most definitely have not been "emphasizing" your interpretation of the CAA/JAA regulations which differ significantly from those of the FAA in the US.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26502 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4845 times:

Hi Tony , thanks for a great TR. I was really surprised by the good offering on BA LHR to GLA!!! You got some cool shots of London also. Shame you got caught up in the GLA incident but lucky it wasnt any worse than it was.

Thanks for the good photos and write up.

Cheers

OA260



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