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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 19
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:





Air France - AF164

Paris Charles de Gaulle to Ho Chi Minh City Tan Son Nuh Airport via Bangkok Suvarnabhumi International Airport:




Aircraft: Airbus A340-313X
Registration: F-GLZN (Old Current Scheme)
Configuration: 36J, 236Y
Seat: 20A, Tempo Class
Flight Time: 1h 05m
Distance: 445 miles
Scheduled Departure Time: 13:15
Actual Departure Time: 13:19 (Doors closed at 13:05)
Scheduled Arrival Time: 14:50
Actual Arrival Time: 14:43
Departure Gate: F5
Flight Load: 65-70%


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Pre-Flight:

Having spent 11 Days in the coastal town of Hua Hin it was time to leave to fly to Vietnam. This was to be my first time in Vietnam and by this time I was really looking forward to not only trying Air France in over 10 years; but also entering Ho Chi Minh City.

We left our hotel in Hua Hin at around 7AM; the drive to Bangkok’s newest airport takes around 3hours depending on the traffic. The journey took around 3h 20mins (strangely longer than the actual flight) and traffic was light. We arrived at the new airport at around 10:15am and made our way towards the Air France check-in desks. The check-in was not actually open as yet; we had to wait 15 minutes until they were opened.

The Air France-KLM area was located opposite the Eva Air and Egyptair desks; and next to the Aeroflot desks.
At this time there were lots of passengers who were checking in for flights to London (Eva Air 777-300ER), Moscow Sheremetyevo (Aeroflot) and Guangzhou (Egyptair 777-200ER).


Check in area at Bangkok


Looking across to the other side


Air France KLM check-in area with flights to Taipei and Ho Chi Minh City checking in


Shortly after we checked in for the flight to Ho Chi Minh city; which the aircraft and flight originated in Paris. Today’s flight was scheduled to be on time; however the aircraft was due to arrive slightly later than planned.

We checked in and gained my miles onto my One Pass Card (Continental Airlines); only after to be told Air France is not part of SkyTeam?!!! However the situation was resolved after a quick brain wave serge from the check-in agent. I received seat 29A; which was to be located towards the front of the wing.

Shortly after we made our way to immigration, where the lines were short and quick. The so called observation deck was closed at this time, any idea why?

I had been told by many people that the airport was actually more of a shopping centre than an International airport; I guess they were right. There were masses amounts of shops in the airport; all selling expensive goods which is quite a reality check after being in Hua Hin where many clothes, DVD’s etc… are available for cheap prices on the street and in markets.

I shortly made my way to the F-Gates where the flight was due to be flown from. Located near the gates was a sports bar, a Burger King and several other shops and restaurants. Those of you that have flown from the airport will notice that the windows have small dots on them; which are very annoying for us airline/r freaks.


Looking towards the main building (where Check-In is located), with many shops and restaurants visible.



The E-Gates; where an Eva Air 747-400 shortly bound for Taipei and a Kuwait Airways A340-300 which I guess is either bound for Kuwait or Manila. The later I guess?

As I looked across the remote gates located behind the F and E Gates I noticed an Air France A340-300 (F-GZLO) which seemed pretty lonely with no activity going on with the aircraft. This had me slightly worried as the flight was due to leave in an hour or so.


F-GZLO located on the remote stands. Notice how annoying the black dots on the windows are!


F-GZLO of Air France and two Thai Airways 737-400s docked at the F-Gates.


Looking across the E-Gates with an A340-300 and a B747-400 visible.


The F-Gate security area.


A rather blurred photo of the departure information.

Shortly after an Air France A340-300 landed which at the time puzzled me as why there was two Air France A340s in Bangkok at the same time. I guess F-GNLO had broken down at Bangkok?



Air France flight AF164 from Paris CDG flown by F-GLZN making its way to the gate.

The flight had arrived slightly later than the planned time of 11:35am. The aircraft docked at gate F5 which was located at the last gate of the F-concourse.


Looking down towards Gates F3, F4, F5 and F6.

Ground staff announced for all passengers to go to gate F5 as soon as the aircraft had arrived. I guess they were still planning for the 13:15 departure and therefore gaining a quick turnaround.




Looking down from the upper level towards F-GLZN which had two Thai Airways Catering trucks docked onto the 2R and 4R doors. The aerobridges were located onto doors 1L and 2L.



A closer view of the aircraft at gate F5.


Shortly after B-18312; an Airbus A330-300 taxied past after arriving from Taipei.


Soon after another China Airlines A330-300 taxied past. I hope to soon see this airline in SkyTeam.


Another view of the aircraft that would take me to Ho Chi Minh City, notice the Ambulance located on the right of the photo.


F-GLZN being unloaded with passengers bags from Paris.


The scene across the apron as an Eva Air 747-400 pushes back for the flight to Taipei.


A Thai Airways 737-400 being readied for departure for Chittagong.


Looking towards the E-Gates where the Eva Air 777-300ER had just arrived from Taipei; and would shortly depart for London Heathrow. Notice the Vietnam Airlines A320 which would shortly depart also to Ho Chi Minh City.


Kenya Airways crew waiting for the aircraft to arrive from Nairobi.


Philippine Airlines A340-300 arriving from Manila.


Touchdown of Royal Brunei 767-300, hope to see the Triple 7s here in the future.

Soon after I made my way into the departure lounge at gate F5 and sat down ready for boarding.


Flight information for today’s flight to Ho Chi Minh City, I think the information boards that Air France provides are great.


Today’s captain was to be Mr. Di Liegghio accompanied by his crew onboard this A340. The crew was changed from the previous crew who operated the Paris to Bangkok leg of the flight. Various different languages were to be operated by the crew on this short flight; those including Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, French, Vietnamese and Thai.


Today’s flight was to be operated by an Airbus A340-313X which was manufactured in 1998 making the aircraft roughly 9 years of age. The aircraft was also equipped with the larger L'Espace Affaires (Business class) which held 36 passengers rather than the smaller 32 passengers equipped on some of AF’s A340s. The aircraft also featured the older colour scheme as opposed to the new scheme which has added logos on the engines and the ‘Air France KLM’ logo on the front fuselage.

Seat pitch on this aircraft was 31” in the Tempo cabin and featured a 2-4-2 configuration. In L'Espace Affaires the layout was 2-2-2.


L'Espace Affaires Cabin


Tempo Cabin



Looking out from the departure lounge; with a Vietnam Airlines A320 taxiing for departure to SGN.


Close up of the beautiful A340 nose.


Three beautiful A340s in one frame.


Egyptair 777-200ER having just arrived from Cairo, behind schedule. The aircraft would later depart to Guangzhou, China. The Vietnam Airlines A320 was preparing for the flight to Hanoi.


Soon after I arrived into the departure lounge, the ground staff announced that there would be a slight delay; however the flight would still depart on schedule.

A few minutes after the flight were announced for boarding to the delight of passengers. L'Espace Affaires passengers were invited to board the aircraft first before the usual two block Tempo class passengers were invited.


View from the Aerobridge; the first bridge was for L’Espace Affaires passengers only.

All passengers were on board soon after and the aerobridge undocked from the aircraft. However the aircraft waited at the gate for 15 minutes until scheduled departure time. As soon as 13:15 hit, the aircraft pushed back. The passengers which originated in Paris were already onboard and featured special cards on their seats.


View across the A340 wing as an Emirates 777 arrives from Dubai; the flight would shortly continue onto Hong Kong.


The very blue Tempo Class Seat with the map showing on the PTV.


Pushback with the guidance of the Bangkok ground crew.


The arrival of yet another China Airlines A330-300.


Kenya Airways 767-300 at gate F3 shortly after arrival.


Indian Airlines A320 after arrival at Gate F1.


Waving goodbye to the aircraft from the ground crew.


Philippine Airlines A340-300 after arrival from Manila parked at the E-Gates.


Saying goodbye to F-GLZO as we head to the active.


Qatar Airways A330-200 being readied for the return journey to Doha. Soon QR will operate a A340-300 + A330 on the double daily route.


Egyptair 777-200ER pushing back for the flight to Guangzhou after a quick turnaround. Partner KLM 747-400 being readied for the continuation to Taipei, the aircraft had only arrived a few minutes before.


Thai Airway’s first A340-500 (HS-TLA) at a remote gate. The aircraft would later depart to either JFK or LAX.


Looking towards the Thai Airways gates with a A340-600 and a 777-200ER.


Three Thai Airways aircraft all sporting the old scheme. A 777-200A, 747-400 and a A300-600R.


Two Thai Airways 747-400s and a single A330-300.

Soon we had reached the runway and the flaps were lowered. We were third in the line to take-off after a Bangkok Airways ATR-72.

I noticed that the A340 cabin was extremely quiet compared to the 777 which I had previously flown on to reach Bangkok.

Here is the video of the takeoff from Bangkok.

TAKE OFF VIDEO TO COME...

The aircraft took off quite quickly and strait away could notice the poor climb rate that is so much talked about on Airlines.net. However it was not as bad as had previously expected, nevertheless it was not a full load.

The aircraft maintained a South-wards climb toward the Gulf of Thailand before making a sharp left turn towards the Thai-Vietnamese border.


Shortly after take-off over the outer-areas of Bangkok.



The A340 takes a left turn over the North Gulf of Thailand Sea as the seatbelt signs were turned off.

Shortly after reaching cruising altitude the crew brought around amenity kits which included headphones, refreshment kit, earplugs and a eye-mask. Not too bad for a one hour flight!!

Soon after a snack involving sandwiches, water, yoghurt and a small cake were brought round by the crew along with refreshments. After eating a Burger King before the flight, I wasn’t to fussed about the food but nevertheless still eat everything bar the sandwiches.


The window view as we cruise above thick cloud.


The Tempo class seat with the main menu showing. The menu was interchangeable into French and English languages. The Tempo cabin was in a 2-4-2 configuration.


Looking towards door 3R which is located near to the wing.


Looking towards the front Tempo cabin with a light load.

Soon after the meal was cleaned away the captain announced that we would soon be descending into Ho Chi Minh City. The weather was due to be overcast with a high chance of thunderstorms. The city had just experienced a rain shower and was cool at a temperature of 27C.


Beginning our descent.


The mini-cabin of the L’Espace Affaires is visible.


Looking towards the Engine as we get lower and lower towards the city.


The in-flight map showing that we are near to Ho Chi Minh City.


Making a series of turns over the suburbs of Ho Chi Minh City.


Airbrakes slowing us down as we descend.

Shortly after the captain announced that we would be landing very shortly and cabin crew were to be seated. The approach took us over Ho Chi Minh City; a truly amazing approach as can be seen on the landing video. Some people associate the approach to HCMC as to similar at LAX!


Flaps are now lowered as we begin our final approach into Tah Han Son Nut Airport

Landing Video soon to come...


Taxiing to the terminal after landing, the runway activity seemed very light here with only one aircraft making a landing during taxi. The aircraft was a VN A320.


Looking towards the smaller Vietnam Airlines aircraft with an A320 visible in front of the new terminal


Rear View of a Vietnam Airlines 777


Passing a Vietnam Airlines 777-200 parked in front of the new terminal


Passing a Vietnam Airlines A330-300, equipped with PW engines


Another Vietnam Airlines A330, this time parked at the terminal. This model was a -200.


VN A330-200 being loaded for yet another flight to Asia


A Vietnam Airlines A321 parked at the current terminal


An Eva Air A330-200 being prepared for the return journey to Taipei


Looking across the window towards the new Taiwanese A330


Turning towards the gate which had two aerobridges, similar to that at Bangkok


This was my third Eva Air aircraft I had seen today; the others being a 777-300ER and a 747-400


Looking towards the VN fleet with a 777-200, A330-300, A330-200 and A321 visible


The tail of B-16311, a newish aircraft in the Eva Air fleet


B-16311 of Eva Air equipped with GE engines


Docked at the gate, with the two aerobridges moving towards the 1L and 2L doors


One last look across the wing before departing the aircraft

The seatbelt sign was turned off shortly after the aircraft arrived at the gate. For once there wasn’t mad chaos, perhaps due to the light load of this flight.

We entered the terminal via door 2L and made our way to immigration, which directly in front of the aircraft. Aircraft visible on the ground at the time was an Air France A340, Eva Air A330 and a Philippine Airlines A320 which had just arrived from Manila. There were also several dozen Russian aircraft in the background which looked beyond repair.

The immigration lines were split into Vietnamese and ASEAN desks and then foreign travellers. The foreign traveller’s lines moved slowly and I eventually had my passport stamped. (In Vietnam you need a visa to enter the country)

I then headed downstairs to where the baggage reclaim would be, you could still see the aircraft on the ramp from the baggage reclaim area. Baggage came through very quick and I made my towards the foreign exchange desk to get some Vietnamese Dong, however there was large lines so I decided to wait until I had got into the city instead.


As we headed towards the mini-bus I noticed the new terminal which will soon open


Driving away from the terminal you can see the masses amounts of people who are waiting outside the arrivals area of the terminal.

Buildings at SGN


Overall my flight was very pleasant; I was extremely impressed with the Air France crew. Having last flown on Air France long haul back in the 90s it was nice to get back in the air with AF. The aircraft was also very good however the A340 was starting to show its age. The A330/A340/777 is my favourite group of airliners so this trip was especially interesting.

One thing I must mention is that if Vietnam is to be a fruitful tourism country similar to its neighbour Thailand then airport staff for a staff must be more friendly and helpful. I noticed that the staff were no way as nice as the Thai Staff, however people are much nicer in the city than at the airport.

Looking forward to now spending time in Ho Chi Minh City and will soon post the return flight to Bangkok…

My Ratings:
***** Air France Crew
**** Aircraft; Airbus A340-300
**** In Flight Entertainment/Magazine
***** Crew Announcements/Broadcast of Information
**** Food/Beverage Service
**** Bangkok Ground Crew
**** Bangkok Airport
** Ho Chi Minh City Airport
*** Bangkok Immigration
* Ho Chi Minh Immigration
**** Friendliness of Bangkok Ground Staff
* Friendliness of Ho Chi Minh City Ground Staff

Some Shots of Ho Chi Minh City:






Thank you for reading and comments are welcome… Merci...

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Rob!  wave 

16 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Wow! Great Trip report! The pictures are awesome as well. What was the snack served on board?

How's BKK airport doing?


Cheers!



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User currently offlinePlateMan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 922 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Great trip report! Thanks,

Bangkok airport looks really nice as does the new one in Ho Chi Minh

[Edited 2007-08-12 19:47:50] typo

[Edited 2007-08-12 19:52:17] typo

[Edited 2007-08-12 19:52:43]


"Explore. Dream. Discover." -Mark Twain
User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3225 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

A lovely trip report. I especially liked the pictures. Trip reports from the Far East provide a fascinating contrast from those in the West, especially as the pictures depict operators and liveries which are not as common over here. One also appreciates the heavy airline traffic over there with a majority of flights being operated on widebody metal.

AF seem quite good and their passenger information boards with all the information that an enthusiast would love is really innovative - hopefully other airlines will follow suit. As for the glass with the small dots on it, that may be done to prevent photography - or more likely to reduce glare entering the terminal. BKK sure looks like a lovely airport, as does SGN.

Best wishes and happy flying.

TrinTocan.



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8484 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Excellent report Rob!

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
Notice how annoying the black dots on the windows are!

- Yes, don't like those at all!!

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
Flight information for today’s flight to Ho Chi Minh City, I think the information boards that Air France provides are great.

- Agreed, I think they are a great idea.

Nice report, photo's are excellent as always.

I've yet to visit the new BKK AP, however, looking at all the TR's posted, I think I prefer the old one + it had a better observation deck/area that never closed!

Vietnam is on my hit list of places to visit, really want to see the place before the sense of history is destroyed by economic growth.

Regards

Mark



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Fantastic trip report! The new terminal at BKK looks quite nice.

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
The aircraft maintained a South-wards climb toward the Gulf of Thailand before making a sharp left turn towards the Thai-Vietnamese border.

Not to be a nitpick, but Thailand and Vietnam don't border each other. The direction would be to the Thai-Cambodian border.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Great TR , ive always wanted to go to Vietnam. Were the PTV screens small or is that the normal size ???

User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 1):
How's BKK airport doing?

Ok I guess, there is still work to be done and its clearly visible to passengers. For example the two obervation decks are closed for construction.

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 1):
Wow! Great Trip report! The pictures are awesome as well. What was the snack served on board?

It was a sandwich, fruit youghart, cake and water served with another beverage of choice. Thanks for the comment  Smile

Quoting PlateMan (Reply 2):
Great trip report! Thanks,

Thank you

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 3):
A lovely trip report

Thanks  Smile

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 4):
Excellent report Rob!

Thanks  Smile

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 4):
I've yet to visit the new BKK AP, however, looking at all the TR's posted, I think I prefer the old one + it had a better observation deck/area that never closed!

Quite agree. I much prefer the old airport. The spotting areas inside the terminal were amazing and you could capture almost every aircraft with no problem. Now at the new airport there are security points preventing you from going to take many pictures.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 4):
Vietnam is on my hit list of places to visit, really want to see the place before the sense of history is destroyed by economic growth.

Ho Chi Minh is rapidly moving towards economic growth. However the northern city of Hanoi, the capital is much more less-comericalised.

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 5):
Not to be a nitpick, but Thailand and Vietnam don't border each other. The direction would be to the Thai-Cambodian border.

Thanks, completely forgot about Cambodia there...Jetlags catching up on me  Wink

Quoting OA260 (Reply 6):
Great TR , ive always wanted to go to Vietnam. Were the PTV screens small or is that the normal size ???

Thanks. The PTV's are an average size, however much smaller than other airlines screens such as EK/SQ/BR.

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1684 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Rob,

Excellent TR, Rob, more so with the great pictures going along your 'story'  Smile

As I'm planning almost the same route (AMS-BKK-SGN) in December, and not having used Suvanarbumi airport as yet, do you think 1 hour transit-time is sufficient between KL-AF ?
According KL it should be no problem and being 'one airline' now, AF should wait for the KL flight, if delayed (but I doubt this, as the res-systems are still separate)...guess, I should change to BR/CI for the AMS-BKK flight in order to guarantee sufficient transit-time ?

I was told the A340 will be changed to 744 with the start of the Winter schedules...is this because of the high-loads expected ? How was the load on your BKK-SGN flight ? You mention 'light load', but what does this mean in percentage ?

Enjoyed the BKK-SGN stretch, especially, and the arrival of your flight at Tan Son Nhut airport...more pictures of the city possible ?



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User currently offlinePilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Nice TR. Do you have any idea when the SGN terminal is completely open? I just found out I will heading there in March and look forward to checking the new terminal out.

User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1829 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Dear Rob
thank you for this excellent TR. Your pictures are really great. I can't wait for the return trip TR !!  bouncy 
As you know I flew the same flights last april/may (in fact CDG-BKK-HAN and SGN-BKK-CDG to be precise) and had the same good experience as you.

Quoting MH017 (Reply 8):
As I'm planning almost the same route (AMS-BKK-SGN) in December, and not having used Suvanarbumi airport as yet, do you think 1 hour transit-time is sufficient between KL-AF ?
According KL it should be no problem and being 'one airline' now, AF should wait for the KL flight, if delayed (but I doubt this, as the res-systems are still separate)...guess, I should change to BR/CI for the AMS-BKK flight in order to guarantee sufficient transit-time ?

1hr is sufficient and in most cases AF & KL planes are parked close to each other. And as you said, if your KL flight is slightly delayed, they will wait for you. AF has a long layover in SGN or HAN (the flight from BKK arrive close to 3 pm but doesn't leave to BKK before 7 or 8 pm). So, if it was me, I wouldn't change anything.

Quoting MH017 (Reply 8):
I was told the A340 will be changed to 744 with the start of the Winter schedules...is this because of the high-loads expected ? How was the load on your BKK-SGN flight ? You mention 'light load', but what does this mean in percentage ?

This is the case now every year. The B744 is used during the European winter as it corresponds to the high season for tourism in Thailand and southern Vietnam so they need much capacity. The routing is CDG-HAN or SGN via BKK. The majority of pax starting from CDG are disembarking in BKK. However, AF has traffic rights between Thailand & Vietnam, so in BKK, additionnal pax just flying this leg or connecting from another flight (as you) are joining the CDG-originating pax. But of course for somebody who just fly BKK-Vietnam, I think it's more "natural" to fly TG or VN than a European carrier like AF explaining "lower" loads for AF. But the loads are not always bad. I did this trip in april/may and the loads wre approximately as follow :
CDG-BKK : 100% full (J & Y)
BKK-HAN : about 50% full in Y and 30% in J
SGN-BKK : about 75% full in Y (don't know for J) and about half of people disembarked in BKK (not continuing to CDG)
BKK-CDG : 100% full (J & Y)

Goldorak


User currently offlineAauzou From Australia, joined Jun 2007, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

How did you find the service? When I flew QF SYD-SIN and AF SIN-CDG I found the AF F/A's were quite rude.

I am half French and speak the language fluently so it wasnt a language barrier. Just wanted to know if I was unlucky or if anyone has had similar experiences

Regards
760611


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1829 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Aauzou (Reply 11):
How did you find the service? When I flew QF SYD-SIN and AF SIN-CDG I found the AF F/A's were quite rude.

I am half French and speak the language fluently so it wasnt a language barrier. Just wanted to know if I was unlucky or if anyone has had similar experiences

I think you were just unlucky this day. It happened to me also a few times but in 95% of the cases I have very nice F/As


User currently offlineDoor5Right From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 707 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Nice report and pictures. Do you know what that Colonial style building with the flag on top is?


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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1829 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Door5Right (Reply 13):
Do you know what that Colonial style building with the flag on top is?

it's SGN city hall


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting MH017 (Reply 8):
As I'm planning almost the same route (AMS-BKK-SGN) in December, and not having used Suvanarbumi airport as yet, do you think 1 hour transit-time is sufficient between KL-AF ?
According KL it should be no problem and being 'one airline' now, AF should wait for the KL flight, if delayed (but I doubt this, as the res-systems are still separate)...guess, I should change to BR/CI for the AMS-BKK flight in order to guarantee sufficient transit-time ?

As Goldorak said, the flights are normaly parked close to eachother with Air France usualy parking at the F-Gates and KLM at the E-Gates. However this can change. I would say 1hr is enough, and you should stick with KLM.

Quoting MH017 (Reply 8):
I was told the A340 will be changed to 744 with the start of the Winter schedules...is this because of the high-loads expected ? How was the load on your BKK-SGN flight ? You mention 'light load', but what does this mean in percentage ?

That is correct, in Vietnam the European winter period is the dry season compared to the rainy season during the Summer months. AF experiances very high loads especialy to SGN and BKK during the winter and therefore the 744 is introduced. The 77W will be introduced in 2009 on the route (2 Class). The percentage of the flight to SGN was around 60-65%. However my return trip to BKK from SGN was around 97% in Tempo.

Quoting MH017 (Reply 8):
Enjoyed the BKK-SGN stretch, especially, and the arrival of your flight at Tan Son Nhut airport...more pictures of the city possible ?

Thanks, more pictures of the city will come in my return journey to BKK.

Quoting Pilotfox (Reply 9):
Nice TR. Do you have any idea when the SGN terminal is completely open? I just found out I will heading there in March and look forward to checking the new terminal out.

Thank you. Not sure on the exact date. I think the terminal opened for a period of trials earlier this month. But I'm not sure when or if the terminal is open fully as of yet. However it will be open when you travel in March.

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 10):
Dear Rob
thank you for this excellent TR. Your pictures are really great. I can't wait for the return trip TR !!
As you know I flew the same flights last april/may (in fact CDG-BKK-HAN and SGN-BKK-CDG to be precise) and had the same good experience as you.

Thanks. Looking forward to your trip report to Bangkok  Wink

Quoting Aauzou (Reply 11):
How did you find the service? When I flew QF SYD-SIN and AF SIN-CDG I found the AF F/A's were quite rude.
I found the AF flight crew to be nice. However I noticed a large difference in the return crew. The crew operating BKK-SGN were alot nicer. The crew should be fairly fresh as they only operate the BKK-SGN part of the flight. New crews are brought on to operate the Thailand-Vietnam and return legs.


I am half French and speak the language fluently so it wasnt a language barrier. Just wanted to know if I was unlucky or if anyone has had similar experiences

I also speak French fluently. But you will have no problem as many languages were offered on the flight. I think there was Portugese, Spanish, French, English, Thai and Vietnamese offered. English was very clear.

Quoting Door5Right (Reply 13):
Nice report and pictures. Do you know what that Colonial style building with the flag on top is?

Thanks. As Goldorak said, it was the City Hall.

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6714 posts, RR: 78
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Another well-documented, enjoyable report, Rob.

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
Flight information for today’s flight to Ho Chi Minh City, I think the information boards that Air France provides are great.

Interesting that AF uses the boards even for short flights.


PH



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