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Escorted Off For Being Too Hot  
User currently offlineBAalltheway From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 19086 times:

Last Thursday I took a trip on American Eagle Toronto to Boston and back the same day on a business trip with 3 other colleagues of mine.

On the return trip to Toronto the airplane was stifling hot and the attendant told all she had addressed the problem while we waited. After a long, slow taxi, one of my colleagues complained to the attendant that it was still too hot and said he knew she had said she fixed it, but asked if she could try again.

The attendant got some attitude with him, he asked her, "What's with your attitude?" - she was silent and went off to the front, spoke with the pilot and we went to an areas, opened the doors, and my collegue was escorted off the airplane by security.

He is a bit of a whiner, but by no means irate...I can see the flight attendant having a bad day or something, but for the pilot to give the nod on delaying a flight for an hour for something like that??? They wouldn't let us off the plane, and we had to leave him there overnight. Travelling sure has changed!

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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 19072 times:

i thought based on your title, you were really really good looking....

User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 18907 times:

That's disgusting!!! I'm very much against suing "the American way", but this is where I'd probably call a lawyer.

Americans have gotten so paranoid that it's getting really ridiculous. I spent a lot of time in Boston this year with my girlfriend and her family and I couldn't believe how paranoid everyone was there.

Some of the things that I've heard on a daily basis:

1. Every guy with a turban was a terrorist
2. Anyone who is pissed off in an airplane is going to hijack it.
3. All people with an accent are illegals & working illegally.

etc. etc. etc.

Flying in USA after 2001 is BEYOND annoying. I try to avoid it like the plague. Too bad business takes me there quite often. Don't get me wrong, Americans are nice people but as a society this paranoia is getting out of control. Speaking of which. I saw 4 cops at Logan with M16s (or something similar)... Great, I felt safe, except all of them were standing in a circle, talking to each other, for about 30 minutes, not even glancing to see what's around them.

 twocents 



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User currently offlineKearnet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 18785 times:

Forgive me, but I can't help but wonder if your not telling us the full story. here's why:

1st. We're having an early winter this year, and as such it's been very cold in this part of the country (Which happens to be New London, NH / NH40 / roughly the half way point of your most likely flight path). So to have some saying it was too hot, makes me raise an eye brow in suspicion.


2nd. Since you were obviously still on the ground, I'm guessing that the air was either being supplied by an external A/C unit or the APU, Which if I remember correctly don't really have much in the way of variable temp controls (I may be wrong about that). Because of the cold weather I'd expect it the temperature to set to a hot setting, which would have eased once you got underway.

3rd. I can't help but feel the your friends request was a bit more dramatic for them to boot him off. Even if the F/A did say it was warm on the plane, I doubt a casual request to ease the temperature would have him kicked off.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17051 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 18422 times:

Seems that they take pax from a/c for everything now days.............

Quoting Vio (Reply 2):
Some of the things that I've heard on a daily basis:

1. Every guy with a turban was a terrorist
2. Anyone who is pissed off in an airplane is going to hijack it.
3. All people with an accent are illegals & working illegally.

Wow, if that is true, it is amazing.!!!



Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineMusapapaya From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 18368 times:



Quoting BAalltheway (Thread starter):
The attendant got some attitude with him, he asked her, "What's with your attitude?" - she was silent and went off to the front, spoke with the pilot and we went to an areas, opened the doors, and my collegue was escorted off the airplane by security.

I am curious what happened to your colleague later on? This is quite unbelivable to be true, but might be thats the American Way?



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User currently offlineRineanna From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 18161 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1):
i thought based on your title, you were really really good looking....

Thank God someone else thought that too! Big grin


User currently offlineAg92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 17994 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1):
i thought based on your title, you were really really good looking....

Thats what I thought. It reminded me of the WN incident

Quoting Vio (Reply 2):
1. Every guy with a turban was a terrorist

Oh yes, I remember the days when I would talk with my friend on a daily basis, and for some reason or another the police would be over


User currently offlineAirPortugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3577 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 17904 times:



Quoting Vio (Reply 2):
I saw 4 cops at Logan with M16s (or something similar)... Great, I felt safe, except all of them were standing in a circle, talking to each other, for about 30 minutes, not even glancing to see what's around them.

Rather typical...but theres more going on behind the scenes that you dont know...FYI only.



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User currently offlineFito28 From Venezuela, joined Nov 2007, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 17727 times:

My questions after reading all posts:

If i get on a plane and ask for something that looks unusual but reasonable, that makes me a thread for security?

So i go as a tourist to LA , Boston, Orlando or maybe NY, you will automatically think i'm an illegal worker and i want to blow up everything on my way?  Yeah sure

I think there are some limits for everything even if it was in the name of security. I've read a lot of FA's stories here... in any case i think airport controls are so strong now that when you get onboard there's a really really low chance that you are a thread.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 17584 times:

I don't understand why anyone is doubting the validity of this story given that it has been documented that an FA threw a toddler off a plane for repeatedly saying "bye bye plane".

Too many people on this forum believe the FA's can do no wrong. The truth is that in any group your going to have good people and idiots. Seems to me that this FA was an idiot.


User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 538 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 17446 times:



Quoting Pope (Reply 10):
Too many people on this forum believe the FA's can do no wrong. The truth is that in any group your going to have good people and idiots. Seems to me that this FA was an idiot.

I will generally agree with the captains decision no matter what. He has final say over an aircraft, and it should be that way. I do agree, more and more, flight attendants are dismissing the notion of service for one of power, and disagree with this, but without being there, I will ALWAYS agree with the decision of the capitan.



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 17394 times:



Quoting ATCtower (Reply 11):
I will generally agree with the captains decision no matter what. He has final say over an aircraft, and it should be that way. I do agree, more and more, flight attendants are dismissing the notion of service for one of power, and disagree with this, but without being there, I will ALWAYS agree with the decision of the capitan.

If the captain is only basing his decision on the biased view of the FA then agreeing with the captain means agreeing with the FA. It seem illogical that an erroneous decision rubber stamped by the captain (IF THAT IS WHAT IN FACT OCCURED) becomes ALWAYS correct just because it was endorsed by the captain. Again, captains can make mistakes. The gold bars don't give them infallibility.

I respect that the captain is and should be the last word on board his aircraft but that doesn't mean he's right.

There is a real danger when everything is branded a security threat just because of a disagreement with a crew member.


User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 538 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 17275 times:



Quoting Pope (Reply 12):
If the captain is only basing his decision on the biased view of the FA then agreeing with the captain means agreeing with the FA. It seem illogical that an erroneous decision rubber stamped by the captain (IF THAT IS WHAT IN FACT OCCURED) becomes ALWAYS correct just because it was endorsed by the captain. Again, captains can make mistakes. The gold bars don't give them infallibility

I never said the captains decision was the correct one. When it comes to the lives of the other 80 or so passengers in this case, he is the one ultimatly responsible when said passenger decides he wants to be in control of more than just the attitude of a flight attendant. I will be the first one to admit captains are not infallible.

Quoting Vio (Reply 2):
suing "the American way", but this is where I'd probably call a lawyer.

If things went the contract way and not the American way, I would wish you the best of luck with your lawyer. American Airlines contract of carriage 8-6B,D, and H states you may be removed from the aircraft for this type of behavior without recourse. All airlines have similar contract of carriage clauses when purchasing a ticket. I dont have too much faith in our justice system knowing I can sue and get millions because my McDonalds coffee is hot, but still...
 twocents 



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5154 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 17252 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1):
i thought based on your title, you were really really good looking....

Thats why i looked at this thread...

Quoting Vio (Reply 2):
I spent a lot of time in Boston this year with my girlfriend and her family and I couldn't believe how paranoid everyone was there.

Well, there is the problem right there...Boston  duck 



Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1776 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 17249 times:

Quoting Pope (Reply 10):
Too many people on this forum believe the FA's can do no wrong. The truth is that in any group your going to have good people and idiots. Seems to me that this FA was an idiot.

I think you've hit the nail on the head there Pope...........welcome to my respected member list


Lee

[Edited 2007-12-20 15:11:08]


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User currently offlineAA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 592 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 17186 times:
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For me, being an introvert, I just don't say anything. I keep my feelings to myself and not take the airline anymore! Simple. Doesn't cost much to keep my mouth shut. Just look "satisfied" even if you're not.


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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6129 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 17025 times:
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Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 16):
For me, being an introvert, I just don't say anything. I keep my feelings to myself



Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 16):
Just look "satisfied" even if you're not.

Doing the above is the high speed road for an ulcer. If something is not right, why should you not speak up?



MGGS
User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 16493 times:



Quoting Kearnet (Reply 3):
So to have some saying it was too hot, makes me raise an eye brow in suspicion.

Why? I was on an acey aircraft from PIT-ATL this past tuesday, and even though it was 25 F outside, it was still quite warm inside the cabin. Not unbearable, but I was starting to get uncomfortable. So being that it was in BOS, it was prolly quite a bit more chilly than 25F which means they were cranking up the heat trying to warm the aircraft up.

XJR



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User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 16006 times:

Typical US cabin crew. Who the hell do they think they are?

User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 14169 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1):
i thought based on your title, you were really really good looking....

I know this is a pretty old thread but this quote just made my day today. LMAO I thought the same freakin thing.



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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12391 times:

I would've asked to have the police meet me at the gate and waste everybody's time, and have the police get the captain to furnish his name for a formal complaint.

There's a nice discussion over on another forum about a self-important Comair F/A on JFK-DCA having the police called because some passenger was complaining about something. If you e-mail me I could dig up the thread

-a



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User currently offlineAY104 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 505 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12249 times:



Quoting Rineanna (Reply 6):
Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 1):
i thought based on your title, you were really really good looking....

Thank God someone else thought that too!

I think about a year ago, there was a posting about a SWA passenger, who was described as being too "hot", referring to what she was wearing, and she was also booted off the plane.
Ditto for me, I thought you were referring to your looks. Well maybe you should post a pic, and we can judge for ourselves!
Cheers,
AY104



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User currently offlineJM017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10357 times:



Quoting Pope (Reply 10):
I don't understand why anyone is doubting the validity of this story given that it has been documented that an FA threw a toddler off a plane for repeatedly saying "bye bye plane".

I didn't believe this story until I googled it. FA have used the heightened security since 9/11 to flag anyone as a threat or disruption. When you fly a US carrier, do not pick your nose.

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 16):
For me, being an introvert, I just don't say anything. I keep my feelings to myself and not take the airline anymore!

As a fellow introvert, this is my approach too. This and a letter to the airline and to any kind of media outlet that allows travelers to share their experiences. Say...Christopher Elliott at msnbc.com. Or the consumer watch at the local news outlets.

Quoting BAalltheway (Thread starter):
He is a bit of a whiner, but by no means irate...I can see the flight attendant having a bad day or something, but for the pilot to give the nod on delaying a flight for an hour for something like that??? They wouldn't let us off the plane, and we had to leave him there overnight. Travelling sure has changed!

Not the kind of "hot" I was expecting....



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User currently offlineDavidkunzVIE From Austria, joined Mar 2007, 431 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9016 times:



Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 16):
Doesn't cost much to keep my mouth shut. Just look "satisfied" even if you're not.

Uh?
Welcome to China? Or the 15th century?



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25 Planereality : A bit extreme that you paint 300,000,000 "Americans" with such a broad stroke, based on a date you went on in Boston. Good thing Americans don't do t
26 Type-Rated : Could have been a preemptive strike by the F/A, get the passenger off before he threatens to write a complaint letter to AA about her attitude.
27 TimePilot : My condolences ... I'm from Boston, but I haven't lived there since 2000. I like the city itself, but the people can be real jerks, especially civil
28 Semsem : I noticed that some flight attendants on US airlines are aggressive. On a CO flight the attendants were intimidating passengers to "sit down quickly."
29 Srbmod : Since this thread is one from 2007 that was bumped for no real reason, it is now being locked.
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