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TG AB6 3 Sectors In Y  
User currently offlineTrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 573 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 11869 times:

Hello everyone,
This report outlines 3 Y class trips on TG's A300-600, FUK/BKK, BKK/SIN, BKK/FUK.

Fukuoka, Japan (FUK) has a small international terminal (the new one opened in the late 1990s) with three domestic terminals that share a single runway. FUK is the third biggest/busiest airport in Japan. Surprisingly, JL is the only Japanese carrier serving an international destination from FUK (to PVG using 767). All carriers to/from FUK are Asian. QF, AO and DL used to fly here directly. Most routes served by smaller aircraft (737, 319, 320) with some major carriers using 333. SQ and CX use 777. Star Alliance carriers include TG, OZ, SQ and NH (domestic). There's a small NH lounge in the international terminal with a spartan supply of F&B. It is not located airside and has no windows but it is very close to boarding gates and is peaceful, which is more than can be said about some other lounges.

A300-600 sector #1 August 5th, 2007.
TG649 FUK/BKK Seat 37J Loading: 90%
Scheduled dep: 11:45 Scheduled arr: 15:05 Flight time: 5 hrs 10 min
Actual departure and arrival near scheduled.
TG649 is perhaps the longest current TG AB6 route.
Today, we flew on HS-TAY


The leg room in Y on TG's AB6 is not bad. Even if it is a standard 32" pitch, it seems more.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd203/Trent1000ANet/DSCF1704.jpg

Meal service included lunch. There were two choices of hot meal. This was red curried fish and it was excellent! The fish tasted great, the curry was tasty with kaffir lime leaf. The chocolate dessert was also great.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd203/Trent1000ANet/DSCF1707.jpg

The famous Singha beer. Note that the can was served unopened and with no paper napkin or nuts/pretzels (nor was the second can). Nuts available on request.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd203/Trent1000ANet/DSCF1711.jpg

This pic is meant to show the general cabin with old interior design.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd203/Trent1000ANet/DSCF1706.jpg

The old pattern around the windows also features on the walls of the bulkheads, toilets and galley.
The rear galley of the AB6.


Despite dozens of trips on this sector on TG's AB6, this was my first time to travel with this particular configuration Version 36R1, which has J seats forward and extending from the forward galley (46J/201Y). Seat Guru shows 48 J seats. According to the TG website, there are 10 AB6 with this configuration. The other versions have 28J and either 233/Y (4 aircraft) or 232Y (5 aircraft).
It was also my first time on TG649 to arrive at a gate at BKK (Suvarnabhumi) instead of remote park & bus to terminal.

A300-600 sector #2 August 7th, 2007.
TG411 BKK/SIN Seat 41J Loading 33%
Scheduled dep: 12:55 Scheduled arr: 16:10 Flight time: 2 hrs 15 min
Actual departure and arrival near scheduled.
This flight was on HS-TAM


Meal service included lunch.
There were two choices of hot meal; chicken or fish. The smoked duck salad was excellent, but was eclipsed by the green curry chicken which tasted very authentic. It was moist, spicy and very flavoursome. The dessert was awful. It was a dry vanilla custard cake with a sweet dried plum/date.
This flight was only about 1/3 full (enabling a second serving of curry if desired).

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd203/Trent1000ANet/DSCF1714.jpg


A300-600 sector #3 September 12th, 2007.
TG648 BKK/FUK Seat 37G Loading 33%
Scheduled dep: 0:50 Scheduled arr: 8:00 Flight time: 5 hrs 10 min
Actual departure and arrival near scheduled. The fastest flight I've experienced on this sector was 4 hours.
This flight was on HS-TAY
Meal service included snack and breakfast.
Snack was a few small wrapped sandwiches and drink served immediately after takeoff.
Hot wet cloth towel given before full breakfast. Breakfast choices were Asian or western.
Western choice included omelette, sausage, tomato, hashed potato, fresh sliced fruit, yoghurt. Butter and jam with choice of (cold) croissant, wholemeal or white bread roll.
Food quality is fine, but you have to ask for a small pack of ketchup if you want to add some flavour to the hot meal items.
No pics for this sector,as the red eye flight sapped my motivation for taking any.

On these three sectors, I received friendly, prompt service from the TG crew. Well done (as usual).
The AB6 is a reliable and relatively quiet plane and comfortable for short/medium haul travel.

However, I think overall, there are three main drawbacks to TG's AB6 aircraft:
Y toilets are located only at the rear. There are only 5 of them for 201 passengers on version 36R1 and 5 for 233 passengers on version 36R2, meaning queues at the rear of the aircraft, especially after meals. If you are seated in Y at/near the forward bulkhead on version 36R1, it is 24 rows to the toilets or on version 36R2, 28 rows.

Another drawback is the old overhead luggage bins. Generally speaking, this is not a problem when passengers have limited carry on baggage. However TG649 is full during peak seasons with Japanese and their bags of shopping and souvenirs. The older style bins are certainly not as spacious and well designed as on the 777.

Finally, the J seats are not on a par with any industry standard J seat provided these days. The J seat pitch is only 38" with 18" width and limited recline.

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Ironically, in Y, it is possible to lie flat across the four centre seats and rest better than in J.
From my extensive experience travelling on this sector, J loads are consistently high. I would be averse to spend the JPY303865 / US$2630 for J class on this AB6. For just a few hundred dollars more, you could travel from KIX/BKK direct on SQ in J on 777-200/200ER. However, FUK/SIN/BKK in J is much more expensive given the extra sector SIN/BKK.

Can someone provide an update as to when TG will retire the last of their AB6s?

So fellow ANetters, from your experience, do you give TG's AB6s the "thumbs up" or "thumbs down"?

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User currently offlineFranxSIN From Singapore, joined Jun 2007, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 11785 times:

Hi there,

I posted a report in June for travel on TG 648/649. Would definitely agree that the AB6 is a reliable aircraft despite its age. The only drawback would be the toilets, which were only located in the aft of the aircraft for Y class passengers. In addition would be the limited entertainment; only some TG aircraft has PTV in Y.

When booking flights with TG from SIN via BKK, I would try to avoid some of the TG flights that are still operated by AB6 on the SIN-BKK vv sectors unless other flights, operated normally by B777/A333, are full or the connection time in BKK is too long.

I look forward to the future when TG can operate newer aircraft, which will really complement its excellent inflight service.

Cheers.


User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 11546 times:

The first meal shot seems to show a tray that many other airlines would serve
in C/J-class. TG usually have better and more plenty food than other airlines.


User currently offlineAg92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 11163 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 2):
The first meal shot seems to show a tray that many other airlines would serve
in C/J-class. TG usually have better and more plenty food than other airlines.

I think in Asian Airlines that is standard

Good TR

Regards
Ag92


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27248 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10994 times:

Nice TR and pics. I actually like the patterns on the walls and the J class seats. They will be gone soon enough. Its kind of history dissapearing!! Id love to go on that AC in J . The food looks ok also. What was the other choice of meal if you dont like fish??

Thanks for sharing

OA260


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10950 times:

Great report. I personally hate the TG AB6 with passion, especially in C.

I think you might have mixed up the wingshots and registrations.

HS-TAT
HS-TAW
HS-TAX
HS-TAY
HS-TAZ

have new interiors, not those ugly walls, and same seats as newer 747-400s with grey traytables. SIN-BKK mealshot shows grey traytable. Just flew on TAM and it definitely has that ugly old interior with flowers on the wall and brown traytables.

Also, only AB6 in new colors have new seatcovers, HS-TAY wingshot clearly shows old scheme.



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User currently offlineThaiA345 From Indonesia, joined Oct 2006, 888 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 10863 times:

Quoting Trent1000 (Thread starter):
It was also my first time on TG649 to arrive at a gate at BKK (Suvarnabhumi) instead of remote park & bus to terminal.

Great TR  Smile Actually 5 out of 10 times I transit thru BKK, its always a remote gate, mainly for regional flights, but on my last trip 2 weeks ago on a B744 from FRA, it was a remote gate !

Quoting Trent1000 (Thread starter):
Finally, the J seats are not on a par with any industry standard J seat provided these days. The J seat pitch is only 38" with 18" width and limited recline.

Thats why I always avoid TG's AB6, I am going to FUK in Nov, but opted to fly SQ frm BKK via NRT and then ANA to FUK. What can I expect from ANA in J domestic?

Quoting FranxSIN (Reply 1):
I look forward to the future when TG can operate newer aircraft, which will really complement its excellent inflight service.

They do have newer a/c now, A345/6, B772Er and their B744 and B772/3 have also since been upgraded. But sadly a lot of their regional routes is done by the AB6, which I generally avoid as a rule of thumb.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 5):
Great report. I personally hate the TG AB6 with passion, especially in C.

Kudos to that ! You also know that I really passionately hate TG's AB6 !! How long more will they keep all of them?


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10551 times:

Quoting Trent1000 (Thread starter):
The old pattern around the windows also features on the walls of the bulkheads, toilets and galley.
The rear galley of the AB6.

It is like a step back in time. When I was a kid, I flew TG A300s a lot! It seems like little has changed with the interior. Fortunate or unfortunate (depending onhow you want to look at it), my last flight in the TG A300 was in 1996 SIN-HKT-BKK. I have carefully avoided anymore flights on this plane ever since with the introduction of internet booking.

Quoting Trent1000 (Thread starter):
There were two choices of hot meal; chicken or fish. The smoked duck salad was excellent, but was eclipsed by the green curry chicken which tasted very authentic. It was moist, spicy and very flavoursome. The dessert was awful. It was a dry vanilla custard cake with a sweet dried plum/date.

One thing you can depend on TG for, is their excellent catering. Even for regional flights, their meals are always DEEE-LICIOUS!!! I know for sure that the funky vanilla custard cake was a one-off. Green curry (Gaeng kaew wan) is one of my fav food. I am so hungry now...



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User currently offlineSIN7 From Singapore, joined Jun 2007, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10369 times:

Very nice TR pics Trent 1000!

Quoting Trent1000 (Thread starter):
This was red curried fish and it was excellent! The fish tasted great, the curry was tasty with kaffir lime leaf. The chocolate dessert was also great.

Japanese caterers are really neat. Just look at the oven paper used for the fish curry so that the curry sauce don't get mix with the rice making it soggy. Catering ex-Japan seems to be always good. Nice presentation too.

Quoting Trent1000 (Thread starter):
This pic is meant to show the general cabin with old interior design.

In this pic, it seems to shows TG's congnac service in EY. This happens about the same time with FA starts clearing the trays. Nice 'old school' dinning service.

Quoting Trent1000 (Thread starter):
Meal service included lunch.
There were two choices of hot meal; chicken or fish. The smoked duck salad was excellent, but was eclipsed by the green curry chicken which tasted very authentic. It was moist, spicy and very flavoursome.

Here we see TG inconsistances. The earlier pic shows porcelian casserole. This pic, meal is in silver foil. There are times it is in white foil. Anyways, those yummy Thai meals sure make up for these. Agree, catering ex-BKK is almost always good for its Thai dishes. I once had a sticky rice dessert on a TG flight BKK-MUC which was heavenly. Usually, sticky rice kept cold will turn hard, but I don't know how TG Catering does it. It was still nice and soft.

I had a lousy luck on a TG A300 last year too for both sector SIN-BKK-SIN (the BKK-SIN secor was scheduled a B777, but was changed!!). Anyways, for the SIN-BKK sector I was seated the very front bulkhead center seat! No window no view, no nothing! It was 100% full load. I was irritated as hell. The return BKK-SIN sector was as horrible and miserable. I was seated at center row again!! Thank goodness both sectors were just under 2 hrs each way. Besides old a/c, lousy seats, I also broke up with my gf on the trip. Not a very memorable TG flight.


User currently offlineTrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10165 times:

Thanks everyone for your positive feedback.

Quoting SIN7 (Reply 8):
Besides old a/c, lousy seats, I also broke up with my gf on the trip. Not a very memorable TG flight.

This sounds like a very memorable flight!

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 5):
have new interiors, not those ugly walls, and same seats as newer 747-400s with grey traytables. SIN-BKK mealshot shows grey traytable. Just flew on TAM and it definitely has that ugly old interior with flowers on the wall and brown traytables.

The wingshot (BKK/SIN) on HS-TAM clearly shows the new purple livery. Here's another interior shot on that flight showing the more modern interior without floral motifs on the walls and also with the small video screens and newer fabric seat covers.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd203/Trent1000ANet/DSCF1716.jpg

[Edited 2007-09-25 11:25:35]

User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10145 times:

Quoting Trent1000 (Reply 9):
The wingshot (BKK/SIN) on HS-TAM clearly shows the new purple livery.

Yes, and that's why it has the new seat covers.

Quoting Trent1000 (Reply 9):
Here's another interior shot on that flight showing the more modern interior without floral motifs on the walls and also with the small video screens and newer fabric seat covers.

That is TAY's interior and those are the medium-old seat covers found on

HS-TAT
HS-TAW
HS-TAX
HS-TAY
HS-TAZ

TAM with new covers (also found on 7443/777/772/330 new colors):

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q61/lufthansa747/1.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q61/lufthansa747/2.jpg

HS-TAA-TAS in old colours have these seat covers (HS-TAC)
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q61/lufthansa747/HPIM0756.jpg

[Edited 2007-09-25 12:16:50]


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User currently offlineChristao17 From Thailand, joined Apr 2005, 942 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9994 times:

I'll agree with Ryan that the TG AB6 is kind of a neat nostalgia trip. Reminds me of the UA 727s I used to fly on in my childhood. And nearly as old! Well, not quite...

Nice report. The TG service and food are usually the highlights, even if the aircraft are often out of date. The regional J class is kind of sad, though. As you described it I realized that the seats are essentially the same as the EVA "Super Economy" that I'll be flying to the US this Friday. 38" pitch, 18" width.



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User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3188 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9974 times:

Thanks for the trip report.

Planning a quick side trip to BKK from SIN in October the main reason is to travel on the TG A300.

Seems like its got mixed reviews. I am not expecting new aircraft. Older the better.



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8578 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9851 times:
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Nice report and photo's, good to see A300 TR's, love that bird, just not had many flights on them  Smile

Rgds

Mark



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17126 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9428 times:

Really good and interesting TR.

The pics are also good.

Thank you for sharing.

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