Japan is a spotters' and plane enthusiasts' paradise - something which I had often heard and which I can confirm now without any doubts after touring some of the country's airports and airlines. In my series of six trip reports I will go into detail and share my experiences. Here's the first part, covering the MUC-HEL-NGO flights as well as Nagoya Centrair Airport. First of all, I will talk a bit about the trip planning before getting clear for takeoff. All those who aren't interested in the challenges of trip planning are free to scroll down immediately to the beginning of the flight report!
Background & Long-haul Flight Search
Spotting in Japan had been on my agenda for a long time and in summer ago a friend (user Satchmo) and I finally decided to go for a total of eight days. Flights aren't cheap in general and we searched for reasonably priced options from MUC. We found Alitalia (E145, 772), Qatar Airways (A332) and Virgin Atlantic (A346, LH/BA A32X). Considering their constant strikes, we soon dropped AZ. We also dropped QR because connecting time in Doha would have been just about an hour - and missing the flight to KIX would have screwed up our dense schedule of domestic traveling in Japan. I also didn't like the prospect of getting A332s on all four sectors.
So we almost booked VS but then suddenly found a cheaper option on Finnair's website - and two different routings which would include four different types. There wasn't any time left to lose, so we booked MUC-HEL-NGO (E170, A343) and KIX-HEL-MUC (MD11 and A319) for late October/early November. Since we booked the flights via a travel agent we successfully requested seats in the MD-11's forward 3-4-2 section (rear section is 3-4-3). Interestingly, it wasn't possible to secure one of the seat pairs on the right side.
I had hoped to get one of the two new A340-300Es to NGO, but some weeks later I found out on the forum that OH-LQA - the ex-Virgin bird - would always operate the flight on Saturdays, while flying to Mumbai on weekdays.
Domestic Travel Plan - Searching for the Big Birds
The next step was working out a domestic travel plan which would include the most important airports and some interesting flights. We checked the ANA and JAL websites and found out that reservations could be made only two months in advance. Additionally, even less than two months in advance you can't just click and choose JAL flights in their website - you need to call them or go to an agency (in contrast to ANA or Skymark). However, thanks to Finnair's and JAL's membership in the oneworld alliance, we could order the JAL Yokoso Airpass and were able to reserve flights earlier (via our agent).
Main targets were the high density 744D and 773 and it took a while to find the right flights - one problem was that JAL often designates the types simply as 777. In the end we chose to fly Nagoya-Okinawa (JAL 744), Okinawa-Fukuoka (JTA 734 - only narrow-bodies available on that route, but at least a new carrier), Fukuoka-Tokyo/Haneda (JAL 772) as well as Tokyo/Haneda-Osaka/Itami (ANA 773). We had to wait for the two-months-deadline before being able to reserve the remaining ANA sector, but there were plenty of low fare seats available on the 773 service (ANA always designates 772 and 773). We had also tried to include Sapporo, but it turned out difficult in terms of route/type planning. Instead we chose Okinawa/Naha where it would be a lot warmer anyway...
Hotels & One more Time-saving Roundtrip...
Finding reasonably priced hotels at or close to airports wasn't a big deal, Asiarooms.com and Toyoko-Inn had attractive offers (double rooms ranging from 50 to 106 Euro, all including breakfast and shuttle). Oddly enough, about ten days prior to the trip I somehow felt the desire to add some more flights during our relatively long 2,5-days Tokyo visit and I had a look at Skymark Airlines' website - why not try out a Japanese LCC? I didn't want to lose too much valuable spotting time at Haneda and I checked numerous options to find a time-saving solution. Well, in the end I booked an early-morning Haneda-Kobe flight on ANA (763 non-ER) and the return sector on Skymark (763ER).
Ground time at Kobe (UKB) was scheduled to be one hour and five minutes - not a comfortable margin if something goes wrong, but no risk, no fun. On a positive side, I would be back at Haneda at 10:05 - still some 6,5 hours left for spotting on that day. ANA was slightly more expensive than Skymark, but only ANA had the early morning departure from HND and it was a 767-300 non-ER which I also wanted to get. Skymark didn't offer an early morning flight from Haneda - and I dropped the idea of doing that trip in the afternoon because ANA only had an A320 and Skymark had 738 services later. Euro-style narrow-bodies in Japan? No thanks...
Saturday, 27 October 2007
Munich (MUC) - Helsinki (HEL)
Flying time: 02:10 (hrs)
We checked-in online on the evening prior to departure and tried to secure a row in the section where the cabin doesn't narrow yet on the A340, but most seats were occupied. So we kept row 52 and picked row 17 on the Embraer.
We arrived at the airport about one hour prior to departure and had to wait for at least 20-25 minutes in a long queue. As expected there was no counter for those checked-in online. We passed security some 40 minutes prior to departure but boarding was already started 10 minutes later. As so often at MUC, a bus was waiting where we had to spend another 10 minutes at really low temperatures. Finally we arrived at the aircraft - OH-LEO, the newest of Finnair's E170s, delivered in 11/2006.
Friendly F/As welcomed us on board and we walked down to row 17. Database cabin shot:
Finnair doesn't offer a jetBlue-style pitch or PTVs, but the cabin is still comfortable. Modern seat design...
Picture by Satchmo
...and sufficient pitch:
With its spacious interior, the E-Jet is simply a class of its own in the regional jet category. However, I noticed a constant cool airflow on the window seat. It wasn't possible to turn it off manually and it turned out to be quite annoying after a while, so I changed to the aisle seat later, thanks to the light load. It didn't notice that on my jetBlue E190 flights earlier this year.
Boarding was completed quickly (load around 60%) and the plane started moving some minutes early. OH-LEO taxied to runway 26L, turned in almost immediately...
...and started a rather powerful takeoff roll.
United 777 on its way to Terminal 2:
We had left behind the bad weather and the clouds after a few minutes. However, the plane suddenly stopped climbing and flew a wide circle just above the clouds. There hadn't been any announcement from the cockpit and we started to wonder because we had never seen this before after taking off from MUC.
Just when we started thinking about a possible cause the plane resumed climbing. Some time later, the captain gave details on the route to Helsinki.
After climbing to cruise altitude the crew started serving breakfast boxes and offered one round of drinks. Finnair's Embraer jets aren't equipped with ovens, so only cold meals or snacks are served on these flights - I have no idea whether a hot breakfast is usually offered on morning Airbus flights. The breakfast comprised of orange juice, a cherry yogurt, a ham and cheese roll and a coconut biscuit. I ordered a coffee, too, but F/As didn't pass again so that I could ask for extra sugar.
The breakfast wasn't bad, but the "main course", a dry soft ham and cheese roll, wasn't a culinary delight. Anyway, Finnair serves a lot more than other carriers on European sectors. The remaining flight was uneventful and I enjoyed the scenery.
Time had passed quickly and we started our descent...
...diving into dense fog. Actually it wasn't possible to identify anything outside but the fog - until a few moments from touchdown.
We touched the ground at 11:12, slowed down...
...and taxied to our remote parking position near the maintenance area. We could recognize an A340 tail in the hangar and wondered whether it would be our bird.
Again we could â€œenjoyâ€ the cool weather, this time in Helsinki, and were bussed to the terminal which was still rather empty. We settled down in the terminal's 90 degrees corner between gates 24 and 26 for the next few hours, but spotting wasn't a pleasure due to the low visibility. At least most aircraft passed closely on the taxiway. Estonian Airlines Saab 340 parked between AY A32X:
In the afternoon we searched for a nice place to eat but it was soon clear the number of food places is rather limited. We finally chose a self-service cafeteria with a "non-self-service" price level.
Saturday, 27 October 2007
Helsinki (HEL) - Nagoya (NGO)
Flying time: 09:21 (hrs)
OH-LQA (MSN 058), first delivered to Virgin Atlantic 10/1994 as G-VFLY
Economy Seat 52B
Delay: Technical Reasons
Our scheduled departure time was 17:15 but at around 15:00 we suddenly discovered a new departure time of 18:30 on the screens. It had already become quite boring at this point of time so the delay really was a disappointment. Some time later there was an announcement about flight AY079 being delayed due to "technical reasons" Meanwhile OH-LQB and OH-LQC had arrived, so I draw the conclusion that it had been our A340 (OH-LQA) parked in the hangar this morning, most likely already under maintenance. I really hoped the additional time required for getting the aircraft ready was exactly calculated and not just roughly estimated...
At around 17:00 we moved to the long-haul gates and heard another announcement that all passengers booked on flight AY079 should proceed to a certain counter in order to pick up coupons as a compensation for the delay. Satchmo was skeptic about that move: He had experienced a similar situation earlier this year with Emirates, when the delay increased from initially just one hour to more than five. Anyway, we took the coupons worth 8 Euro and bought some more (rather overpriced) food at the adjacent cafeteria. Meanwhile the area was very crowded with passengers, mostly Japanese and Chinese.
Extended Technical Inspection
We had feared an even worse delay, so the boarding announcement at around 18:00 was highly appreciated. There was a long queue at gate 33, moving slowly, and we decided to remain seated for a while. Then we had to walk down a remarkably long jetbridge and finally entered OH-LQA which was already filled well. Load factor was around 95-100% in Economy, with passengers mostly from Japan. F/As were mostly friendly and offered water bottles at the door. After all passengers had been seated, the captain apologized for the delay and referred to an "extended technical inspection" finished just an hour ago.
The plane's cabin hasn't been refurbished yet (planned for November) since its transfer from Virgin Atlantic and therefore everything looks quite worn, no matter if overhead bins, tables or IFE controls. The blue seat covers are new, but that's it. Cabin view (pic taken later in the flight):
Picture by Satchmo
However, the seats aren't bad at all and seat pitch is sufficient. No IFE boxes required for the plane's early generation IFE system.
We finally left the gate at 18:48, more than 1,5 hours late. Within a few minutes OH-LQA turned onto runway 22R and the four tiny CFMs worked hard to accelerate the fully loaded bird. After the typically long A343 takeoff roll we lifted off for our 09:21 hours flight to Nagoya Centrair.
As mentioned before, the ex-Virgin bird is equipped with an early generation individual IFE system, including tiny PTV screens compared to today's standard (picture taken later in the flight):
What's even more annoying than the tiny screens is the fact that most handsets are not detachable from the seat. Due to the handsets' sideways location in the armrest it was quite difficult to switch channels or to press any other button. Playing games would have been impossible because of this, but those weren't available anyway. Here's the range of features:
9 movies (repeated after approximately 2,5 hours)
5 TV channels (e.g. news and kids' channel)
9 music channels
The new A340-300Es are equipped with an advanced AVOD system which offers many more features and much more choice. Allegedly OH-LQA is scheduled to receive a cabin update, but the question is whether it will also get the new AVOD system. Anyway, I didn't mind about the old IFE system since I had planned to sleep for a few hours. When awake I watched the airshow channel most of the time.
Heading to the Ural Mountains at 30,000 feet (later waypoints on the route were Novosibirsk and Ulan Bator)....
The lack of menu cards is not unusual in these days, but the lack of a meal choice is unusual on long-hauls flights. About one hour after takeoff F/As started to serve dinner - prior to that we had been informed that chicken curry would be the available main meal. I was still somehow optimistic but what we got was one of the worst airline meals I have ever experienced on a long-haul flight.
The few (and tiny) pieces of chicken and the sauce were ok, so was the salad. But the rice was tasteless and mushy, the vegetables were squashy. The green noodles were tasteless as well and the noodle sauces didn't make it any better. The bread roll was quite hard, only some butter made it somehow eatable. Not even the dessert could compensate for the disappointment - it was just a tiny piece of Sacher chocolate cake, packed in plastic. The choice of soft drinks was basic, too. No ginger ale, bitter lemon or tonic available...
At least the crew was friendly, especially one Japanese flight attendant mostly serving on our side.
After dinner I browsed through the entertainment guide and I was almost shocked when discovering the last page:
Unbelievable but true: Finnair charges for snacks on long-haul flights (most items cost 2 Euro). Is this a new round of ridiculous cost saving measures? It's not like passengers storm the galley between the meals on overnight flights. This is going too far...
Btw - beer and wine (and only those) are free - but just together with meals.
After sleeping for a few hours I checked the route map and found out we had just passed Beijing, now heading to South Korea, meanwhile at 39,000 feet:
First wing view at daylight:
Honestly I didn't expect really much after that dinner but the hot breakfast with pancakes, omelette and beans was fine. The portion was small, but that's it. The carrot & fruit drink and the muffin didn't taste bad either.
Not much time left until reaching the coast...
...with mountainous terrain following shortly afterwards:
Hot towels were offered and recollected and approach was started. Ise Bay ahead...
...Nagoya Chubu Centrair International on the left:
Some database pictures of Japan's second offshore airport:
We flew a wide left turn and finally approached from the south, passing large tankers:
Only seconds to go...
...and touchdown at 10:20 local time.
Just as we left the runway I spotted a Dreamlifter parked at the cargo apron, great start for our tour:
We had to wait for some more minutes because our gate was still blocked by an LH A343 - well, our flight was the late one...On disembarking Satchmo took a picture of the Business Class, still showing its Virgin Atlantic descent:
Picture by Satchmo
Cleaning staff already waiting:
Nagoya Centrair Spotting
It took us about an hour to pass through immigration, luggage claim and customs. Now we could follow the much longed for "observation deck" signs. We walked through a modern and convenient terminal building, passed countless nice shops and restaurants and finally entered the large observation deck. The (remarkably clean) facility stretches across the roof top of the center pier and offers excellent views of the runway and the apron on both sides. While fantastic for registration spotting, it can be a challenge for photo spotters, depending on the sun.
Picture by Satchmo
China Airlines 738 and China Southern A321:
Some 90 minutes after arrival, OH-LQA taxies out for the return flight to Helsinki...
Picture by Satchmo
...and takes off into a blue sky over Ise Bay:
A large variety of mostly Asian and Japanese carriers can be seen at Nagoya Centrair, though certain types don't show up (e.g. JAL A300-600, MD-87). I got a total of 80 new registrations at NGO, even though we already continued to Okinawa on the next morning. One of the aircraft which we would see again soon was JAL 747-400D JA8905 with Tamagotchi markings:
Flying Finnair between Helsinki and Nagoya was disappointing, mainly because of the insufficient catering (low food quality, small portions, limited choice of drinks, charge for snacks and alcoholic drinks between meals). Both the cabin interior and the IFE are totally outdated on this particular aircraft and should be updated to Finnair's A340-300E standard soon. Legroom was ok, F/As were mostly friendly, so no complaints here. The delay was not dramatic, it can happen on any flight. Giving out coupons was a nice move.
There's not much to comment on the European flight. Sufficient breakfast, comfortable E170 cabin (except for the airflow), but overhead screens would be a nice addition.
Flying on Finnair's MD-11 and A320 (equipment change) was a bit different, but it will take some time until the report will be online. Next report: NGO-OKA-FUK on JAL 744D and JTA 734.
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 32703 times:
Awesome report there, PlaneHunter, very well written! I really liked all the details! What a perfect entertainment it was to read your report (and look at the pictures) during the last half an hour or so - at least! I am really looking forward to the domestic parts, and to the return part of you guys trip!
Mal787 From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 32483 times:
Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter): Conclusion
Flying Finnair between Helsinki and Nagoya was disappointing, mainly because of the insufficient catering (low food quality, small portions, limited choice of drinks, charge for snacks and alcoholic drinks between meals)
I have to agree with you on this point . I flew them Hong Kong > Helsinki > London last month and was very dissapointed in both the food served and the size of the portions available. I was already aware of the charges for snacks I had been warned so I stocked up with nibble's prior to getting on board. I only flew with them to try out the MD11 great AC and glad I did, but now I have done that I will not try Finnair again .
Good report & pics, I should do one on my Europe trip but bit to busy at the moment
Thanks, Rob. All the domestic trips will be online sooner or later.
Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 3): What a perfect entertainment it was to read your report (and look at the pictures) during the last half an hour or so - at least! I am really looking forward to the domestic parts, and to the return part of you guys trip!
Danke schÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¶n, Patrick. I should have sent you a bottle of WeiÃƒÆ’Ã…Â¸bierresi for an even better entertainment.
Probably he's training somewhere for his long-haul plans?
Quoting Avianca (Reply 4): well all in one I thought AY would offer a better product!
Indeed, I had expected the same until reading several reports here and on airlinequality.com...
Quoting Mal787 (Reply 5): I was already aware of the charges for snacks I had been warned so I stocked up with nibble's prior to getting on board.
Yes, did the same for the return flight!
Quoting Mal787 (Reply 5): I only flew with them to try out the MD11 great AC and glad I did, but now I have done that I will not try Finnair again .
I can only agree, I will stay away from Finnair long-hauls.
Quoting Mal787 (Reply 5): Good report & pics, I should do one on my Europe trip but bit to busy at the moment
Same situation here...so I have to spread the other reports over several weeks.
Quoting The777Man (Reply 6): Looking forward to reading more about your adventures in Japan! Hope to go there again in the spring with my son.
Japan is always worth a visit, what a fascinating country - it ranks really high on my "favorites list" now. Next time I also want to explore more of the country itself (but some spotting and flying can't be avoided).
Aleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 33
Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 32239 times:
Nice trip report. Honestly, I was surprised by the very low-level of in-flight catering on Finnair flight to NGO. Recently, I read similar TR, but it was about a flight to DEL and charging for shacks was not mentioned. Is it something new?
Anyway, pics from flights and observation deck in NGO are really great and I can't wait to read and see more from your Japan trip.
NG1Fan From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 32097 times:
I also spent some time spotting at NGO Centrair airport on April this year (even stayed in their hotel on the island). One of the more enterprising spotters had a little wooden contraption made to separate the horizontal wires on the viewing platform edge so he could get his ginormous telephoto lens thorugh it.
I flew Finnair only on one occasion some years ago: SVO-HEL-SVO (when I was based in Moscow). Aircraft used was an A320 both directions, quite full (it was the May Day long weekend). Loved the wooden parquetry floor in HEL).
Airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 31998 times:
good to see you went to Japan. Nice aircraft mix so far, good to see you've choosed JL for most domestic flights. I'm proud of you
Indeed, AY also dissappoints me with their charges for snacks. I don't like it on longhaul flights, and didn't expect it!
Aircraft routing over Siberia to Japan is always a bit 'strange'. Usually you fly just within Russian airspace without tuning over Chinese or any Korean airspace.
Already waiting for your continuing stories...
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26343 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 31833 times:
Hi nice TR and great pics. The E jet looks nice. The breakfast on longhaul looks really nice . Shame about the dinner. I dont mind paying for snacks like toblerone on longhaul to be honest. You cant expect them to give these branded items free. It would cost too much . €2 euro is not bad. AY actually look better than I thought they would be.
Anyway nice report
AEGEAN-OLYMPIC AIR - ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΚΗ " μέλος στη Star Alliance
Gate 33 has currently the superlong jetbridge due to the construction of the new part of the international terminal.
Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 8): Recently, I read similar TR, but it was about a flight to DEL and charging for shacks was not mentioned.
Sorry, I didn't realise to pay attention to it. It was indeed included also in the flight to DEL with those advertisements on the in-flight magazine and movie screens. I just thought that they had introduced a possibility to buy snacks during meals. Has it been complimentary before? Or do other airlines offer free snacks on long hauls? (apparently yes with so many posters complaining about it)
One of the best places in the world: McDonald's in T2 at FRA.
Lufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 31507 times:
Quoting EFHK (Reply 16): Has it been complimentary before? Or do other airlines offer free snacks on long hauls?
No idea to first. But I almost chuckled up the whisky from my mouth to the seat in front when I read that particular page in the Finnish edition of thr magazine years ago. It came way before chargeable alcohol.
Quoting EFHK (Reply 16): For me AY delivers a good product which meets my needs.
You must have very little needs, for me it doesn't deliver anything unless the fare is 499 or lower for longhaul round trip. And what's up with the recent PEK 499e offer, that's 100-200 more than usual?? Used to be 299-399 rest, 499 BKK/Japan before.
Buck3y3nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 31447 times:
great report & pictures...
That snack sale on an international flight is just bad... Whats next? Charging you to use the overhead bins???
I really enjoyed the pictures, they were very clear and what a nice bright day at NGO for you!!!
thanks for sharing this report with us
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6599 posts, RR: 78
Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 31435 times:
Good evening everybody and thanks again for your feedback!
Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 8): Anyway, pics from flights and observation deck in NGO are really great and I can't wait to read and see more from your Japan trip.
The observation decks in Japan simply rock, especially the ones at FUK and KIX. More to follow in the next reports!
Quoting InbarD (Reply 9): The Finnair service looks good, sad to hear you didn't enjoy it as much.
The European sectors were nice, especially the HEL-MUC sector. It's just the long-hauls which disappointed me.
Quoting NG1Fan (Reply 10): I also spent some time spotting at NGO Centrair airport on April this year (even stayed in their hotel on the island).
I also tried to book a room at the Centrair Hotel, but online reservation wasn't available. We chose the new Toyoko-Inn on the island - small room, but everything else was just fine. And it was really cheap (less than 50 Euro including breakfast for a double room).
Quoting NG1Fan (Reply 10): One of the more enterprising spotters had a little wooden contraption made to separate the horizontal wires on the viewing platform edge so he could get his ginormous telephoto lens thorugh it.
Oh - the guards didn't see that? There were many guards around.
Quoting Karan69 (Reply 12): Thanks for showing me the kind of aircraft AY brings to BOM, i know now that i wont be flying them to Europe.
Well, it may be better after the cabin refurbishment. Probably some of our Finnish friends on the forum can give some more details and keep us updated.
Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 13): Nice aircraft mix so far, good to see you've choosed JL for most domestic flights. I'm proud of you
Are you a JAL fan, Eric? Actually I found both ANA and JAL great carriers for domestic traveling - and not to forget Skymark.
Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 13): Aircraft routing over Siberia to Japan is always a bit 'strange'. Usually you fly just within Russian airspace without tuning over Chinese or any Korean airspace.
Yes, that was the routing on our return flight from KIX.
I'm already working on the second part, but it may take two weeks until I can finish it (due to job duties).
Quoting OA260 (Reply 14): I dont mind paying for snacks like toblerone on longhaul to be honest. You cant expect them to give these branded items free. It would cost too much . %u20AC2 euro is not bad.
I had never flown on a long-haul carrier before that charges for small snacks between the meals. Even US Airways had a basket with crackers or peanuts for free in the galley. I don't think some free snacks (available for pick-up in the galley) would be too costly, because many passengers sleep on night flights. And even on daylight most passengers don't leave their seats frequently.
Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 15): Great report PH, I recall we talked about this earlier and I was wrong to say you would get the new A340E.
No problem, Lari. I found about OH-LQA's Saturday schedule shortly after we talked about the trip. So I didn't suffer from a last-minute shock at the gate.
Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 15): I would describe longhaul AY myself as a step above Ryanair/Air Asia, and that's fromsomebody coming from Finland.
At least the main meals are still free of charge...
Quoting EFHK (Reply 16): Could it be possible that it was some kind of an airconditioning unit that was controlled from the cockpit and the crew didn't realise to turn it off?
Absolutely, yes. I could switch to the aisle seat, so I didn't tell the crew.
Quoting EFHK (Reply 16): Yes. I was disappointed by the decision of having ovens only for Business class passengers in the E-jets as they fly partly same routes as Airbuses.
AY should rethink that decision and add ovens for Economy.
Quoting EFHK (Reply 16): Gate 33 has currently the superlong jetbridge due to the construction of the new part of the international terminal.
Nice construction, but cool inside...
Quoting EFHK (Reply 16): Or do other airlines offer free snacks on long hauls? (apparently yes with so many posters complaining about it)
Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 17): And what's up with the recent PEK 499e offer, that's 100-200 more than usual?? Used to be 299-399 rest, 499 BKK/Japan before.
That sounds really really cheap. 499 Euro for Japan?
Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 18): After several positive experiences with Finnair and partners I was also disappointed when IÃƒÆ’%u201AÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â´ve read your story.
So, we will see if the return was better.
Hi Markus! The KIX-HEL sector was even worse (lack of PTVs, daylight flight), but the HEL-MUC flight was fine. AY is definitely a good choice on European services.
Palmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1174 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 31368 times:
Great trip report and pics. Was really interested to read about your planned domestic flights in Japan. I know you read my report recently on my JAL MD90 Hiroshima - Sapporo domestic flight. Sapporo also has great facilities, but at this time of year, agree that prob much warmer to go to Okinawa instead! Thanks again
Semsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 31273 times:
Fortunately there are still a few airlines that serve decent food in Y. I flew AY in the 1970s from Amsterdam to New York on a DC-8 and the food was not memorable either. I still remember the reindeer meat which was not to my taste.