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Kenya Airways KQ 470: 19/AUG/07: NBO-BJM: Y Cabin  
User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 27624 times:

Feedback always appreciated.

Trip Report: 029
Flight Category: Y-ISR (See Report End)
Date: 19-Aug-07
SDT/SAT/Delay: 0800/0840/01:45 hrs (Delayed 01:30)
Flight: Kenya Airways KQ 470, 544 miles
Routing: NBO-BJM
Aircraft: 733
Seat: Economy, 10A

I > Background:

Ok, I am back! After taking a sabbatical from trip reports for 5 months, here is the first installation from a series of trip reports. Mid-August to mid-November 2007 saw the craziest of my travel plans. 69 flights totalling 175,028 kms on 35 airlines, visiting 49 airports in 34 countries in all 6 continents. And, here is the best part … all of them were part of a 4month break from life … pure vacation, and pure food for the mind, body, and soul. Together, they mounted to 21/2 round-the-worlds that was truly insane. As usual, all long haul flights were on Business or First Class; short haul was on Economy Class.

As I have tried for A.Net audience in the past, several of the reports will be firsts on A.Net. These include either first time airline coverages, routes, airports, flights, or countries.

This report on Kenya Airways´ (KQ) NBO-BJM will be the first for the segment, and the first to feature reporting from the East Central African country of Burundi. The reason for the trip was to explore some of the countries in Africa I had not been to. Please note that the quality of pictures are poor. For those of you who have been to this land locked African country, you can appreciate how daunting security agents/police/informal secret service can be, and how they hate photography. I got caught once … but told them I was fixing my camera. Close call.

II > Pre-Flight:

a) Before Airport:
Kenya Airways is the lifeline (along with ET) providing valuable connectivity to small African countries. They have an excellent hub operaton at NBO (though, JKIA itself is dingy), and the NBO-BJM flight is a good revenue earner for the airline. KQ uses older B733 as this is not a prestigious route.

Booking was done online using Kenya Airways online website at www.kenya-airways.com. It was rather simple process. However, for some reason e-ticketing was not available, and I was advised to go to the airport to pick up my paper ticket. They were some glitches as KQ had recently migrated to Amadeus resulting in 2 PNRs. My biggest gripe with the online system was its inability to choose/modify seats. However, you can do the same 60 days prior to departure by calling HQ in NBO. Of course, I did the same and blocked the glorious 10A exit seat with no seat in front of me for the segment.

b) At Airport:
JKIA is a total disaster. KQ has completely outgrown its hub, and the agony at check-in was exaggerated when my prime exit row seat was somehow never logged and thus apparently given away. Knowing how things (apparently) work in Africa, a brandishing of my business card and stern words ensured that the älready assigned seat 10A magically re-appeared back! Not impressed. Things should not be this corrupt and complicated. Anyways, post obtaining my boarding pass, I went through very lax security to be in probably the most claustrophobic terminal in the world … narrow hallways with impressive shops housed within a bus terminal. I used to fly through JKIA in the 1980s and my memory was that the shops were not there … making the terminal spacious … and now it was just a nightmare and narrow!

Boarding was from gate 4. Those familiar with JKIA will know that this is the “remote gate”. Several flights leave out of gate 4 … you go down the stairs and walk to a bunch of parked (usually) KQ flights. At this particular time, there were lots of confusion as flights to FIH, JRO, DAR, JNB, and BJM were all supposed to leave from G4; yet signs were only indicating a subset of flights boarding; and annoucements were being made for a whole different subset of flights. Of course, tons of chaos ensured, and final push back after several rounds of manifest checks happened 01:30 behind schedule.

Upon boarding, I was greeted by a friendly KQ flight crew. The 733 looked good, but was not cleaned properly as evident from strewn garbage below seat 8A. Y class load was around 80%; J class at 60%.

Airport - External:

(JKIA Nairobi. Very 1970s)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/001-17.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/002-17.jpg

Check-In:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/003-17.jpg

Airport - Internal:

(Entire security area, Unit 2 – KQ Terminal)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/004-17.jpg

(Post-security departure board)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/005-17.jpg

(Post-security gate areas. All these shops have been added in the past 10-15 years … thus you can notice how NARROW the hallways have become. These hallways had very few shops when I lived there 20 years back as a young boy)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/006-17.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/007-17.jpg

(I LOVE this airport architecture. I personally feel in the “need” to modernize, many new airports around the world are becoming totally soulless. Sort of like cars. Generic.)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/008-17.jpg

Scenes of the tarmac:

(VS bound for LHR)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/009-17.jpg

(Parked Kenyan lines)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/010-16.jpg

(Defunct East African and their sole DC9)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/011-16.jpg

Lounge

NONE

Boarding:

NONE

III> In-Flight:

a) Service Schedule + Impressions:
Cold towels post take-off (much needed), a breakfast service 30 mins into the flight, and duty-free sales after breakfast cleared.


b) Aircraft + Seats:
Even though there was litter below some seats, the overall 733 looked clean and the bathrooms were also in good shape. Even though seat pitch outside exit row was industry average, the aircraft looked remarkable spacious. The seats themselves were comfortable cloth. Recline was definitely class-leading. Perhaps you can get a sense of the generous recline from the picture.

Aircraft:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/012-17.jpg

Views from Aircraft:

(Many of the 733s do the morning bank of flights taking transit passengers to various parts of East and South East Africa)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/013-17.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/014-17.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/015-17.jpg

(Precision Air to Dar)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/016-17.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/017-16.jpg

(Fly 540 to MYD and continuing to LAU)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/018-13.jpg

(Martinair Cargo)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/019-13.jpg

Seat Leg-Room:

(Comfortable exit row – I LOVE these seats on 732, 733, 734, and 735)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/020-13.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/021-13.jpg

(Regular Seating Row)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/022-13.jpg

Seat Recline + Angle View:

(Very generous recline)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/023-12.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/024-12.jpg

Cabin:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/025-11.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/026-6.jpg

c) Meal + Beverage:

Breakfast service was introduced 30mins into departure and included an option between sausage and omelette. I wondered what the vegetarians on-board would eat if they had not pre-ordered their meals. While I did appreciate the breakfast service, the quantity was extremely small, and the beans were sweet and soggy. After breakfast, several runs of coffee, tea, and water was done

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/027-6.jpg

d) Inflight Entertainment:
Only inflight magazine was available during the flight. To be honest, MSAFIRI is an excellent read … even overlooking the Kenya propaganda.

(In-flight magazines, Boarding Passes, etc.)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/028-5.jpg

e) Crew:

Cabin crew were really good during the flight. They had genuine smiles during the flight and were prompt and courteous. They took pride in their jobs, and this was most evident during the safety demo, and during the exit row briefing which was definitely not brief! Upon finding out that I was an airline consultant, several of the crew came by to chat, and talk about their impending Skyteam status.

IV> Post-Flight:

Bujumbura is a weird airport with surreal architecture straight out from the CONEHEAD movie or something. I risked my life (little drama queen) to take the pictures. Hope y´all like them. There are no air bridges and the airport receives very minimal flights. There was a long line for visa on arrivals (VOA), and according to the guy at the VOA counter, I was “definitely the first Liechtenstein passport holder in all of Burundian history”. After VOA issued, bag pick up was immediate, and then it was Xrayed and I was in Burundi.

(My first Caravelle sighting! – Air Burundi)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/029-5.jpg

(Now, that’s a COOL airport)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/031-5.jpg

(Picture from outside trying to avoid security)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/032-4.jpg

V> Impressions + Scores:

Kenya Airways provides a vital lik to many cities in the region. On the positives, they had an excellent schedule complemented by great crew. On the average was their meal service and IFE (I could live without audio-video on short flights). Negatives included JKIA check-in and boarding. I would definitely recommend them unless any other airline can provide a comparable product on the same routing. This being Africa, I would be surprised …

Reservation: 7.0
Check-In: 4.0
Lounge: N/A
Boarding: 5.0
Seat: 8.0
Aircraft Overall Ambience: 7.0
IFE: 5.0
Crew Service: 8.5
Food: 6.0
Beverages: 6.0
Amenity Kits + Others Freebies: 5.0
Disembarkation: 7.0
On-Time Record: 5.5
OVERALL IMPRESSION: 6.17
(Pre-flight average of all-reviews: 6.32)

(Scores are based on comparison with other airlines in THAT class of service – No comparison of Y vs. F for example)

VI> Other Trip Reports:

1/ Avianca: BOG-LIM: 07/06/06: 7.09pts: Y-IMR
2/ Air Tran: EWR-MDW: 08/02/06: 6.73pts: Y-DMR
3/ West Jet: YYC-YVR: 09/05/06: 7.14pts: Y-DMR
4/ Air Canada: YYZ-YVR: 09/02/06: 5.92pts: Y-DLR
5/ Air Canada: ALB-YYZ: 09/01/06: 5.88pts: Y-ISR
6/ Singapore Airlines: EWR-SIN: 09/20/06: 7.81pts: J-ILR
7/ Adam Air: SIN-CGK: 09/22/06: 6.04: Y-ISR
8/ Valuair: CGK-SIN: 09/22/06: 5.04: Y-ISR
9/ Spice Jet: CCU-DEL: 09/25/06: 6.67: Y-DMR
10/ Indian: DEL-CCU: 09/26/06: 7.25: Y-DMR
11/ Air Sahara: CCU-BOM: 09/28/06: 4.42: Y-DMR
12/ Air Deccan: IXZ-CCU: 10/07/06: 5.75: Y-DMR
13/ Alliance: CCU-IXA: 10/08/06: 7.54: Y-DSR
14/ Kingfisher: IXA-GAU: 10/08/06: 8.21: Y-DSR
15/ Indigo: GAU-CCU: 10/08/06: 6.54: Y-DSR
16/ Singapore Airlines: CCU-SIN: 10/11/06: 5.88: J-IMR
17/ Air Canada: ICN-YYZ: 10/12/06: 7.13: J-ILR
18/ Delta AirLines: SEA-JFK: 11/24/06: 7.17: F-DLR
19/ USA 3000: PUJ-BDL: 01/06/07: 5.96: Y-IMR
20/ Viva Aerobus: CUN-JFK: 02/20/07: 4.58: Y-DSR
21/ Jet Blue: CUN-JFK: 02/20/07: 5.96: Y-IMR
22/ SAS Norge/Braathens: OSL-AES: 05/26/07: 5.75: Y-DSR
23/ TAP Air Portugal: OSL-LIS: 05/29/07: 5.46: Y-IMR
24/ Delta Airlines: JFK-CDG: 08/09/07: 7.85: J-ILR
25/ Air France: CDG-JNB: 08/10/07: 5.33: J-ILR
26/ LAM Mozambique: JNB-MPM: 08/13/07: 5.67: Y-ISR
26/ Transairways Mozambique: INH-MPM: 08/17/07: 6.08: Y-DSR
27/ Air Link Swaziland: MTS-JNB: 08/18/07: 6.17: Y-ISR

(Note on Codes: Y – Economy, J – Business, F – First :: I/D – International/Domestic :: SR/MR/LR – Short/Medium/Long Haul :: I have designed these codes so people don’t believe my scores are comparing apples with oranges)

VII> Other Pictures:

It has now become customary to share some images of the place I went to, and some other related aviation pictures. Hope everyone enjoys!

(Craziness of downtown Bujumbura, capital city)
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/abrelosojosnow/033-4.jpg

(Main church – lets all go with AK47s – I was trying VERY hard to take this without them seeing me take a picture – would not have been good)


(Love this picture. Local bar)


(One of the BEST inland beaches I have been to! Near Buj at Lake Tangyanika)



Live, and let live.
25 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 27606 times:
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Thank You for this trip report and well done. I love the pics of KQ 737 winglets. How did you enjoy your stay in Burundi?
Did you enjoy their french Dialect?.



When you feel tired, never stop..Keep climbing
User currently offlineBuck3y3nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 27459 times:

Another great trip report. I could never think that I could check out Burundi from my computer chair here... that's just great. Your trip is just so wonderful taking you to all these cool and new places...
thanks again for sharing it with us  Smile


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 27436 times:

Nice to have a hot meal on such a service even if the beans were not to yhour liking. It's getting more and more rare to find meals on services of these lengths

User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2776 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 27206 times:

Another fine report Mr!

Nice to hear about those far away places that are so ´off the beaten path´ the pics are also very good.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
(Main church ? lets all go with AK47s ? I was trying VERY hard to take this without them seeing me take a picture ? would not have been good)

Indeed!

JKIA looks very very tired and old, looks more like a run down bus station to me, are there any plans to modernize/build a new airport?

MIAspotter



I think, therefore I don´t fly Ryanair.
User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 27118 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Defunct East African and their sole DC9

Are you 100% sure? I don't think so... there web-page looks quite working so far: http://easyflight.bookeastafrican.com/easa/index.php

I think you mixed up EAST AFRICAN EXPRESS with EAST AFRICAN SAFARI AIR...


User currently offlineAirEcosse From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 27078 times:

I love the design of Bujumbura airport. Great pictures once again - nice that you include photos of the places you are visiting along the way.

Best wishes

AirEcosse.


User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 26896 times:

Did you visit the famous hotel in the movie about the civil war?

User currently offlineStevenG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 26864 times:

That's another very nice trip report! Nice touch to add some pictures from your destination.

I have the same feelings about NBO which I have passed through several times throughout the last 17 years.
Those shops must have been placed somewhere in the 90's as I can't recall them either from my first visits.
Especially in the early and late hours the place is really cramped.
I don't have the impression that the expansion program (left of the present terminal) will be completed soon. At least I didn't see much progress since my previous visit.
Last year my luggage went missing after check-in at NBO. Last hope faded after going through the piles of luggages in the luggage claim area. Some of those pieces contain a layer of dust!

Although almost every airline has its share of problems and irregularities, KQ does very well, especially in Africa.
On the 737-800 KQ has a IFE-program working on the NBO-KGL flight which takes only 70 minutes.

Quoting Debonair (Reply 5):
Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter):
Defunct East African and their sole DC9

Are you 100% sure? I don't think so... there web-page looks quite working so far: http://easyflight.bookeastafrican.co...x.php

I am wondering too. Just four weeks ago I am pretty sure I saw (one of) their DC-9('s) taxiing along that infamous gate 4. Indeed, these birds are really old. Ma Probably even NW won't be interested in them anymore!

Quoting Semsem (Reply 7):
Did you visit the famous hotel in the movie about the civil war?

Probably you are thinking about the movie 'Hotel Rwanda'? This refers to the 1994 genocide in Rwanda and tells about the Hotel Des Milles Collines in Kigali where thousands of citizens sought shelter.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 26829 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 1):
How did you enjoy your stay in Burundi?
Did you enjoy their french Dialect?.

= Yes. I had a great time. Bujumbura is a very stange capital city ... but c'est la vie. Its hard to understand the real vibe as I was seen as another NGO/Dev Agency worker ... and I try to avoid that crowd. But once I got settled in, its a fascinating country. The coast and the interiors are really beautiful and in most places I was the only tourist. Oh, and the nightlife just simply rocks. Open air clubbing to Lingala (Congolese music) with random Shakira (Colombia) and Punjabi MC (India) thrown in. Aah ... now I am wishing I was on the road again for pleasure.

Quoting Buck3y3nut (Reply 2):
Another great trip report. I could never think that I could check out Burundi from my computer chair here... that's just great. Your trip is just so wonderful taking you to all these cool and new places...
thanks again for sharing it with us

= Thanks. Get out there! Trust me, I travel cheap ... I splurge on plane tickets because for long flights I dont want to fly Y ... but I usually get by staying at backpacker hotels or using an excellent friends-of-friends network  Smile.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 3):
Nice to have a hot meal on such a service even if the beans were not to yhour liking. It's getting more and more rare to find meals on services of these lengths

= Very true indeed. I did appreciate the meal.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 4):
JKIA looks very very tired and old, looks more like a run down bus station to me, are there any plans to modernize/build a new airport?

= No se. I have heard constant rumours of a new JKIA Unit 3 revamp, but information is hard to find.

Quoting Semsem (Reply 7):
Did you visit the famous hotel in the movie about the civil war?



Quoting StevenG (Reply 8):
Probably you are thinking about the movie 'Hotel Rwanda'? This refers to the 1994 genocide in Rwanda and tells about the Hotel Des Milles Collines in Kigali where thousands of citizens sought shelter.

= Steven G is right. The genocide happened in both countries - with the Hutu and Tutsis having reversed roles in the 2 countries. Interestingly, even today, there is a different approach to reconciliation. In Rwanda, its more about the Rwandan identity ... there are no Hutu or Tutsi ... in Burundi, its about celebrating the differences and talking about them. The whole thing is pretty sad given how these artificial demarcations were created in the first place.

I stayed for a night at the Hotel Des Milles Collines. It is in Kigali ... and I promise to include it in the next TR just for you  Smile.

Quoting Debonair (Reply 5):
Are you 100% sure? I don't think so... there web-page looks quite working so far: http://easyflight.bookeastafrican.com/easa/index.php

I think you mixed up EAST AFRICAN EXPRESS with EAST AFRICAN SAFARI AIR...



Quoting StevenG (Reply 8):
I am wondering too. Just four weeks ago I am pretty sure I saw (one of) their DC-9('s) taxiing along that infamous gate 4. Indeed, these birds are really old. Ma Probably even NW won't be interested in them anymore!

= This is indeed a tricky one. Perhaps someone who is at JKIA can shed a light? Debonair, I know they have a website ... but try booking a ticket there and I assure you it will not work. Their phone number off the website does not work as well. Here is the weird part ... I had to fly internally and tried tracking down the office for East African and failed miserably. In Unit 3 (domestic terminal at JKIA), there was no one in the office and it looked abandoned. Same thing in Mombasa. An airport staffer confirmed that the airline was no longer in operation. But its Kenya, who knows?

Cheers,
A.

PS: Yes, StevenG ... I LOVE the infamous gate 4 @ JKIA  Smile. Though, to be fair, I love the ramp down to the tarmac!



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 26794 times:

Great report, service on KQ looks very good indeed.

How safe is Burundi? I am just asking because up to a year or so a go it was listed as basically a no-go country by the FCO in the UK.

Thanks for the report.


User currently offlineStevenG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 26667 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 9):
This is indeed a tricky one. Perhaps someone who is at JKIA can shed a light? Debonair, I know they have a website ... but try booking a ticket there and I assure you it will not work. Their phone number off the website does not work as well. Here is the weird part ... I had to fly internally and tried tracking down the office for East African and failed miserably. In Unit 3 (domestic terminal at JKIA), there was no one in the office and it looked abandoned. Same thing in Mombasa. An airport staffer confirmed that the airline was no longer in operation. But its Kenya, who knows?

It might even go further as their office at JKIA (NBO) is the same as Jetlink Kenya. A year ago I bought a ticket to Malindi assuming that it was an East African flight and therefore on a DC-9, but it turned out to be a Jetlink Kenya F-28 flight. Same thing happening on the way back from Mombasa to NBO. Jetlink was still operating this month. By the way, their flights were everything but full while the KQ-flights on the same routes were fully booked days in advance.

Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 9):
PS: Yes, StevenG ... I LOVE the infamous gate 4 @ JKIA . Though, to be fair, I love the ramp down to the tarmac!

I don't mind either! Sometimes going down the long stair case I feel like a small kid going into a candy store!

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 10):
How safe is Burundi? I am just asking because up to a year or so a go it was listed as basically a no-go country by the FCO in the UK.

Recently, the FCO and Dutch Ministery of Foreign Affaires were not positive on the safety situation in Burundi especially in the north. If you have any plans to visit that area, I would personally recommend Rwanda. It's still a poor country but definitely worth a visit. Some places are really expensive (like visiting the famous mountain gorilla's!) but the landscape is very nice, the people are friendly, the whole Hutu-Tutsi hostility is over as Abrelosojos stated correctly and compared to other countries in the region it is a clean place, especially Kigali. There is a couple of grim reminders throughout the country from the tragedy in 1994, but I absolutely feel more safe in Rwanda than in Kenya and I wasn't the only one thinking that way.


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 26603 times:



Quoting StevenG (Reply 11):
It might even go further as their office at JKIA (NBO) is the same as Jetlink Kenya. A year ago I bought a ticket to Malindi assuming that it was an East African flight and therefore on a DC-9, but it turned out to be a Jetlink Kenya F-28 flight. Same thing happening on the way back from Mombasa to NBO. Jetlink was still operating this month. By the way, their flights were everything but full while the KQ-flights on the same routes were fully booked days in advance.

= Which one is Jetlink? Is it the one whose aircrafts have absolutely no markings? Very shady  Smile.

Quoting Ryanair737 (Reply 10):
How safe is Burundi? I am just asking because up to a year or so a go it was listed as basically a no-go country by the FCO in the UK.



Quoting StevenG (Reply 11):
Recently, the FCO and Dutch Ministery of Foreign Affaires were not positive on the safety situation in Burundi especially in the north. If you have any plans to visit that area, I would personally recommend Rwanda. It's still a poor country but definitely worth a visit. Some places are really expensive (like visiting the famous mountain gorilla's!) but the landscape is very nice, the people are friendly, the whole Hutu-Tutsi hostility is over as Abrelosojos stated correctly and compared to other countries in the region it is a clean place, especially Kigali. There is a couple of grim reminders throughout the country from the tragedy in 1994, but I absolutely feel more safe in Rwanda than in Kenya and I wasn't the only one thinking that way.

= First of all Ryan737, take what the FCO and Dutch MFA (sorry StevenG) say with a grain of salt  Smile. I personally felt very safe in Buj. In the night, I would not walk home alone ... but I would not do it in many cities. As StevenG pointed out, there are definitely unstable areas in the North ... but I braved and took a bus from Buj to Kigali and did not feel unsafe at any point ... of course, the comfort and pain of the bus ride was a whole different thing!

In my opinion, Rwanda and Kenya are on average equally safe. However, Kigali is a ZILLION times safer than Nairobi. In fact, I did not find it unsafe. Its a fun city ... tho, nightlife is kinda boring (sorry StevenG, I would get tired of Republika and the Libyan "ambassador" every single night ... I am assuming you live there and do the expat scene ... hehe). The way I see Rwanda is this ... if you are in East Africa, YOU MUST VISIT. Its a gem of a country and people are extraordinarily friendly. Kigali is safe and there are some great eating out options. Just make sure you get out of the expat enclaves.

Cheers,
A.

PS: StevenG, I take it you live in Kigali. What do you do?
PS2: The key to any of these countries is to take local advice when going to remote areas. If you go in a marked USAID/GTZ 4x4, chances of you getting mugged is of course higher.



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User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 26542 times:

Thank you. It was a wonderful but sad movie.It's confusing. The movie was called Hotel Rwanda but it is in Kigali, Burundi. Anyway thank you if you have a chance to show the famous hotel.

User currently offlineStevenG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 26532 times:



Quoting Semsem (Reply 13):
Thank you. It was a wonderful but sad movie.It's confusing. The movie was called Hotel Rwanda but it is in Kigali, Burundi. Anyway thank you if you have a chance to show the famous hotel.

You're getting close! Hotel Rwanda (real name: Hotel des Milles Collines) indeed is in Kigali, which is the capital of Rwanda. Bujumbura is the capital of Burundi, south of Rwanda.


User currently offlineStevenG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 26479 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 12):
= Which one is Jetlink? Is it the one whose aircrafts have absolutely no markings? Very shady .

As far as it is the CR70, you are correct. Only the company name in small print on the white fuselage and a very small smile-like symbol on the tail. You really have to be near the aircraft to see the difference. Their F28 looks very similar to the East African one in your pictures. The only visible differences are the company name and the yellow tail.
I saw a 737-200, almost white, but as far as I know it didn't belong to East African. Further on the apron a NAMC YS11 could be seen which is a rarity these days anywhere, let alone in Africa. Looked like it had not been moved from its parking position during two weeks.

Regarding your other questions, just check you message box!


User currently offlineMarambio From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2004, 1160 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 26328 times:

It is always nice to read your globetrotting endeavours, Mr Abrelosojos.

JKIA I found to be the closest brother of EZE - built in the same decade, with the same materials and architecture. I've also been through the infamous Gate 4 on a PW flight to Kilimanjaro, and it was a huge African/Latin American mess. Sometimes the Americas and Africa have too many things in common.

I really laughed when I noticed you were on seat 10A, for I also sat there on a KQ flight to MBA, operated with a 733. This was almost two years ago. And I completely agree on the fact that Msafiri must be one of the best in-flight magazines in the industry.

Thanks for putting your whole bunch of reports up, and safari njema.  Smile

Saludos,
Marambio



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6811 posts, RR: 77
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 26182 times:



Quoting StevenG (Reply 8):
I am wondering too. Just four weeks ago I am pretty sure I saw (one of) their DC-9('s) taxiing along that infamous gate 4. Indeed, these birds are really old. Ma Probably even NW won't be interested in them anymore!

According to ATDB the two DC-9-14s are still active, though this may have changed meanwhile. With line numbers 004 and 019 they're indeed very old.


PH



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User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 26169 times:



Quoting StevenG (Reply 15):
I saw a 737-200, almost white, but as far as I know it didn't belong to East African.

I guess DELTA CONNECTION AIR? Am I right? pictures and more infos:

http://www.deltaconnection.co.ke/flash/index.html (FLASH-player req.)

Quoting StevenG (Reply 15):
Their F28 looks very similar to the East African one in your pictures.

Since years, their web-page is not working... http://www.jetlink.co.ke/

lo siento, Abrelosojos to high-jack your trip-repoert...

But which airline is still operating (fleet, routes ?)

African Express Airways
Airkenya
Blue Bird Aviation
CMC Aviation/ DAC AVIATION
Flamingo Airlines
Fly540


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26054 times:



Quoting StevenG (Reply 15):
Regarding your other questions, just check you message box!

= Thanks. I will write soon.

Quoting StevenG (Reply 15):
As far as it is the CR70, you are correct. Only the company name in small print on the white fuselage and a very small smile-like symbol on the tail. You really have to be near the aircraft to see the difference. Their F28 looks very similar to the East African one in your pictures. The only visible differences are the company name and the yellow tail.
I saw a 737-200, almost white, but as far as I know it didn't belong to East African. Further on the apron a NAMC YS11 could be seen which is a rarity these days anywhere, let alone in Africa. Looked like it had not been moved from its parking position during two weeks.

= There are also a couple of white DH7s - but I think I tracked those to belong to Safarilink - not to be confused with East African Airlink or Delta Link.

Quoting Marambio (Reply 16):
It is always nice to read your globetrotting endeavours, Mr Abrelosojos.

JKIA I found to be the closest brother of EZE - built in the same decade, with the same materials and architecture. I've also been through the infamous Gate 4 on a PW flight to Kilimanjaro, and it was a huge African/Latin American mess. Sometimes the Americas and Africa have too many things in common.

I really laughed when I noticed you were on seat 10A, for I also sat there on a KQ flight to MBA, operated with a 733. This was almost two years ago. And I completely agree on the fact that Msafiri must be one of the best in-flight magazines in the industry.

Thanks for putting your whole bunch of reports up, and safari njema.

Saludos,
Marambio

= Asante sana! As I have mentioned before, its the Indo-Latin-(and now Africa) school of thought. Its awesome. So much more colorful than other places. The world is indeed a strange place. Perhaps we were on the same bird  Smile?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 17):
According to ATDB the two DC-9-14s are still active, though this may have changed meanwhile. With line numbers 004 and 019 they're indeed very old.


PH

= 004?! Would that make it the oldest suviving DC9? Also, which airline?

Quoting Debonair (Reply 18):
I guess DELTA CONNECTION AIR? Am I right? pictures and more infos:

http://www.deltaconnection.co.ke/flash/index.html (FLASH-player req.)

Quoting StevenG (Reply 15):
Their F28 looks very similar to the East African one in your pictures.

Since years, their web-page is not working... http://www.jetlink.co.ke/

lo siento, Abrelosojos to high-jack your trip-repoert...

But which airline is still operating (fleet, routes ?)

African Express Airways
Airkenya
Blue Bird Aviation
CMC Aviation/ DAC AVIATION
Flamingo Airlines
Fly540

= I really dont think that Delta connection is working. Air Kenya and Fly 540 are definitely there ... expect a TR from one of them  Smile. Also in business is Safarilink and (Mombasa) Coast Air.

Cheers,
A.



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8546 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 26018 times:
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Great TR , loved the pix, some look pretty dangerous!

JKIA looks a real dump, lot's of work needed there!

KQ look pretty reasonable from this flight, though the breakfast looked a bit rough.

Thanks, an enjoying the TR's.

Regards

Mark



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6811 posts, RR: 77
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25855 times:



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 19):
= 004?! Would that make it the oldest suviving DC9? Also, which airline?

That's East African Safari Air's 5Y-XXB. The question is whether it's indeed still active - ATDB says yes. Number two would be sistership 5Y-XXA (line number 019). The third oldest in active service would be YV1382, operated by LASER.


PH



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User currently offlineMAN23R From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 25743 times:

iam i right in saying that the women with the pink top on is showing her left breast?

also a great TR!!


scott


User currently offlineAbrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5100 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 25729 times:



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 21):
That's East African Safari Air's 5Y-XXB. The question is whether it's indeed still active - ATDB says yes. Number two would be sistership 5Y-XXA (line number 019). The third oldest in active service would be YV1382, operated by LASER.


PH

= Thanks PH for that info. I wonder if any Kenyan members of the forum can confirm all these mysteries for us.

Quoting MAN23R (Reply 22):
iam i right in saying that the women with the pink top on is showing her left breast?

also a great TR!!


scott

= Scott. You are right ... and that is SCARY. Though, I think its scarier that you noticed. When was the last time ...  Wink?

Cheers,
A.



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User currently offlineZS-SAZ From South Africa, joined Jul 2001, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 25591 times:

Really interesting trip report! And so well structured. Thanks a lot!

JKIA does indeed look fascinating. I have always had a propensity towards 70s-era airport design. There is something about it that screams adventure and exotism. I have heard about plans to develop the airport - and they certainly are in place - but whether they have been implemented or not is a different question.

You might be interested to look at this thread - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=511237 - it shows some of the designs.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 25, posted (6 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 25445 times:

As usually a great TR.

The pics are really nice.

Quoting MAN23R (Reply 22):
iam i right in saying that the women with the pink top on is showing her left breast?

Seems so.


Thank you for sharing.

B747forever.



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