BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 30 Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5851 times:
Joining instructions had asked us to be at Heathrow Academy by 08:00 -- 08:45 for registration and made it clear that anyone who is late would not be allowed to participate in the trials -- a sure way to ensure everyone turns up on time. Living on the South Coast meant that I would have to catch the 05:23 train but fortunately I managed to get a lift from a friend who works at Heathrow but this still meant leaving Brighton at 05:45. Only an airline geek would get up this early simply to take part in a trial but at least I would be one of the first members of the public to see Terminal 5, so perhaps it would be worth it?
After an uneventful journey we arrived at Hatton Cross at 07:00. The free shuttle bus did not start until 07:45, so there was time for a quick ride on the tube to Heathrow for a coffee at Starbucks and a quick nosey round the terminal. Building works were very much in evidence at Terminal 3 and I was told they use a different entrance door to departures every day.
Feeling refreshed by the coffee I returned to Hatton Cross to catch the free shuttle. I could not find it anywhere and no staff member seemed to know where it was running from, so I took a cab to Heathrow Academy and arrived just after 08:00. Despite signs directing participants to registration, the doors were locked and I joined a small group of people who had also volunteered for the trial. 08:15 came and went and still the doors were locked. Finally at about 08:20 they let us in and I proceeded to registration after which coffee/tea was served. After passing through security (including police dogs that were trained to sniff for explosive) we were asked to attend a briefing that was scheduled to start at 09:00 but was delayed by 15 minutes as some people had not turned up.
The presentation was preceded by the usual health and safety briefing and what we were to do in the event of a fire alarm. There seems to be an obsession in Britain about health and safety these days. We were told that photography was strictly forbidden and, as building work was still ongoing, to stay in designated areas with the group at all times. This was followed by a brief video presentation which gave some facts about Terminal 5, boasting that it was the most successful airport development and would set new benchmarks for the world's airports to follow. It seemed that BAA management were under the impression that once Terminal 5 opens, Heathrow's problems would be solved. I remain sceptical. Questions were invited but none were forthcoming, so they then told us when we arrived at Terminal 5 we would be split into groups and given a profile. "Just act as you normally would if you were travelling through the airport" said a team co-ordinator. "Does that mean act stupid?" replied someone in the audience, which was perhaps an ice breaker.
There were about 150 volunteers and we were then directed to two Menzies Aviation buses for the short ride to Terminal 5, passing along the Bath Road and watching activity on the runway before joining the custom built spur road to T5 departures level.
Departures at T5 are on the third level, roughly six stories high, and the approach roads did seem rather small if they are expecting 5,000 passengers an hour. Although it was not particularly windy, there were strong winds on Level 5 but perhaps once all the shelters are in place this would cut down the breeze, otherwise there might be some problems.
They had said the scale of T5 was monumental, as big as 50 football pitches, but this was a bit of an anti-climax. It is certainly impressive but no more so than many other international airports. There seemed plenty of check in desks and even more self check-in points -- they are hoping that 60% of passengers will self check-in. Each check in desk had a row of about 40 suitcases before them. All had luggage labels and I noticed that they displayed a time-count result, perhaps how long it took the bags to be processed through the state-of-art luggage sorter. Just where BAA obtained all the bags is a mystery, but perhaps this is where passengers' unclaimed bags are kept!
My group was selected to go through the security process. There are 14 channels at the "South Security" point and another 4 at the "North Security" point, both located just behind the check-in area with plenty of space for retail units. "Looks a bit like Thurrock" someone commented and I think this was accurate. Finger scanning will soon be in place, so that all passengers are not only photographed when entering departures but also have their finger prints scanned and both are checked at the boarding gates, but was not operational today.
We were told to go through the security channels, first depositing items to go through the scanner on one tray, then two trays, and finally three trays. "Just put something in the trays" were the instructions. With about 100 volunteers, it took an average 20 minutes to be processed, whilst many BAA staff were timing us and writing comments on their clipboards, joined by construction workers who watched the proceedings. One security channel insisted that we took off our shoes, but not the other. Standing in socks the marble floors felt cold, and I wrote this on my comments. Some participants' hand luggage was subject to a full search, some were frisked, but others just walked through. We were asked to repeat the process several times and this took about 2 hours.
We were asked to complete feedback forms that were collected by the team monitors. Once you handed in your completed form you were given a small bottle of water and either a KitKat or cereal bar, and then the T5 goodie bag. Although I was not expecting much, the contents of the purple bags were disappointing -- an universal travel adaptor, luggage label, plastic wallet, and cheap ball pen all emblazed with "T5 The Shape of Things to Come".
After the break we were taken on a tour of the building, split into groups of ten. We were shown the check-in area that was designed to handle 5,000 passengers an hour and then into departures hall. You enter from a balcony at Level 3 and it looks impressive but there is still much work to be done, mainly fitting out but some retail units were already nearing completion, most noticeably the large Harrods mini-store. "Harrods was chosen as it is quintessentially British" remarked our team co-ordinator. Yet it looked more like Pharaoh's Tomb I thought. "There will be 158 retail units in total" we were informed. Labels on the boards indicated who the tenants were and I noticed that they had gone mainly to niche labels like Prada, D&G, Swarovski etc rather than the normal WH Smith, Boots, Next etc. The airline lounges were on the upper levels but were not ready and we were not allowed access. In one corner seemed a luxurious retail unit complete with chandeliers and we were told this would be the Gordon Ramsay Restaurant, which makes a refreshing change from MacDonalds, BurgerKing etc. There were excellent views of the runway activity, something that would appeal to aviation geeks but no doubt the retail therapy will be more attractive for the majority of passengers.
The T5 satellite could be seen in the distance. We were not allowed to go over there but were shown where the automated Track Transit System that transports passengers between the buildings will be -- a very long escalator link to reach the lower level. We were told that 5 gates allow boarding on two levels, presumably in preparation for the A380.
Arrivals are on the second level and there is plenty of space for passport control. Baggage reclaim is on ground level and the carousels (11 IIRC) are large enough for the jumbo and whale jets. Transport to other Terminals is by bus with the doors airside. On leaving there is an enclosed open area between the terminal and car park where they have planted full trees with plenty of seating.
After the tour, we were given a packed lunch and there was time to ask the team co-ordinators any questions. I seemed to be the only person who did (others were more interested in their lunch), such as if the move from T4 would be in stages or all at once (all at once over the night of 26 March although most equipment would be in place before then was the answer), if the satelitte would open on the same day (yes), was there room to expand T5 (limited), and how many gates could accommodate double-decking for the A380 (5 at present, more if needed), could you participate in further trials (welcome to, just register on the BAA website).
It seems to me that BAA are trying hard to make T5 a success and the bright, open spaces are a nice contrast to the older terminals at LHR. Hopefully with another six months to complete the trials (the opening date is 27 March 2008), any teething problems should be sorted out before T5 becomes fully operational. It should improve the LHR experience, but only if you are flying with BA but even so T5 is not big enough to cater for all their flights.
Sorry for the lack of photographs -- a photograph can say 1,000 words. As I said, photography was strictly forbidden and even some people were stopped when taking photos with their mobiles.
Hope you enjoyed reading the report.
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OA260 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5791 times:
Hey there , very nice written and eagerly awaited report. Even though no photos were on it I have a good idea after your report. Cant wait to see T5 come 27th March. It does look like they are trying hard to get it right and hopefully it will be everything they hope it will be.
Its nice to have all these top niche shops but I hope they dont do away with traditional stores like Boots/WH Smith etc... there is a balance that is needed!!! Also Gordon Ramsey restaurant would do nothing for me I'm afraid. Id prefer a varied selection from TGI Fridays down to the Obriens sandwich bars and burger joints also. Glad to hear they have a Harrods even with the tomb theme lol...
Just one question : Where all the BA logos on the check in machines and check in areas etc...???
BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 30 Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5720 times:
Quoting OA260 (Reply 1): Where all the BA logos on the check in machines and check in areas etc...???
Everywhere, even on sheets of paper that were used to cover up windows where building/finishing touches were ongoing. Each check in desk has very neat Siemens flat screen monitors.
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Krje1980 From Norway, joined Feb 2006, 175 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5558 times:
Yet the sad fact is that LHR is still stuck with only two runways. Although T5 might make transferring through the airport more pleasant, I doubt the number of delays will go down.
BMIFlyer From United Kingdom (England), joined Feb 2004, 8170 posts, RR: 71 Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5553 times:
Cool report, pity about the lack of pics, BAA sure suck in that department.
RP TPA From United States, joined Oct 1999, 615 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5271 times:
Quoting BCAL (Thread starter): Only an airline geek would get up this early simply to take part in a trial
Hmmmm.....last December I flew from Tampa to Toronto to take part in the YYZ T1 trial (I work for Air Canada). If you're a geek, what does that make me??
OA260 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5191 times:
Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 6): I went through LHR Terminal 2 in March 2006 and it honestly wasn't that bad! However, there is always room for improvement. I would love to go back!
True , I never found T2 that bad. Sometimes at 6am getting throught security can take a while and the check in areas down stairs are very full but its not the disaster people make it out to be .
Sky news just had a piece on T5 !!! Showed all areas incl. Harrods and check in desks and baggage hall etc... looks really nice . Very spacious and nice. Cant wait to see it with my own eyes !!!!
BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 30 Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4967 times:
Quoting RP TPA (Reply 5): last December I flew from Tampa to Toronto to take part in the YYZ T1 trial (I work for Air Canada)
It was probably relevant to your job if you work for Air Canada.
Quoting RP TPA (Reply 5): If you're a geek, what does that make me??
Daddy Geek?
Quoting RP TPA (Reply 8): Isn't T2 going to be torn down after all the construction/remodeling of the other terminals is completed?
When Heathrow East is completed by 2012, Terminal 2 and Queens' Building are due to be demolished which will result in room in the central area to further improve T1 and T3.
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Sketty222 From United Kingdom (England), joined Mar 2006, 1498 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4627 times:
Nice report. It has given me a good insight of what to expect next Tuesday when I take part in the trials.
Im flying down from NCL to take part and the only thing im worried about is the fact my flight doesnt arrive until 0815 (plus any delays that we have)
Semsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1769 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4476 times:
I was caught taking a picture at Heathrow and had to delete it. They are very strict. I was even in a quiet area alone and a security guy popped up out of the blue and asked what I was doing.
Thomsonfly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 217 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4377 times:
when i was doing my cabin crew training for virgin atlantic recently, we had an aircraft visit on a t5 stand, at it looked impresive then.... certainly compared to the other terminals anyway!
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 8615 posts, RR: 28 Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3865 times:
Quoting BCAL (Thread starter): As I said, photography was strictly forbidden and even some people were stopped when taking photos with their mobiles.
Quoting Semsem (Reply 11): I was caught taking a picture at Heathrow and had to delete it. They are very strict. I was even in a quiet area alone and a security guy popped up out of the blue and asked what I was doing.
Is this just while the terminal is under construction, or will this be the case when the terminal finally opens?
If so, stuff them - I'll fly via Schiphol!
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BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 30 Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3560 times:
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 13): Is this just while the terminal is under construction
My understanding is that it was just while the terminal is under construction. BAA obviously want their own officially commissioned photographs to show the public what Terminal 5 looks like without all the building work on-going.
I do not know how Sky News featured the photographs mentioned in a reply 7 above.
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Genius12 From United Kingdom (England), joined Aug 2007, 115 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3506 times:
Great report, I'd have loved to have done the trials, but am snowed under with study at the moment.
I'm hoping to fly out of T5 in Summer 2008. It really should be a good experience in comparison to the nightmare that is Terminal 3 (at the moment). T5 certainly looks very impressive from the outside, especially when you see it in real life. Somehow that's far more impressive than from photos.
APYu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 552 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2318 times:
Quoting BCAL (Thread starter): They had said the scale of T5 was monumental, as big as 50 football pitches, but this was a bit of an anti-climax. It is certainly impressive but no more so than many other international airports
I agree with this I was quite disappointed by the size as my first thoughts were is it big enough. The only wow - this is big thought I had was in the arrivals and baggage reclaim area
I attended the trial on Saturday and there were 500 of us all assigned different passenger profiles and we are asked to just treat it as if were were real passengers. 7 or 8 fake flights were happening and we were all spread between them
First of all I was Mrs Bakker travelling Club to AMS and I had checked in online but had a bag to drop. I managed to find my way to gate A13 where we got all the way to the entry of the airbridge.
Then I became Mr Love - arriving from Lyon but connecting to Nice (why didnt I just drive) but again I managed to find my way to gate A23 through the new Flight Connections centre quite efficiently
Then I became an America arriving from New York. I had travelled in World Travweller so I even pretended to be very grumpy and have difficulty walking due to the ridiculous BA seat pitch
The terminal very nice as its very new but I felt the walkways were quite narrow (when compared to the new BKK for example) as there are loads of shops in there and I also felt the seating areas may struggle to cope with the busy holiday rushes.
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