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Cape Air First Flight To SBN Was Great!  
User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6867 times:

Hello all...i just got back from my day trip to South Bend in which i flew on the first flight on Cape Air up there. I am not sure how the rest of the day went, but from what i saw, everything was running very smoothly. I checked in without any trouble and got to the gate--the wait at security was not long--all metal detectors were open. The one interesting thing was that my Cape Air boarding pass was just a printout that would be set up as a boarding pass but was simply on the smooth computer paper. The guy at security was asking what it was and i mentioned that it is from Cape Air; he went to the other security agent and she had told him that the boarding passes are like that and that there were three of us coming through the checkpoint. (Does Cape Air have their own "boarding passes?"

Once it was time to Board, (they had us waiting at gate C3 at IND but when we boarded we were led down the escalator at gate C2 and out the door on ground level. There were only two passengers on my flight and one pilot. I boarded and the pilot asked if i wanted to sit in the right front seat...he indicated that it was a passenger seat, but i guess it also is used for a second pilot. The controls were right in front of me and i had to watch where i put my feet because the rudder controls were right there  Smile It was the first time i was able to get a bird's eye view...i mean literally. The flight was a little bumpy upon take off but was smooth the rest of the way. I got great video of the takeoff, some in flight, and then video of landing at SBN.

Once i got off, there was a gate agent for Cape Air that handed out "goodie bags" that had some stuff with "South Bend Regional Airport" on it but also a digital clock with world time, etc. that had a small plq type thing at the bottome that was blue in color and engraved with "South Bend, Indianapolis, Evansville-November 13, 2007."

It was definitely worth it. I have to say that the employees at Cape Air were probably the most courteous, outgoing, and a good group of employees. I think some of the other airlines can take a couple of lessons from Cape Air  Big grin


The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
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User currently offlineCsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1444 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6845 times:

Wow, I am jealous. Maybe I can drive sometime down from the Chicago area to IND and get to fly in the right seat to EVV to visit the folks.


Posting from somewhere between KORD and KRFD
User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6834 times:

I guess if you get there early enough you can get it. I am flying on them again next month  Smile


The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6762 times:

I just finished transferring the video to my computer-there was some other stuff on there as well from ATL, IAD...I will pare it down to just the Cape Air stuff and post it to You Tube.  Smile


The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6754 times:

Cape Air is great. Excellent time on every flight I've had on them which is probably into the 50 flight segments and growing....love their operation.


Any views shared are strictly my own and do not a represent those of any former employer.
User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6740 times:



Quoting 7E72004 (Thread starter):
There were only two passengers on my flight and one pilot. I boarded and the pilot asked if i wanted to sit in the right front seat...he indicated that it was a passenger seat, but i guess it also is used for a second pilot.

I'm glad you enjoyed your flight.  smile  I believe that the FAA requires 2 pilots only if the aircraft seats more than 9 people. Just as a flight attendant is only required after 19 people, and 2 FAs after 50 people, etc... of course, airline's policy can supercede FAA's, but that's the stipulation last I saw.



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6735 times:

I hope that the service ends up doing well overall and they end up staying for a long time. Perhaps, at some point, they can "hook up" with another airline and offer connecting service. I have to wonder though with the price of round trips costing approx. $200, if it can be "economically positive." I hope that it is because it is worth it and was needed  Smile


The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 6669 times:



Quoting NASBWI (Reply 5):
airline's policy can supercede FAA's, but that's the stipulation last I saw.

Only if the airline's policy is greater than the FAA's. But I believe the FARs are that if the airplane is certified for single pilot OPs and that there is an operable A/P than single pilot OPs is legal as it is on the Part 135 side.


User currently offlineRampGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 6624 times:

WISHTV in Indianapolis did a story on this first day. They mentioned that there had been about 2000 tickets sold for November and December and the number for January were looking good too. So if this is successful, there might be a demand for a larger aircraft. What would happen to Cape Air if that does happen? Sounds like the one person who told me that a 9-passenger aircraft was just right and I thought it should be at least a 19-seater. Thet person might be eating their words.

Also what about the flight crew and aircraft rotation? Somehow the crew and aircraft will need to get back to Cape Cod for general Maint and the crew will need to get back to their home? There's no way thet Cape Air would have scheduled flight from Indiana to Cape Cod on those tiny little puddle jumpers.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5394 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 6547 times:



Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 7):
But I believe the FARs are that if the airplane is certified for single pilot OPs and that there is an operable A/P than single pilot OPs is legal as it is on the Part 135 side.

..of course, the insurance requirements are usually dictating this, above and beyond the FAA and operator's ops, but I guess they're OK in this case.

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 5):
I believe that the FAA requires 2 pilots only if the aircraft seats more than 9 people.

Yes, because that would mean it's no longer Part 135, but Part 121.

Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 6483 times:



Quoting RampGuy (Reply 8):
What would happen to Cape Air if that does happen?

My guess, add additional flights if needed. I believe they still have ATR42 for Continental Air Mic ops in Guam but really doubt those would be brought in.......on the Florida routes Cape Air would add an extra section when demand was high, also for baggage when weight and balance dictated.

Quoting RampGuy (Reply 8):
Somehow the crew and aircraft will need to get back to Cape Cod for general Maint and the crew will need to get back to their home?

Non-Rev often or maybe they have a crew base they are establishing in the midwest.



Any views shared are strictly my own and do not a represent those of any former employer.
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21422 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 6437 times:



Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 6):
Perhaps, at some point, they can "hook up" with another airline and offer connecting service.

Don't they already do this with B6?

Quoting RampGuy (Reply 8):
So if this is successful, there might be a demand for a larger aircraft. What would happen to Cape Air if that does happen? Sounds like the one person who told me that a 9-passenger aircraft was just right and I thought it should be at least a 19-seater. Thet person might be eating their words.

I wouldn't think so. Cape Air's bread and butter Northeast operation has a lot of demand as well, but they're still using the twin Cessnas on those routes, preferring frequency over capacity. If they have more demand than capacity in Indiana, they'll probably just add more 9-seaters.

-Mir



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 6417 times:

Yeah..they do that with B6, but i mean at IND. And i don't think B6 serves IND  Big grin


The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 6399 times:



Quoting 7E72004 (Thread starter):
The one interesting thing was that my Cape Air boarding pass was just a printout that would be set up as a boarding pass but was simply on the smooth computer paper. The guy at security was asking what it was

I had this same kind of event at BOS with Midwest kiosk tickets, which are thin waxy paper. I did a day trip to BOS and had printed out both the outbound and inbound to MKE legs at the MKE kiosk so I didn't need to waste time checking in at BOS. So I walk up to the TSA guy in BOS and show him the print out and he looked at it real hard and then asked where I got it in a freaked out voice tone. So I told him and reasured him that they were legit Midwest print outs. I didn't get through and had to go to the ticket counter to get a "real" ticket. I understand BOS being the starting point to 9/11 and they're probably very on edge but I don't get any questions asked at DCA which you would think as a higher security airport.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5394 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 6376 times:



Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 13):
So I walk up to the TSA guy in BOS and show him the print out and he looked at it real hard and then asked where I got it in a freaked out voice tone. So I told him and reasured him that they were legit Midwest print outs. I didn't get through and had to go to the ticket counter to get a "real" ticket.



Quoting 7E72004 (Thread starter):
was simply on the smooth computer paper. The guy at security was asking what it was and i mentioned that it is from Cape Air; he went to the other security agent and she had told him that the boarding passes are like that and that there were three of us coming through the checkpoint. (Does Cape Air have their own "boarding passes?"

How is this any different than the 20 different types of home-printed boarding passes, and different kiosk printed passes??

Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 6364 times:

I think it would be easier to "copy" this boarding pass as opposed to another airline's boarding pass. Most of the other boarding passes, even when printed out at home, have the airline insignia, or bar code, etc.  


Boarding pass from Cape Air for IND-SBN


[Edited 2007-11-14 08:23:32]


The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 14 hours ago) and read 6321 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 14):
How is this any different than the 20 different types of home-printed boarding passes, and different kiosk printed passes??

I have not a clue, but I was not about to argue with the guy because there was already another TSA agent that was walking up because he probably saw us talking about the pass.


User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 6286 times:



Quoting NASBWI (Reply 5):
I'm glad you enjoyed your flight. smile I believe that the FAA requires 2 pilots only if the aircraft seats more than 9 people. Just as a flight attendant is only required after 19 people, and 2 FAs after 50 people, etc... of course, airline's policy can supercede FAA's, but that's the stipulation last I saw.

§ 135.101 Second in command required under IFR.

Except as provided in §135.105, no person may operate an aircraft carrying passengers under IFR unless there is a second in command in the aircraft.

§ 135.105 Exception to second in command requirement: Approval for use of autopilot system.

(a) Except as provided in §§135.99 and 135.111, unless two pilots are required by this chapter for operations under VFR, a person may operate an aircraft without a second in command, if it is equipped with an operative approved autopilot system and the use of that system is authorized by appropriate operations specifications. No certificate holder may use any person, nor may any person serve, as a pilot in command under this section of an aircraft operated in a commuter operation, as defined in part 119 of this chapter unless that person has at least 100 hours pilot in command flight time in the make and model of aircraft to be flown and has met all other applicable requirements of this part.

The best in FAA legalese, enjoy!

Checko



"A pilot's plane she is. She will love you if you deserve it, and try to kill you if you don't...She is the Mighty Q400"
User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 6268 times:

http://www.youtube.com/v/-jVUlWHjvIk

here is a short video of the landing at SBN. .i have not added the full length video because my computer has to be adjusted or something...but for now...enjoy   Smile

[Edited 2007-11-14 09:53:06]


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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 6259 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga1sdYqcIXA

Here is a short video of the take-off from IND. The quality is better when viewing it on my computer so i am not sure if it is confined or not.



The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5394 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 6248 times:



Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 15):
I think it would be easier to "copy" this boarding pass as opposed to another airline's boarding pass. Most of the other boarding passes, even when printed out at home, have the airline insignia, or bar code, etc.

I'm so glad the TSA have a process in place to get familiar with new airline's paperwork prior to pax arriving at security. {end sarcasm}


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 6235 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 20):
I'm so glad the TSA have a process in place to get familiar with new airline's paperwork prior to pax arriving at security.

I'm not usually one to defend T.S.A., but at a lot of YX outstations, boarding passes will either be on stock (from the carrier that handles them) or off of the website. They wouldn't have any reason to know what a YX kisok boarding pass looks like.



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5394 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 6220 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 21):
They wouldn't have any reason to know what a YX kisok boarding pass looks like.

LOL ... you mean apart from the fact they have to make a security decision on whether it's a fake or not, and that's exactly why they check every one, twice (The TSA now, not contractors). Apart from that .... they wouldn't have any reason.


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 6209 times:



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 22):
Apart from that .... they wouldn't have any reason.

Do you know what an SV boarding pass looks like?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5394 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 12 hours ago) and read 6195 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 23):
Do you know what an SV boarding pass looks like?

Errrr yes .... do you know what the capital of Uruguay is?

Do I get a prize?

Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
25 Cubsrule : You've missed my point. Why train screeners on something they are never (or hardly ever) going to see? It's inefficient.
26 Bond007 : I don't think I did ... perhaps you misunderstand the role of the TSA. Their JOB is to check boarding passes and decide whether they are fake or not
27 Cubsrule : But you've misread the post. He didn't have one of the types of boarding passes used at that specific airport. He had a boarding pass he had printed
28 SkyexRamper : I agree with you, it's not hard for TSA to know what 12 or less boarding passes look like. Or maybe the industry's boarding passes need to be standar
29 Post contains images Bond007 : Yes he did. He used it at that specific airport. He might have printed it at MKE, but he could legally present it at BOS .... because again, it's the
30 Cubsrule : So you're suggesting that screeners increase their knowledge of boarding passes at least five-fold... Why?
31 Bond007 : Sorry .. if it's not obvious to you now, it never will be, so let's forget it! Moving on ....... Jimbo
32 EXAAUADL : I hope they can get more than 2 pax per flight
33 Cubsrule : It's obvious to you, and I'm curious what you're thinking. Let's take an analogy... most law enforcement officers cannot recognize D.L.s from all 50
34 Bond007 : OK ...first, AFAIK, all officers, specifically those involved in checking IDs where it is a issue of national security (i.e. not just traffic cops),
35 Post contains images ATAIndy : Wow, back to the discussion about Cape Air... I doubt it, Cape Air probably wants to stick with the one pilot plan already in place to cut costs. Mayb
36 Post contains images 7E72004 : I am not surprised to see that only 2 people were on my flight yesterday...the other guy was someone who had flown up from Evansville on the same plan
37 7E72004 : I think the future looks promising...with that many tickets sold already...and at least one more (i just bought another one *lol*), i would not be sur
38 JetBlueGuy2006 : 2,000 tickets for a smalll airline with small planes is a good thing. I would think that they would try to set something up with FL more than NW sinc
39 7E72004 : The videos are posted to You Tube...i had to cut it up into 8 parts because of the size limit each video could be as well as the fact that i would hav
40 Cubsrule : Are you seriously suggesting that LEOs remember that training individually for licenses from all 50 states? But we don't expect that. Based on pay, I
41 Redngold : Now the videos "have been removed by the user" according to YouTube.
42 Post contains images 7E72004 : THey are up there. I just watched them
43 B747forever : Wow, what a great opportunity you got. Wish that I also could get this opportunity. The videos doesn't work. Thank you for sharing. B747forever.
44 COERJ : Who handles the ground operations for Cape Air at these airports?
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