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User currently offlineMonorail From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 631 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8695 times:

I get dropped off at Sky Harbor around 4:45, and I proceeded immediately to the check-in counter. There is no line for the self service kiosks, and a few of the stations are occupied, but I’m able to locate a kiosk immediately and check in quickly, checking one bag. After dropping my bag with the TSA agent next door, I proceed upstairs to take a look at the ramp. American usually has 5 planes RON at PHX, and this season they’re all Mad Dogs. [Beginning the next day I believe they will have a 738 RON here too, with the start of the PHX-MIA service, which boasted several banners in the terminal.

Two of the Mad Dogs:

My Mad Dog to ORD, out of gate 2:

The security queues are already getting long since the checkpoint does not open until close to 5. I take my time and browse through the gift shops until the checkpoints open and the line starts moving.

Boarding begins at around 6:40. It’s a completely full flight, and it takes about half an hour to get everyone on board.

Thursday December 13
Phoenix-Chicago O’Hare
American Airlines Flight 2268
McDonnell Douglas MD-82
N587AA (delivered in 1991)
Departs: 7:15 AM (act. 7:20)
Arrives: 11:30 AM (act. 11:53)
Flight time: 2 hours, 45 minutes
Load: 100%

The view outside 24A:

Here’s our flight path:

We push a few minutes late, and we sit in the alley beside T3 south for a few minutes longer as we watch 4 737’s taxi by us in rapid succession. We follow the Canyon Blue caravan down to 7L for departure. We finally get our time on the runway at approximately 7:35. Ahhh, the sweet sound of JT8D’s spooling up. It’s a very long takeoff roll that takes us to the front of the T4 gates before we’re off the ground. We take a few very gradual turns to the northeast. It’s a rather smooth ascent. We climb initially to 32,000, and then later make it up to 33,000 feet. We’re rather close to ABQ when the first drink service commences. I order a Coca-Cola, and get the entire can.
I may be wrong, but I believe I snapped this one just after we passed ABQ.

As we all know there’s no IFE to speak of in the coach cabin of AA’s massive Mad Dog fleet, but I’m armed with reading material. I picked up “No Country for Old Men” by Cormac McCarthy, which I decided I had to read after seeing the amazing movie a couple weeks ago. As an aside, I strongly recommend the movie if you haven’t seen it yet. Along with the novel, I also have my standard Sudoku book that I never fly without. Between those 2, I also found time to peruse the American Way magazine. I didn’t spend much time with the latter, which was highlighted by articles on Neil Patrick Harris talking about his hometown ABQ and another about a prominent bacteriologist.

Some more window views…
I believe in extreme NE New Mexico

And about 30 minutes later

About 45 minutes after the first drink service, I saw the FA’s reemerge with the cart and begin a second service. This time I go for an orange juice. The cruising portion of our flight was very smooth, and for the last 45-60 minutes of the flight, this was the view out the window:
I’d estimate the top of those clouds were at about 9,000-10,000 feet. I say this because on our decent we don’t pass through those clouds until after the announcement has been made that electronic devices must be turned off again, and the FA’s begin preparing the cabin for arrival. Around this point an FA announces our arrival gate of K19, then gives a moment to locate it on the map in the American Way before reading connecting gate numbers. I enjoy the fact that AA gives gate info on flights into their hubs, as a lot of the other major carriers don’t do the same. We hit a little choppy air in the clouds, but once we get below them, then we get thrown around a little more from the crosswinds. Still, relatively speaking, it’s not all that rough an approach. Touchdown on 22R is smooth, at around 11:20. After turning on to the taxiway, we head down toward the threshold of 32R, and then stop. The captain announces that the plane ahead of us is still at the gate, so we sit there for 20 minutes. I have an excellent view of the 32R departures though. First is a JAL 744, impressively kicking up snow as it barrels past us. I even hear a passenger behind me exclaim an obscenity as he marveled at the wake it left.

After that:

I also see a UA 744 touchdown in the background during all of this. Finally, we learn our gate is now vacant, so we head over to K19, pulling in at 11:53.

K19 is located at the end of the K pier, and it boasts a very long, jointed jetway. View from the terminal:
This plane is now headed to AUS.

ORD is bursting with activity at this hour. Over 2/3 of the gates seem to be filled, and nearly every one has an MD-80. I pass departures for DEN, LAS, LAX, and LGA, to name a few. I see a lone 757 [with winglets no less] so of course I venture over to see where it’s headed among this sea of Mad Dogs. I assume West Coast or Florida, but I am surprised to see the gate marked for Steamboat Springs. I’m aware that those ski markets need a 757 just for performance reasons, with those small runways and steep ascents, but I still find it funny that Steamboat Springs lands the only 757 in sight.
Once I’ve had my share of looking at this departure bank, I exit the secure area and head outside. I walk down to the Hilton, on property, in order to visit the “ORD Chicago” gift shop in the basement. It’s about 30* outside, and it’s beginning to snow ever so lightly. I take my time in the shop, which is quite expensive, though they do showcase a wide selection of memorabilia. I don’t spot any models, so I settle for a few new pins for my collection. I pick up BA, which I’ve wanted for some time now, IB, a retro UA DC10, and a smiling QF 747. I’ve still been unable to locate the QF tail pin for my collection, but I figure
Normally those pins run for $5 at LAS and MCO, but here they’re $8. Ouch.
Happy with my new purchases, I return to the security checkpoints, and the lines aren’t very long. I pass through the one at the far right end of T3, by the G gates. I stroll down to UA’s C gates, which appear to be even busier than the AA gates. I don’t remember when, but at some point I snapped this guy arriving at the M gates
I end up getting McDonald’s for lunch, back down at the K gates. Already the international bank is starting to show up. I spot a 763 bound for Rome parked at a K gate. When I finish eating, it’s already past 2:00, so it’s time to make my way over to G9 for my connecting flight, at 2:40.

Chicago O’Hare-Cleveland
American Airlines Flight 3974
Operated by American Eagle
Embraer EMB-145LR
N925AE (delivered in 2005)
Departs: 2:40 PM (act. 3:10)
Arrives: 4:55 PM (act. 5:10)
Flight time: 45 minutes
Load factor: 95-100%

Flight path:

I don’t recall seeing any vacant seats on board, but there may have been a couple behind me so the load is just a guess. The inbound a/c is late, it gets in close to 2:30. The way G9 is situated, I was not even able to see that the gate was empty when I got to the gate area. There are no announcements, but soon enough the departure board is updated to show a new departure time of 2:50. Boarding doesn’t even start until 2:40. I am excited because this is my first Embraer jet of any sort. I’ve been on 4 CRJ’s before, but I had always wanted to try the infamous ‘A’ side seat on an ERJ, to get both a window and an aisle seat. Today I finally have my opportunity. I get seat 14A, part of boarding Zone 2.
Our flaps are still extended, and the captain soon informs us that it’s the case because they encountered some ice on their decent, and that we’d be getting a visit from the deicing truck prior to departure. Boarding the aircraft is an adventure, since I am 6’4 and I have to duck significantly from the doorway all the way back to the rear of the aircraft where my seat is located. The FA wryly smiles as I and the other vertically gifted passengers negotiate the ceiling. The door closes once everyone’s on board, and I see the jetway get pulled away, but we still sit in place for a while as we await the deicing truck. When it does come, they treat the planes beside us as well. I don’t even have that great a view. Since they concentrated heavily on the wing, my window view was obscured by the cloud of pink vapor. After our neighbors were also deiced, and the one on starboard side pushes, then we’re cleared to push. We head directly down to 22L. No other departing aircraft are ahead of us, but we need to wait for 2 other aircraft to land before the runway is ours. It’s a powerful takeoff, and we’re quickly airborne. As soon as our gear is up, we immediately take a relatively hard turn to the left. We also reach the clouds in no time, and almost the instant we break through on the other side, we hit 10,000 feet.

The scenery looks the same for this flight as it did for the last hour of the last flight. This time, though, we cruised at only 25,000, so the clouds were a little closer.

A few minutes before we reached cruise and the seatbelt sign came off, the drink service commenced. The FA warned us in advance that we were not very well catered. I believe I ordered another soda or orange juice on this segment, but my memory is a little fuzzy now 3 days after the fact. Anyway, this flight blows by fast too. Eagle has the usual American Way and SkyMall in the seat back pocket, as well as a third magazine, Latitudes, exclusive to Eagle. I notice that every page has both English and Spanish translations of each article, something you usually don’t see in other US carrier’s seat backs.

It strikes me funny when the captain announces “Will the flight attendant please prepare the cabin for arrival,” rather than the usual plural form.
Just like in ORD, we don’t get below the cloudcover until moments before landing. We come in on 24R, and then do not retract our flaps even after we turn off, likely for deicing again. The taxi back to the gate, just like the one in ORD out to the runway, was unusually bumpy, I could feel every little bump on the concrete. If we ran over a quarter, I could probably tell you if it were heads or tails. For both taxis I overheard a person on board ask their seatmate whether we blew a tire. I don’t know if that’s par for the course for just ERJ’s or all RJ’s in general. It’s been 2 years since my last CRJ so I don’t recall. I expect us to pull into A3, which seems to usually get the ORD flights, but instead we pull into A1, which most often handles the DFW CR7’s.
It’s nice flying on a small jet because my bag doesn’t take long at all to reach the baggage carousels.

Overall, I give AA good marks for this journey. I know I lucked out, getting through O’Hare with precipitation in the area during the winter with no real disruption, as I prefer transiting through DFW when I go AA. I’ll get to press my luck again in January, when I do the reverse itinerary again through ORD, with a comparable layover length.
Thanks for taking the time to read!

Playoffs? Don't talk about playoffs!
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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17732 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8276 times:

Nice TR.

The pics are really good.

Seems that you had a ok flölight with AA.

Quoting Monorail (Thread starter):
FA announces our arrival gate of K19, then gives a moment to locate it on the map in the American Way before reading connecting gate numbers

Think that some more major carriers shall follow AA and do this also.

Looking forward for next TR in January!!!

Thank you for sharing


Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineDALCE From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2007, 2018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8236 times:

Very nice report with some great shots!
Thanks for sharing!


flown: F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,77W,788,319,320,321,333,AB6.
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5717 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8121 times:

Good Report!

I always enjoy riding AA and their MD80's and certainly will give them a chance again when possible.

Though I prefer DFW over ORD, mainly because flying out of STL I get more 757's then I would ORD largely for the IFE stuff.

Are you any elite on AA or what? I have close to 22K Miles but only 4K Elite, largely thanks to my credit card purchases.


Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8002 times:

Nice report. While working at ORD I have grown to love the chaos that is that airport. There are so many different people that come through there. I was in T3 and prefer it but now I am in T1. Terminal 1 just seems so much more packed!!

Nice pictures by the way. PHX I hear is a nice airport. I have family there who I haven't seen in a while. Maybe its time for a visit!

User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7874 times:

For the longest time, the Mad Dog's had been my favorite, but I moved on up to the 767's! hee hee! It's strange that as a big guy, I like small planes! I also like the 738WL. It is a beautiful bird indeed! I don't think the winglets look good on a 757, just on the 737's. I'm not terribly fond of the ERJ as it doesn't handle turbulence well. More bumpy than other planes I've flown during turbulence.

The pics are really nice, especially the ones of PHX during sunrise. It's beautiful! Great job! Keep up the good work!!

J.I. Tsui, American Advantage Member, United Mileage Plus (Premier)
User currently offlineTriple7man From Thailand, joined May 2005, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7850 times:
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Nice report with nice pics, especially of the KE and AA 777's. I'm glad you had a good experience on AA

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User currently offlineMonorail From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 631 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7828 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 3):
Are you any elite on AA or what?

 ashamed  No, unfortunately, I'm not. Perhaps some day in the future. I really haven't racked up that many miles with AA. I've only connected through DFW 4 times, ORD twice now. But I love SkyLink at DFW. Connecting there is a breeze.

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 4):
I have grown to love the chaos that is that airport.

 bigthumbsup  Granted I have not seen close to the worst O'Hare has to offer, but there's just something magnificient and exhilerating about flying in and out of that facility. Transiting through ORD reminds me why I love aviation and the culture of flying so much.

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 5):
It's strange that as a big guy, I like small planes!

I've been called crazy for actually enjoying flying on RJ's, even down to the much-maligned CR2's.

Thanks to everyone else for the feedback, I appreciate you all, these TRs are fun to write and I'm glad others enjoy reading them too!

Playoffs? Don't talk about playoffs!
User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7566 times:

Well it's 1 AM and I'm waiting for a page, so I decided to take a gander at your new TR! Very nice pictures indeed, and I LOVE the BA pin. Too bad it had to cost so much.

I really wish that I was flying more (Than a Piper.), but that's what I get. I suppose that I do miss PHX more than I thought I would. Or maybe I just miss WN.

Quoting Monorail (Reply 7):
I've been called crazy for actually enjoying flying on RJ's, even down to the much-maligned CR2's.

I'm fairly certain that I've accused you of being a bit daft with the fondness of CRJs. The 2s have windows below my butt, and the 7/9s seem even more cramped, although that may be an illusion. Maybe it's just because of how dreadfully tall I am.  Wink

I'm still looking into the 26th. Gotta finish up some classes and then I'll talk to the honorable people at BIL again.

Take care Ed!


User currently offlineMonorail From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 631 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7444 times:

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 8):
I LOVE the BA pin.

It's a beauty all right. I wore it home as soon as I bought it.

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 8):
Maybe it's just because of how dreadfully tall I am.

 laughing  Wow, Lucas, I don't know how you manage flying on those.
Anyway, I agree about your 7/9 point. To me it feels like the same size can but just 20/40 more sardines stuffed in it. I'm in the minority, but I'd take a 200 over a 900 any day.
Keep me posted on the 26th, and try not to get too bored of all those thrilling classes.

Playoffs? Don't talk about playoffs!
User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7180 times:

Quoting Monorail (Thread starter):
It strikes me funny when the captain announces “Will the flight attendant please prepare the cabin for arrival,” rather than the usual plural form.

I've seen it happen on flights like that where the crew will just straight up say the person's name, like "Amanda please prepare the cabin for arrival."

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 30071 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7053 times:

Nice TR and pics....cool BA pin!!!

Thanks for sharing


User currently offlineMonorail From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 631 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6999 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 10):
I've seen it happen on flights like that where the crew will just straight up say the person's name, like "Amanda please prepare the cabin for arrival."

I think it sounds better like that with the personal touch, especially in such tight, personal quarters inside an RJ, when there's only one person that the flight deck is talking to.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 11):
cool BA pin!!!

Thank you very much, again I had no idea the BA pin would get such a warm reception.  Silly

Playoffs? Don't talk about playoffs!
User currently offlineChi-town From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 972 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6510 times:

Great picture quality. Thanks for visiting the windy city.

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